Democratic hypocrisy on religious liberty

posted at 7:45 pm on February 13, 2012 by Karl

Juicebox mafioso Matt Yglesias tweeted: “Newfound GOP enthusiasm for religious exemptions from generally applicable laws seems dangerously close to sharia.” There is an interesting point there, although Yglesias manages to get it almost completely backward.

He ought to know he went astray, based on his very next tweet directing readers to Justice Scalia’s opinion in Employment Division v. Smith, which ruled that while states have the power to accommodate otherwise illegal acts done in pursuit of religious beliefs, they are not required to do so. Yglesias failed to mention the Smith decision prompted calls for a statutory restoration of prior case law, which was generally understood to require various exemptions for religious liberty. Smith was decided in 1990, so the enthusiasm for religious exemptions is not “newfound.”

Nor was the enthusiasm for religious exemptions limited to the GOP. The Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) was sponsored in the House by then-Rep. Chuck Schumer, who is smart enough to be “diplomatic ” about the HHS mandate requiring Catholic institutions to insure its employees for birth-control, abortifacients and sterilization. RFRA’s 170 cosponsors included not only Republicans like Newt Gingrich and Bob Dornan, but also Dems like Nancy Pelosi (who deems religious freedom an “excuse” regarding the HHS exemption), Lynn Woolsey and Rosa DeLauro, all vocal defenders of the HHS mandate. RFRA was sponsored in the Senate by no less than Ted Kennedy; its cosponsors included not only Republicans, but also current mandate supporters like Harry Reid, Barbara Boxer and Patty Murray. RFRA passed the House unanimously and the Senate 97- 3 and was signed into law by Bill Clinton.

In short, if you are looking for the people who have had a sudden conversion on the issue of legal exemptions for religious freedom, you will be finding them overwhelmingly on the Democrat side of the aisle.

The interesting point Yglesias raises in his backward, partisan way is whether conservatives should be as keen on religious exemptions from general laws as they have been. Although Yglesias no doubt treats the prospect of sharia law as a phantasmagorical boogeyman, the experience of European countries trying to assimilate growing Muslim populations demonstrates the potentially long and fractious road America may face on this front. It might be a better long-term solution for the Catholic Church to recognize that its religious liberty is best protected when everyone’s liberty is protected — in this case, by supporting the overall repeal of Obamacare.

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Love the photo of obama standing next to his buddy- the patron of a partial-birth abortionist. *partial-birth abortion was Tiller the killer’s ‘specialty’.*

annoyinglittletwerp on February 13, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Forgot the ///tag.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 13, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Good link from Mark Levin to use as a rally point.

http://www.foramerica.org/

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Religion never was a Marxist strong point. Unless it was zealot devotion to Government over Freedom.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Yet, Old Horseface (Kathleen Sebelius), Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry and dozens of other Democrats pretend to be Catholics.

Sebelius, Pelosi and Hank Paulson all graduated from Trinity University, a small Catholic college in DC. That alone should be enough to close the place permanently.

bw222 on February 13, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Kathleen Sebeliurs should be hauled before the House of Rep.’s and charges of impeachment presented.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 13, 2012 at 7:58 PM

To the left Religion is something to be faked. True believers are mocked and ridiculed by the left but they are all too willing to use it as a tool to gain power. There is a reason there is no Religious left.

Grunt on February 13, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Straight forward enough.

Bmore on February 13, 2012 at 8:00 PM

BTW – I am no longer practicing Catholic – now atheist – and that has a lot to do with the extreme hypocrisy within the church that I saw growing up.

dentarthurdent on February 13, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Sorry you feel that way. I am a new Catholic and converting is the best decision I ever made. You must have grown up after Vatican !I and were not well catechized. If you read and follow the Catechism of the church, you will understand the weakness of human nature and the folly of dismissing God as nonexistent.

chai on February 13, 2012 at 7:59 PM

chai on February 13, 2012 at 8:00 PM

For shame, all you racists. I can see that by not agreeing 110% with Oblammo, you have shown your racist sides. You’re all racist, with racist tendencies learned by your redneck racist parents, who were born out of wedlock cause youre all racist…racists.

Now…Im off to the post office to pick up my welfare check in my chevy volt which has GE lightbulbs attached to it, and runs on solar wind power dipped in canola oil. I hope youre all happy to be shoving your religiosity down the throats of amerikkka by not accepting how brilliant Obungalo is, and youre not.

Now…where my EBT card, so I can go buy a new plasma tv…

MooCow…out.

MooCowBang on February 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM

What do you mean, everyone is free to worship obozo. In fact it’s highly encouraged.

Flange on February 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Newfound GOP enthusiasm for religious exemptions from generally applicable laws seems dangerously close to sharia.”

Sharia– Theocracy where a state forces other to believe and act the way they believe

Obama’s mandate-where a state forces other to believe and act the way they believe

Yeah because the GOP are most like Sharia//

melle1228 on February 13, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I’d prefer the offending laws be off the books rather than giving exceptions just to religious organizations, if only because it otherwise means all those only apply to me.

Count to 10 on February 13, 2012 at 8:10 PM

melle1228 on February 13, 2012 at 8:06 PM

The Catholic Church’s objection only applies to employees of Catholic organizations. This is still a free country. No one is forced to teach at a Catholic school or work at a Catholic hospital or charity as opposed to their public counterparts. The Church is just requesting that it not be forced to fund something it views as immoral. It is not attempting to oppose its will on secular employers.

Your example was cute, but incorrect. The 45 minutes you took to develop it could have been put to much better use.

bw222 on February 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM

chai on February 13, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Welcome!
I was my old parish’s candidate-for-full-communion in 2010. It was pretty funny having a c-f-f-c that was born Jewish. LoL
Btw: Who’s your patron saint?
Mine’s St. Edith Stein.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

What are you talking about?

The Kennedy clan is responsible for the baptism of more woman than most priests!!!

Oh,….I am sorry…./s

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Obama’s Crusade against Judaism and Christianity endears him to other mozlem terrorists.

We don’t need no steeenkin elections!

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:20 PM

What are you talking about?

The Kennedy clan is responsible for the baptism of more woman than most priests!!!

Oh,….I am sorry…./s

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Wet mop clean up! Blue dress aisle 5!

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Feb. 12, 2012: The DAY Obama LOST the ELECTION. Yesterday after masses across the country, Bishops’ letters condemning Obama’s “accommodation were read. Our Bishop’s letter (posted in the link) was so strongly worded, I suspect excommunication, exorcism, or a combination of both will be the next step. And several of the parishioners didn’t think the letter went far enough!!!

Mutnodjmet on February 13, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Democratic hypocrisy on religious liberty everything.

Fixed.

hillsoftx on February 13, 2012 at 8:26 PM

I’m kind of curious what the religious freedom of Louis Farrakhan, Jerimiah Wright and Father Phleger means to the President?
Do they get an exemption?

Wonder how well they’ve made out financially?

Speakup on February 13, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Kathleen Sebeliurs should be hauled before the House of Rep.’s and charges of impeachment presented.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 13, 2012 at 7:58 PM

Why? The Democrats in Congress gave her the power to do almost whatever she wants when they voted in Obamacare.

txhsmom on February 13, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Your example was cute, but incorrect. The 45 minutes you took to develop it could have been put to much better use.

bw222 on February 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM

I understand exactly what the issue is. Thanks for explaining it in your terms though. Your snark and insulting nature is better off used in stand up comedy.

I was making a comment about how assinine that religious freedom is akin to sharia. Oh nevermind, people like you just like to hear yourself talk…

melle1228 on February 13, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Someone please tell me..

Is there any power or authority to a rule opposed to a law.

If the legislators write a law it has legal authority. If an agency creates a “rule” out of the law, does it really have power to be imposed? Could it be seriously challenged more than an outright law?

katy on February 13, 2012 at 8:29 PM

The Kennedy Klan is one area in which the Church deserves criticism. There is no way Teddy’s first marriage should have been annulled and his funeral mass should not have been said in the Boston cathedral.

bw222 on February 13, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Democratic hypocrisy on religious liberty

Definitive, by definition. :)

Who is John Galt on February 13, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Feb. 12, 2012: The DAY Obama LOST the ELECTION. Yesterday after masses across the country, Bishops’ letters condemning Obama’s “accommodation were read. Our Bishop’s letter (posted in the link) was so strongly worded, I suspect excommunication, exorcism, or a combination of both will be the next step. And several of the parishioners didn’t think the letter went far enough!!!

Mutnodjmet on February 13, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Excommunication??? He’s not a catholic. He wouldn’t give a rat’s butt. Nor would his “trinity college” groupies. They have been taught, from DAY ONE that they are smarter than the rest of us, and that the Catholic church is archaic because it refuses to adopt to the new world. Funny that another archaic religion which has done a better job of sticking to it’s core belief is going to take over.

Obozo knows this. His minions are clueless tools. IUDs for everyone, on the house.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:31 PM

You’ll note that Yglesias did not provide any examples of conservatives TRAMPLING religious rights.

Must have been an oversight on his part.

GarandFan on February 13, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The Kennedy Klan is one area in which the Church deserves criticism. There is no way Teddy’s first marriage should have been annulled and his funeral mass should not have been said in the Boston cathedral.

bw222 on February 13, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Until the Church gets back to it’s roots and tosses out LARGE numbers of liberals, it will continue to hemorrhage large numbers. But it looks like Pope Benedict realizes this, from the changes I have seen recently. Too little, too late, though.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:35 PM

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:35 PM

It’s never too late to return to God. Ask the thief crucified next to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:37 PM

It’s never too late to return to God. Ask the thief crucified next to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Sorry.

I could never be as forgiving as you.

Infanticide crosses a line for me.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Love the White Witch look. Fitting.

minnesoter on February 13, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Sorry. That sounded harsh towards you. What I meant was that I hold them in utter contempt and nothing will change that. SO toss me out, right after them. enough is enough.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Infanticide crosses a line for me.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:41 PM

“And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us…”

It’s not up to me, or you.

God judges all.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Infanticide crosses a line for me.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Sebelius helped fund a partial-birth abortionist.I’m with you.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Sorry. That sounded harsh towards you. What I meant was that I hold them in utter contempt and nothing will change that. SO toss me out, right after them. enough is enough.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:43 PM

I trust the Lord to do His will. I too hold them in contempt, and I ask the Lord to forgive me for not having the strength to forgive them each and every day of my life for the murder they commit.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Democratic hypocrisy

Redundant.

minnesoter on February 13, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I’m a cradle Catholic, and while I’ve had my struggles with things that have happened in the Church the only hypocrite I need to worry about is myself. The Church isn’t for the saints, it’s for the sinners.

McKenz59 on February 13, 2012 at 9:02 PM

I’m a cradle Catholic, and while I’ve had my struggles with things that have happened in the Church the only hypocrite I need to worry about is myself. The Church isn’t for the saints, it’s for the sinners.

McKenz59 on February 13, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Amen!

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 9:05 PM

McKenz59 on February 13, 2012 at 9:02 PM
Evil is still evil.
Sebelius is an EVIL woman.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 13, 2012 at 9:09 PM

“None dare call it infanticide.”

LizardLips on February 13, 2012 at 9:17 PM

chai on February 13, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Welcome.

Mine’s St. Edith Stein.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 13, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Good choice.

Until the Church gets back to it’s [sic] roots and tosses out LARGE numbers of liberals, it will continue to hemorrhage large numbers. But it looks like Pope Benedict realizes this, from the changes I have seen recently. Too little, too late, though.

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 8:35 PM

The Church rarely “tosses out” sinners. If we did, the pews would be empty, and we would be failing in our mission. That said — liberals who are only nominal Catholics don’t go to church much, and the problem sadly solves itself when their children make the break and leave the Church. But not to worry: “From age to age You gather a people to Yourself so that from east to west a perfect offering may be made in Your Name…”

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2012 at 9:36 PM

It’s not up to me, or you.

God judges all.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:44 PM

In a democracy, laws that kill bloody your hand.

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2012 at 9:38 PM

and we would be failing in our mission.

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Judging from what I saw the last time I went to mass in Seville, and the powder stippling outside of St. John Lateran, it’s failing anyway.

Time to try a new approach. (actually an old one revisited)

WryTrvllr on February 13, 2012 at 9:51 PM

In a democracy, laws that kill bloody your hand.

unclesmrgol on February 13, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Welcome to life. We all die in the end. It’s how you survive and live the life the Lord gave you that matters.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 10:35 PM

If only the hypocrisy was limited to religious liberty–frighteningly that’s just the first liberty they’re pouncing on, many more to go.

stukinIL4now on February 13, 2012 at 11:20 PM

But Jehu the son of Hana’ni the seer went out to meet him, and said to King Jehosh’aphat, “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the LORD.

2 Chron. 19:2

Cleombrotus on February 13, 2012 at 11:21 PM

That was just a carrot for sucking in the Catholics to believe the donks are their allies. Catholics were suckers in the first place for getting in bed over common issues like illegal immigration (when the Bible is equally clear about the govts responsibility to defend citizens) and the war on poverty (Bible equally clear on slackers and moochers). From the get go, the church should have maintained a certain distance from govt. I guess they were overcompensating for the general anti Catholic attitudes in the past leading up to the industrial revolution.

Ill be convinced of their awakening when they excommunicate pelosi, Kerry and any other that think they can be Catholics in name only.

AH_C on February 14, 2012 at 12:04 AM

“Jumping Jehoshaphat!” — W.C. Fields

minnesoter on February 14, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Funny. I remember the ACLU and the media wishing sharia upon all of us. They are particularly fond of the kill Christian and Jew thingee.

pat on February 14, 2012 at 12:31 AM

These ignorant democrats don’t even understand the controversy.
Contraception and abortion are legal, they are accessible easily, and no woman is prevented from them.
The Obama edict says Catholic institutions MUST PROVIDE a service, at no cost, which goes against their teaching!
This is government intruding on a religion’s closely-held sacred beliefs!
It would be like:
* Obama ordering that Muslim children in public schools must eat pork as part of their required lunches.
* Obama ordering that Muslim women must not wear head scarves while driving due to safety concerns.
* Obama ordering that Jewish men may not wear yarmulkes in public schools due to school uniform code.

The president is treading on religious beliefs and freedoms, and these libtards don’t get it!!!!!

Mark7788 on February 14, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Good link from Mark Levin to use as a rally point.

http://www.foramerica.org/

APACHEWHOKNOWS on February 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM

Heard him on Mark’s show this evening. Looks like it’s a good site, bookmarked it.

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 1:03 AM

I’d prefer the offending laws be off the books rather than giving exceptions just to religious organizations, if only because it otherwise means all those only apply to me.

Count to 10 on February 13, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Exactly. This is a U.S. Constitutional/Bill of Rights Issue; specifically a 1st Amendment Issue. It is foolish to fight this mandate on any other ground.

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 1:08 AM

bw222 on February 13, 2012 at 8:17 PM

You misunderstand the issue and the mandate. This applies to all Americans. The reason the Catholic Church is being discussed so loudly is because they are resisting. ALL Religious Organizations are under this mandate.

Here is one that is not of the Catholic Faith:

American Family Assn http://www.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147516862

Take Action: Obama mandates pro-abortion policy on faith-based organizations
February 3, 2012

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Remember that this Obamacare law that passed contained about 7,000 pages.
Many sections were written by others and hardly anyone had read it before it was passed. Until the U.S. Supreme Court rules on this, it is the law.

However, the House & Senate both have taken some action. Whether it will go anywhere is anyone’s guess.

To correct the threats to religious liberty and rights of conscience by the Obama administration, the Respect for Rights of Conscience Act has been introduced in Congress (H.R. 1179, S. 1467).

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 1:24 AM

I trust the Lord to do His will. I too hold them in contempt, and I ask the Lord to forgive me for not having the strength to forgive them each and every day of my life for the murder they commit.

Roy Rogers on February 13, 2012 at 8:46 PM

All sin is against God and man must repent to God to be forgiven of his sin. I hope you are not taking upon yourself that which you are not able or required to bear.

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 1:54 AM

But Jehu the son of Hana’ni the seer went out to meet him, and said to King Jehosh’aphat, “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate the LORD? Because of this, wrath has gone out against you from the LORD.

2 Chron. 19:2

Cleombrotus on February 13, 2012 at 11:21 PM

Good selection. Many forget that the Lord hates. “A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief. A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethern.” Proverbs 6:17-19

Another one, the Lord is angry with the wicked everyday. (forgot the ref.)
Oh, and this one: ..”but now commandeth all men every where to repent”

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM

The Church rarely “tosses out” sinners. If we did, the pews would be empty
unclesmrgol on February 13, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I have somewhat of a different opinion. The Church, whether Catholic, Protestant or Jewish or any at all that stands in a Pulpit, is to first teach the truth. When a member commits sin publicly, then they must be disciplined. They are to be brought to repentance by those in charge. For the sake of their own soul and for the sake of the other members.
“Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Paul the Apostle taught what should be done. I Corinthians 5:1-13.

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 2:17 AM

The president is treading on religious beliefs and freedoms, and these libtards don’t get it!!!!!

Mark7788 on February 14, 2012 at 12:53 AM

That is so true. It’s not about birth control and the rest of the items. Those are the means used to justify the ends: Elimination of the 1st Amendment which applies to all of us.

bluefox on February 14, 2012 at 2:22 AM

Exemptions??

Really?

Any “exemption” indicates that the doctrine of equal treatment under law is moot.

So much for The Constitution.

So much for the Republic.

Thank you, Prezdit Obama.

coldwarrior on February 14, 2012 at 5:37 AM

The Quiet Man
I can still hear Father Lonergan (Ward Bond) telling Will Danaher (Victor McLaglen):

“Shake his hand or I’ll read your name in the Mass on Sunday!”

Ahhhhh … Those were the days.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 14, 2012 at 8:09 AM

“Newfound GOP enthusiasm for religious exemptions from generally applicable laws seems dangerously close to sharia.”

What idiots like this one utterly FAIL to understand is that without the U.S. Constitution, Washington has no legitimate power to compel any of us to do anything. All the hyperbole in the world can’t hide the fact that what they’re doing is in direct conflict with the First Amendment. Why should we obey ANY of their laws if they can’t abide by the original framework which gave them authority to begin with? My suggestion to Catholic Bishops would be to tell Obama and Sebelius to shove it.

Murf76 on February 14, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Aren’t these the same people who were screaming about “separation of church and state” two months ago, to get nativity scenes banned?

DonCherry on February 14, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Religion is of use to the “ists” of political history because they are “non-violent” and the faithful are easily led.
Lutheran’s stood by (yes, I am a Lutheran) and allowed the Nazi’s to do what they did with impunity…until Hitler decided they were of no use, than began arresting them.
There is a lesson…as long as you are useful to them, “dictators” allow you to exist…but the minute you do not support them, you are expendable.
Are you listening the faithful? Christians, Jews, Mormon’s, etc….are you aware of history?

right2bright on February 14, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Am I the only one that sees Obama hates America? Am I the only one?

Axion on February 14, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Sorry you feel that way. I am a new Catholic and converting is the best decision I ever made. You must have grown up after Vatican !I and were not well catechized. If you read and follow the Catechism of the church, you will understand the weakness of human nature and the folly of dismissing God as nonexistent.

chai on February 13, 2012 at 7:59 PM

If it works for you, that’s great. I think everyone should have the freedom to join (or not) any church they want, and do whatever they believe is best for themselves. But I grew up in the Catholic church and it doesn’t work for me any more. My Mom is still a very devout Catholic at 83, although she was beaten bloody by the nuns in grade school – which is why she would not put us into a Catholic school. However in about 4th grade I was thrown across a room by my hair by a sunday school teacher because my cousin was talking to me during class. Still, I was heavily involved up through high school (VP of the CYO). While I still support the good vs bad lessons and ideals, and have stayed very conservative politically, over the last 10 years or so I’ve eased away from organized religion entirely.

dentarthurdent on February 14, 2012 at 12:28 PM

And while I agree that the government should not be getting involved in this kind of policy, I also see some hypocrisy on the side of the Catholic church. The church has been heavily “in the tank” for the Dem party for decades and has heavily supported Dems all over. I never understood how a church could be so against abortion and contraceptives, but directly support the election of politicians who were so actively in favor of them – and not just the freedom of access but government funding for them. There is far too much hypocrisy on both sides of this particular battle.

dentarthurdent on February 14, 2012 at 12:34 PM

And while I agree that the government should not be getting involved in this kind of policy, I also see some hypocrisy on the side of the Catholic church. The church has been heavily “in the tank” for the Dem party for decades and has heavily supported Dems all over. I never understood how a church could be so against abortion and contraceptives, but directly support the election of politicians who were so actively in favor of them – and not just the freedom of access but government funding for them. There is far too much hypocrisy on both sides of this particular battle.

dentarthurdent on February 14, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I don’t have to agree with them or think they’ve used their Constitutional Rights in the manner I’d expect in order to defend their Constitutional Rights.

The First Amendment gives them the right to free expression of religion. Forcing the self-insuring Catholic organizations to fund and provide abortions is a clear violation of that.

Yes the Catholics have supported Democrats and helped get us to where we are… but that doesn’t mean letting the government grow larger and strip rights from more Americans would be helpful. Anyone losing rights, even people I don’t like; is a bad precedent that will not end well.

gekkobear on February 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM

gekkobear on February 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Don’t misinterpret what I’m saying. I fully agree that the government has no right to force what they’re trying to do. I’m as anti-Obummer as you can get. All I’m saying is the Catholic church and their Dem voting population helped put all these Dems in power despite knowing up front that the stated Dem policies are directly opposed to church beliefs – and now they can’t seem to understand why the Dems are doing this to them. To me it comes off a bit as the “I’m shocked, shocked I say” reaction.

dentarthurdent on February 14, 2012 at 3:04 PM