Rasmussen: Majority opposes Obama contraception mandate on religious organizations

posted at 1:55 pm on February 8, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Some in the media have expressed puzzlement over the controversy generated by new HHS mandate imposed by the Obama administration that would force religious organizations to pay for contraception even if it goes against their religious doctrine.  The New York Times and the Washington Post took pains to point out that Catholics are in favor of such mandates in earlier polling.  However, Rasmussen’s latest national survey of 1,000 likely voters show a majority opposing the mandate on religious organizations — and that Catholics take an even dimmer view of such an intrusion on their beliefs:

Half of voters do not agree with the Obama administration’s action forcing Catholic institutions to pay for birth control measures that they morally oppose.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 39% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the government should require a church or religious organization to provide contraceptives for women even if it violates their deeply held beliefs. Fifty percent (50%) disagree and oppose such a requirement that runs contrary to strong beliefs, while 10% more are undecided.

Fifty-six percent (56%) of male voters are against the government requiring contraceptive coverage in a case like this. Female voters are almost evenly divided on the question. Sixty-five percent (65%) of Catholic voters oppose this requirement, as do 62% of Evangelical Christians, and 50% of other Protestants. Most non-Christians (56%) support the Obama Administration ruling.

Even apart from the question of exempting religious organizations, voters aren’t exactly applauding the new HHS insurance mandate.  A plurality opposes a government requirement to provide such coverage, 46% to 43% supporting.  A majority of voters (54%) understand that requiring no-cost coverage of contraception means that the cost of insurance will rise for everyone; only 16% thought it would not.  On the religious exemption, Obama doesn’t even win women, who narrowly oppose the revocation of the exemption by 45%, with 43% supporting the decision.

In the political demos, Obama gets more bad news.  Democrats support his mandate 60/27, which is not exactly a ringing endorsement.  Republicans oppose it 16/75, and a plurality of independents do as well, 43/49.  Every income demographic except the lowest of under-$20K and $75-100K opposes it by majorities.  Only those who never attend religious services or attend less than once a month support the mandate; all other categories oppose it by large majorities.  Even the “political class,” usually reliably liberal, opposes the mandate on religious organizations by 25/63.

John Boehner gave a rare speech on the House floor today pledging to fight this new mandate:

“This rule would require faith-based employers – including Catholic charities, schools, universities, and hospitals – to provide services they believe are immoral. Those services include sterilization, abortion-inducing drugs and devices, and contraception,” Boehner added. “If the president does not reverse the Department’s attack on religious freedom, then the Congress, acting on behalf of the American people and the Constitution we are sworn to uphold and defend, must. The House will approach this matter fairly and deliberately, through regular order and the appropriate legislative channels.”

“This attack by the federal government on religious freedom in our country must not stand and will not stand,” he said.

The Anchoress wonders if this is why Bill Daley was in such a hurry to exit the White House. Daley apparently tried to warn Obama against taking this course of action.

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39% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the government should require a church or religious organization to provide contraceptives for women even if it violates their deeply held beliefs.

THIS 39% is chilling. That’s a lot of people that don’t understand the 1st amendment and want to put shackles on religious freedom.

kirkill on February 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM

neuquenguy on February 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

I believe you’re right. However, the church did support Obamacare…and still supports illegal immigration. Actually, the church still supports Obamacare, just not this particular provision. And I understand the distinction between the lay people and the priests and then the bishops who got on board with O’Care. But I’m not sure that would change my opinion of the church when the leadership holds these liberal views.

iwasbornwithit on February 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

neuquenguy on February 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM

Bucket load of crazy there.

Women were dying so men could avoid responsibility.

In the back woods where ideas like yours are fermented, they still do.

freshface on February 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I don’t know how many times this needs to be explained. The majority of people in this polls are “cultural Catholics” they do not practice the faith not hold its beliefs. If you took a poll only actual (practicing) Catholics the results would be very different. Obama and obamacare were forcibly opposed in my diocese and our neighboring diocese, and 1000 people (the whole church) stood up and applauded when our priest condemned this mandate. The real number for practicing Catholics is probably close to 100% opposing. But the media loves to use this fictitious figure which includes a majority of Catholics in name only because it supports their agenda.

neuquenguy on February 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Thanks, neuquenguy….I was looking for those words but I just couldn’t get them all together as nicely as you did. Kudos.

timberline on February 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

not that surprising that the Obama Eugenicists would think, “what could go wrong?”

kirkill on February 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

You’ll never know, Am I a woman, am I a gay man? Am I a straight guy who likes to mess around with gender norms, who knows and more importantly who cares.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You called yourself a black man in at least once at Hot Air, and mentioned that you have a boyfriend of another race. You didn’t correct me when I assumed the black person “David” pointed out to your boyfriend was a woman, but I don’t recall you saying either way.

If you don’t want to say what you are, it’s no skin off my nose, but you’re either a liar, a gay black man, or multiple people sharing one screen name.

Esthier on February 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

This is about exerting control over female sexuality and being enraged that women can enjoy sex without having to worry about having a kid. For some people it just makes them really angry.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

ROFL! This is only true if you view women as a weak sex who cannot afford birth control. Should we buy them calendars too, since they’re obviously too stupid to keep track of taking pills daily? The hypocrisy of liberals knows no bounds!

dominigan on February 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

We’re not a theocracy. Women who wait until they are ready to conceive tend to do better on a range of social indices than women who get pregnant before they are ready. And since abstinence doesn’t work, birth control pills should be free to all women who want them. Don’t like it, then please leave the health insurance profession.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Line by line:
Correct, but America has (and needs) a soul; all else will fail otherwise.
Also correct, but if you have that moral responsibility this doesn’t become the norm.
The act of choosing not to have sex doesn’t prevent pregnancy? You probably believe a fetus is a clump of leeching cells.
This isn’t about insurance, its about the state dictating to the church about their doctrine (separation of church and state was intended to prevent another entity related to the state becoming head of the Church).
Your post is just /facepalm.

nobar on February 8, 2012 at 2:45 PM

My new religious belief is that all Republicans in my courses should get an F, religious liberty!

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

My new religious belief from the church of, Yes Liberalism Really is a Mental Disease, is that all Liberals be sterilized to keep from pro-creating.

I’m sure you would have no objections to covering the cost of the procedures, would you?

/

Flora Duh on February 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

But the media loves to use this fictitious figure which includes a majority of Catholics in name only because it supports their agenda.

neuquenguy on February 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

This was a Rasmussen poll so I’m not sure that it’s accurate to say that they were agenda driven here, but I definitely get your point about “cultural Catholics”.

iwasbornwithit on February 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

There are no scriptures that force me to pay for your contraception.
Take care of yourself.

Electrongod on February 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

BOOM! Taste my night stick

Hey Electron, cloudy here today, how about you?

MontanaMmmm on February 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Women were dying so men could avoid responsibility.

In the back woods where ideas like yours are fermented, they still do.

freshface on February 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Right, so let’s encourage more consequence free sex so men can still avoid responsibility.

darwin on February 8, 2012 at 2:48 PM

This is about exerting control over female sexuality and being enraged that women can enjoy sex without having to worry about having a kid. For some people it just makes them really angry.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

ROFL! This is only true if you view women as a weak sex who cannot afford birth control. Should we buy them calendars too, since they’re obviously too stupid to keep track of taking pills daily? The hypocrisy of liberals knows no bounds!

dominigan on February 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

Isn’t it also hilarious that these libs are the same ones that don’t want to prevent Sharia Law from coming to America?

That’s going to be ROFL day when that happens to the liberal hypocritical gays.

kirkill on February 8, 2012 at 2:48 PM

And since abstinence doesn’t work

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

ROFL! It sure as heck does when its tried! I learned that back in my teen years! :)

dominigan on February 8, 2012 at 2:49 PM

We know what’s best for these silly women.

freshface on February 8, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Well, I am one, and I know that I’m not too stupid to get the pill if I need to without health insurance. And I’m not so weak that I need others to take care of that for me.

Esthier on February 8, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Women were dying so men could avoid responsibility.

In the back woods where ideas like yours are fermented, they still do.

freshface on February 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

And now men are taking underage girls to PP, knowing they won’t get caught.

Esthier on February 8, 2012 at 2:50 PM

And now we know the hypocrite Romney is guilty of the same thing!

Read on:

Per LifeSiteNews.com., December 9th, 2005:

“In a shocking turn-around, Massachusetts’s Governor Mitt Romney announced yesterday,” which would have been December 8th, 2005, “that Roman Catholic and other private hospitals in the state will be forced to offer emergency contraception to sexual assault victims under new state legislation, regardless of the hospitals’ moral position on the issue. The Republican governor had earlier defended the right of hospitals to avoid dispensing the ‘morning-after pill’ on the grounds of moral dissent. The Boston Globe reported that Romney’s flip on the issue came after his legal counsel, Mark D. Nielsen, concluded Wednesday,” again, we’re talking 2005 here, “that the new law supersedes a preexisting statute related to the abortifacient pill.” The morning-after pill.

What we have here is another telling sign of just how similar, if you will, Romneycare is to Obamacare. What is the legislation they are talking about here? I’m gonna read this to you again. It’s December 9th, 2005. The site is LifeSiteNews.com. “In a shocking turn-around, Massachusetts’s Governor Mitt Romney announced yesterday that Roman Catholic and other private hospitals in the state will be forced to offer emergency contraception to sexual assault victims under new state legislation.” Now, it’s sexual assault victims, not everybody, but there’s a similarity here.

jfs756 on February 8, 2012 at 2:50 PM

freshface on February 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I’ll pass, if I wanted to debate people like you I would go to the toddler section of daily kos.

neuquenguy on February 8, 2012 at 2:50 PM

THIS 39% is chilling. That’s a lot of people that don’t understand the 1st amendment and want to put shackles on religious freedom.

kirkill on February 8, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Obama could tell us that we need to tie ourselves onto the railroad tracks, and for whatever reason, 39% of his kool-aid drinkers would agree. Possibly even some in the MSM.

kage on February 8, 2012 at 2:51 PM

You’ll never know, Am I a woman, am I a gay man? Am I a straight guy who likes to mess around with gender norms, who knows and more importantly who cares.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Its…. its…. its… LOTION MAN!

/

Key West Reader on February 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Barack Obama should don a giant trojan and wear it around for doing this.

NoDonkey on February 8, 2012 at 2:53 PM

iwasbornwithit on February 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Please rethink this. No matter what some, even if a majority of those who claim to be Catholic do, there is only one thing that really matters in the grand scheme; Christ Truly Present in the Holy Eucharist. For my flesh is real food and my blood real drink. You are choosing politics over Christ if you leave His Church over this or anything, and that is a grave sin, but not so grave as leading your children away from Him. Please don’t do this.

pannw on February 8, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Barack Obama should don a giant trojan

Don’t you know that’s a myth about black men?

philoquin on February 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

So is it 40% or 60% of Americans who just aren’t smart enough to go to the store, and buy pills when needed?

Good God, is the IQ of the typical American even at room temperature, anymore?

MNHawk on February 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Well, if you read posts from libfreeordie, you see that
person’s IQ has smashed thru the floor into the basement with
the Doritos….

ToddPA on February 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Women were dying so men could avoid responsibility.

In the back woods where ideas like yours are fermented, they still do.

freshface on February 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

…as opposed to the big city, where you can just stop by PP… and men can STILL avoid taking responsibility!

dominigan on February 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

This is about exerting control over female sexuality and being enraged that women can enjoy sex without having to worry about having a kid. For some people it just makes them really angry.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

ROFL! This is only true if you view women as a weak sex who cannot afford birth control. Should we buy them calendars too, since they’re obviously too stupid to keep track of taking pills daily? The hypocrisy of liberals knows no bounds!

dominigan on February 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

dominigan,

Your comment just made me realize something about libfree: it’s not about women’s repuductive rights or being surpressed.

It’s all about not having to pay.

It’s about spreading the wealth around.

It’s about the 99% vs the 1%

It’s about free college tuition.

It’s about a living wage.

It’s about socialism.

It’s about Libfree’s life not turning out the way Libfree wanted so now somebody has to pay.

WisRich on February 8, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Hey Electron, cloudy here today, how about you?

MontanaMmmm on February 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Storm rolling in today here Southern Id.

Electrongod on February 8, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Key West Reader on February 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Too funny. I hope you are well.

FLconservative on February 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM

You think it’s bad now? Just wait until “educational training” of contraceptive methods are mandated as well – in addtion to having to pay for them.

newtopia on February 8, 2012 at 3:04 PM

On February 7, 2012, Ms. Dahlkemper said that she was shocked

She’s not shocked. Anyone with a brain cell would know what the goals of the left are.

yhxqqsn on February 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM

pannw on February 8, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I appreciate your passion and your faith, I really do. You do realize you’re calling all the non-Catholics here “grave sinners”? If that’s what you believe, that’s your business. This is a political board after all and I did not ask the Catholic church to dabble in political matters or social justice. They did that all by themselves.

My allegiance is to my God first. Not some man’s church. If they want me back, they can get out of social justice politics, which does nothing but help pro-abortion candidates like Obama get elected. The church has the blood of innocents on its hands in this and they need to recognize this and repent.

iwasbornwithit on February 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Why are men even being polled?

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM

Why do people that don’t pay taxes get to vote?

CDeb on February 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Barack Obama should don a giant trojan
Don’t you know that’s a myth about black men?

philoquin on February 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Over his head and torso.

NoDonkey on February 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Libfree, I have a question for you.
What if the rolls were reversed and a Republican administration, decided that everyone’s employer must buy them a gun to protect themselves from workplace violence. What happens to the people that oppose guns?

MontanaMmmm on February 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Ed, this issue is not just about the religious freedom of organizations. What about the religious freedom of individuals? Why should a Catholic business owner have to pay for contraceptive coverage for employees? Why should a pro-life business owner have to pay for coverage that includes the morning after pill? Why should an employer who believes that sexual relations outside of marriage is immoral have to pay for contraception coverage for unmarried employees?

Ordinary American on February 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM

This is about exerting control over female sexuality and being enraged that women can enjoy sex without having to worry about having a kid. For some people it just makes them really angry.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Why do I have to pay for their skank*ness?

BuckeyeSam on February 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Its…. its…. its… LOTION MAN!

/

Key West Reader on February 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM

LMAO!!!

ToddPA on February 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM

This is about exerting control over female sexuality and being enraged that women can enjoy sex without having to worry about having a kid. For some people it just makes them really angry.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

That’s about as stupid as saying that someone wants to enjoy drunk driving without having to worry about having a car crash.

Actions have consequences, like it or not. This is reality.
And children are not the parasites your culture makes them out to be.

BakerAllie on February 8, 2012 at 3:10 PM

birth control pills should be free to all women who want them. Don’t like it, then please leave the health insurance profession.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

??? I’m not in the health insurance profession, I’m a employer who doesn’t want to pay for a product. But I thank you for the offer and yes, I will leave and not buy that product.

Oh, wait that’s no what you mean. You mean “please stay and buy what we tell you to buy”. Got it.

The other interesting part of your rambling note is that you seem to have this interesting idea that whatever you think is “good” should be free. In fact you have a right to it at no cost. Using your logic then, bike helmets should free, gym memberships should be free, liposuction should be free, the extra toppings you’re just dying to put on your hot fudge sundae should be free.

Of course, none of these things is ever free. Someone always has to pay for it. You’re just expecting the other guy to pay for it.

Typical liberal moocher.

I suggest you change your moniker to “libwithyourmoneyorelse”, it would be honest.

PackerBronco on February 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Am I a woman, am I a gay man? Am I a straight guy who likes to mess around with gender norms, who knows and more importantly who cares.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

It doesn’t matter what you are. Your comments have already outed you as something that doesn’t matter yet. Your immaturity and selfishness are evident that you need a lot more time to become a useful member of society.

At least you are getting a conservative view from time to time from this site so maybe there is hope for you.Keep an open mind, for your sake.

Vince on February 8, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Takeaway: 39% of likely US voters are insane.

ConservativeLA on February 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM

And since abstinence doesn’t work

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

That’s the liberal mind in a nut shell. They believe that people are incapable of self-control and self-determination.

St Gaudens on February 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM

ABOMABLECARE STRIKES AGAIN

BAP3753

Dick Barnette on February 8, 2012 at 3:13 PM

And since abstinence doesn’t work
libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Um, actually it works every time it’s tried.

Seriously, the IQ of trolls around here lately is insulting.

Branch Rickey on February 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM

Slightly O/T.

This is why Romney will cannot be our nominee.

Asked about comments from Mitt Romney assailing the Obama administration rule requiring most employers – including religious schools and hospitals — to offer health insurance that fully covers contraception, White House press secretary Jay Carney took a shot at the Republican presidential candidate.

The former governor of Massachusetts is an odd messenger on this given that the services that this rule would provide for women around the country are the same that are provided in Massachusetts and were provided…when he was governor,” Carney said. “This is, I think, ironic, the fact that Mitt Romney is expressing — criticizing the president for pursuing a policy that is virtually identical to the one that was in place when he was governor of Massachusetts.”

That is true, though there is another aspect to Massachusetts law that Carney left untold: Romney in 2005 vetoed legislation requiring all hospitals to offer emergency contraception to rape victims, and the legislature in September of that year over-rode his veto (state senate 37-0, state house 139-16).

WisRich on February 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM

birth control pills should be free to all women who want them. Don’t like it, then please leave the health insurance profession.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM

What nonsense.

You know why 24/7 you have car insurance ads on TV?

Because idiot politicians haven’t screwed up the industry.

You want an oil change? You shop around for a good deal. You don’t go to the dealer, pay $100 and then a $5 co-pay.

If the idiot government were in charge, oil change coverage would be mandated as “preventive” care and car insurance would cost $5,000 per year per car.

It’s just appalling how silly and ignorant most people are. Just because you want it, doesn’t mean it has to be mandated for people who don’t want it. Pay for your rubbers yourself.

NoDonkey on February 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM

I thought it rather hilarious that Obama thought he would endear himself to the left and independents by dancing on the line of liberal governmental tyranny with attacks against religious freedoms, (among other things of course).

He really must think most Americans hate the fact that this is (supposed to be) a free country as much as he hates it.

Once again, I’d like to “thank” all the people that voted for Obama and his progressive crap that teleported us not only to a soviet block country, but teleported us 70 years into the past as well.

Good job! Care to try again? We haven’t yet established concentration camps and gulags for those that refuse to march in communist lock step with barry. What went wrong for you?

Wolfmoon on February 8, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Libfree, I have a question for you.
What if the rolls were reversed and a Republican administration, decided that everyone’s employer must buy them a gun to protect themselves from workplace violence. What happens to the people that oppose guns?

MontanaMmmm on February 8, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Why are men even being polled?

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM
Why do people that don’t pay taxes get to vote?
CDeb on February 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM

My new religious belief from the church of, Yes Liberalism Really is a Mental Disease, is that all Liberals be sterilized to keep from pro-creating.

I’m sure you would have no objections to covering the cost of the procedures, would you?

/

Flora Duh on February 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Ssooo many questions, so few answers – we are waiting Lib

MontanaMmmm on February 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Catholics: critical mass.

elm on February 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM

Sixty-five percent (65%) of Catholic voters oppose this requirement,

Guess how many will end up voting for Obama?
65%.

albill on February 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Barack Obama should don a giant trojan
Don’t you know that’s a myth about black men?

philoquin on February 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Reminds me, there used to be an “adult store” in downtown Oakland that had a big sign out front saying “Huge Condom Selection”. I never knew if it was the condoms that were huge or the selection!

Trafalgar on February 8, 2012 at 3:34 PM

If Catholic and other religious organizations are exempt from govt insurance mandates, perhaps they can start offering a “pro-life” insurance product to consumers? I’d be interested in buying one.

Uncledave on February 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Catholics: critical mass.

elm on February 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM

I see what you did there.

WisRich on February 8, 2012 at 3:38 PM

Whoaaa Hold the Phone!!!

Didn’t the White House earlier cite an obscure poll saying Catholics were in favor of Obamas contraception mandate on religious organizations?? :(

Now the highly esteemed, ‘on target’ Rasmussen Poll says Sixty-five percent (65%) of Catholic voters oppose this requirement, as do 62% of Evangelical Christians, and 50% of other Protestants!!!

DID BARRY O’BUMMER AND HIS BAND OF DREARY WEASELS LIE TO US ??…(again)

Why yes !! Yes they did !! Imagine that !! :)

BigSven on February 8, 2012 at 3:39 PM

@JoeLieberman Gov’t should not compel relig orgs to provide services contrary to beliefs

Flora Duh on February 8, 2012 at 3:41 PM

A majority of voters (54%) understand that requiring no-cost coverage of contraception means that the cost of insurance will rise for everyone; only 16% thought it would not.

Let me guess, that 16% is also part of the 48% who pay no taxes.

GarandFan on February 8, 2012 at 3:53 PM

I’m tired of these polls. America is a Republic with laws and a Constitution. It doesn’t matter how many people are for or against anything because we shouldn’t be running our country on polls. It’s simple, if you want to take birth control, fine, go to the doctor, get yourself a prescription and pay for it.

lea on February 8, 2012 at 3:56 PM

iwasbornwithit on February 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Some man’s church… That man is Jesus, you know? :( And only ‘former’ Catholics have left Christ’s Church, so it isn’t the same for non-Catholics here, though I do wish they would share in the great gifts He gave to us, His Church, the Holy Eucharist, the sacraments… Should I take it that you do not believe in the Real Presence? I’m not really asking, only hoping that you will consider it. He said “Except you eat the flesh of the son of man and drink his blood, you have not life in you.” and “My flesh is meat indeed.” Then many of his disciples said “This saying is hard; who can hear it.” And they left him. He didn’t call them back and say, “oh…come on now, it was just metaphorical.” Instead, He asked the apostles if they were going to leave him over it too. Christ meant what He said. I hope you read about the Eucharistic Miracle. Blood type AB…so wonderful…

Anyway, I understand your anger at some of the members/clergy in the Church. No one is more angry at them than I, because I understand how they undermine Christ’s teaching, but they do not negate the Truth that is found fully in the Church, try as they do to twist it, and at the end of the day, Christ is there, in the Tabernacle and on the altar. No matter how many Father Pfleger’s or Archbishop Weakland’s there are, they can not destroy the Church. Jesus said so, and I trust in Him. They will pay an awful price for the scandal that comes when people leave the Church because of the. Hell is paved with the skulls of priests. ~St John Chrysostom (who had a fair amount to say about contraception, coincidentally, and to tie into the thread.) However, we all hold responsibility for ourselves, too.

Please reconsider. Peace.

/somewhat OT

pannw on February 8, 2012 at 4:04 PM

I’m reading these numbers as frightening instead of comforting.

theperfecteconomist on February 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM

Since when do women deserve birth control?
This is ridiculous.
When we used the pill in our early married life, the 80′s, the pill was never covered by insurance. When did it become necessary to have it covered?
This is nuts. What’s next is telling you how many children to have. Watch.

ORconservative on February 8, 2012 at 4:16 PM

And just think what this Two-Faced Ted Bundy personality will do, and for that matter to all, believer and non-believer, who do not submit to him, if unleashed from having to be concerned about being reelected. Expect him to start making nice with both Jews and Catholics (all Christians really, and that does include LDS) sometime between now and November. The question is, will either be sheeple enough to believe his mendacity?

VorDaj on February 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM

The atheistic left have been trashing and undermining Christians since the filthy Communards occupied Notre Dame Cathedral during the French Revolution and smeared feces on the walls. They also copulated on the altars to show their contempt for God. They intend to destroy Catholicism…their old enemy…by any means necessary. It’s the insidious Chicago Way to schmooze you first into a false sense of security…then pounce with all their might when your back is turned. To oppose the left is to oppose pure evil. Obama’s attack dog Sebelius is a cold hearted assassin of all that’s good. They must be stopped.

RasThavas on February 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM

…This is about exerting control over female sexuality and being enraged that women can enjoy sex without having to worry about having a kid….
libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

This is about the cost of health insurance. Lost in this debate is how all these mandates drive up the cost of insurance. If the goal is to cover more people and those who have been uninsured, then the costs have to be brought down. Birth control is readily available at Planned Parenthood
.

bopbottle on February 8, 2012 at 4:20 PM

If you don’t want to say what you are, it’s no skin off my nose, but you’re either a liar, a gay black man, or multiple people sharing one screen name.

Esthier on February 8, 2012 at 2:44 PM

People like him get caught in lies eventually…they live by not telling the truth…it is their way of getting attention.
If it is being “gay” that will get them attention, than they are “gay”, black? Than they become black…or liberal on a conservative blog, than they become liberal.
They are whatever they need to be to get attention…there are several on here that do the same, and eventually they are drummed out becomes they become ridiculed and humiliated, and they become what they so despise, they are found to be exactly who they hate, themselves.

right2bright on February 8, 2012 at 4:22 PM

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 39% of Likely U.S. Voters believe the government should require a church or religious organization to provide contraceptives for women even if it violates their deeply held beliefs.

This means that 39% are at war with the United States Constitution. Maybe they should go live in China.

RasThavas on February 8, 2012 at 4:24 PM

I’m coming in late to the conversation here. Tell me again, WHY is the government even involved in contraceptive issues in the first place? Isn’t using contraception part of the whole “women’s right to choose” and “privacy” issue covered under Roe v Wade? It sickens me that contraception (at the government level) is even a topic of conversation. Is there NOTHING they won’t put their filthy hands on and demand it to be given for “free”? It amazes me that women are deemed to be dumb, backward, and irresponsible and must be taken care of by our government. As though we are utterly incapable of taking care of our bodies and paying for our own contraception. Good grief.

herm2416 on February 8, 2012 at 4:25 PM

President “aircrafts” said while He was candidate 0bamessiah that he wanted to fundamentally transform America, and His mandate to have the RCC violate it’s morals in order to please Him and His fellow travelers is just another example in a loooooooong string of them which prove He was very serious when He made that statement.

Too bad many more RCs who are now offended by His treatment of their Church didn’t care enough about their homework when it first mattered – they sure as heck have contributed to their own suffering by their lack of desire to do a good job investigating His real intentions when He was making a myriad of other similarly radical statements.

Bizarro No. 1 on February 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

All the statistics the Obama administration states regarding the use of contraceptives amongst Catholics is really beside the point. Aside from the fact that most Catholics don’t actually work for the the Catholic Church, charities or hospitals, people who are practicing Catholics or who work for Catholic institutions know the proscriptions and if they feel that strongly that they should be so provided, should find another church or another job. They know the church believes it is wrong. It is a principle of that religion that must be accepted and respected even if they choose not to adhere to it. It’s like forcing the Amish elders to buy light bulbs for their brethren. I suppose some cheat and actually use an electric light from time to time, I don’t know, but they all know what their faith demands. Regardless, They don’t expect a pack of soft-whites on their doorstep.

RasThavas on February 8, 2012 at 4:34 PM

Here is what I predict. The large part of Catholic hierarchy will grumble, posture, but eventually sell their faith for another opportunity to be ‘in bed’ with Democrats. Just like all good Democrats always do – they find themselves an excuse to compromise their principles to get along. They do not realize that they are thus signing their own sentence as a player – as in the Left’s Utopia there’s no need for ‘religion’ and they will be simply pushed out from the public life. the smaller part of Catholic hierarchy will remain true to their faith, and they will be hounded and ridiculed by MSM and the Left. These holdouts will not be significant enough to cause any change, at least in the short run.

RasThavas on February 8, 2012 at 4:37 PM

First they came for Catholic hospitals………

PappyD61 on February 8, 2012 at 4:42 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble, pannw, but Jesus did not create the Roman Catholic Church any more than He created the Trinity Broadcast Network. There are a great many fatal flaws in Catholic teaching that doesn’t comport with Jesus’ actual words, but that doesn’t prevent many Catholics from also being Christian.

John Hitchcock on February 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM

The sad part is that 45% of us Catholics don’t get it.

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2012 at 4:57 PM

or, rather, 35%. Still pretty bad.

unclesmrgol on February 8, 2012 at 4:58 PM

I’m only aware of one instance where abstinence failed to prevent a pregnancy.

iwasbornwithit on February 8, 2012 at 2:31 PM

She/he/it won’t get the reference. It only worships at the altar of secular humanism.

txmomof6 on February 8, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Too many Catholics are too hard to take seriously. They profess to have faith in Jesus Christ yet know so little about him or follow his teachings. That’s why I left. They like the feel good side of Catholicism like helping the poor but those silly anti-abortion mandates…what anti-abortion mandate?

jawkneemusic on February 8, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Of course the real problem is this…

Idiots voted for this man…
The same idiots disapprove every single time he does any single thing…
Occasionally he takes a break from using all of us as a doormat…
Then those very SAME idiots approve of him again…
and the cycle continues…over and over and over….

No matter how many people disapprove of his actions…unless they are being lambasted by his administration at that very moment…they are apparently ready to line up and vote for him…

It’s the darndest thing I have ever seen..

Obama is not going to be the end of this country…the people who vote for him are…because when he finishes his second term…they will still be voting.

WL on February 8, 2012 at 5:06 PM

John Hitchcock on February 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Oh…okay. Thanks for clearing that up for me, John. I’ll just ignore Jesus’ own words and the history/tradition, since you say so. And thanks for judging some of us worthy of the title. /

I wish we could discuss these fatal flaws, but I have to get off the computer to let my son do his homework. But quick question…Have you ever read Dave Armstrong’s A Biblical Defense of Catholicism, or Scott Hahn’s Rome Sweet Home, or Francis Beckwith’s Return to Rome: Confessions of an Evangelical Catholic? They would argue the points with you much better, since, as former protestants, they have a better knowledge of the Bible than I, a cradle Catholic who is ashamed to admit she, like many, don’t have the knowledge we should, but who is doing her best to remedy that. I will say, the more I learn about the Church, the more I know it is the Church founded by Christ. I’ve yet to find an attack that couldn’t be refuted, though I do have to search for the answers sometimes. Often, I get the answers from one of the above men, who were pretty anti-Catholic by their own accounts and in trying to disprove the Church, came to believe. Funny that…

Well, peace to you.

pannw on February 8, 2012 at 5:08 PM

It is amazing isn’t it…I could have never imagined that we would be getting to this point…where no matter what you believe in..you have to pay up and shut up…

And even on our conservative websites, nit wits are burbling about “Catholics”

I am not more Catholic than the Bamster is…

But I know a broadside against fellow Christians when I see it, and I am with em…

What’s it gonna take to get some of you to understand just how serious these things are?

You have a president who is obviously calculating what he can get away with, rather than whether something is just or not? This is so dangerous, I can’t even explain it.

WL on February 8, 2012 at 5:12 PM

He’s got at least another week before he can trot out “That’s not what I said, that’s not what’s really happening here’…

I WON!!!

BigWyo on February 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

“This attack by the federal government on religious freedom in our country must not stand and will not stand,” he said.

In further news….boner then proceeded to promptly wet himself, and then run from the chamber in tears (once again).

He is expected to now go back to doing nothing.

Tim_CA on February 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

He’s got at least another week before he can trot out “That’s not what I said, that’s not what’s really happening here’…

I WON!!!

BigWyo on February 8, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Just part of re-righting the history of the last three years. By the time November comes around the Dems and the media will have 53% of the population convinced that thanks to Obama’s unprecedented leadership, and his successful beating off of the evil republicans, these years have been a hundred times better than they would have been without the One.

neuquenguy on February 8, 2012 at 5:22 PM

And just think what this Two-Faced Ted Bundy personality will do, and for that matter to all, believer and non-believer, who do not submit to him, if unleashed from having to be concerned about being reelected. Expect him to start making nice with both Jews and Catholics (all Christians really, and that does include LDS) sometime between now and November. The question is, will either be sheeple enough to believe his mendacity?

VorDaj on February 8, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Remember how well 0bamessiah was received by Dem candidates in the 2010 elections? LOL I sure haven’t! Once He starts getting more exposure this election cycle, most people who had abandoned Him for awhile are going to do so again when reminded of His insincerity and negativity, which drove them away from Him in the first place.

Anyway, I don’t doubt that He’ll be taken down by Fast & Furious before November – like John Edwards unhappily found out, there is only so long a mythical construction built with lie after that kind of readily-exposed lie can stand before toppling.

Sorry, rationalizing & intellectually dishonest Lefties, F&F wasn’t a “botched” operation – the whistleblowing ATF field agents were ordered to not track the felonious gunrunners and their illegally-gotten firearms. How did the gunrunners get those guns in the first place? Oh, they were able to purchase those guns because the ATF told the gun shop owners to ignore the law and sell them to the straw purchasers, purchasers they knew were criminals. Scratching your heads yet? Just what was motivating the ATF supervisors to give those orders, hmmmmmm?

Since those guns weren’t intended to be tracked, how could “botched” be considered as a pertinent term for a description of operation? How is it possible that Holder couldn’t get to the bottom of F&F within 13 months(!), if he was actually interested in doing so? Want to give Holder the benefit of the doubt? If so, how long do you believe such an utter incompetent would last in the private sector? LOL

0bamessiah and Holder are going down, down, down, they’re going down! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on February 8, 2012 at 5:24 PM

And now you’re just trying to pretend that you were a complete fool for believing them.

Maybe next time, you’ll listen.

Sincerely,

The Libertarian Party

Washington Fancy on February 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Geez, all I did was send her an email telling her I hope she enjoyed her single term in office.

Night Owl on February 8, 2012 at 5:36 PM

And 100% of those in charge of what Roman Catholics are supposed to believe oppose it.

Knott Buyinit on February 8, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Pacifists are forced to pay for the military.
Libertarians have to pay for welfare.

No one is forcing anyone to use contraceptives.

If I was running an insurance company, I would charge more to an organization that doesn’t cover contraception. Medical costs for prenatal and delivery of one child probably costs more than covering contraception for 100 people for a year. That doesn’t count continuing care per child.

BBegley on February 8, 2012 at 5:47 PM

I’m wondering why the people that don’t use prescription contraceptives have to subsidize those who do.

Count to 10 on February 8, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I’m wondering why the people that don’t use prescription contraceptives have to subsidize those who do.

The same reason that people who use contraception have to pay for delivery of a baby and continuing care for that child.

BBegley on February 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Well, I guess we figured out your gender.

John the Libertarian on February 8, 2012 at 2:18 PM

You’ll never know, Am I a woman, am I a gay man? Am I a straight guy who likes to mess around with gender norms, who knows and more importantly who cares.

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:21 PM

She said she was a black woman in another thread, for what that’s worth.

Night Owl on February 8, 2012 at 5:52 PM

freshface on February 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Those are some awfully fine chemical agents you are imbibing. You shouldn’t try to post arguments when you aren’t rational.

chemman on February 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM

The same reason that people who use contraception have to pay for delivery of a baby and continuing care for that child.

BBegley on February 8, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Which is a good reason to get the government out of the “care” business.

darwin on February 8, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Until a woman decides to have a child with a man, men should have no say or impact on her reproductive health or decisions.
libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

How does a woman have a child without a man? Or did someone already address this goofball idiocy?

Cleombrotus on February 8, 2012 at 5:58 PM

She said she was a black woman in another thread, for what that’s worth.

Night Owl on February 8, 2012 at 5:52 PM

I guess he/she/it must have MPD. If not, I shudder at the implications! :)

Bizarro No. 1 on February 8, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Over his head and torso.

NoDonkey on February 8, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Never get it past those ears.

slickwillie2001 on February 8, 2012 at 6:00 PM

Bizarro No. 1 on February 8, 2012 at 4:28 PM

Regardless of Catholic culpability in this area it does not relieve us of a duty to stand with them over this issue. What is the famous they came for saying? In the end they came for everyone. Non Catholic’s may be the last eaten by the croc but eaten they will be.

chemman on February 8, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Looks as if O is losing this power struggle. He’ll try again though. Pretty pushy taking on the Catholic Church. Indicative of how important he thinks he is. That families arrogance knows no bounds. Emperor Obama.

jeanie on February 8, 2012 at 6:05 PM

libfreeordie on February 8, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Until a person owns property they should have no right to say on restricting its use or taxing it. Same argument applied to a different arena. Odds are you are a hypocrite about this also.

chemman on February 8, 2012 at 6:06 PM

She said she was a black woman in another thread, for what that’s worth.

Night Owl on February 8, 2012 at 5:52 PM

And black man in another, so that leaves either a liar or multiple people. Not that this keeps me up at night, but there’s just no reason to lie about that sort of thing.

Esthier on February 8, 2012 at 6:11 PM

65% of Catholics

Translation: 35% of Catholics have no problem with Obama forcing Catholic institutions to offer health insurance with free abortion pills.

Clarification: 35% of Catholics are not only not Catholic, they are not Christian in any way. Catholic atheists.

Allah, here you thought you had nothing in common with Catholics.

Jaibones on February 8, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Sixty-five percent (65%) of Catholic voters oppose this requirement, as do 62% of Evangelical Christians, and 50% of other Protestants.

Whoa…Catholics are more pro-life than Evangelicals? That’s not possible…the poll is a lie.

Jaibones on February 8, 2012 at 6:14 PM

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