Abandon ship: At least five Senate Democrats now oppose Obama’s new contraception rule

posted at 4:20 pm on February 9, 2012 by Allahpundit

ABC says Lieberman, Manchin, Casey, and both Nelsons (Bill and Ben) have headed for the lifeboats, but I think that count’s already outdated. According to Fox News’s Chad Pergram, John Kerry also thinks the new rule “needs to be compromised, adjusted.” If all six vote with the GOP caucus to either repeal the rule or expand the conscience exemption, then McConnell starts with 53 votes, but since Scott Brown’s been desperate lately to show he’s as good a Democrat as Elizabeth Warren, in reality it’s probably only 52. Even with pressure mounting on swing-staters like Tester and McCaskill, it’s hard to believe they’ll get to 60. Which means unless The One reverses himself on this, nothing’s likely to happen.

Any reason to believe he might? Yup: According to ABC, some of the most influential members of his cabinet think the rule is a very bad idea.

“What are we doing here?” asked Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, stepping outside his wheelhouse to ask about a rising storm involving the Obama administration and the Catholic Church. “What’s the point?”…

The debate within the White House on this issue was, sources say, heated, and President Obama was legitimately torn. Panetta wasn’t alone in his concerns. For months, Vice President Joe Biden and then-White House chief of staff Bill Daley argued internally against the rule, sources tell ABC News. Biden and Daley didn’t think the rule was right on either the policy or the politics, sources said. Joshua Dubois, head of the Office of Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships, also expressed concern…

In the fall, [Planned Parenthood's Cecile] Richards brought in polling indicating that the American people overwhelmingly supported the birth control benefit in health insurance. She also highlighted statistics showing the overwhelming use of birth control.

The Vice President and others argued that this wouldn’t be seen as an issue of contraception – it would be seen as an issue of religious liberty. They questioned the polling of the rule advocates, arguing that it didn’t explain the issue in full, it ignored the question of what religious groups should have to pay for. And they argued that women voters for whom this was an important issue weren’t likely to vote for Mitt Romney, who has drawn a strong anti-abortion line as a presidential candidate, saying he would end federal funding to Planned Parenthood and supporting a “personhood” amendment that defines life as beginning at the moment of fertilization.

We’re in deep, deep trouble when Joe Biden is the voice of reason within the inner circle. Follow the link and see who he was up against on the other side: Planned Parenthood, Sebelius, Barbara Boxer — and David Plouffe, who no doubt was eyeing turnout among young O-bots and women in swing states. Why either of those groups would stay home over a slightly expanded religious-conscience exemption to contraception coverage under ObamaCare, I have no idea. Leftist groups will be too busy this summer painting Romney or Santorum as the new Hitler to agitate against Obama for expanding the exemption; besides, as we know from their changing opinions on Gitmo and drone strikes, they’re willing to cut O a lot of slack when it comes to betraying the cause. In fact, it’s the GOP’s base that desperately needs rallying, not the Democrats’. A PPP poll taken two weeks ago found that there are more Dems who are “very excited” to vote this fall than Republicans, no doubt a byproduct of despair over Romney on the right. If O had quietly granted a robust exemption on contraception to religiously-affiliated groups, he’d probably have had to weather a few weeks of grumbling from the left before the issue faded. Instead he handed the GOP a juicy culture-war issue to energize conservatives and left a flaming bag of shinola on the porch of all the religious liberals who went to bat for O-Care on the assumption that he wouldn’t force contraception coverage down their throats. Oops.

Here’s Marco Rubio on Fox this morning alongside Joe Manchin, whom I forgot in yesterday’s roll call of swing-state Democrats who are nervous about the new rule. He and Rubio are co-sponsoring legislation to repeal it. Like I say, I doubt they’ll have the votes, but the politics of a centrist Democrat joining up with a tea-party senator to challenge them is pure poison for the White House among undecideds.


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Mandates for catholics: bad

Mandates for everyone else: good

Wait. What?

lorien1973 on February 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Jam this baseball bat straight up Obama’s ass.

Make this worthless idiot eat another one.

NoDonkey on February 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM

but since Scott Brown’s been desperate lately to show he’s as good a Democrat as Elizabeth Warren, in reality it’s probably only 52.

nice backhand at Scotty B, Allah.

Hey scott, tell your daughters to stop emailing me about your friggin’ campaign, would ya? Not a friggin’ chance in Beantown!!

ted c on February 9, 2012 at 4:22 PM

The details are important, yes, but the more lasting legacy of this is symbolic of totalitarians run amok.

John the Libertarian on February 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Common sense is Oblumbers kryptonite.

NapaConservative on February 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Conscience in this case translates as – “I’m worried about being re-elected”.

CorporatePiggy on February 9, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Hey – moron Democrats…it doesn’t matter. YOU ALREADY GAVE HIM THE APPARATUS TO DO THIS ON HIS OWN. You had to pass the bill to find out what’s in it. Well – this is what was in it!

I love all of the hand wringing over this. It’s simply posturing on their part – because if they TRULY hated this – they would be talking about repealing the bill that gave him the power to do this.

CycloneCDB on February 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

NoDonkey on February 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM

bathouse barry might just enjoy that.

GhoulAid on February 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

The Vice President and others argued that this wouldn’t be seen as an issue of contraception – it would be seen as an issue of religious liberty.

Does anyone seriously think Joe Biden is capable of making this sophisticated of an argument?

aquaviva on February 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Even John Kerry?

philoquin on February 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

“The debate within the White House on this issue was, sources say, heated, and President Obama was legitimately torn.”

Yeah, I can believe President Checkbox had trouble here. I guess he figured the middle choice, the one where Catholics et al. had one year to come to terms with violating there consciences, was the proper one wherein a targeted constituency would stifle themselves in due course after they laid back and just tried to enjoy it. Fealty to the Constitution was never a concern.

AnonymousDrivel on February 9, 2012 at 4:26 PM

The only voice Obama cares to listen to is Valerie Jarrett’s.

ButterflyDragon on February 9, 2012 at 4:27 PM

“What are we doing here?” asked Defense Secretary Leon Panetta

and the SECDEF is involved in this …..why????

ted c on February 9, 2012 at 4:27 PM

…”headed for the life boats.”
What are they wearing?…Condoms, or life jackets?

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2012 at 4:27 PM

If any of you haven’t seen Marco Rubio’s speech at GOPAC in the other other thread addressing this issue and smacking Obowma upside the head with it…

… it is a must see!

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Hey moron Republicans . . .introduce a bill to repeal Obamacare . . .PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pragmatic on February 9, 2012 at 4:28 PM

We’re in deep, deep trouble when Joe Biden is the voice of reason within the inner circle.

Not for the first time I’m wondering if Obama is suffering from a nervous breakdown. It’s the only thing that makes any sense.

crazy_legs on February 9, 2012 at 4:28 PM

What does Senate opposition matter?

As 0bama has shown time and again, Congress is no more than an advisory committee; 0bama will do what he wants.

Bomb Libya? Just do it.

Appoint pro-union radicals to the NLRB? Just do it.

Trample on religious charities? Apparently only churches need to observe that wall between church and state described by New Dealer Hugo Black.

MidniteRambler on February 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Scott Brown walking the tightrope. Although Mass is ultra liberal, they’re also massively catholic.

John Kerry made the right choice.

Brown is a naive Rookie.

WisRich on February 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Sorry…

… CPAC.

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM

left a flaming bag of shinola on the porch of all the religious liberals who went to bat for O-Care

but you repeat yourself…

ted c on February 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Vote on it already, Congress.

Then force the Senate to bring it up.

Put them all on record.

Otherwise Obama might forbid the consumption of pork, because it offends Muslims, just as one example.

Schadenfreude on February 9, 2012 at 4:29 PM

Anyone watching CPAC Cal Thomas on CSpan ?
It is really getting interesting …

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I highly doubt Obama will reverse himself on this. What little ‘non-present’ voting record we have on him illustrates where he falls on this issue.

I will also say that if the GOP doesn’t move Heaven and Earth to get rid of this provision, the demoralization of the conservative base (already not very energetic as you note, AP) will be worth every penny to the President’s reelection chances.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM

big deal…at least 5 democrats oppose him on any topic.

albill on February 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Funny what an election year will do to career senate democrats.

jukin3 on February 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM

AnonymousDrivel at 4:26 PM: “…their consciences…”

Yeesh.

AnonymousDrivel on February 9, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Even John Kerry?

philoquin on February 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

He doesn’t have to head for the lifeboat…he has a yacht he is trying to pay taxes on!

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

We’re in deep, deep trouble when Joe Biden is the voice of reason within the inner circle.

Oy vey!

rbj on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Well tomorrow IS Friday. Could the dump be bho has seen the light and will do his dandy eo again to stop this?

The week-end is upon us and by golly bho has worked SOOOO hard all week, golf, golf, party, golf?
L

letget on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

“…Scott Brown’s been desperate lately to show he’s as good a Democrat as Elizabeth Warren…”

Remember all those people who ran out logged on and bought domain names like ScottBrown2012.com after Brown won “Ted Kennedy’s seat”? What do you suppose those Scott Brown for POTUS site names are worth now?

MidniteRambler on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Abandon ship: At least five Senate Democrats now oppose Obama’s new contraception rule

Who’s CAPT Schettino in this one? The democrats, or Obama?

ted c on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Gee, it’s kinda bfd with Lieberman and Ben Nelson since they’re both retiring and so have nothing to lose. As for the rest–how soon before the Obamathugs get to them threatening loss of DNC support or cracked knees (ala Obamascare and the Stupidak coalition) to change their minds and just shut up?

stukinIL4now on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

He doesn’t have to head for the lifeboat…he has a yacht he is trying to pay taxes on!

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

or not…..

ted c on February 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Not for the first time I’m wondering if Obama is suffering from a nervous breakdown. It’s the only thing that makes any sense.

crazy_legs on February 9, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Or Restless Leg Syndrome.

Whatever it is, something ’bout him ain’t right.

BobMbx on February 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

AP is way too pessimistic on the Senate headcount. Stabenow, Landrieu and Pryor are terrified of the backlash over this; and Durbin is hearing footsteps as well. Menendez may be next.

Everyone keep calling your members of the House and Senate, both parties. Obama will not back down until there is a sustained political firestorm.

matthew8787 on February 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Mandates for catholics: bad

Mandates for everyone else: good

Wait. What?

lorien1973 on February 9, 2012 at 4:21 PM

This is about more than mandates on Catholics. We’re talking about the government now forcing religions (any religion by precedent) to violate their conscience if it conflicts with administration policy.

The only reason this became the Line That Must Not Be Crossed is because the Catholic Church (my church, for disclosure purposes) had the institutional resources to slam the hammer on the policy’s fingers.

amerpundit on February 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

There is nothing “new” in this. It was all part of the plan when Obamacare was written. They lied about the law no one read so they bought the lie. For every one that jump ship others will be fight even harder to keep it mandated.

Every little fight that the radicals lose shows that they can never win the big fights. If this little rule change is hard there is no way they can force single payer or the take over of the oil industry or all IPs on the internet.

tjexcite on February 9, 2012 at 4:34 PM

The only voice Obama cares to listen to is Valerie Jarrett’s.

ButterflyDragon on February 9, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Can’t hear her as her mouth is always full.

Wade on February 9, 2012 at 4:35 PM

We’re talking about the government now forcing religions (any religion by precedent) to violate their conscience if it conflicts with administration policy.

Pretty similar to the “buy this or go to jail” mandate.

lorien1973 on February 9, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Put Claire McCaskill on the record, loud and clear!!!

Schadenfreude on February 9, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Carper of Delaware is getting an earful as well, and he is up for re-election and doesn’t want to endanger a sure thing.

matthew8787 on February 9, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Focus on what this is. It is way bigger than religion, abortion and contraception; it is about loss of freedom, the constitution and increased dictatorship.

Schadenfreude on February 9, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Anyone watching CPAC Cal Thomas on CSpan ?
It is really getting interesting …

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM

It suxs that we don’t have a TV. I want Cal Thomas to adopt me.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

He doesn’t have to head for the lifeboat…he has a yacht in Rhode Island he is trying to avoid paying taxes on!

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM

FIFY Koolio

NapaConservative on February 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

big deal…at least 5 democrats oppose him on any topic.

albill on February 9, 2012 at 4:30 PM

I wish five had disagreed on CCB.

Kataklysmic on February 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

If O had quietly granted a robust exemption on contraception to religiously-affiliated groups, he’d probably have had to weather a few weeks of grumbling from the left before the issue faded.

but that would have exposed the Fast and Furious and other such stuff in the media, which would have been so harmful to Obama .

Instead he handed the GOP a juicy culture-war issue to energize conservatives

Very short term , he is distracting us from his warlust

and left a flaming bag of shinola on the porch of all the religious liberals who went to bat for O-Care on the assumption that he wouldn’t force contraception coverage down their throats.

They are liberals first and liberals exclusively, they will stick with their chosen one and Obama is counting on it. He knows them inside out

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Question: What is the parliamentary procedure in the Senate to even get a Senate bill on the calendar against the wishes of the President (Pro-Tem or otherwise)?

Unless it’s fairly easy, I don’t think Reid will allow this to even get to the floor.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 4:38 PM

left a flaming bag of shinola on the porch of all the religious liberals who went to bat for O-Care on the assumption that he wouldn’t force contraception coverage down their throats.

You dance with the devil, you get burned.

squint on February 9, 2012 at 4:38 PM

Maybe the GOP should start calling this contraception rule “the protection of 19-year-old interns from Democratic presidents” rule.

BuckeyeSam on February 9, 2012 at 4:39 PM

It suxs that we don’t have a TV. I want Cal Thomas to adopt me.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2012 at 4:37 PM

It is streaming live :
http://www.therightscoop.com/watch-cpac-2012-live-stream/

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

John Kerry also thinks the new rule “needs to be compromised, adjusted.”

Swift boater just cued the pre-planned climbdown. Friday dump coming from one of the assistant teen-age WH communication directors on live with Marty Bashir: “this is what is so amazing about Prez O, he is all about compromise & the will of the American people…. Such a contrast to the racist do nothing congress…”

drivingtheview on February 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Pretty similar to the “buy this or go to jail” mandate.

lorien1973 on February 9, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Yeah, but government trying to control religions strikes a nerve for many in a way that arguments over the Commerce Clause and federal regulatory powers don’t.

amerpundit on February 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

I just looked it up. Native American Indians, Muslims, Amish, Chrisian Scientists, and Scientologists are all EXEMPT from Obama Care altogether. The only major religions in the US not exempted are Christians and Jews.

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Conscience.

Don’t make me laugh.

If they had conscience, they outlaw abortion.

davidk on February 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM

OT Hot new model is a MAN. Who fell for it? http://themorningspew.com/2012/02/09/hot-new-model-is-a-man/

bloggless on February 9, 2012 at 4:42 PM

NightOwl: Source?

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 4:43 PM

For those of you still wondering if Obama is incompetent or a malign manipulator, this situation clearly shows the nature of authoritarian rule: incompetence. Authoritarianism has a tin ear when it comes to gauging the pulse of the electorate. Authoritarianism is socially inept and in a totalitarian society, the only game in town; but in a republic, there are moments like this when authoritarian rulers are shown in their flaming-dress audacity.

EMD on February 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM

For those of you still wondering if Obama is incompetent or a malign manipulator

EMD on February 9, 2012 at 4:44 PM

It’s looking like he’s both.

Kataklysmic on February 9, 2012 at 4:46 PM

Anyone know when Jindal is speaking @ CPAC?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2012 at 4:48 PM

I just looked it up. Native American Indians, Muslims, Amish, Chrisian Scientists, and Scientologists are all EXEMPT from Obama Care altogether. The only major religions in the US not exempted are Christians and Jews.

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Yet we still have people asking ” Is Obama a socialist ”
when the question should be :
” Is Obama shiite or sunni or wahabi ?”

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 4:48 PM

I just looked it up. Native American Indians, Muslims, Amish, Chrisian Scientists, and Scientologists are all EXEMPT from Obama Care altogether. The only major religions in the US not exempted are Christians and Jews.

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 4:41 PM

Wouldn’t that be another avenue of unconstitutionally to fight the whole thing on? Why are only christians and jews subjected to this law? I couldn’t find wheter LDS were considered Christian for this purpose so I guess they are.

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Or Restless Leg Syndrome.

BobMbx on February 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

I thought that was Chrissee Matthews over at PMSDNC…

oldleprechaun on February 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Anyone know when Jindal is speaking @ CPAC?

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2012 at 4:48 PM

Saturday Morning at 9:00AM.

He gets 15 minutes on the schedule.

Bluray on February 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

HE is taking policy advice from Anita Dunn…

d1carter on February 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Bluray on February 9, 2012 at 4:50 PM

Damn! I’ll be @ work.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 9, 2012 at 4:51 PM

start bailing gentlemen….

faster

FASTER!!

Tim_CA on February 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

I guess we should have known that Murder Inc. would be involved in this.

Dingy will block this no matter how many democratic senators are for it.

slickwillie2001 on February 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

NightOwl: Source?

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Let me state right up front, I am no canopfor or Flora Duh. All I did was Bing Obama Care Religious Exemption and it took me to a site called snopes.

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

It is streaming live :
http://www.therightscoop.com/watch-cpac-2012-live-stream/

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Or people can access an actual legal stream on the CPAC website. ACU is the organization allowed to give access to the stream, so unless rightscoop was given permission from ACU to use it, we should be directing people to CPAC.

It is also available as a stream on cspan.org

Bluray on February 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

If giving away the pill is such a sure fire way to control unwanted pregnancies then where did 400,000 fetus’s come from?

iam7545 on February 9, 2012 at 4:54 PM

Yet we still have people asking ” Is Obama a socialist ”
when the question should be :
” Is Obama shiite or sunni or wahabi ?”

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 4:48 PM

You got that right. Scientologists!

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Even with pressure mounting on swing-staters like Tester and McCaskill, it’s hard to believe they’ll get to 60. Which means unless The One reverses himself on this, nothing’s likely to happen.

McConnell had damn well better try.

Make Reid block it from coming up for a vote, or let the vote go down, but MAKE AN EFFORT!

I would be more inclined to vote for the R’s if I had at least seen them try to do the right thing, even if they fail. And I would be much less inclined to vote for a D if they are trying to prevent the right thing from happening. Is that so complicated?

iurockhead on February 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM

NightOwl: I don’t think you can fight ObamaCare on this, specifically, because what snopes.com is discussing is that a Muslim person does not have to pay the fine associated with ObamaCare’s individual mandate because he or she has a conscientious objection to insurance.

This deals with Catholic (and other) employers who do not want to be required to offer insurance that covers birth control to their employees.

Now, there is a possible option. If the Catholic Church, for example, clarifies that it is a sin to purchase insurance that covers birth control, then the fact that all insurance plans must cover birth control under ObamaCare would allow Catholics to take a conscientious objection to paying the fine, in the exact same manner as Muslims.

At that point, if that objection is not allowed, then a Catholic would have standing to bring it to the courts, if I understand the situation correctly.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Also, that snopes.com article also ends with stating that it is doubtful whether or not Muslims would qualify for the conscientious objection, based on their past performance.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

This one is not going to end well for anybody. From a political view point this is certainly going to stir up the religious base, but really for those that have no religion it’s a mute point. They just want free birth control and see the republicans as those who are keeping them from the free stuff. And whether people like it or not they vote too. The Obama administration has no conscious, so forget about that argument, it is a pure numbers game for these guys.

DDay on February 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Rubio looks like a member of the Lollipop Guild next to Manchin. Props to both for doing what is right.

GoodSamaritan on February 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

Maybe sitting in Rev. Wright’s church for twenty years did have an effect after all…?

Seven Percent Solution on February 9, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I turned on CSPAN and I’m not seeing CPAC? What gives?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Key West Reader on February 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

mute/moot

DDay on February 9, 2012 at 5:10 PM

It is also available as a stream on cspan.org

Bluray on February 9, 2012 at 4:53 PM

thank you!!!!!

Key West Reader on February 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Now, there is a possible option. If the Catholic Church, for example, clarifies that it is a sin to purchase insurance that covers birth control, then the fact that all insurance plans must cover birth control under ObamaCare would allow Catholics to take a conscientious objection to paying the fine, in the exact same manner as Muslims.

At that point, if that objection is not allowed, then a Catholic would have standing to bring it to the courts, if I understand the situation correctly.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Thanks. It just bothers me that the government can create these programs that exempt so many, and seem to target Christians and Jews. I wonder what those other religions do when they get sick or injured. Do they not use our health care system?

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Hey – moron Democrats…it doesn’t matter. YOU ALREADY GAVE HIM THE APPARATUS TO DO THIS ON HIS OWN. You had to pass the bill to find out what’s in it. Well – this is what was in it!

I love all of the hand wringing over this. It’s simply posturing on their part – because if they TRULY hated this – they would be talking about repealing the bill that gave him the power to do this.

CycloneCDB on February 9, 2012 at 4:25 PM

You can pick a Democrat out in a crowd. They’re the ones with brown lips.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Also, that snopes.com article also ends with stating that it is doubtful whether or not Muslims would qualify for the conscientious objection, based on their past performance.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

Snopes is a Soros site

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

The contraception mandate and allowing the Chinese to join Canada in their pipeline endeaver are two (2) perfect examples proof that Obama is without doubt the most incompetent person to ever sit in the White House.

volsense on February 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

I turned on CSPAN and I’m not seeing CPAC? What gives?

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Key West Reader on February 9, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Try HERE.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 5:16 PM

It is not their conscience that is bothering them, it is their re-election chances. Each and everyone of them voted for obamacare knowing that the abortion language was in the bill because the republicans complained loud and long about it. They want to stay where they can do the most harm to our nation.

dunce on February 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Rubio added his view that this is “the first time” an administration has clashed with faiths over matters of conscience and said if the president doesn’t change his mind on the issue, “we [Congress] will have to do it for him.”

IMPEACH OBAMA

maverick muse on February 9, 2012 at 5:20 PM

This one is not going to end well for anybody. From a political view point this is certainly going to stir up the religious base, but really for those that have no religion it’s a mute point. They just want free birth control and see the republicans as those who are keeping them from the free stuff. And whether people like it or not they vote too. The Obama administration has no conscious, so forget about that argument, it is a pure numbers game for these guys.

DDay on February 9, 2012 at 5:05 PM

The major miscalculation here DDay is that religious people vote more often and more fervently than secularists, and this means infinitely more to them than yet more free stuff from Obama does to secularists.

A massive supermajority of America believes in God, and Obama already had a lock on atheists, who are not a swing vote. Catholics are. Protestant denominations that found schools and hospitals are. Jews that found schools and hospitals are.

Electorally this is the dumbest move he could make, and The Catholic Church is going to make him pay in a Mondale-esque wipeout.

BKennedy on February 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

burrata: I was only analyzing the information on the site that someone else found.

I am not saying I agree with the language of the bill. Far from it. I find it… risible at best that certain groups can be exempted from ObamaCare and not others. That should immediately trigger a court challenge for the individual mandate.

However, no matter your feelings on the matter, it is impossible to legally argue that because individuals can be exempted from obtaining insurance under ObamaCare for conscience reasons, businesses can be exempted from offering insurance under ObamaCare for conscience reasons.

You can argue that the law should allow such exemptions, but you cannot argue that the law does allow such exemptions.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 5:24 PM

A massive supermajority of America believes in God, and Obama already had a lock on atheists, who are not a swing vote. Catholics are. Protestant denominations that found schools and hospitals are. Jews that found schools and hospitals are.

Electorally this is the dumbest move he could make, and The Catholic Church is going to make him pay in a Mondale-esque wipeout.

BKennedy on February 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

But do Protestants and Jews feel as strongly about contraception as the Catholics? If no, then it’s just the Catholics against the Muslims.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

He doesn’t have to head for the lifeboat…he has a yacht he is trying to pay taxes on!

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2012 at 4:32 PM
or not…..

ted c on February 9, 2012 at 4:33 PM

(I never use a sarc tag…that way the liberals don’t get mad…and think, I’m in the same herd as them.)Last time I checked…the ‘boat’ was still docked in RI…’getting worked on”!

KOOLAID2 on February 9, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Scott Brown is still hoping to vote to repeal Obama Care it is on his website. He wants to repeal the Medical Device Tax

and:

Feb 09 2012
Sen. Brown Calls For Protection Of Religious Liberty

Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Scott Brown (R-MA) issued the following statement on the Department of Health and Human Services mandate under the 2010 health care law that religious organizations either participate in health care plans that violate their religious beliefs or face punitive fines:

“One of our most cherished liberties is freedom of religion. Like Ted Kennedy before me, I support a conscience exemption for religious organizations in health care. No one should be forced by government to violate the teachings of their faith. I encourage President Obama to re-examine his health care law and make sure no one is being forced to do something that is contrary to their religious beliefs.”

Fleuries on February 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Moron’s not backing off on this one.

While asked about this in the press, Obama refused to address the question and said “Come on, guys!”, per Norah O’Donnell’s Twitter feed.

Of all the issues he could choose to stake his re-election campaign on, this is not the one I’d have expected him to stick his neck out over.

teke184 on February 9, 2012 at 5:28 PM

You can pick a Democrat out in a crowd. They’re the ones with brown lips.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Marxist Democrats with a narcissism disorder have purple lips.

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Key West Reader on February 9, 2012 at 5:30 PM

timberline: Historically speaking, they do not. The Jews are reliably Democrat voters, as I understand it.

Protestant voters, I would think, are fairly reliable Republican voters.

Catholics are the ‘independents’ of the Judeo-Christian crowd, and so anything that disproportionately angers Catholics will probably have a larger impact on electoral politics.

Scott H on February 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Snopes is a Soros site

burrata on February 9, 2012 at 5:15 PM

I did not know that. It was the first one on the list. I will avoid them in the future!

Night Owl on February 9, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Electorally this is the dumbest move he could make, and The Catholic Church is going to make him pay in a Mondale-esque wipeout.

BKennedy on February 9, 2012 at 5:22 PM

Hope your correct in your assertion, but a lot of Catholics voted for him the first go around and they were using birth control then.

DDay on February 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

But do Protestants and Jews feel as strongly about contraception as the Catholics? If no, then it’s just the Catholics against the Muslims.

timberline on February 9, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Why Catholics against the moslims? I doubt very seriously that moslem women are permitted birth control at all.

Which gives rise to a question: Would this “mandate” force the female moslem population through mosques, islamic schools and islamic charities into birth control and abortion? Would it force moslem institutions to foot the bill?

Key West Reader on February 9, 2012 at 5:34 PM

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