Poll: Minnesota voters support right to work referendum … 55/24

posted at 11:10 am on February 11, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

When Indiana passed its right-to-work law to become the 23rd state to adopt that position, Minnesota legislators passed a referendum for a constitutional amendment that would do the same in the Land of 10,000 Lakes.  The Republican-controlled legislators did that to bypass DFL Governor Mark Dayton, as a successful referendum would amend the constitution without his signature.  Dayton responded by calling the measure “extreme“:

“Who is extreme? Who’s extreme?” Dayton asked the group. “Right to work, come on folks. We’ve had Republican legislatures and Republican governors and nobody’s every run that one up to try to get a constitutional amendment….

“Employee freedom? Freedom to work for substandard wages? Look at the states that have right to work and compare their salary wage levels with states that don’t. The states that don’t have higher standards of living for their people. Better education systems. Better opportunity for people to at least negotiate for decent wages and retirement benefits and health care and the like.”

Who’s extreme?  Survey USA decided to poll on that question this week, after Indiana’s change gave the issue a higher profile — and it became clear who exactly are the extremists in this debate:

An amendment that would designate Minnesota as a “right to work” state is supported 2:1, backed by rich and poor, educated and less-educated.

The survey of 542 registered voters showed a margin of more than 2:1, at 55/24.  It wins majorities of both men and women, and wins all age demographics by majorities except seniors, which have a near-majority supporting it at 49/35.  Independents support the idea by a wider margin than overall, 57/27, and even a plurality of Democrats support it at 40/32.  In fact, even a slight plurality of liberals support the measure, 35/32, with moderates near a 2:1 ratio of support at 53/28.  All income levels have wide pluralities or majorities supporting the measure, as do all regions of the state; the only region where it doesn’t get a majority, northeastern Minnesota (where Iron Range mining makes union support stronger) approves of the measure 49/30.

Looks as though Minnesota’s mainstream has tired of closed shops and union bullying.  The “extreme” in this state are those who want to protect Big Labor’s turf — and the spigot of political contributions that come from forced dues payments.  In other words, if Dayton wants to know “who’s extreme,” he should just look in the mirror.


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Please let last year be the apogee of union closed shop oppression.

NaCly dog on February 11, 2012 at 11:14 AM

Sanity taking hold?

thedevilinside on February 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

“Employee freedom? Freedom to work for substandard wages? Look at the states that have right to work and compare their salary wage levels with states that don’t. The states that don’t have higher standards of living for their people. Better education systems. Better opportunity for people to at least negotiate for decent wages and retirement benefits and health care and the like.”

Gee. Hard to argue that point. Illinois doesn’t have right to work, and just look at how awesome the Chicago Public School system is. Some of those kids not only know their last name, they can spell it! *I’m so proud*

predator on February 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Bad news for Rick Santorum.

joana on February 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Great news! I hope y’all get the right to work law passed. Will some stinken lib judge overturn the voters will again if it does pass?
L

letget on February 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Who’s extreme? Survey USA decided to poll on that question this week, after Indiana’s change gave the issue a higher profile — and it became clear who exactly are the extremists in this debate:

An amendment that would designate Minnesota as a “right to work” state is supported 2:1, backed by rich and poor, educated and less-educated.

Rick Santorum:

Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

mountainaires on February 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM

It costs less to live better in right to work states

DHChron on February 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Rick Santorum:

Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

mountainaires on February 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Why are you showing Santorum is an extremist union goon?

You must be a Christian hater.

joana on February 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Unions cut their own throat when they spent more on buying Democrat politicians and less on dues paying member benefits.

Roy Rogers on February 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

It costs less to live better in right to work states

DHChron on February 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Soooooo many people just don’t get that. Cost of living is much higher in union-dominated states. And union labor is such a small percentage of the work force. Imagine if all employees were union everywhere. Can you say $5 for a loaf of bread?

predator on February 11, 2012 at 11:22 AM

I was very surprised that there wasn’t much opposition to the right-to-work legislation in Indiana because of the domino effect that it will have.

Cheetah1956 on February 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

A true translation of Dayton’s comments would be: “Get your hands out of my wallet!”

GarandFan on February 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Who wouldn’t want to save money in their paychecks by eliminating union dues? Its like a tax break. In this economy people want more dough at the end of the week.

ctmom on February 11, 2012 at 11:25 AM

predator on February 11, 2012 at 11:22 AM

I’ve lived in both…Dayton says the “standard of living” is higher in Union controlled states. maybe…if you’re in debt to your eyeballs.

DHChron on February 11, 2012 at 11:26 AM

“Freedom to work for substandard wages?”

LOL. How about freedom to provide a superior product at a lower cost.

What’s not to like?

Dusty on February 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM

I was very surprised that there wasn’t much opposition to the right-to-work legislation in Indiana because of the domino effect that it will have.

Cheetah1956 on February 11, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Caterpillar rejected proposals from both Galesburg and Peoria as sites for a plant they are moving from Japan. 1400 jobs. One of their reasons? A hostile business climate (read: unions and high taxes) in Illinois. Many thanks, Pat Quinn and Chi-town dems.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 11:27 AM

[mountainaires on February 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM]

You need to ask for a raise!

Dusty on February 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM

If they go this route, they should ban public sector unions while they’re at it.

Iblis on February 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM

mountainaires on February 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM

joana on February 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

This is one time I’m going to say: “His voting record BE DAMNED.”

Would ANYBODY show me the ‘strong Union support’ for Rick Santorum, in this primary?

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Is “extreme” a liberal code word?

Fallon on February 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM

I’ve lived in both…Dayton says the “standard of living” is higher in Union controlled states. maybe…if you’re in debt to your eyeballs.

DHChron on February 11, 2012 at 11:26 AM

I was in Texas in the early 80s working in the oilfield. I remember guys coming down there from Michigan to look for work (welders, etc.). They left and went back to Michigan rather than work at the rates Texas paid. They would have had to settle for $14 an hour rather than $18. So they went home to be out of work that paid more rather than stay and work for a reduced rate where living was cheaper. “Good riddance” was my reply.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the ‘strong Union support’ for Rick Santorum, in this primary?
listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the ‘weak Union support’ for Rick Santorum, in this primary?

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Also many Union powerful states are the ones in deep financial trouble(to be fair,not all). Public service unions are the most damaging. Sadly,our police,firemen, teachers,gov employees in general are the big culprits. Was aghast at the behavior of these in WI. They showed no interest in the larger picture–their own greed trumped all. They were disgusting.

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Poll: Minnesota voters support right to work referendum … 55/24

Wow there’s a thaw in the Great Lakes Region. First Indiana, now Minnesota. I’m pulling for you Michiganders.

Dr Evil on February 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

If they go this route, they should ban public sector unions while they’re at it.

[Iblis on February 11, 2012 at 11:28 AM]

Patience. I suspect we’re top of a different slippery slope, so enjoy the ride and the view. It’ll be magnificent.

Dusty on February 11, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

mountainaires on February 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM

I have to know what was attached to those bills before I can make any judgement. Rarely does a bill stand alone.

darwin on February 11, 2012 at 11:37 AM

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Unions and their willing accomplices in politics are slowly strangling Illinois to death. I work in a union-free place in the state. Good wages, great health bennies (for now), and a good vacation package. I feel blessed.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Is “extreme” a liberal code word?

Fallon on February 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM

It’s a dog whistle. Libs come out of their basements when they hear it.

darwin on February 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the ‘weak Union support’ for Rick Santorum, in this primary?
listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the [barely discernible Union support, that is so little we need special instruments to measure it] for Rick Santorum, in this primary?

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Thanks for the info mountainaires ,
Santorum will not win . Too much of a petulant child thing going on in there .

Lucano on February 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Oops, forgot to delete that last line . . . . . .

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM

mountainaires on February 11, 2012 at 11:17 AM

for the record I am against national right to work … it is a states issue …
I am also against washington forcing states to recognize other states CCP … again it is a states issue ….

full disclosure I have a … CCP

conservative tarheel on February 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Meanwhile, in NH the Right to Work bill is again before the legislature. Late last year Gov Lynch (D) vetoed it. Thanks to RINOs there was no over ride. Major public employee union hissey fits under way.

philw1776 on February 11, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Thanks for the info mountainaires ,
Santorum will not win . Too much of a petulant child thing going on in there .
Lucano on February 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM

This works better:

Obama will not win. Too much of a petulant child thing going on in there.

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Alternate headline: one third of Minnesotans work for the government.

GrrandpaCaligula on February 11, 2012 at 11:44 AM

There was an article the other day (which I’m still looking for) that compared closed-shop states with right-to-work states that quoted an economic study (for whatever that’s worth) showing the opposite of what Dayton claims.

It showed an increase in manufacturing in r-t-w, standard of living, and “happiness” (if I remember correctly).

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 11:45 AM

I love our legislature – they are putting everything on the ballot and letting the voters decide.

I think we are up to gay marriage, voter ID and Right to Work.

gophergirl on February 11, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Ed – where is the Blog of the Year write-up?

John the Libertarian on February 11, 2012 at 11:46 AM

They can’t have 10,000 lakes, can they?

Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Hey Listens 2Glenn ,
You think the thugs will ” fix ” it for Santorum ?

Lucano on February 11, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Thugs hurt worst.

Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

I have to know what was attached to those bills before I can make any judgement. Rarely does a bill stand alone.

darwin on February 11, 2012 at 11:37 AM

I hear he once pulled a little girls pigtails when he was in elementary school. So we should toss him out as well as the rest of the GOP candidates./ They all have warts my friends, as did Reagan, the greatest president in our lifetime.

VegasRick on February 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

Rick Santorums’ position on Right to Work should be deeply troubling to the 80 percent of Americans who believe workers should not be forced to pay dues or fees to a union just to get or keep a job. Not only has he refused to answer the National Right to Work Committee’s Presidential Survey, but while in the Senate he joined with Democrats to filibuster the National Right to Work Act. Siding with Big Labor in favor of union boss forced dues powers should be particularly troubling to the people of South Carolina, who’ve spent the last year fighting off attacks by the Obama Labor Board on the state’s popular Right to Work law and the jobs it has helped create.

National Right to Work

joana on February 11, 2012 at 11:48 AM

This is one time I’m going to say: “His voting record BE DAMNED.”

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Why should I ignore Santorum’s socialist record on spending, right to work, free trade, entitlements or health care?

joana on February 11, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Sadly,our police,firemen, teachers,gov employees in general are the big culprits. Was aghast at the behavior of these in WI. They showed no interest in the larger picture–their own greed trumped all. They were disgusting.

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I agree that public sector unions are a huge drain on resources.
I’ll add, with a due sense of dread, that the UAW is responsible for the death of the auto industry in the US.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

DHChron
Hey Texas, what up?

angrymike on February 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the ‘weak Union support’ for Rick Santorum, in this primary?
listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the [barely discernible Union support, that is so little we need special instruments to measure it] for Rick Santorum, in this primary?

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Who’s winning this kerfuffle with yourself?

Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM

the UAW is responsible for the death of the auto industry in the US. RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

It’s alive and well in right to work states, no?

Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM

In MN, Dayton is known as Little Nero. While Rome is burning, he’s fiddling taxpayer money away on theater construction and stadium initiatives — monuments to himself, as if they’ll make up for his failed Senate career, and life. Hey, Mark, you’re all for FORCING people to join a union. Can’t get anymore un-American than that, you socialist loser.

RobertMN on February 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Dayton responded by calling the measure “extreme“

Only for the far left, freedom is over rated.

Roy Rogers on February 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM

I’m confused. When did this get to be a Santorum thread?

After all, the dude has GREAT sweater vests!

itsspideyman on February 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM

It’s alive and well in right to work states, no?

Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Who wants to know?

In Alabama, nonunion auto manufacturers are doing better than those located in heavily unionized states

Roy Rogers on February 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

NH failed right to work. I was/am upset about it. Here in my own small town many undeserving public emloyees are greatly over paid at the expense of the rest of us. They have jobs not worthy of their salaries and every year their unions demand more. However, the older voters here put in the same Selectmen every year. Am seeing movement though as younger voters begin to get involved…and understand the issues of today.

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Hey Listens 2Glenn ,
You think the thugs will ” fix ” it for Santorum ?
Lucano on February 11, 2012 at 11:47 AM

IF . . . they’re going to “fix it”, it’ll be for Obama.

Beyond that, you need to show me the “evidence” I requested in these preceding posts..

Would ANYBODY show me the ‘strong Union support’ for Rick Santorum, in this primary?
listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the ‘weak Union support’ for Rick Santorum, in this primary?
listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Would ANYBODY show me the [barely discernible Union support, that is so little we need special instruments to measure it] for Rick Santorum, in this primary?
listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Akzed @11:51
I was wondering the same thing.

angrymike on February 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

joana ,
I’m still with you on this one . I have had lots of experience w/Santorum and
his buddy Spector in PA . This Rick is at best a little woobley .
Better than Bammy , and I’d vote for him , but not strong enough to win .

Lucano on February 11, 2012 at 11:58 AM

It’s alive and well in right to work states, no?

Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM

THANK YOU. Someone finally mentions the ugly truth, the auto industry in the U.S. has never been better in right-to-work states.

Such as….

http://www.mackinac.org/13456

itsspideyman on February 11, 2012 at 11:58 AM

You must be a Christian hater.

joana on February 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

that means somebody is pro intelligence and clear thinking.

Your Mamma loves me on February 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Who’s winning this kerfuffle with yourself?
Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM

I thought I had posted this correction, after that

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Oops, forgot to delete that last line . . . . . .
listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 11:40 AM

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 12:00 PM

I’m confused. When did this get to be a Santorum thread?

After all, the dude has GREAT sweater vests!

itsspideyman on February 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM

Well his sweater vests are made here in MN. I guess that relates kind of sort of.

gophergirl on February 11, 2012 at 12:00 PM

that means somebody is pro intelligence and clear thinking.

Your Mamma loves me on February 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM

I want to see Breitbart’s Obama college video too!

Roy Rogers on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain! I am the great and powerful Ozbama! How dare you try to obfuscate with facts.

Huckabye-Romney on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Freedom to work for substandard wages?

Freedom to negotiate your own wage based on your own worth to the company as a good-or bad-employee.

davidk on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Michigan will never go right to work.
And never be able to figure out why they are in a permanent recession.

ORconservative on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

It may something to do with Saint Paul and Madison not being very far apart.

burt on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Sadly,our police,firemen, teachers,gov employees in general are the big culprits. Was aghast at the behavior of these in WI. They showed no interest in the larger picture–their own greed trumped all. They were disgusting.

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I agree that public sector unions are a huge drain on resources.
I’ll add, with a due sense of dread, that the UAW is responsible for the death of the auto industry in the US.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Same here in Ohio… big money spent and lies told to get SB 5 voted down last year. Hope our Buckeye State wakes up soon… including Kasich.

vamp57mw on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Michigan will never go right to work.
And never be able to figure out why they are in a permanent recession.

ORconservative on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Michigan and Illinois–partners in failure.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Akzed on February 11, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Yes, that’s true.

I think they build a lot of Nissans and Toyotas, no?

(I do not have a problem with Nissans or Toyotas. Good cars. Also, there are still some good “American brand” cars–please don’t misunderstand me.)

What I meant–and I don’t know if we actually disagree–is that the American brands couldn’t compete with the foreign brands because of the UAW.

Also, I’m a free market guy. GM and Chrysler should have gone through the bankruptcy process instead of taking taxpayer money (which they have stated has been paid back!). The only American brand car I’ll ever buy is Ford.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

NH failed right to work. I was/am upset about it. Here in my own small town many undeserving public emloyees are greatly over paid at the expense of the rest of us. They have jobs not worthy of their salaries and every year their unions demand more. However, the older voters here put in the same Selectmen every year. Am seeing movement though as younger voters begin to get involved…and understand the issues of today.

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 11:57 AM

I think NH is going to try again, now that there is a GOP governor.

Wethal on February 11, 2012 at 12:03 PM

ORconservative on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

As a life-long Michigander, I think you’re right.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:04 PM

You must be a Christian hater.
joana on February 11, 2012 at 11:19 AM

that means somebody is pro intelligence and clear thinking.
Your Mamma loves me on February 11, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Does that apply to the “Intelligent Designer?”

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 12:04 PM

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

yep.

ORconservative on February 11, 2012 at 12:04 PM

The only American brand car I’ll ever buy is Ford.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

This. I have a Saturn (no longer being produced because they weren’t made in Michigan) and a Mountaineer. Never, never, never will I buy a Chrysler or GM product as long as the current situation exists.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Also, I’m a free market guy. GM and Chrysler should have gone through the bankruptcy process instead of taking taxpayer money (which they have stated has been paid back!). The only American brand car I’ll ever buy is Ford.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I will never buy GM or Chrysler again after the crap I went through trying to get them to fix MANUFACTURER DEFECTS.

Thugs on drugs don’t build good cars.

Roy Rogers on February 11, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Mountainaires is stopping by the bank on the way home from his job at Romney Campaign HQ, to deposit his check for writing his drivel. He is taking Joana, from the next cubicle, with him.

HeatSeeker2011 on February 11, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I’m confused. When did this get to be a Santorum thread?
After all, the dude has GREAT sweater vests!
itsspideyman on February 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM

You’re right.

It got “hi-jacked.”

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Sadly,our police,firemen, teachers,gov employees in general are the big culprits. Was aghast at the behavior of these in WI. They showed no interest in the larger picture–their own greed trumped all. They were disgusting.

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I agree that public sector unions are a huge drain on resources.
I’ll add, with a due sense of dread, that the UAW is responsible for the death of the auto industry in the US.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Same here in Ohio… big money spent and lies told to get SB 5 voted down last year. Hope our Buckeye State wakes up soon… including Kasich.

vamp57mw on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

And yes, I know that was “only” going to affect collective bargaining and not total rtw, but the path was there… sadly Ohioans took the wrong one…

vamp57mw on February 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM

I was a life long Michigander but left. My heart is still there but they are so entrenched in the union garbage.
Just like my Catholic family will always vote Democrat, they will always be die hard union supporters and will never leave Wayne Co.
It is crazy. No amount of data will change it.

ORconservative on February 11, 2012 at 12:07 PM

“Employee freedom? Freedom to work for substandard wages? Look at the states that have right to work and compare their salary wage levels with states that don’t. The states that don’t have higher standards of living for their people. Better education systems. Better opportunity for people to at least negotiate for decent wages and retirement benefits and health care and the like.”

So, Mark, all states should take after union-dominated states like Michigan, California and Illinois? How are the economies in those states by the way?

Just wondering.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 11, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Sanity taking hold?

thedevilinside on February 11, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Yes, that’s why Santy took a hold!

KOOLAID2 on February 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Just wondering.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 11, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Illinois is $35 billion in debt. And it will only get worse. We need to secede from Cook County. Let them be their own state, and maybe we can save the rest of it.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM

The only American brand car I’ll ever buy is Ford.
RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM

I will never buy GM or Chrysler again after the crap I went through trying to get them to fix MANUFACTURER DEFECTS.
Thugs on drugs don’t build good cars.
Roy Rogers on February 11, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I wouldn’t call the “assembly-line personnel” thugs.
Unions hire ‘special help’ for that.

“Drug users” on the other hand . . . . . .

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 12:12 PM

I hope that’s true, but part of me worries that a large chunk of the “supporters” see “right to work” and think that it requires the government to give them a job.

Count to 10 on February 11, 2012 at 12:13 PM

I’m confused. When did this get to be a Santorum thread?
After all, the dude has GREAT sweater vests!
itsspideyman on February 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM

You’re right.

It got “hi-jacked.”

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 12:06 PM

LOL!
I have been playing a new game I made up. (Yes, I have a sad, pitiful existence……but it’s really fun!)

I read the headline on the home page. Then I try to guess how many comments will be written before the topic swings to the GOP primary. I’m still trying to work beer into it. I’ve got some ideas, but the rules need a little ironing-out.

Oh–BTW–TM.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Just wondering.

Left Coast Right Mind on February 11, 2012 at 12:08 PM

I’ll try again.

Illinois is $35 billion in debt and getting worse. We need to break away from Cook County and maybe we can save the rest of the state. (the word s*cede is filtered, maybe?)

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:14 PM

Am in hopes that NH will approve the abolishment of the so-called closed or agency shop as only choice. While it is not full right to work, it does allow one to opt out of union membership and/or fees. Am a tad upset by these having to sign a waiver to not expect to be covered by what ever the union negotiations are though. Dangerous territory–could cut either way over time.

jeanie on February 11, 2012 at 12:16 PM

ORconservative on February 11, 2012 at 12:01 PM

As a life-long Michigander, I think you’re right.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:04 PM

grew up in MI … joined the military and left and havnt been back …

retired in NC …

conservative tarheel on February 11, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Roy Rogers on February 11, 2012 at 12:05 PM

I own a Hyundai – I’m a believer.

But the article you referenced is from 2008. Are they still prospering after 3+ years of Obamanomics?

shaloma on February 11, 2012 at 12:17 PM

conservative tarheel on February 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Isn’t the right to keep and bear arms a Constitutional right?

Mimzey on February 11, 2012 at 12:17 PM

How is it that the redneck hillbillys in Kentucky can build cars that consistently get better reviews, ratings and sales than those built by union goons in Michigan? I refuse to buy any car that was built by a UAW member after the auto bailout…..uhhh I meant the UAW bailout.

jb34461 on February 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM

I hope that’s true, but part of me worries that a large chunk of the “supporters” see “right to work” and think that it requires the government to give them a job.
Count to 10 on February 11, 2012 at 12:13 PM

That’s how they view everything else, it seems.
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EXCEPT THE SECOND AMENDMENT !

listens2glenn on February 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM

ORconservative on February 11, 2012 at 12:07 PM

LOL. I might know them.
My bro-in-law’s family is the same way. Great people. Smart. Talk to some of them about political issues, and they agree with me (on a lot of them, at least).
Still vote democrat in every election.
I can’t explain it. Maybe it’s an FDR or Kennedy thing.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM

RedCrow ,
LOL !
Thanks I needed that .

Lucano on February 11, 2012 at 12:22 PM

Is “extreme” a liberal code word?

Fallon on February 11, 2012 at 11:32 AM

It’s a dog whistle. Libs come out of their basements when they hear it.

darwin on February 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM

Yesterday, I heard a new liberal code word!
Someone said, he was “severely” conservative!

KOOLAID2 on February 11, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I can’t explain it. Maybe it’s an FDR or Kennedy thing.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM

My mom no longer votes. It’s hard for her to get around. And she despises everything the Dems stand for. But if she could vote, she would vote Democrat. It’s FDR for her. She grew up during the depression and still believes he saved the world.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Someone said, he was “severely” conservative!

KOOLAID2 on February 11, 2012 at 12:23 PM

He made it sound like he had an illness. Freudian?

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:25 PM

conservative tarheel on February 11, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Lovely country down there. SC too.
I’m always on the lookout for jobs down there.
Besides the global warming winter we’ve had here (just snowed 4in last night–second snowfall of the winter) MI winters have been getting on my nerves.

RedCrow on February 11, 2012 at 12:27 PM

OK. An entire pot of coffee and I still feel like hell from last night. I’m going back to bed.

predator on February 11, 2012 at 12:28 PM

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