Notre Dame faculty calls Obama so-called accommodation “grave violation of religious freedom”

posted at 1:20 pm on February 13, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

The Obama White House tried defusing the controversy over its HHS mandate last Friday by revving up their PR machine to claim that shifting the communication responsibility from religious-organization employers to the insurance companies for the mandated no-cost contraception and abortifacient coverage would address the concerns of those whose religions forbid the use of such products and services.  Some of the usual suspects claimed to have been satisfied with the “accommodation,” such as E. J. Dionne, but for the most part, those arguments fell on deaf ears.  The Wall Street Journal reports that 48 hours after the White House announcement — made without any consultation with those objecting to the HHS mandate — Roman Catholic churches across the nation echoed with blasts from the pulpit over the arrogance of Obama’s action:

At masses across the country Sunday, Roman Catholic priests blasted the Obama administration’s compromise on contraceptive insurance coverage, a sign the White House’s backtrack late last week did little to defuse the controversy. …

At St. Brendan Church in San Francisco, the Rev. Michael Quinn compared the church’s opposition to the contraceptive rules to the civil-rights fight waged by 1950s activist Rosa Parks, who refused to give her seat up to a white man on a bus. “I believe this is our Rosa Parks moment,” Father Quinn told more than 200 parishioners on Sunday. “This is our moment to say this is wrong.”

Archbishop Thomas Wenski of Miami said that while he appreciated Mr. Obama’s attempt to strike a compromise, it doesn’t go far enough.

“A legislative remedy to this overreaching and unprecedented incursion of state power into the domain of religious freedom and the rights of conscience is still necessary,” he said in a statement.

“By what authority does the President of the United States seek to impose this immoral policy?” Bishop Thomas J. Tobin of Providence, R.I., asked in a statement. “This is the United States, not North Korea.”

Three years ago, Notre Dame University provided Obama a platform to speak to Catholics and awarded him an honorary degree.  Yesterday, the faculty at the Catholic university — which would be subject to the mandate — gave him the third degree instead, excoriating Obama for a “grave violation of religious freedom”:

Twenty-five Notre Dame faculty members–led by the university’s top ethics expert, and including some of the school’s most eminent scholars–have signed a statement declaring that President Barack Obama’s latest version of his administration’s mandate that all health insurance plans in the United States must cover sterilizations and all FDA-approved contraceptives, including those that cause abortions, is “a grave violation of religious freedom and cannot stand.”

The statement—put out on the letterhead of the University of Notre Dame Law School–is also signed by leading scholars from other major American colleges and universities, including Princeton, Harvard, Stanford, Georgetown, Brigham Young, Yeshiva and Wheaton College.

Prof. Carter Snead, a professor of law at Notre Dame, was one of the lead organizers of the statement, which was published on his official law school letterhead. Notre Dame’s top ethics expert, Snead serves as director of the university’s Center for Ethics and Culture, a position to which he was appointed by Father John Jenkins, the president of Notre Dame.

In 2009, Father Jenkins awarded President Barack Obama an honorary Notre Dame law degree. …

“This so-called ‘accommodation’ changes nothing of moral substance and fails to remove the assault on religious liberty and the rights of conscience which gave rise to the controversy,” they said.  “It is certainly no compromise.  The reason for the original bipartisan uproar was the administration’s insistence that religious employers, be they institutions or individuals, provide insurance that covered services they regard as gravely immoral and unjust.  Under the new rule, the government still coerces religious institutions and individuals to purchase insurance policies that include the very same services.”

I’d hate to tell Notre Dame I told you so, but in fact a number of Catholics, myself included, did warn Notre Dame in 2009 about inviting Obama to deliver that commencement speech.  My objection was specific to the honorary law degree Notre Dame awarded Obama for that appearance, a jarring decision given Obama’s previous attacks on the Catholic Church’s positions on life, especially in the Illinois Senate.  Now the same law school that awarded Obama a law school degree is shocked, shocked to find that Obama thinks he can arrogate to himself the power to dictate to religious organizations that they have to facilitate actions which are forbidden by their core doctrinal values.

The Live Free or Die State is also considering a statement opposing Obama’s arrogance, too:

New Hampshire’s House Republicans plan to take on the Obama administration’s Department of Health and Human Services Monday by passing a non-binding resolution condemning the department’s new rule mandating religious institutions provide health coverage that includes free birth control.

NH Journal has learned House Speaker William O’Brien, who identifies himself as a constitutionalist, is incensed at the Obama rule because he believes it violates the First Amendment to the Constitution.

House Resolution 29 “calls upon the United States Department of Health and Human Services to cease its unconstitutional course of action, and to rescind this rule immediately; and the House further calls upon the members of New Hampshire’s congressional delegation to undertake whatever actions are necessary to ensure that this goal is promptly achieved.”

If the White House thought they had defused the situation on Friday, they were very much mistaken.  The same political problem exists today, only with the extra dollop of arrogance from an administration that calculated an “accommodation” without bothering to consult their erstwhile allies in the Catholic Church and its organizations.


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The photo is like fishing tips from Ed.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 1:23 PM

“Plan B is no different that Plan A.”

From my parish priest this Sunday.

Kraken on February 13, 2012 at 1:23 PM

bluegill?

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Three years ago, Notre Dame University provided Obama a platform to speak to Catholics and awarded him an honorary degree.

My first thought after reading the headline. I think its the other Notre Dame.

BobMbx on February 13, 2012 at 1:25 PM

But, let’s schedule him for our next commencement.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 13, 2012 at 1:26 PM

If the White House thought they had defused the situation on Friday, they were very much mistaken. The same political problem exists today, only with the extra dollop of arrogance from an administration that calculated an “accommodation” without bothering to consult their erstwhile allies in the Catholic Church and its organizations.

Obama to United States Conference of Catholic Bishops: What are you going to do about it?

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 1:26 PM

The no authority, authority President.

Speakup on February 13, 2012 at 1:26 PM

All Hail to Old Notre Dame
Ring out the echoes praising her name!!!

Natebo on February 13, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Maybe the can revoke the honorary law degree and replace it with an honorary divinity degree.

That will make everything better.

NoDonkey on February 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Obama: Resident Evil…

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Who cares anymore, they’ll still vote for the moron.

JPeterman on February 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Too late, Notre Dame….remember 2009? That Honorary Degree thingie…

Sorry, but it is people and institutions such as yours that brought this Obamanation to the United States.

Sooo afraid of being called “racist” that you were more than willing to sell out your Country…

Pitiful.

coldwarrior on February 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM

0 can’t walk this back. He see’s it as good thing however, he believes the 40% or so of Catholics who don’t care, are worth the loss of the other %.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Don’t back down – please don’t back down.

GG – not a Catholic but with them all the way on this one.

gophergirl on February 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM

We put the people who hired Gerry Faust in charge of coordinating this with the Obama “administration”.

NoDonkey on February 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM

If the White House thought they had defused the situation on Friday, they were very much mistaken.

Friday afternoon dumps generally work in getting stuff flushed through the news cycle by Monday. Note to the Obama administration- If you thought that dumping on religious organizations (and by extension churches) on a Friday and think it isn’t going to come up on Sunday morning, then you really don’t understand people of faith. If anything you only fanned the flames by coming up with a stupid and false “accomodation” on Friday with plenty of time for folks to think about it before gathering for worship on Sunday. The abrupt change of heart by the Catholic bishops has got to be a result of angry Catholics not a change to their left-leaning bias.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:29 PM

I’d hate to tell Notre Dame I told you so, but…

I don’t. Hey Notre Dame, I told you so.

Oooh, that felt good.

rogaineguy on February 13, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Maybe they should un-award him that degree.

Bitter Clinger on February 13, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I read that ND’s president supported the “compromise” so, regrettably, the divide Catholics strategy appears to be working.

MajorKong on February 13, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Our priest spoke about it and there was a letter from Cardinal George in the bulletin.

Bill C on February 13, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Archbishop Thomas Wenski of Miami said that while he appreciated Mr. Obama’s attempt to strike a compromise, it doesn’t go far enough.

Wait. This sort of implies there IS a compromise here somewhere.

Really, Archbishop? Really?

But maybe I’m being too harsh. He seems to be saying some strong stuff, but…

D@mn, some of us are out here defending the battlements. Please don’t surrender.

Kraken on February 13, 2012 at 1:32 PM

Who cares anymore, they’ll still vote for the moron.

JPeterman on February 13, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Yep.

rogaineguy on February 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM

The abrupt change of heart by the Catholic bishops has got to be a result of angry Catholics not a change to their left-leaning bias.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Not sure what abrupt change of heart you are referring to. But it is not like the Bishops have any choice on the matter. They cannot be part of what the consider an intrinsic evil without a fight to the end.

neuquenguy on February 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM

0 can’t walk this back. He see’s it as good thing however, he believes the 40% or so of Catholics who don’t care, are worth the loss of the other %.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM

That’s fine. It is a good hill for him to die on(metaphorically speaking).

a capella on February 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Don’t back down – please don’t back down.

GG – not a Catholic but with them all the way on this one.

gophergirl on February 13, 2012 at 1:28 PM

As I commented on another thread, this isn’t a Catholic thing. It is a First Amendment thing. Baptists are also opposed because the mandate includes the requirement to provide self-abortion drugs (the morning after pill). It also is a chilling power grab.

If the government can tell churches that they must do something they (the churches) consider immoral on the basis of equal treatment under the law. What is to keep that same government from going back to the Catholics and telling them they have to employ females as priests in the name of equal opportunity. What is to prevent them from telling all faiths that they must ordain and employ practicing homosexuals as an EEOC issue? Again, contraception is the shiny thing that Obama hopes gets all the focus but his agenda and motives are much more sinister and evil than just contraception.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The breathtakingly gay pastor at my church refused to read the letter. He referred to it disdainfully, sneering that it was printed in the bulletin, and since the school took great pains teaching us all to read, he wouldn’t read aloud what we can read for ourselves.

The man is a weasel, and this particular church is an abomination. I only go there because I have to take my father.

Kensington on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

The Catholic Church must be racist.

/s

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Perhaps Notre Dame should tell Depaul, Fordham and Boston College where the faculty and employees are offered health insurance including contraception and then tell the bishops. This principle is so highly valued by the Church that only 77% of Catholic law schools violate it. Phony political outrage.

plewis on February 13, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Obama: “How many divisions does Notre Dame have?”

Drained Brain on February 13, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s latest sermon on CD: “Why Is God A Racist?”

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Kensington on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

You and your father just made my daily prayer list. I’ll even throw in your priest for what it’s worth.

Kraken on February 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

a capella on February 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Fine with me also. Kinda surprised that made it thru the mill. Must be because of the space skip.: )

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 1:38 PM

Not sure what abrupt change of heart you are referring to. But it is not like the Bishops have any choice on the matter. They cannot be part of what the consider an intrinsic evil without a fight to the end.

neuquenguy on February 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Friday afternoon they were “cautiously optimistic” about the accomodation and against it by Sunday. That change had to come from somewhere. And if you think Bishops can’t be part of intrinsic evil then you’re ignoring the history of the Church at crucial times not the least of which is how the church dealt with evil in WWII Germany or for that matter the way they dealt with pedophiles within the Catholic clergy.

It is fully possible that these left-leaning Bishops who view wealth redistribution as “social justice” would sit by and let Obama enforce this attack on the Constitution. It is the rank-and-file faithful putting a spine in the Bishops.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Our priest at Mass on Sunday read a letter from our bishop and then went on to condemn this move by the Obama administration regime. And this is in the blue state of New Jersey.

I called my (Dem) Congressman today to ask his position. His aide told me that he had not yet formulated his position. I told her in very clear terms what I thought of this policy, and I asked her to request that the Congressman add his voice to those opposing the policy.

Obama must be stopped. I do not care who the Republican candidate is, I will vote for him or her.

DCGamer on February 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM

So Notre Dame gets in bed with the devil, then act shocked when they get fu#%ed?
Obama and the Dem party was all well and good as long as they were just anti-semite, but now that Catholicism gets thrown under the bus too they’re outraged?

I’d love to sit back and tsk tsk them because they should have seen it coming – he was never transparent about his disregard for unborn life – but I can’t. I will speak up for them, fight for them, welcome them to the party and hope a little bit of reality slips in and they realize just how far one they have become in the dalliances with liberalism.

Why? Because, by God, I want someone left to speak out when they come for me…

WhaleBellied on February 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Oh, and this BS about Obama compromising IS working. I pointed out to my father that the priest refused to read the letter, and my father said it didn’t matter because Obama compromised. He saw it on the news, and therefore it was true. Obama compromised, and the issue is settled.

Kensington on February 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM

As I commented on another thread, this isn’t a Catholic thing. It is a First Amendment thing. Baptists are also opposed because the mandate includes the requirement to provide self-abortion drugs (the morning after pill). It also is a chilling power grab.

If the government can tell churches that they must do something they (the churches) consider immoral on the basis of equal treatment under the law. What is to keep that same government from going back to the Catholics and telling them they have to employ females as priests in the name of equal opportunity. What is to prevent them from telling all faiths that they must ordain and employ practicing homosexuals as an EEOC issue? Again, contraception is the shiny thing that Obama hopes gets all the focus but his agenda and motives are much more sinister and evil than just contraception.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Well said. And very much true.

Bitter Clinger on February 13, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Notre Dame a Catholic university- Dont make me laugh.

Thicklugdonkey on February 13, 2012 at 1:41 PM

The abrupt change of heart by the Catholic bishops has got to be a result of angry Catholics not a change to their left-leaning bias.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:29 PM

No, there never was a change of heart. I never liked my chuch going along with the plan, but at no time did they ever back the support of contraception. In anything I’ve heard in the pews for the last 50 years, contraception has never been backed.

Both sides lost sight of the phrase: In for a penny, in for a pound.

Thanks Obama. You’ve made Church fun again.

itsspideyman on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Watch out Pelosi… it’s gonna get hot.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/02/catholic-bishop-warns-pelosi-biden-sebelius-mccaskill-judgement-day-is-coming/

MontanaMmmm on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

So why aren’t Catholics like Pelosi, Sebelius, and Biden excommunicated for sins against humanity?

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

MontanaMmmm on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Ironically, Jenky is a Notre Dame alum and member of the religious order that runs Notre Dame.

blammm on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

When they came for my rights with obamcare, the catholics said nothing, even assisted him/them taking my freedoms. when they came for the catholics, well, i said nothing. they are getting what the asked for. screw them. they sold me out for obamacare. they can go to hell.

t8stlikchkn on February 13, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I predicted Obama would double and triple down, because his narcissism won’t allow him to reverse course. I am Catholic and I see quite a few apolitical Catholics waking up because of this.

This assault on religious freedom will hurt Obama. It will be beyond hilarious if he loses a few toss up states and re-election because of this.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 13, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I’d love to sit back and tsk tsk them because they should have seen it coming – he was never transparent about his disregard for unborn life – but I can’t. I will speak up for them, fight for them, welcome them to the party and hope a little bit of reality slips in and they realize just how far one they have become in the dalliances with liberalism.

FIFM :)

WhaleBellied on February 13, 2012 at 1:43 PM

I love that New Hampshire resolution. We should try to get all the state legislatures to pass similar ones. This would be great in Pennsylvania.

rockmom on February 13, 2012 at 1:43 PM

MontanaMmmm on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Well, better late than never!!! Come on bishops!! Stop the SCANDAL!!!

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 1:33 PM

I haven’t read the act, but if it doesn’t protect the rights of individuals, and only those organizations of a religious nature, it isn’t enough. If I’m a Catholic owner of a small restaurant chain, etc…, I still shouldn’t have to pay for people’s contraception/abortion.

pannw on February 13, 2012 at 1:44 PM

As I commented on another thread, this isn’t a Catholic thing. It is a First Amendment thing. Baptists are also opposed because the mandate includes the requirement to provide self-abortion drugs (the morning after pill). It also is a chilling power grab.

If the government can tell churches that they must do something they (the churches) consider immoral on the basis of equal treatment under the law. What is to keep that same government from going back to the Catholics and telling them they have to employ females as priests in the name of equal opportunity. What is to prevent them from telling all faiths that they must ordain and employ practicing homosexuals as an EEOC issue? Again, contraception is the shiny thing that Obama hopes gets all the focus but his agenda and motives are much more sinister and evil than just contraception.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Exactly!

gophergirl on February 13, 2012 at 1:44 PM

So why aren’t Catholics like Pelosi, Sebelius, and Biden excommunicated for sins against humanity?

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

It really depends on how excommunication is accomplished. Most people seem to think that it’s something imposed on you by the church, but lately I’ve seen that it’s something that happens by one’s one actions, in which case Pelosi, Biden, et al have already excommunicated themselves.

Of course, since they keep showing up at church, it’s not a terribly impressive status if that’s the way it happens.

Kensington on February 13, 2012 at 1:45 PM

“They have planted the wind

and will harvest the whirlwind.”

txmomof6 on February 13, 2012 at 1:46 PM

So why aren’t Catholics like Pelosi, Sebelius, and Biden excommunicated for sins against humanity?

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Good question, I’m not catholic but my church’s president wrote a letter strongly against this attack on liberty.

MontanaMmmm on February 13, 2012 at 1:46 PM

As I commented on another thread, this isn’t a Catholic thing. It is a First Amendment thing. Baptists are also opposed because the mandate includes the requirement to provide self-abortion drugs (the morning after pill). It also is a chilling power grab.

If the government can tell churches that they must do something they (the churches) consider immoral on the basis of equal treatment under the law. What is to keep that same government from going back to the Catholics and telling them they have to employ females as priests in the name of equal opportunity. What is to prevent them from telling all faiths that they must ordain and employ practicing homosexuals as an EEOC issue? Again, contraception is the shiny thing that Obama hopes gets all the focus but his agenda and motives are much more sinister and evil than just contraception.

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Don’t forget the Coup de gras. Must provide abortion services.

WisRich on February 13, 2012 at 1:47 PM

“grave violation of religious freedom”

Help us overturn Obamacare then. It is a violation of our freedom in general.

FloatingRock on February 13, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Has Obama ever done anything to muslims/mosques which goes against islamic beliefs ?

burrata on February 13, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Now the same law school that awarded Obama a law school degree is shocked, shocked to find that Obama thinks he can arrogate to himself the power to dictate to religious organizations that they have to facilitate actions which are forbidden by their core doctrinal values.

I, too, am Catholic, and I say shame, shame, shame on us.

As others in comments and posts, here and in other blogs, have noted, Catholics should have repudiated en masse Obama’s candidacy on general grounds of human freedom and dignity.

Unfortunately, far too many of my co-religionists believe that you can have a socialist economy and government and still enjoy fundamental freedoms.

Unfortunately, again, most of them have no clue about the history of continental Europe (which is largely Catholic), or about the sometimes violent anti-clerical impulses that formed the nursery of socialism to begin with.

Compassion for, and charity towards, the less fortunate are qualities of a society that is human–and in that light Liberterianism can never be the basis of any humane society. But giving the state the political and fiscal authority to oversee those qualities and compel them is a recipe for corruption and totalitarianism.

Ed Snyder on February 13, 2012 at 1:52 PM

As I commented on another thread, this isn’t a Catholic thing. It is a First Amendment thing

yes it is. exactly. the catholic hierarchy at the time of choosing, late 09 thru mar 10, chose to SUPPORT to dark side. they chose wrong. they assisted in signing my rights away. for THAT, all their belly-aching now is hollow. next time the time for choosing comes, maybe they will choose more wisely, maybe not, by i for one, dont give a crap. they are dead to me. i will fight to restore their rights, their religious freedom, any all of our freedoms, stolen by obama nd the ACA, but they are dead to me. they actually are quite sickening. and i have nothing against catholics. but their leaders are pathetic. quislings.

t8stlikchkn on February 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Lifelong Catholic here: everyone should be calling, calling, calling their reps and senators of both parties. MSM is trying to spin that WH accommodation took air out of the balloon, diffused the issue.

As to the Bishops: grow a spine, speak loudly, and do something constructive, likely publicly ex-communicating Biden, Pelosi and that whore Sister Carole Judas Escariot Keehan.

As to everyone: be wary of these Bishops. They are not to be trusted. As soon as you get out on a limb with them, they will saw it off behind you. There are too many in the clergy that are Democrats first, and they still believe in all the social justice crap, too stupid to learn that capitalism is the greatest povery eradication engine in world history.

matthew8787 on February 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Maybe they should un-award him that degree.

Bitter Clinger on February 13, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Yeah, that will happen after the Nobel Peace Prize committee gets its $1.4 million back.

Fallon on February 13, 2012 at 1:53 PM

When they came for the gypsies, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a gypsy. When they came for the homosexuals, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a homosexual. When they came for the Jews, I said nothing, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I said nothing, because I wasn’t a Catholic……then they came for me, and there was no one left to defend me

t8stlikchkn on February 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM

So long as Romney doesn’t speak out against all of this, he doesn’t deserve the nomination, forget the presidency.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2012 at 1:55 PM

The liberal Notre Dame slept with the devil and are now surprised that the devil is trying to destroy it. Liberal Catholic Democrats have long ignored Church teachings and there were no consequences. Time for aiding and abetting anti-Christian politicians is gone. Ex-communicate these so called Catholics and get serious about Church teachings. Otherwise, being a Catholic means nothing if what it is all about means nothing.

katieanne on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

The photo is like fishing tips from Ed.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I have to admit, I don’t know what that thing in the picture is, and I’m a bit afraid to ask.

wearyman on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

So why aren’t Catholics like Pelosi, Sebelius, and Biden excommunicated for sins against humanity?

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I think this is one of the fundamental differences between Catholicism and Protestantism. In a Protestant Church you can enforce a single vision of the faith, kick out those people who you don’t like, or leave the congregation yourself and start a new church based on a set of principals that you and a few others hold dear. In the Pretestantism you don’t have a Pope, you have a thousand popes with more being created every year.

For Catholics the decision to kick someone out is a grave and serious one. I can only liken it to kicking someone out of your family. In fact, I won’t say “liken” in the very real sense it IS kicking someone out of the family.

So while Pelosi, Biden, etc. are embarrassments to us and quite frankly many of us would like to kick them out, it’s not going to happen any time soon.

I think most of us would be satistified if they stopped coming to family gatherings and changed their names.

PackerBronco on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

One more for the road, got to go to work.

http://www.therightscoop.com/george-will-on-hhs-mandate-it-serves-the-catholic-bishops-right/

MontanaMmmm on February 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Not a “compromise” by Obama but a “conpromise” which is a “con” disguised as a “promise” of respect of religious liberty. Call his behavior what it is = Tyrannical

bobnox on February 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

So Notre Dame gets in bed with the devil…

WhaleBellied on February 13, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Notre Dame is not alone in that bed

Fallon on February 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

Somewhat related to the topic at hand (suprised I haven’t seen this on HotAir yet).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099708/Buffy-Vampire-Slayer-decides-abortion-having-drunken-unprotected-sex-party.html

D***it, Joss. It’s bad enough when you made the boo-hoo-native-Americans-white-guilt Buffy episode. Now this?

DethMetalCookieMonst on February 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

The so called accommodation is a sham anyway, he doesn’t have the authority to do it. Ocare is law and he just can’t change parts of it as he deems fit at anytime he needs a political boost.

Kissmygrits on February 13, 2012 at 1:57 PM

I have to admit, I don’t know what that thing in the picture is, and I’m a bit afraid to ask.

wearyman on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

I’ve been afraid to ask too. I think I know what it is but I don’t know if I want it confirmed.

gophergirl on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

As an ND grad[67], I was livid back during the Obama speech fiasco,took them out of my will and cancelled my season football tickets as well as calls and emails. Well, there is an old Irish saying,,You shake winds with the devil, you may not get your hand back. The Church has no one to blame but themselves,,,,Rush is speaking about it now. As for the faculty,,yeah,,,25 profs out of 1400,,,,real good showing. The Church has gone down the road of social justice for too long and it will be doomed as a result,,as well as the rest of the country. So sad and so predictable. Nobody knows history.

retiredeagle on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

“I believe this is our Rosa Parks moment,” Father Quinn told more than 200 parishioners on Sunday. “This is our moment to say this is wrong.”

No. It is your moment to say the all the First Amendment hating Obama fascist must go. This is not the time for a fly swatter. It is the time for a Sledge Hammer.

VorDaj on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

A bit late ND, dontcha think?

So why aren’t Catholics like Pelosi, Sebelius, and Biden excommunicated for sins against humanity?

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

The same reason the RCC preaches a different message in the US than it does in Latin America… cash.

It can’t afford to alienate millions of American Catholics… so it compromises.

Disclosure: I’m an ex-RC.

I attended RC school and taught Religious Education classes. When I was young, it was commonly and openly taught that missing mass, masturbating, supporting abortion in any way, using and form ofg contraception, participating in sex outside of marriage meant personal excommunication and a grave (mortal) sin which required confession, penance and absolution.

They don’t dare stand up and preach that in America anymore. Mind you, I don’t believe that theology any longer… but from a purely objective POV, I have to ask why they don’t preach those things (in America) as they once did… and I can only conclude it must be the money.

The RCC has never been shy about openly stating its threats of “grave sin” until about 1980.

mankai on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Martha, the Fox idiot, kept arguing Obama’s side, until the good cardinal gave her the lesson of all, paraphrased “the First Amendment also contains the press’ freedom of speech; one day they could tell you what to say/not to say on your show”.

Only then did the twit wake up.

If this is not stopped Obama could say soon “As of now no more pork consumption because it offends the Muslims and some Jews”.

p.s. he wants to give the Muslim Brotherhood 8 billion of your tax money, especially now that they unite with Al Qauida.

What times, what a country!

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

HA!! Rosa freakin’ Parks, right back in your faces, Libs! High fives for the Rev. Michael Quinn, of San Francisco, no less.

ardenenoch on February 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

The audacity of hope was for his campaign
Tyranny, thuggery and demonization are for his reign
His candidacy was rather like that of a Henry Houdini
His presidency is far more like that of a Benito Mussolini

Although he tries to slip it all in under another guise
To all his fascist action most foul we must still be wise
In spite of all the Houdini lies
Dancing in Obama’s evermore Mussolini eyes!

VorDaj on February 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

I’ve been afraid to ask too. I think I know what it is but I don’t know if I want it confirmed.

gophergirl on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

It’s an Obama virus magnified 1,000,000 times.

darwin on February 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

wearyman on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

http://thecollegianur.com/2009/09/10/lets-talk-about-sex-baby-2/8974/

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

No. It is your moment to say the all the First Amendment hating Obama fascist must go. This is not the time for a fly swatter. It is the time for a Sledge Hammer.

VorDaj on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

Absolutely. So far Romney has said little.

Schadenfreude on February 13, 2012 at 2:01 PM

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/American-Catholicism-s-Pact-With-the-Devil

Rush spoke about this article today. Incredible read and as a Catholic spoke more to me in the time I read it than in all the years of attending church

FLconservative on February 13, 2012 at 2:03 PM

wearyman on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

One piece of advice for both you and GG. Do not google iud and then hit images.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 2:03 PM

I remember Obama speaking at a Catholic University and they covered up a religous symbol behind him. When he went to the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul no islamic symbols were covered over. That place was once a Christian church and was converted to a Mosque. I guess freedom of religon only applies if one is a muslim(like his dad and stepdad and maybe, just maybe, like the President himself.

Thicklugdonkey on February 13, 2012 at 2:03 PM

It’s an Obama virus magnified 1,000,000 times.

darwin on February 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Or this. LOL.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Aside: I find it historically ironic that the RCC is screaming about religious liberty.

I support their position on this issue, but come on. Anybody ever read the Papal decrees in regard to religious liberty? Pius IX taught that it was a sin for Catholics not to believe that the RCC should be “the religion of the state to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.” Gregory XVI favored book burning and damned liberty of the press.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

I hope they realize the popes were wrong on those matters of faith.

mankai on February 13, 2012 at 2:04 PM

I don’t understand why this stance isn’t impacting Obama approval or likeability numbers. It seems like this is a pretty big slip of the mask. yet no one cares, because you know Romney is too rich and Santorum has too many kids.

earlgrey133 on February 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM

What the hell is that thing in the picture??..some kind of mechanical shrimp??

Mimzey on February 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Kensington on February 13, 2012 at 1:45 PM

You’re correct Kensington. Self-excommunication occurs latae sententiae for Catholic politicians who advocate or vote for legislation legalizing or promoting abortion. They have excommunicated themselves and no further action is required by the Church. When the show up to Mass and receive communion they are not in the state of grace required to receive it and to receive the Eucharist without sanctifying grace in your soul profanes the Eucharist in the most grievous manner. The issue isn’t whether they’ve been excommunicated, they have. It’s that I wish priests and bishops would publicly refuse them the Eucharist.

Trafalgar on February 13, 2012 at 2:05 PM

The press as well as many average joes keep referring to this as a Catholic thing. We need to spread the word that it is not just Catholics that are impacted by this.

* Islam teaches that life begins at conception and is created by God. The unborn child has certain rights such as the right to care, protection and life. Abortion on any grounds is forbidden in the Islamic holy book Al’Quran

* Orthodox Churches forbid abortion as going against the commandment ‘Thou shalt not kill’.

* The Torah or Jewish law forbids the taking of innocent life and stresses that human beings are made in the image of God.

* Hindu scriptures refer to abortion as garha-batta (womb killing) and the Atharva Veda describes abortionists as the greatest of sinners.

The analogy I have been using with my liberal friends is that this mandate is the same as a government mandate to add bacon to all religious school menus. Imagine the uproar from Muslims and the left if that were true…

TheLoudTalker on February 13, 2012 at 2:07 PM

Oh what a disgrace if such a despicable and base man, who hates America and it’s constitution and all Christians and all Jews, and worships himself, should be allowed to assault a people which has the faith of omnipotent God! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm us if we do not promptly and fully aid those who’s conscience is being brutalized and murdered because they profess the Roman Catholic religion! Let those who have been accustomed unjustly to wage private warfare against other of the faithful now all unite and go against the tyrant in a Holy Crusade and end with total victory in November!

Let those who have been in service of this tyrant against their own brothers and sisters now fight in a proper way against this tryant. Let those who have been wearing themselves out in both body and soul in vain attempt to appease him now labor for glorious honor against him. Behold! On the one side will be the completely destroyed tyrant, on the other the fierce and righteous protectors of the Constitution and Christianity. On the one side will be the destroyed enemy of the Lord, on the other, his friends who will shout at the tyrant as they destroy him in November, “It is the will of the Founding Fathers!”, “It is the will of the Founding Fathers!, and “It is the will of God! It is the will of God!”

RasThavas on February 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

I have to admit, I don’t know what that thing in the picture is, and I’m a bit afraid to ask.

wearyman on February 13, 2012 at 1:56 PM

Obama Hussein uses that to apply his mascara

burrata on February 13, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Of course the Catholic Church is against birth control! Those choir boys don’t magically reproduce themselves!

inthemiddle on February 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Obama went out of his way to pick a fight with the Catholic church before an election in which he counts on Hispanics to vote for him.

This does not compute.

Obama’s blood lust to kill babies must be up.

jimw on February 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM

One piece of advice for both you and GG. Do not google iud and then hit images.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Well that wasn’t what I was thinking it was so that’s better I guess.

gophergirl on February 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM

The RCC has never been shy about openly stating its threats of “grave sin” until about 1980.

mankai on February 13, 2012 at 1:58 PM

First of all the Church in its writings and documents has been consisten about everything you’ve spoken of and it still is to this day.

Regarding preaching about it: that’s a different matter. But that is going to depend a lot on the parish priest. I’ve had all kinds: from the timid glad-handers to no-nonsense preachers. You also have problems with religious ed directors who know less about the faith than I do.

I’ve seen a lot of this changing over the past 15 years. It was really bad imho in the late 80′s and early 90′s, but the Vatican II dinosaurs are dying out and being replaced by young priests who are really solid and devouted to traditional church teaching. One of these may be my son who is currently at the seminary.

But, as you say, you’re an ex-RC’er, so you probably wouldn’t know about all of these things.

PackerBronco on February 13, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Schaden: Romney is speaking about this in every appearance, starting all the way back to his victory in the Nevada caucus on February 4.

matthew8787 on February 13, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Why do you keep showing JugEars dental retainer?
Is that why his mouth goes like it does?

KOOLAID2 on February 13, 2012 at 2:11 PM

So why aren’t Catholics like Pelosi, Sebelius, and Biden excommunicated for sins against humanity?

Happy Nomad on February 13, 2012 at 1:42 PM

The same reason the RCC preaches a different message in the US than it does in Latin America… cash.

Not every Catholic believes that taking birth control pills amounts to a sin against humanity. Perhaps that was true 2000 years ago when the world population was insignificant, but not so today.

bayam on February 13, 2012 at 2:12 PM

They sold their souls long ago. They’re now just complaining about the price.

mr.blacksheep on February 13, 2012 at 2:13 PM

http://ricochet.com/main-feed/American-Catholicism-s-Pact-With-the-Devil

Rush spoke about this article today. Incredible read and as a Catholic spoke more to me in the time I read it than in all the years of attending church

FLconservative on February 13, 2012 at 2:03 PM

Yup…

Seven Percent Solution on February 13, 2012 at 2:13 PM

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