Coburn: Debate about birth-control mandate “blown out of proportion”

posted at 7:20 pm on February 9, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Oklahoma Republican Sen. Tom Coburn — a stalwart against government overreach — disagrees with the Obama administration’s mandate that even religiously-affiliated employers provide employees with insurance that covers contraception, but he doesn’t think it represents a particularly drastic departure from the president’s other policies.

“This is blown out of proportion,” he said. “It is an important point in terms of religious liberty, but it’s a consequence of having too big of a government.”

Coburn acknowledged that the program has “professed benefits,” but said “in the long run we all lose when the government is that involved in our life.”

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said. “But the consequence is that we lose liberty.”

Perhaps he has a point; after all, it’s not as though this were the first indication we’ve had that the president wants to prescribe what constitutes “health care.” As Daniel Henninger writes in The Wall Street Journal, inflexibility has long been a hallmark of those who seek to transform the nation for the public good:

Older Americans have sought for years to drop out of Medicare and contract for their own health insurance. They cannot without forfeiting their Social Security payments. They effectively are locked in. Nor can the poor escape Medicaid, even as the care it gives them degrades. Farmers, ranchers and loggers struggled for years to protect their livelihoods beneath uncompromising interpretations of federal environmental laws. They, too, had to comply. University athletic programs were ground up by the U.S. Education Department’s rote, forced gender balancing of every sport offered.

With the transformers, it never stops. In September, the Obama Labor Department proposed rules to govern what work children can do on farms. After an outcry from rural communities over the realities of farm traditions, the department is now reconsidering a “parental exemption.” Good luck to the farmers.

The Catholic Church has stumbled into the central battle of the 2012 presidential campaign: What are the limits to Barack Obama’s transformative presidency? The Catholic left has just learned one answer: When Mr. Obama says, “Everyone plays by the same set of rules,” it means they conform to his rules. What else could it mean?

If Coburn had meant that objectors to the mandate are overly dramatic to link it to religious liberty, then I would have vehemently disagreed with him. In that sense, the debate is not “overblown.” But if what he means is that we should have woken up before now — and that this doesn’t fundamentally change the fight we’re waging, which is to repeal Obamacare entirely — then he’s right. An exclusive focus on the Obama administration’s overreach in the case of the contraception mandate just isn’t quite broad enough: We still need complete repeal.


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“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”

I really wish they would stop this. They are not “well meaning”. They’re evil and corrupt.

darwin on February 9, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Obama continues his own personnel Jihad against America.

Axion on February 9, 2012 at 7:24 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said.

Yes, there is. No, they’re not. They’re motivated by thirst for power, and they mean to crush anyone who does not dance to their tune.

Fabozz on February 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”

Uh huh, the excuse used by every tyrant in history, “This is for your own good”.

Not buying it, Coburn.

Tell me again why I’m supposed to accept the flaccid GOP response to PBHO’s overreach, especially when they say things like this?

Bishop on February 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM

It’s a subtle point, perhaps too subtle for some, but it is absolutely correct.

The attack on religious liberty is one element of freedom that is being usurped by the government. Obamacare has many, many others (death panels anyone?). And big government by definition seeks to transfer the ability of an individual to make their own choices to an all powerful centralized bureaucracy.

Catholic organizations somehow failed for at least 40 years to understand that this is the inevitable consequence of big government.

In Europe, God was long ago supplanted by a vision of a secular socialist utopia.

CorporatePiggy on February 9, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Yes, darwin, they are “evil and corrupt” and are bent on destroying America.

Wake up, people.

davidk on February 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Where do we draw the line, Senator?

d1carter on February 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

I agree with coburn. It would be one thing if the gov’t forced the catholics to use the services. It doesn’t. You just have to pay in case someone wants to. Just like the taxation system where we don’t get to pick or choose where our money goes. In the end, the argument is ridiculous since the majority of catholics use contraception. Not to mention these organizations are receiving taxpayer funding.

We really have to ask if we need health insurance that covers contraception knowing that it will drive the costs up for everyone. If we are going to have nationalized health care, should it be for the most valid and most needed services rather than every nit someone else might want so they can have unlimited access to that service for “free”? That is the most expensive system anyone can imagine.

aniptofar on February 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said. “But the consequence is that we lose liberty.”

i’ll quote this too since it obviously jumps out..he’s so wrong on this..if well meaning is we want to control everything, than that’s a perverse form of well meaning then

sadsushi on February 9, 2012 at 7:28 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation

Really ?
Coburn sees nothing wrong with Das Kapital and the koran ?

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 7:29 PM

There is SOMETHING wrong with their motivation! They want to control EVERYTHING!

gullxn on February 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Same goes for all the complaints about lobbying and buying elections. If the government were not so damn huge and intrusive, corporations wouldn’t care who won elections, and they would much rather spend the money on people and products/services than on lobbyists and campaign contributions. But at this point getting political is a matter of survival for almost every business in America.

Liberals do not seem to grasp this at all.

rockmom on February 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

The Medicare-Social Security linkage is being challenged in federal court.

Wethal on February 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Oh yes Sen. Tom Coburn, we are all over-reacting to Obama’s blatantly unconstitutional act. Pardon us.

Axion on February 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
-— C.S. Lewis

clippermiami on February 9, 2012 at 7:33 PM

Thanks a lot Tom////

JPeterman on February 9, 2012 at 7:35 PM

Sorry, Tina. You’re having to do some serious acrobatics and hoola-hoop jumping to come up with a favorable interpretation of Coburn’s statement. It doesn’t pass the smell test.

Their motive is that they want to f*ck unencumbered by any sense of personal responsibility. They are fixated on the indulgence of hedonistic pursuits, and they’ll indulge them dammit as much as possible, and if that means that they can get you to contribute so they can f*ck on your dollar, then by golly, they’re gonna f*ck on your dollar. That way you’ll be f*cked over, but without any of the typical accompanying pleasure.

Stoic Patriot on February 9, 2012 at 7:35 PM

— they’re well-meaning people,” he said.

We really need to get away from this type of thinking…

‘They’ are egotistical a$$holes convinced that what they believe is right and if you don’t, you’re just too stupid or backwards to realize it.

Bull$hit….

BigWyo on February 9, 2012 at 7:38 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said. “But the consequence is that we lose liberty.”

Sounds like something Einstein would have said about the Nazis when he fled Germany in 1933.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 7:39 PM

rockmom on February 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

As I have said before…you do rock..

BigWyo on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

It’s a subtle point, perhaps too subtle for some, but it is absolutely correct.

* * * * *
CorporatePiggy on February 9, 2012 at 7:26 PM

For most around these parts, it’s too subtle by orders of magnitude. Too many of those on our side wouldn’t get a point if you hit them over the head with it (not that it would be a bad idea).

Adjoran on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Tom Coburn is a good man that I’ve met a number of times. He’s honest, straightforward, and reasonable. Everyone seems to want to pick out the “they’re we’ll meaning people” line and criticize it but hey, he’s actually met with, worked with, and knows Barack Obana personally since before he was President. I do not agree with his policies or 95% of the bills democrats AND republicans have sent to him. But if you’re honestly one of those, he’s our to destroy the country, it’s purposeful nonsense I dare say you’ve been listening to the AM advertising salesmen just a bit too much. I also believe Obama isn’t the devil incarnate, honestly is trying to do the best he can, and just has a different worldview than I do about how to accomplish that.

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Tom sounds a lot like Harry.

Roymunson on February 9, 2012 at 7:41 PM

They are NOT “well-meaning”.

Obama either never studied the constitution, or pees on it, purposely.

Schadenfreude on February 9, 2012 at 7:41 PM

Coburn also said at another time that Nancy Pelosi isn’t mean, that she’s a nice woman.

Hey Tom, say something nice about your fellow Republicans and Conservatives and let the Democrats take care of protecting their own because you know they will never return the favor.

RJL on February 9, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Coburn acknowledged that the program has “professed benefits,” but said “in the long run we all lose when the government is that involved in our life.”

Santorum wouldn’t agree. So who’s a better spokesman for conservatives, SoCons? Coburn or Santorum?

MadisonConservative on February 9, 2012 at 7:42 PM

Coburn needs to be primaried out of existence. RINO.

wildcat72 on February 9, 2012 at 7:43 PM

There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”

Hope & Change translation: my name is (R)Tom Coburn and I am not a racist… yada yada yada

drivingtheview on February 9, 2012 at 7:43 PM

So sick of Repubs giving the benefit of the doubt.

EnochCain on February 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Idiots like this on our side is why we’re losing this country.

squint on February 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Bruins goalie Tim Thomas took serious heat today from the media for not answering questions in regards to his Facebook statement supporting the Catholic Church. They asked question after question after question at a press conference that was supposed to be about hockey. Tim kept rebuffing them saying he was there to talk about hockey. Meanwhile our President, whose job revolves around these political issues refused to answer questions about the controversy and was given a pass. All he had to say was “C’mon guys”. It doesn’t get much crazier than that.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/02/09/obama-tells-reporter-asking-about-contraception-church-controversy-co

Wigglesworth on February 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”

In order to believe this you have to believe that they are stupid. They are not. Their intellects are just to massive for the rest of us to understand their benevolence and their heartfelt urge to take care of the lower life forms.

Vince on February 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I trust an upright straight forward conservative I know, who has personal experience with these folks rather than reactionary commenter’s who spend too much time seeking out red meat and anything to enforce their ideas that these people are evil subhumans. His opinion is worth more credence any day.

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Aren’t the anti-religious components of Obamacare just another reason why we have to repeal Obamacare? If Catholics think we’re going forget about the anti-liberty components that they may have supported and instead concentrate on the anti-religion aspects, forget it. If they want my help they have to oppose the entire law and help us repeal it. If they don’t care about my concerns I don’t care about theirs.

FloatingRock on February 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM

tom”s well meaning but i wouldn’t want him in my foxhole. glad he’s leaving. when you think of coburn you think ineffective. i just wish he would have batted away one of obama’s backpats but he seemed to like it

rik on February 9, 2012 at 7:46 PM

they’re well-meaning people

Isn’t there a danger in assigning motivations, for good or evil? Look at actions and results. Powerful people force those with less power to do what they say, even if it’s against their will. Because they believe their way is best. We can say this without saying someone has good or bad intentions.

Paul-Cincy on February 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Until elected Republicans realize that dependency is the goal we will continue to lose freedom. There is nothing character building about abdication of personal responsibility.

Cindy Munford on February 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Coburn needs to be primaried out of existence. RINO.
wildcat72 on February 9, 2012 at 7:43 PM

This is absolutely ridiculous. You have no idea what you are talking about and basing this statement on nothing but one sentence that you wanted red meat on instead. He has more experience with these people than you do and is NOT a RINO.

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I agree with coburn. It would be one thing if the gov’t forced the catholics to use the services. It doesn’t. You just have to pay in case someone wants to. Just like the taxation system where we don’t get to pick or choose where our money goes. In the end, the argument is ridiculous since the majority of catholics use contraception. Not to mention these organizations are receiving taxpayer funding.

We really have to ask if we need health insurance that covers contraception knowing that it will drive the costs up for everyone. If we are going to have nationalized health care, should it be for the most valid and most needed services rather than every nit someone else might want so they can have unlimited access to that service for “free”? That is the most expensive system anyone can imagine.

aniptofar on February 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

First they came for the communists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak out because I was Protestant.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

~~Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I for one am so glad this guy is retiring this year.He has said in the past few years Nancy Pelosi is such a nice lady and Obama is a nice guy and both are my close friends.He also called Sen.DeMint a extreme right wing loon.Called Rush and Mark Levin fools and out of the main stream.Said talk radio is not helpful and sometimes holds congress back from doing more for the American people.

logman1 on February 9, 2012 at 7:50 PM

This is absolutely ridiculous. You have no idea what you are talking about and basing this statement on nothing but one sentence that you wanted red meat on instead. He has more experience with these people than you do and is NOT a RINO.

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Coburn has been CONSISTENTLY backstabbing us lately. Remember his “gang of” shennanigans instead of pushing the Ryan plan JUST as it was released?

Sorry, no use for Coburn. He’s been in the Senate too long.

wildcat72 on February 9, 2012 at 7:50 PM

The Medicare-Social Security linkage is being challenged in federal court.

Wethal on February 9, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Got a link or something?

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 7:50 PM

But if you’re honestly one of those, he’s our to destroy the country, it’s purposeful nonsense I dare say you’ve been listening to the AM advertising salesmen just a bit too much. I also believe Obama isn’t the devil incarnate, honestly is trying to do the best he can, and just has a different worldview than I do about how to accomplish that.

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

yeah i listen to Rush and i agree with him..Obama has a chip on his shoulder and he does want to bring this country to his knees..he is currently doing everything he can to make that happen..

do you really believe well meaning people pass bills like obamacare, dodd and frank, stimulus, epa regulations, etc etc???

sadsushi on February 9, 2012 at 7:51 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said.

No they’re not.
They’re evil, power-hungry, control-freak bastards!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2012 at 7:53 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”
I really wish they would stop
this.

They are not “well meaning”. They’re evil and corrupt.

darwin on February 9, 2012 at 7:24 PM

THIS! Is strictly a Republican disease!
Is there a cure?
McCain has the virus, Romney has the virus, Baby Bonehead has the virus, Misfit Mitch has the virus…WHO HAS THE CURE?

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2012 at 7:53 PM

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I agree with you..Coburn is one of the good guys. But this fluffy ‘why can’t we all just get along’ crap has got to go.

What’s the purpose of saying “There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”??

BigWyo on February 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

There are extreme views on both sides but Obama has already prooven that he’s a liar and cares nothing about you or the Constitution. He believes that our country needs to be fundamentally changed to his worldview.

This means we can’t afford to take your attitude towards him or any like minded politicians. Your attitude is nice but try being nice to Obama and his minions and you end up under their feet.

Vince on February 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Isn’t there a danger in assigning motivations, for good or evil? Look at actions and results. Powerful people force those with less power to do what they say, even if it’s against their will. Because they believe their way is best. We can say this without saying someone has good or bad intentions.

Paul-Cincy on February 9, 2012 at 7:47 PM

When a group consistently works to repress or take away the rights of the citizens, promote legislation that a majority do not want and twist every rule they can to pass it; when a person appoints czars, writes executive orders in order to get around laws he doesn’t want, and forces his will on citizens,

well, yes,

I think we can assign evil motives to them.

As for those in Congress who stand by and watch this happen, we can assign some motives to them as well.

INC on February 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

I’m a little tired of Sen. Coburn. Just last year he basically told conservatives to shut up when we mocked the meaningless bipartisan seating arrangements for Obama’s State of the Union show. You see, he didn’t appreciate our uncivil tone. Nevermind the other side has ruined our nation financially and is in the process of taking our remaining liberties, too. This is not overblown, just as that wasn’t overblown either.

While he sits peacefully with his good friend Sen. Schumer. I’ll keep screaming about the Marxist march on liberty.

flyfisher on February 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Michelle, the lardazz, is now trying to dictate what the Soldiers eat.

Schadenfreude on February 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

It sounds like he was thinking and speaking in prose and not in happy sound bites for you. Of course he thinks religious liberty is important, he is just commenting that this is so predictable with big government, and almost, like the rest of us were saying, is the Catholic Church finally surprised?

Once they settle paying for your birth control, they are going to move on to IVF treatments, very expensive, and unfair if you are poor and cannot get them; sex change operations; medical care having to do with reproduction you thought were lifestyle choices or for people who had the money. No one will hear the Catholic Bishops then saying no to the IVF because they are practically alone sitting there all alone telling people not to create life outside the womb, and it is so unfair that you have to be rich to adopt children, they will want to pay for that too, and surrogacy, yes, that.

Can we talk about these things? they are coming, it’s not just The Pill they want paid for by everyone.

Fleuries on February 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Is there anything worth getting angry about..?

d1carter on February 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Michelle, the lardazz, is now trying to dictate what the Soldiers eat.

Schadenfreude on February 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

The Star…Wars…character should be less concerned about the eating habits of our troops and more concerned with shrinking the double-wide she trucks around behind her.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2012 at 7:56 PM

for one am so glad this guy is retiring this year.He has said in the past few years Nancy Pelosi is such a nice lady and Obama is a nice guy and both are my close friends.He also called Sen.DeMint a extreme right wing loon.Called Rush and Mark Levin fools and out of the main stream.Said talk radio is not helpful and sometimes holds congress back from doing more for the American people.

logman1 on February 9, 2012 at 7:50 PM

Ah! That explains it. I wonder if he has enough squirreled away or if he has a cushy job awaiting for him.

Vince on February 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said. “But the consequence is that we lose liberty.”

Everything is wrong with their motivation.

They’re not stupid. They realize the consequence is loss of liberty. Well-meaning people would stop and remember they’re supposed to uphold the Constitution.

INC on February 9, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Well-intentioned? Well-meaning? They’ve got you fooled, Senator. You must not understand the underlying motive for all this treachery. It’s NOT about “health care” or any “for the good of the people” blather. It’s all about control, period. It’s all about subverting, then destroying, the Constitution and the freedoms and liberties it guarantees. And this corrupt and criminal regime will stop at nothing to achieve its goals. You will find this out before the year is over, Senator, and so will the rest of the duped Americans. Read The Harbinger by Jonathan Cahn and find out why things are the way they are in America. You won’t like it, but you won’t be able to deny it, either. Obama and his fellow criminals are interested in but one thing: Keeping his illegally-obtained position and turning America into another Marxist/collectivist dictatorship. Anyone who disagrees with him or his aims is automatically a “terrorist,” and will be persecuted by the government. This is no joke or exaggeration. This is America’s future. Good intentions? Well-meaning? Like I said, Senator — you are badly deceived.

Gordy on February 9, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Tom Coburn is a good man that I’ve met a number of times. He’s honest, straightforward, and reasonable. Everyone seems to want to pick out the “they’re we’ll meaning people” line and criticize it but hey, he’s actually met with, worked with, and knows Barack Obana personally since before he was President. I do not agree with his policies or 95% of the bills democrats AND republicans have sent to him. But if you’re honestly one of those, he’s our to destroy the country, it’s purposeful nonsense I dare say you’ve been listening to the AM advertising salesmen just a bit too much. I also believe Obama isn’t the devil incarnate, honestly is trying to do the best he can, and just has a different worldview than I do about how to accomplish that.

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

Go read about the communist New Party that Obama joined long ago. Check out the goals of the radical organizations he has been aligned with throughout his adult life. Study the backgrounds of his closest friends and associates. After you’ve done that come back and tell us with a straight face that Obama is honestly trying to do the best he can. You are very naive about who lives in the White House.

flyfisher on February 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I can appreciate your defense of Sen. Coburn, but it seems to me he’s being diplomatic and not exactly truthful about obozo. Obozo’s relationships with the likes of Ayers and Rev. Wright suggest that obozo doesn’t have good intentions.

Flange on February 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I can’t believe what Obama has gotten away with all because the GOP is the gutless wonder that it is… Are they that afraid of this Black man that they will let him destroy this nation??? Obama and Co should have been impeached and or in jail by now!

CCRWM on February 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Michelle, the lardazz, is now trying to dictate what the Soldiers eat.

Schadenfreude on February 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM

She’s such an idiot. She’s got them eating rabbit food when they need to be eating rabbits.

flyfisher on February 9, 2012 at 8:02 PM

I really wish they would stop this. They are not “well meaning”. They’re evil and corrupt.

darwin on February 9, 2012 at 7:24 PM

Christ, I don’t think I would like to see what it’s like if they were not “well meaning”.

arnold ziffel on February 9, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I can’t believe what Obama has gotten away with all because the GOP is the gutless wonder that it is… Are they that afraid of this Black man that they will let him destroy this nation??? Obama and Co should have been impeached and or in jail by now!

CCRWM on February 9, 2012 at 8:00 PM

I have a feeling that the Catholic Church will not let Obama get away with this. Obama finally hit a nerve and before it’s all over, he will be crying “uncle” right after his butt is kicked out to the gutter next January. What Obama is doing to the Catholics now will soon be done to other Christian beliefs. This is not about womans’ rights. This is a First Amendment issue.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Just like the taxation system where we don’t get to pick or choose where our money goes.
aniptofar on February 9, 2012 at 7:27 PM

Actually, its nothing like the tax system. Government and its mandates do not equal religion and its mandates. Render unto Caesar etc. Money is money.. religious beliefs are religious beliefs.

What happened to the endless cry’s for “separation of church and state!”?

Mimzey on February 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

i’m personally disgusted that anything but malevolence is assigned to the left’s motivations.

@obamuh on February 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

What happened to the endless cry’s for “separation of church and state!”?

Mimzey on February 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

That only works for atheists and the ACLU.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said. “But the consequence is that we lose liberty.”

If you assume that their motives are pure…sure.

Do you also see unicorns?
Does your Doggie really talk to you?

(just curious….cuz you’re either amazingly naive or incredibly stupid)

Tim_CA on February 9, 2012 at 8:09 PM

i’m personally disgusted that anything but malevolence is assigned to the left’s motivations.

@obamuh on February 9, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Well, get over it. Most people who vote Democrat in this country are not evil villains. They’re mostly idealistic people who put emotion over logic.

MadisonConservative on February 9, 2012 at 8:10 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said. “But the consequence is that we lose liberty.”

It’s amazing how many deaths and how much misery genuinely well-meaning people have caused in my lifetime. From the malaria epidemic in Africa because the well intentioned got DDT banned, to the millions of murdered and displaced South Vietnamese when the “well meaning” cut off funding for the war – these and many others – the “well meaning” have wrought genuine havoc.

It has become automatic to give the “well meaning” a pass when they visit travesty upon us and our brothers.

I think it high time to hold people accountable for outcomes, not intentions. The ubiquitous “they meant well, but…” is a cancer and should be eradicated from public discourse.

MessesWithTexas on February 9, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Tell me again why I’m supposed to accept the flaccid GOP response to PBHO’s overreach, especially when they say things like this?

Bishop on February 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Bishop, we are so fortunate that you are on this site. Nobody uses words quite the way you do.

Of all the f words, that one is the best. And it is exactly why the GOP loses. It literally cannot close the deal.

platypus on February 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

When you are dealing with radicals who threaten your way of life, you need a Churchill, not a Chamberlain.

flyfisher on February 9, 2012 at 8:12 PM

To vote for abortion while honoring his Roman Catholic views, Stupak got President Obama to sign an executive order outlawing the use of federal funds for abortion services. But the order was just a presidential edict, without the force of law, and “tea party” groups attacked.

Thank you for your vote Bart, & the executive order you exchanged for. Such a shame the tea party was wrong & racist

drivingtheview on February 9, 2012 at 8:15 PM

I’ve been arguing this all along. While this is an important First Amendment fight, we can’t let it overshadow the fact that government has no business telling any private employer what kind of health insurance coverage he must provide or even that he must provide health insurance at all. Just as government has no business telling any individual what kind of health insurance coverage he must carry or even that he must carry health insurance at all. Sometimes I wonder if the administration has fabricated this controversy to distract us from the larger issue and that once it backs down (and it will), we’ll claim victory and just forget about the rest.

We can not “fix” ObamaCare. We can’t “mend” it, we can’t “improve” it and we can’t “tweak” it. Full repeal is required. Settle for nothing less.

SukieTawdry on February 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said.

It’s probably a good thing he’s retiring; he’s been spending way too much time inside the beltway and it’s affecting his brain.

I always thought Tom Coburn was one of the few decent senators around. I watched the videos he made with Wyoming Senator John Barrasso before Obamacare was shoved through as it was. As a doctor, he seemed to find plenty of things to object about it then.

Now he reminds me of someone who’s been in the same job way past his sell-by date and just doesn’t care about anything anymore, only that his final day on the job comes ASAP.

PatriotGal2257 on February 9, 2012 at 8:16 PM

I have a feeling that the Catholic Church will not let Obama get away with this. Obama finally hit a nerve and before it’s all over, he will be crying “uncle” right after his butt is kicked out to the gutter next January. What Obama is doing to the Catholics now will soon be done to other Christian beliefs. This is not about womans’ rights. This is a First Amendment issue.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 8:06 PM

I suggest that we all start thinking about what we are going to do about the massive vote fraud that the Hatefilled Left will employ to get this man to remain in office. It is going to have to be very blatant… Have any of us ever in our lifetime here in the USA seen anything like what has happed in the last 10 years and especailly in the last 3? Are we going to be willing to live the existence these people have planned out for us? I’m not some crazy conspiracy theorist, I just know history and am not keen on repeating it…

CCRWM on February 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

We still need complete repeal.

Of Obamascare, yeah. Has that not ever been said? Is it not being worked on? Are we not waiting for the end of March for the arguments before SCOTUS? This is how I just don’t get you mediamateurs. This didn’t need to be said. WE KNOW IT! Duh!

stukinIL4now on February 9, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I just heard a mouse squeak.

Pathetic.

hillbillyjim on February 9, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Catholics need to help us repeal Obamacare so that it won’t infringe on any of our liberties. I’m concerned about how it infringes on their liberty but the relationship needs to be reciprocal.

FloatingRock on February 9, 2012 at 8:24 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”

Yeah, “well-meaning people” who want to dictate every moment of your life “for your own good”.

GarandFan on February 9, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Coburn is right, but since he said our enemies are well-meaning I hate him. /s

OneGyT on February 9, 2012 at 8:27 PM

That only works for atheists and the ACLU.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Guess so.

Mimzey on February 9, 2012 at 8:28 PM

“Their well meaning ppl” this goes to show you that they are just as power hungry as the left.

angrymike on February 9, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Screw the Catholic church, they have cozied up to the big government scum for decades, sucking from the public teet, if it wasn’t for government subsidies they would be out of business. They supported Obamacare but whine about abortion. Well since they love government so much- they hated welfare reform and tax cuts and the defense buildup and the war in Iraq and well anything that doesn’t bring them more money or twelve year old boys in speedos, then let them suffer the consequences.

Those who love liberty do not abide by government restrictions, the Catholic church loves government so now they get a taste of what we have put up with.

Smedley on February 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

CCRWM
Ah yes history, the real inconvenient truth!

angrymike on February 9, 2012 at 8:37 PM

we are at war. let me see you warface tom

rik on February 9, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Those who love liberty do not abide by government restrictions, the Catholic church loves government so now they get a taste of what we have put up with.

Smedley on February 9, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Silly imo.

Mimzey on February 9, 2012 at 8:42 PM

The problem with saying stuff like this isn’t the possibility that it’s untrue, ie. Obama really does have wicked motives. The problem is that saying this kind of stuff blunts the call to action. Who cares about the motive, Tom, when the net result is itself evil? The world is filled with graves dug because of people who meant well.

Let the historians carefully parse motives later. Right now we are facing an existential threat to our freedoms, and we don’t need people like you bringing the whole advancing army to a halt because you want to inspect the shine of our shoes.

Nom de Boom on February 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I’ve voted for Senators in 4 states in my lifetime in both conservative & liberal environs. Personally, I would prefer if EVERY state sent at least one Senator to DC with the same convictions as Sen. Coburn. He didn’t earn the nickname “Senator No” because he rolled over.

Being diplomatic and sticking to your conservative principles are NOT mutually exclusive.

Tar Heel Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I”m getting really tired of Coburn. He’s becoming a damp rag.

jan3 on February 9, 2012 at 8:52 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,”
I really wish they would stop this. They are not “well meaning”. They’re evil and corrupt.
darwin on February 9, 2012 at 7:24 PM

That’s right. It is what is consistently overlooked in the ongoing debate of socialism versus individual liberty. There is nothing inherently wrong with Socialism. It is not violent. It does not include grinding up of puppies and bunny rabbits. It is simply a sharing of all of the assets. That’s fine. But, what it requires is full participation within the population.

Certain communal things work. Even though I disagree with his characterization of it, I’ll go with Roger Gooddell calling the NFL socialist a couple weeks ago. Of course, that’s more of a franchising system, but okay. Point taken.

However, the point where every large scale dalliance in communism/socialism goes off the rails is when it attempts to address those who do not wish to partake in the effort. If we, as a country, decided to cut the USA in half and let the Dems go ruin themselves on the West coast while we restored the republic in the east…it could work. But we all know that ain’t happenin anytime soon.

So, you’re Johnny Dogooder and you want the US to be socialist? Tea Partier bigots don’t want to fall in line? You have to MAKE them fall in line. Tyranny. It’s the natural outcome when anyone seeks to implement a socialist regime on unwilling participants. That kid was not standing in front of the tank in Tiannamen Square because he was bored. He was standing up to tyrants that would tell you they know what’s best for him better than he knows himself.

This is the natural result…and the sooner the “gosh golly he seems nice enough” folks like Coburn realize it, the further down the field we can advance the ball of liberty.

CycloneCDB on February 9, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Idiots like this on our side is why we’re losing this country.

squint on February 9, 2012 at 7:44 PM

A lot of people seem to forget that Tom Coburn was Barack Obama’s best friend in 2008.

Sen. Coburn pulls out this tired old “You dumb people don’t understand my friend Obama” schtick every couple months or so.

tetriskid on February 9, 2012 at 9:01 PM

It is going to have to be very blatant… Have any of us ever in our lifetime here in the USA seen anything like what has happed in the last 10 years and especailly in the last 3? Are we going to be willing to live the existence these people have planned out for us? I’m not some crazy conspiracy theorist, I just know history and am not keen on repeating it…

CCRWM on February 9, 2012 at 8:18 PM

I agree. It will be massive. The system is not prepared for bald-faced corruption. The oversight does not exist.

In Wisconsin and the recall effort, the only requirements were that mandatory, were that a person be 18..not a felon and live in the state for 28 days…and then the system to check the signatures just basically said.. “Aw screw it..good enough”.

Its not looking good for the general election in Nov. We are dealing with organized crime and a naive and disconnected populace.

Mimzey on February 9, 2012 at 9:04 PM

“This is blown out of proportion,” he said.

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said.

The Senator’s remarks have a bit of an apothetic ring in them to me. Has displaying a little passion been outlawed too? Reminds me of Mitch Daniels SOTU rebuttal. I think they all could use a Dale Carnegie course. Geeesh…

lynncgb on February 9, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Is this whole thing a diversionary tactic??? By having this take most of the time online and Obumber is working on some other project. Islam,Iran,oil drilling,global heating/cooling etc.etc.etc.

tomyj1 on February 9, 2012 at 9:10 PM

It’s a Fabian Fail, the Catholic Church isn’t just any other religious institution. Obama thinks he’s gonna trump the Pope? That messiah crap really has gone to his head. I hope the church sends reinforcements send the Jesuits.

Dr Evil on February 9, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Colburn has been leaning progressive for the last few years.

I DON’T TRUST HIM ANYMORE!

He likes Obama. Thinks he’s a good man. I say Colburn has turned and still playing within the party!!!

katy on February 9, 2012 at 9:17 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people.”

“Morons. I’ve got morons on my team.” ~~ Percy Garris, ex-patriate American miner, in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)

RedPepper on February 9, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Coburn is right on all counts.

Including, yes, the liberals are “well-meaning.” Completely wrong, but well-meaning. Because they think what they’re doing is the right thing to do. Being completely, horribly wrong about the proper scope and role of government doesn’t make one evil. It just makes one… completely wrong. And yes, we should fight against these policies. But conservatives ought not go around calling liberals “evil” and so on, because it most certainly won’t win over any converts or persuade the independents to tip more conservative. I’m pretty sure Reagan never called Democrats “evil.” (That term was reserved for foreign enemies of the country.) He won people over with optimism, wit, and steadfastness in his own convictions.

acasilaco on February 9, 2012 at 9:29 PM

We can add this to the many reasons for term limits. He has been in long enough to think they are well meaning.

Falling debris on February 9, 2012 at 9:34 PM

“There’s nothing wrong with their motivation — they’re well-meaning people,” he said. “But the consequence is that we lose liberty.”

The tyranny of the do-gooder. But IMHO it isn’t about do-gooders it is about raw power and a misguided (dare I say evil) progressive philosophy. I’m not willing to extend them the benefit of the doubt anymore.

chemman on February 9, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Boomer_Sooner on February 9, 2012 at 7:40 PM

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Ever wonder where this proverb came from? It doesn’t matter how sincere they are since the underlying philosophy they operate by always leads to death and destruction. Sometimes rapidly, sometimes slowly but inevitably death and destruction is the end result.

chemman on February 9, 2012 at 9:47 PM

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