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We could win Afghanistan if we used our technology to seal the borders with Pakistan, Iran—the entire border— with good enough efficiency, but that would probably mean denuding wide swaths of wilderness all the way around the country and probably kill anybody who tries to cross over. We can try to intercept and detain to the extent we are able to commit resources but if that isn’t sufficient we’ll have to kill anybody that crosses the border.

Additionally we would probably have to go back to old-school rules of engagement.

I’m a hawk on foreign policy, I just think that we have to be smart about it. The neocon interventionist foreign policy was a dismal failure. It wasn’t Iraq and Afghanistan that attacked us on 9/11, if any two nations were responsible it was Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, our so-called friends and allies. The War on Terror was a sham designed to create the appearance that we were fighting our enemies when in fact our biggest enemies were elsewhere. Iraq was an example of “never letting a crisis go to waste” and was a mistake.

If we could still afford it, if the neocons hadn’t so helped the Democrats bankrupt America, and if the time for a violent response after 9/11 weren’t so many years in the past, I wouldn’t be against escalating the war on Terror and going after our enemies in in Muslim countries full force. But the time for that has past. The country really is war weary. Go ahead, neocons, try to convince even your stalwart neocon politicians to promote a REAL War on Terrorism. You’ll find that the will is gone.

And unless we are going to get serious it is not in our national interest to allow neocon politicians to put another bullet-point on their resume and provide welfare to the military industrial complex that buys so many politicians.

And here’s the worst part. Many of these same neocons who are fighting a fake War On Terrorism, funding the military industrial complex, are also promoting the police-state industrial complex back here at home. These neocons have proven a far bigger threat to our freedom and liberty than Al Qaeda could ever hope to be.

FloatingRock on March 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM

The Taliban were the government of Afghanistan

Solaratov on March 17, 2013 at 11:54 PM

But the Taliban was created by Pakistan with Saudi oil money.

Another problem I have with the WOT is that, like Iran, Pakistan is also one of the biggest state sponsors of terrorism. The difference is that Pakistan terrorists attack Pakistan and Iran’s attacks Israel. Also, we had an ill advised business relationship with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia but not with Afghanistan and Iraq, so instead of attacking the two nations most responsible for 9/11, our friends, we attacked two nations that really didn’t have much to do with 9/11. Afghanistan was a shell of a nation being used by outside forces.

Even if some might want to argue that the Afghanistan campaign is worthwhile in theory, the fact is that we didn’t fight to win. Very little of our focus after 9/11 was directed at Afghanistan and instead our effort was redirected to Iraq, of all places, that didn’t have anything to do with 9/11. We spent a lot of blood and treasure in Iraq, but in the nations that actually did play huge roles we continued business as usual.

FloatingRock on March 18, 2013 at 12:23 AM

Dr. ZhivBlago on March 18, 2013 at 12:19 AM

The Afghan border could definitely be sealed, IMO, but it would require old-school killing that isn’t politically feasible anymore. And anyway, even if we do seal the border, I’m not saying that’s the only problem. Afghanistan is just a shell of a nation. It was a victim of Pakistan and Saudi Arabia after 9/11, and rebuilding something that has been broken and corrupted so long is no easy task, and I’m not sure it’s particularly in our interests when our enemy’s command and control and ideological inspiration was in Pakistan and elsewhere.

Many of the neocons who are attacking Rand Paul used their influence to invade two nations that had little to do with 9/11 and then instead of moving on they decided to set up show and play house instead of pursuing our enemies wherever they try to hide.

These same neocons have eroded our Constitution and Bill of rights and are attacking our right to due process.

That’s why I stand with Rand, because Rand is right and the neocons are wrong, it’s time to bring our troops home from Afghanistan.

FloatingRock on March 18, 2013 at 12:36 AM

A lot of the neocons that are attacking Rand Paul, (Andy McCarthy being an exception), are the same idiots that armed Libyan Jihadis and want to do the same in Syria. Worse is that even after their efforts in Libya backfired with repercussions throughout North Africa, they are still calling to arm Syrian Jihadis. They are also sending arms and money to Egypt.

The neocons act like they are the voice of reason and sanity talking down to Rand Paul but in fact it is they that are out on a limb. In fact the American people are tired of all this nation building that we can no longer afford.

FloatingRock on March 18, 2013 at 12:57 AM

Here’s another thing I’ve noticed about a lot of neocon politicians, they tend to ardently support amnesty for illegal aliens, something that is harmful to the country and to the political viability of their own party, yet they support anyway. They don’t simply support it, in fact it’s one of the only things that actually animates them and they are willing to dedicate so much “bi-partisan” energy toward. This in spite of the fact that it is so harmful to the nation and only benefits the cronies that all the despicable lobbyists represent. If instead these neocon RINO’s expended half as much effort on Americas’ very real problems we wouldn’t be in such dire straights. But no, those issues aren’t very important at all to them, they only seem to care about serving their crony masters.

FloatingRock on March 18, 2013 at 1:19 AM