Report: Dependence on government up 23 percent under President Obama

posted at 3:45 pm on February 8, 2012 by Tina Korbe

President Barack Obama has proved his adeptness at exploiting the vote pump: Dependence on government has increased by 23 percent under his administration, according to the Heritage Foundation 2012 Index of Dependence on Government.

More people than ever before — 67.3 million Americans — depend on the federal government for housing, food, income, student aid or other assistance. Consider: The nation committed more than 15 times the resources in 2010 than in 1962 to pay for people who depend on the government. More than 70 percent of the nation’s spending goes to dependence programs, up from 28.3 percent in 1962 and 48.5 percent in 1990. The Index grew 8.1 percent in 2010 alone.

So, lest you think the increase in dependence stems primarily from temporary, recession-related rises in flexible spending programs like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, note well that increased dependence has been a steady trend for the entire decade the Heritage Foundation has released its index.

At the same time, the percentage of the population that pays no federal income taxes whatsoever has also increased. In 1984, just 14.8 percent of Americans — or 34.8 million tax filers — paid no federal income taxes; in 2009, 49.5 percent — or 151.7 million tax filers — paid nothing.

Also coincidentally, individuals and local entities now provide less assistance to needy members of society today than they have historically. Before World War II, mutual-aid, religious and education organizations once provided the majority of housing assistance and financial aid; after World War II, the federal and state governments began to provide the bulk of low-cost housing and financial help. Same story with health care.

Heritage experts Bill Beach and Patrick Tyrell explain why government assistance is less conducive of human flourishing than the help civil society historically provided:

This shift from local, community-based, mutual-aid assistance to anonymous government payments has clearly altered the relationship between the receiver and the provider of the assistance. In the past, a person in need depended on help from people and organizations in his or her local community. The community representatives were generally aware of the person’s needs and tailored the assistance to meet those needs within the community’s budgetary constraints. Today, housing and other needs are addressed by government employees to whom the person in need is a complete stranger, and who have few or no ties to the community in which the needy person lives.

Both cases of aid involve a dependent relationship. However, support provided by families, churches, and other civil society groups aims to restore a person to full flourishing and personal responsibility, and, ultimately, to be able to aid another person in turn. This kind of reciprocal expectation does not characterize the dependent relationship with the political system. The former relationship is essential to the existence of civil society itself. The latter is usually based on one-sided aid without accountability for a person’s regained responsibility for self and toward his community. Indeed, the “success” of such government programs is frequently measured by the program’s growth rather than by whether it helps recipients to escape dependence. While the dependent relationship with civil society leads to a balance between the interests of the needy person and the community, the dependent relationship with the government runs the risk of generating political pressure from interest groups—such as health care organizations, nonprofit organizations, and the aid recipients themselves—to expand and cement federal support.

The Index points to two crucial steps the nation needs to take: We need to (a) reweave the fabric of civil society, strengthening and appreciating the ties that bind, rather than finding them restrictive and (b) REFORM ENTITLEMENTS!

At this point, it’s useless to debate whether the weakening of civil society led to increased government involvement or the other way around; it’s just time to rebuild a sense of community from the ground up. Here’s an idea: If you don’t already have this kind of relationship with your neighbors, offer to loan ‘em an egg if they ever need one! I’m not joking. If we’re serious about not wanting the government to interfere in our lives, then we can’t afford to live in a bubble, oblivious to the needs of those around us. I know it gets old to contribute endlessly and you’re probably tired of it; you probably already do more than your part — plus pay taxes. But a little more can’t hurt! Mobility and technology make it all too easy to zone out; please don’t. As this Index makes clear, we’re already paying the price for our own negligence.


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Thank God it’s only halftime in America.

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 3:47 PM

“Another first for PBHO!”

-leftist MSM bootlickers

Bishop on February 8, 2012 at 3:48 PM

“Oh there’s a big surprise! That’s an incredible – I think I’m going to have a heart attack and die of not surprise!” -Iago

ElectricPhase on February 8, 2012 at 3:48 PM

NO ONE WILL KNOW!

KOOLAID2 on February 8, 2012 at 3:48 PM

“I desperately need another 4 more years. The country needs me” – BO

Electrongod on February 8, 2012 at 3:48 PM

23% more votes for Obama…

right2bright on February 8, 2012 at 3:48 PM

Thank You Precedent Obama.

HumpBot Salvation on February 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM

“Mission Accomplished!”

– Barack Obama

rockmom on February 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Increasing government dependence while simultaneously making the government far less competent. Could anything possibly go wrong?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
[ ] We should think about this, by which I mean golf

JeremiahJohnson on February 8, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Serfs created by democrat policy. Bow to your royals.

tom daschle concerned on February 8, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Get the masses hungry, scared, and dependent on government handouts.

My collie says:

Hmmm. Now where have we seen THAT before?

CyberCipher on February 8, 2012 at 3:50 PM

The consequnces of LBJ’s Great Society.

Bitter Clinger on February 8, 2012 at 3:50 PM

How’s that hope n change workin’ out?

locomotivebreath1901 on February 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM

To the marxist, this is a good first step.

rbj on February 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM

I’m reminded of the joke Reagan used to tell.

Two men in the Soviet Union were walking along one day talking.

The one man asked the other, “So is this it? Have we achieved full communism?”

And the other replied, “Oh, hell no. It gets much worse.”

Good Lt on February 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM

“freshface” is thrilled.

darwin on February 8, 2012 at 3:53 PM

I believe it’s also known as “The FDR Plan”

Odie1941 on February 8, 2012 at 3:53 PM

“fundamentally transform”

aquaviva on February 8, 2012 at 3:54 PM

While the dependent relationship with civil society leads to a balance between the interests of the needy person and the community, the dependent relationship with the government runs the risk of generating political pressure from interest groups—such as health care organizations, nonprofit organizations, and the aid recipients themselves—to expand and cement federal support.

As long as somebody’s cushy gov’mint job depends on servicing “the poor”, the poor will never go away.

catsandbooks on February 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM

It’s Bush’s fault. /s

totherightofthem on February 8, 2012 at 3:56 PM

This is CHANGE, baby!

Opposite Day on February 8, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Liberals measure success by how many people receive assistance, conservatives measure success by how many don’t need it.

(No idea who said that. If anyone can help me out with the source of that quote, I’d appreciate it.)

Lost in Jersey on February 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I wonder why the media hasn’t reported on the twenty odd energy and job bills sitting in the Senate that Harry Reid won’t bring up.

darwin on February 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Report: Dependence on government up 23 percent under President Obama

In other words: A Downgrade of independence under our dear El Presidente.

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Dependence is the goal of the Socialist elite. He who is dependent upon the State – is controlled by the State.

These people want absolute control us.

The healthcare mandate is the beginning of absolute control over us. Everything is touched by interstate commerce.

Everything.

OhEssYouCowboys on February 8, 2012 at 3:59 PM

” If we can get it up to 51% i’ll be reelected, let’s figure out how to send more jobs to China”!

Zero’ message to the demoRATS in congress!

angrymike on February 8, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Liberals measure success by how many people receive assistance, conservatives measure success by how many don’t need it.

(No idea who said that. If anyone can help me out with the source of that quote, I’d appreciate it.)

Lost in Jersey on February 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Don’t forget … another measure of success will be how many seniors are removed off ObamaCare rolls due to death by prescribing pain pills over treatment.

darwin on February 8, 2012 at 4:01 PM

49.5 percent — or 151.7 million tax filers — paid nothing.

That’s half the population, not the size of the workforce. Unless we want to tax babies and prisoners- which I am cool with.

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 4:01 PM

BHO said he was getting better and better at this..four more years, just think what he can do.

d1carter on February 8, 2012 at 4:02 PM

23% more votes for Obama…

right2bright on February 8, 2012 at 3:48 PM

That’s just his base. Add in all the liberals who are not on the dole and whoever we pick to run against Hussein is facing a huge block of votes to surpass. Main reason I laugh every time I hear Hannety/whoever on TV say that “… people are tired of Obama and will vote him out…” Simply stupid as is their arithmetic. Those “people” Hanney/Coulter/Rove and Co. are pointing to have no idea what Fast and Furious is, they want free HusseinMed, they want increased taxes so that their public handouts increase, they have no idea of other issues facing us as a nation because all they watch is MSLSD spouting lies and disinformation on flat screens purchased with government provided money.

This is going to be one tough and long year…

riddick on February 8, 2012 at 4:03 PM

Whoa there Tina. I heard how you said the word Dependence. Admit it that’s code for “boy” isn’t it?

angryed on February 8, 2012 at 4:04 PM

That’s half the population, not the size of the workforce. Unless we want to tax babies and prisoners- which I am cool with.

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 4:01 PM

Wrong. That’s 49.5% of all people who filed taxes paid $0 in taxes.
Nice try with a lying leftist talking point.

angryed on February 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you…”

Ya know, maybe JFK wasn’t the best president, wasn’t the best husband, shouldn’t have been left alone with any human without a johnson but at least he knew what team he was on.

turfmann on February 8, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Liberals measure success by how many people receive assistance, conservatives measure success by how many don’t need it.

(No idea who said that. If anyone can help me out with the source of that quote, I’d appreciate it.)

Lost in Jersey on February 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

Rush Limbaugh 20 years ago

Bevan on February 8, 2012 at 4:06 PM

Judging from the chart, government dependence spiked prior to Obama taking office (2008 perhaps?). Yeah, there’s a ton of government out there because the economy went off a cliff in October ’08 and both Bush and Obama had to put a bunch of money out there to assure we didn’t end up in another Great Depression.

Funny how you all conveniently overlook this very large, very relevant fact and just paint this as “Obama The Socialist” at work.

Tom_Shipley on February 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Whoa there Tina. I heard how you said the word Dependence. Admit it that’s code for “boy” isn’t it?

angryed on February 8, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Get the masses hungry, scared, and dependent on government handouts.

CyberCipher’s collie says:

Hey! Knock it off with that whistle! You’re hurting my ears!

turfmann on February 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

Report: Dependence on government up 23 percent under President Obama…OBOZO and his lunatic-left d-cRAT socialist extremists are careening American down their “Road to Hell” – which ends at the socialist entitlement state failure called “GREECE”.

TeaPartyNation on February 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Linked earlier in the Matt Lauer interview thread:

“Government dependence is all part of my plan, Matt.”– Barack Obama
http://news.investors.com/Article/600452/201202080802/government-dependence-jumps-under-president-obama.htm

onlineanalyst on February 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM

There is no question that Obama intends to destroy the middle class by expanding the dependency class.

onlineanalyst on February 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Wrong. That’s 49.5% of all people who filed taxes paid $0 in taxes.
Nice try with a lying leftist talking point.

angryed on February 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM

Whoa! I was pointing out that the math is wrong. 100% of the population does not work. I’m not disputing the fact that of those who do work, 49.5% pay 0 taxes in the least. I complain about it all the time.

I’ve been called alot of things, but never a leftist.

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM

Look kids! The soup line is shorter than the tax cut line!!

happy days!

ted c on February 8, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Judging from the chart, government dependence spiked prior to Obama taking office (2008 perhaps?). Yeah, there’s a ton of government out there because the economy went off a cliff in October ’08 and both Bush and Obama had to put a bunch of money out there to assure we didn’t end up in another Great Depression.

Funny how you all conveniently overlook this very large, very relevant fact and just paint this as “Obama The Socialist” at work.

Tom_Shipley on February 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I have no idea what chart you’re looking at. Every spike is higher in 2010.

Secondly, feel free to name anything Obama has done that isn’t socialist in nature.

darwin on February 8, 2012 at 4:11 PM

Tom_Shipley on February 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

No, it spiked in 2009, after he took office as that’s the last year on the chart. Did you look at any of the other charts showing growing dependence and expenditures into 2010? Thought not.

totherightofthem on February 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Serious question to those on the board that lean to the Left:

Given the Downgrade Course we’re on, How do we avoid going the way of Greece?

How do we avoid the fate that Benjamin Franklin brought up:

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Please ‘splain this to us all.

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Angryed
it is definitely code, Tina had better watch it, msn will have her name plastered everywhere.
Is Tina K a racist?
By some
dumb lib

angrymike on February 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

what better way to create Democrat voters than to hook people on the dope that they’ll one day beat you over the head with.

motives.

ted c on February 8, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Report: Dependence on government up 23 percent under President Obama

The hell you say!

Flora Duh on February 8, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Tom_Shipley on February 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

On what exactly do you base your Downgrade prevented a depression, talking point?

An alternative universe crystal ball by any chance?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:15 PM

freshface, libfreeordie and liberal4life all went out drinking to celebrate …

darwin on February 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM

You know this is coming…

“I might not be able to send you your check if I don’t get re-elected…” – Obowma

Seven Percent Solution on February 8, 2012 at 4:18 PM

This is Cloward Piven in full bloom. Complete with the rioting hoardes of stinking hippies and layabouts.

Just trust Obama. He knows what’s best, right?

/Roar!

Can this even be stopped at this point??

Key West Reader on February 8, 2012 at 4:18 PM

Whats wrong with it?

Your potential nominee is also a big government guy anyway.

liberal4life on February 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Clinton taxed the poor (gas tax, ss benefits) first;
Then he incentivized people/states to get off welfare to grow the economy.

Barry, well, sort of the polar opposite. Bad democrat. Bad! & stupid.

tomg51 on February 8, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Thank God it’s only halftime in America.

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 3:47 PM

We need to win one for the Gipper.

malclave on February 8, 2012 at 4:21 PM

Whats wrong with it?

Your potential nominee is also a big government guy anyway.

liberal4life on February 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM

This is all Greek to you isn’t it?

How do we avoid going that way?

How do we avoid the fate that Benjamin Franklin brought up:

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Please ‘splain this to us all.

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:21 PM

To the marxist, this is a good first step.

rbj on February 8, 2012 at 3:51 PM

Exactly- the near collapse of the American economic system and once in a lifetime balance sheet recession are not real factors.

First, you get everyone on welfare. It’s called collectivization of the masses and establishment of class warfare.
Second, you start nationalizing industries such as banks and automakers. Check.
Third, you ask people to quit their private sector careers and start working at government jobs for the ‘good of the country’. Coming soon.
Forth, you intentionally bankrupt healthy sectors of the economy and then nationalize those industries. More government employees.

With a majority of the country either working for the government or living off welfare or social security, you have engineered the elections to guarantee victory.
The path to communist enlightenment and paradise is nearing my friends- let’s cherish the moment!

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Report: Dependence on government up 23 percent under President Obama

We should measure welfare’s success by how many people leave welfare, not by how many are added…[It's] purpose should be to eliminate, as far as possible, the need for its own existence. – Ronald Reagan

Flora Duh on February 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM

what better way to create Democrat voters than to hook people on the dope that they’ll one day beat you over the head with.

motives.

ted c on February 8, 2012 at 4:13 PM

EVERYTHING Hussein has been doing is a direct take from Lenin’s works. I know that many here tout Alinsky as the “author” of leftist tactics, but trust me, EVERYTHING Alinsky has put in writing was taken directly from Lenin. And party from Trotsky’s. Hussein simply repeats everything Bolshviks have done, step by step. Brainwashing? Check. Class warfare? Check. Forcing people to become dependent on government handouts? Check. And on, and on, and on…

riddick on February 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM

As government gets bigger (in influence), individuals and community groups get smaller (in influence). The genius of the founders was to keep government small and let people care for themselves and each other. Tocqueville was amazed at the number of community groups organized to address community problems. Government has taken over those responsibilities and has also taken the money, in taxes, that people had for those activities. Now government bureaucrats “care” for people. It is much less efficient and much less effective, and it takes away our freedoms. But it buys votes, so the Dems will continue it, and they will filibuster in the Senate any attempts to reform it.

mydh12 on February 8, 2012 at 4:24 PM

So let’s see … the 23% who depend on the government means that’s 23% less who fund the government. What happens when the dependents reach 100%? Not even leftistproglibtard Obamamath can subtract its way outta that one.

stukinIL4now on February 8, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Obama has a banner at the WH. “Mission Accomplished”

Hummer53 on February 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM

This is starting to become scary. The people that become dependent on government and pay no taxes, become DemonRAT voters. And they are more than willing to vote to “redistribute” money from hard working tax payers. It’s about time a LAW is passed, that takes voting rights away from cockroaches that sit on their butt all day and don’t work.

Someone needs to call the pest control before these bloodsucking parasitic libtards kill off the hosts (taxpayers) and turn the whole country in to Detroit.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Brainwashing? Check. Class warfare? Check. Forcing people to become dependent on government handouts? Check. And on, and on, and on…

riddick on February 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM

Stop fighting and join the revolution comrade. You’re clearly a smart man who’s been touched by the infinite wisdom and insight of Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky. Become an agent of change, not an anti-revolutionary vanguard of the past.

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM

You guys just hate it when the poor are taken care of!!!!!ELEVENTY!!!!!

/urbanelitist

No, we just hate it when bigots like you rob people who are less than well off of their dignity by making them wards of the state.

CurtZHP on February 8, 2012 at 4:27 PM

Buying votes until we eventually run out of other people’s money to pay for those votes. That’s what the Democrat party is all about.

ardenenoch on February 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:22 PM

Given the Downgrade Course we’re on, How do we avoid going the way of Greece?

How do we avoid the fate that Benjamin Franklin brought up:

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

So let’s see … the 23% who depend on the government means that’s 23% less who fund the government. What happens when the dependents reach 100%? Not even leftistproglibtard Obamamath can subtract its way outta that one.

stukinIL4now on February 8, 2012 at 4:24 PM

Just like all bloodsuckers, they flourish until they kill off the host. When the host is killed off they quickly need to find another host or risk dying too.
Eventually their will be no more hosts and the whole county will turn in to Greece/Detroit.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM

That accompanying photo of the men lined up for free coffee and doughnuts was taken in Chicago, in 1931, at a soup kitchen opened by Al Capone. Heh.

Emperor Norton on February 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Funny how you all conveniently overlook this very large, very relevant fact and just paint this as “Obama The Socialist” at work.

Tom_Shipley on February 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM

From Tina’s post (did you even read it?):

More than 70 percent of the nation’s spending goes to dependence programs, up from 28.3 percent in 1962 and 48.5 percent in 1990. The Index grew 8.1 percent in 2010 alone…. note well that increased dependence has been a steady trend for the entire decade the Heritage Foundation has released its index.

Conclusion: Fail.

Call it what you will, but we have a growing socialist (not capitalist) form of government — and that includes Bush — but there’s no denying that Obama is THE pinnacle … thus far.

ShainS on February 8, 2012 at 4:30 PM

Given the Downgrade Course we’re on, How do we avoid going the way of Greece?

How do we avoid the fate that Benjamin Franklin brought up:

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

The only way we can do that is to revoke voting rights from the parasites that refuse to work.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 8, 2012 at 4:31 PM

I’m not joking. If we’re serious about not wanting the government to interfere in our lives, then we can’t afford to live in a bubble, oblivious to the needs of those around us.

About that bubble of oblivion, ignoring the surrounding reality, the reason elections matter is the resultant POLICY.

You advocate local empowerment of the sovereign citizen, and the disenfranchisement of the federal (or state) abusive interventionism that counters rather than practices according to the US Constitution? Then you support the Libertarian-Republican platform.

But if you’re propagandizing for 1000 points of “compassionate conservative” lights, effected through mandates regarding what we must purchase privately or pay in raised taxes in order to fulfill the needs of those around us, you’re just another damned socialist fool in the Rockefeller Republican tool belt. Exactly how is a Keynesian elitist who supported bail-outs of his own industry (financial derivatives investment) going to help those in need of an egg to prevent starvation? Especially when that platform insists that “there’s already a safety net” though already depleted via congressional piracy of our federally withheld income? You support the growth of authoritarian governance via the Rockefeller Republican arm of the GOP.

That bit about the egg sounds like it came from a competitor in a beauty contest:

“I want world peace, one egg at a time.”

You’re not joking. Tell us something after you’ve dedicated years volunteering service at homeless shelters or Meals on Wheels.

maverick muse on February 8, 2012 at 4:31 PM

“Help us Obama-one-Kenobi. You’re our only hope…..”
“Help us Obama-one-Kenobi. You’re our only hope…..”
“Help us Obama-one-Kenobi. You’re our only hope…..”

portlandon on February 8, 2012 at 4:32 PM

Buying votes until we eventually run out of other people’s money to pay for those votes. That’s what the Democrat party is all about.

ardenenoch on February 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

I don’t think that’s what this about. It is Cloward Piven, in full bloom and with only months left, things are about to escalate.

My question is this: What can be done? The police are all union members. Congress is completely dysfunctional and corrupt, and we have the Alynski media pushing the O-jenda night and day. I’m not sure that this can be stopped.

Key West Reader on February 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM

Whats wrong with it?
Your potential nominee is also a big government guy anyway.
liberal4life on February 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM

Whats wrong with giving money you don’t have to people that did not earn it?

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Given the Downgrade Course we’re on, How do we avoid going the way of Greece?

How do we avoid the fate that Benjamin Franklin brought up:

When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

The only way we can do that is to revoke voting rights from the parasites that refuse to work.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 8, 2012 at 4:31 PM

That’s one way….

Hey! You used the word parasites! Maybe that’ll bring crr6 back..

Ahem… the fact is we only have two choices – stop the fiscal train wreck before it’s too late..

Or go the way of Greece – only several orders of magnitude worse.

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Stop fighting and join the revolution comrade. You’re clearly a smart man who’s been touched by the infinite wisdom and insight of Marx, Lenin, and Trotsky. Become an agent of change, not an anti-revolutionary vanguard of the past.

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM

Main reason I am able to recognize lobotomized morons like you from a mile away. I lived that “dream”, “hope and change” and whatever once, and fully experienced it on my skin. I seriously hope idiots like and Hussein go live in Russia and instead of an idiotic blind following of some demented lunatics’ writings you get to experience this hell in person. Should serve you right, BTW.

Now, guess the number of people who left left this “communist dream” and moved to the West? Write that number down. Now, pay attention here since it is obvious your second grade education has left a lot of holes in it still to be filled in, or at least one would hope so. Guess how many Americans have moved to Russia to live the “dream”? Write the 2 numbers on a piece of paper, I ham assuming you know how to write numbers. Now, compare the two numbers. Hint: the number representing those of us who moved FROM Russia should have at least EIGHT DIGITS in it and still growing BTW. The one representing migration TO Russia is what?

Find some other blog to spout your stupidity on.

riddick on February 8, 2012 at 4:38 PM

we can’t afford to live in a bubble, oblivious to the needs of those around us.

At least listen to those around us. THEN take their perspective and render to it what value you wish to acknowledge.

maverick muse on February 8, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Tom_Shipley on February 8, 2012 at 4:08 PM
No, it spiked in 2009, after he took office as that’s the last year on the chart. Did you look at any of the other charts showing growing dependence and expenditures into 2010? Thought not.

totherightofthem on February 8, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Careful…we have to remember how logic and facts confuse liberals. It sends them into panic and hysteria! :)

jfs756 on February 8, 2012 at 4:39 PM

“Winning! Duh!”

SAMinVA on February 8, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Buying votes until we eventually run out of other people’s money to pay for those votes. That’s what the Democrat party is all about.

ardenenoch on February 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Guess what TARPs did? Simply transferred the funds to unions to fund future campaigns.

riddick on February 8, 2012 at 4:40 PM

Freeloader Nation.

BuckeyeSam on February 8, 2012 at 4:43 PM

Proof again of his greatness. He spent our money wisely and now we are all better off having had him as our leader./
Should I sign this liberal4life or libfreeordie ?

Bmore on February 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM

A relatively free people always deserve their ‘leaders’.

Looters will exploit you.

Moochers are just dumb sheeple, subjugated in the modern day plantation, for votes.

Lefties are absolutely not truly progressive/liberal. They just stole the terms.

Schadenfreude on February 8, 2012 at 4:46 PM

where’s my Obama money!

burserker on February 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Buying votes until we eventually run out of other people’s money to pay for those votes. That’s what the Democrat party is all about.

ardenenoch on February 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Guess what TARPs did? Simply transferred the funds to unions to fund future campaigns.

riddick on February 8, 2012 at 4:40 PM

TARP was created and passed by George Bush and his Goldman Sachs friends in Treasury. Also note that most bank executives are not union members. You’re confused.

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM


bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Given the Downgrade Course we’re on, How do we avoid going the way of Greece?

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

The biggest problem is one of demographics. As baby boomers continue to retire, the number of citizens receiving entitlement payments will increase.

It’s important that every American pay a minimum tax, including people receiving welfare and social security. When you don’t have a stake in the effects of government spending, bad things happen.

The decision many decades ago to separate tax policy from spending policy has undermined our fiscal house. Believe me, if people had to pay taxes to fully fund the current level of government spending, there would be riots. And if you really want to lower spending now, require that all spending be funded through taxes. Politicians would suddenly find the will to cut spending.

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

TARP was created and passed by George Bush and his Goldman Sachs friends in Treasury. Also note that most bank executives are not union members. You’re confused.

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Uhh, TARP was written by Pelosi and Reid, well their commie staff. And discretion on who received TARP funds was controlled by who? You can say it, newly inaugurated Chancellor Obomba. It may have been signed by an outgoing Bush knowing he would never be held accountable for it, but it was written and distributed by the ruling class.

And yes, a LOT of funds went to Obomba’s union cronies both as a payoff for him getting anointed…err elected and as a slush fund to be used for his second coming. I think you’re the one that’s confused.

Meople on February 8, 2012 at 4:59 PM

The left spew this nonsense about equality yet somehow it’s equal for me and people like me to pay half of my income in State, Local and Federal taxes while able bodied deadbeats pay nothing.

Screw you lefties.

jawkneemusic on February 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. In my youth I travelled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.
In short, you offered a premium for the encouragement of idleness, and you should not now wonder that it has had its effect in the increase of poverty. – Benjamin Franklin

JAM on February 8, 2012 at 5:02 PM

Whats wrong with giving money you don’t have to people that did not earn it?

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 4:35 PM

Excellent distinction between voluntarily giving money you have v. forking out money you do not have. The conclusion hits home as well since the people pirating US Tax Funds are those who failed to properly pay into the tax funds.

Take Timothy Geithner as an individual example; or on the global scale “Read My Lips: No New Taxes” subsidize the Federal Reserve’s bankrupting of America, empowering globalist financial industry (IMF, World Bank, etc.) to insanely demand trillions of dollars MORE from US citizens in order for the globalist “investors” to pay themselves AGAIN with money they did NOT EARN, profits from deregulated sales of derivatives (bankrupted investments tagged as financially secure, insured by US taxpayers, FDIC). THOSE globalist investors represent the people who did not earn our tax funds yet abscond with our legal representation and create the reality of Americans without responsive representation being taxed into oblivion by an oligarchy. When contrasting the total tax funds spent on Americans in poverty v. total tax funds demanded by bail-outs of corrupt “too big to fail” investment industry, let’s direct our voter ire at the pirates laughing from their banks.

Identify the greatest threat, prioritize.

maverick muse on February 8, 2012 at 5:02 PM

I loath this man!

D-fusit on February 8, 2012 at 5:03 PM

Go Fish.

maverick muse on February 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Should I sign this liberal4life or libfreeordie ?

Bmore on February 8, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Doesn’t matter. They’re probably the same idiot.

CurtZHP on February 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Uhh, TARP was written by Pelosi and Reid, well their commie staff.

No, TARP was authored by Treasury. Funny that you think that anyone in Congress is smart enough or has the expertise to assemble legislation of that level of financial complexity.
You’re living in right wing fantasy land.

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Whoa! I was pointing out that the math is wrong. 100% of the population does not work. I’m not disputing the fact that of those who do work, 49.5% pay 0 taxes in the least. I complain about it all the time.

I’ve been called alot of things, but never a leftist.

Chuck Schick on February 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM

LOL…Nobody expects the HA Inquisition!

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What is truly astounding that such a large part of the population is dependent upon Washington, and most of them are still alive!

Well, except for the dead folks that still collect pensions and Social Security, but nobody’s perfect.

Dr. ZhivBlago on February 8, 2012 at 5:14 PM

Careful…we have to remember how logic and facts confuse liberals. It sends them into panic and hysteria! :)

jfs756 on February 8, 2012 at 4:39 PM

Lol, true dat but I do have a question about the dependency chart and the quote in Tina’s article -” More than 70 percent of the nation’s spending goes to dependence programs, up from 28.3 percent in 1962 and 48.5 percent in 1990.” From looking at that chart, what I see is growth from 1990 at 48.5 percent to 68.3 percent in 2003. So it grew from 68.3 percent in 2003 to 70.5 percent in 2010, so that is 2.2 percent in 7 years. That isn’t the trend anyone wants, but 2.2 in 5yrs isn’t that large. Before I looked at the chart, I thought the rate had gone from 28 to 70 in just the Obama years. Not true. Also the Index growing 8.1 percent in 2010 is actually down 5.73 from the previous year. Seriously, I am not that great with numbers, so what am I missing here??? I really what to understand this for conversation with people, but with correct understanding.;-( The title of this post says dependence on government up 23% under Obama, but it looks to me like 2.2 percent since 2003 which is .3 percent, and the 23 % is since 1990. ???? Confused Conservative

LazyHips on February 8, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Weren’t the colonists pretty much ok without representation in the absence of taxation? Meaning… Should those not paying tax – or paying taxes with some other citizen’s money – Be allowed to vote for Maobama ?

FlaMurph on February 8, 2012 at 5:20 PM

There are more and more Democrat voters who learned from Barry and Maxine that they can vote themselves someone else’s money. I need to google to learn how to obtain residency in Hong Kong.

galtani on February 8, 2012 at 5:21 PM

How do we avoid running off a fiscal cliff driven by a Minority or Makers out-voted by a Majority of Takers?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 4:29 PM

The biggest problem is one of demographics. As baby boomers continue to retire, the number of citizens receiving entitlement payments will increase.

It’s important that every American pay a minimum tax, including people receiving welfare and social security. When you don’t have a stake in the effects of government spending, bad things happen.

The decision many decades ago to separate tax policy from spending policy has undermined our fiscal house. Believe me, if people had to pay taxes to fully fund the current level of government spending, there would be riots. And if you really want to lower spending now, require that all spending be funded through taxes. Politicians would suddenly find the will to cut spending.

bayam on February 8, 2012 at 4:53 PM

So basically you’re repudiating everything President Downgrade stand for, correct?

Chip on February 8, 2012 at 5:31 PM

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