Open thread: Colorado, Minnesota, Missouri; Update: Santorum wins Missouri; Update: Santorum wins Minnesota

posted at 7:45 pm on February 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

The polls in Missouri’s “beauty contest” primary close at 8 p.m. ET, right as the Minnesota caucuses get going. Colorado’s caucuses will start an hour later. Here’s your thread to follow the returns as they roll in. No delegates at stake tonight, but this is probably Santorum’s last chance to breeze past Newt as the race’s designated Not Romney. Read Ed’s post on the latest PPP numbers if you missed it this morning: He’s up by 13 points in Missouri (where Gingrich isn’t on the ballot) and by nine in Minnesota. If he wins both easily, then he gets a bunch of positive media coverage this week and maybe a few more big-name conservative endorsements, which in turn could mean enough movement in the polls to put him on at least an equal footing with Gingrich. Once that happens, the pressure will shift to Newt to explain why he should stay in and divide the conservative vote on the strength of having won one state while Santorum should drop out after having won three. Is that enough to get Gingrich to quit? Why … no, but it’ll make an increasingly dull primary interesting again until Super Tuesday.

In the interest of equal time, Nate Silver is bullish on what this all means for Santorum:

The results, nevertheless, will provide an important test of how robust Mitt Romney’s coalition is on less favorable terrain than in states like New Hampshire or Nevada. And they could potentially revitalize the campaign of one of Mr. Romney’s opponents, Rick Santorum.

Nor should one go too far in dismissing the results. The process that Minnesota and Colorado use, holding separate votes for presidential preference and delegate selection at their caucuses, is essentially the same one that was used in Iowa. Missouri is a more debatable case, but as the first primary of any kind held in the Midwest — perhaps Mr. Romney’s weakest region — it may tell us something about how states like Michigan and Ohio are likely to vote when they hold key primaries on Feb. 28 and March 6, respectively.

Here’s the handy dandy Google Elections page for results. To toggle between Colorado, Missouri, and Minnesota, just use the “Showing results for” menu on the upper right. While we wait, two dumb clips to entertain you — one of Obama learning how a marshmallow cannon works and the other of Newt finally lapsing into tongues from his rage at Romney. Stay tuned for updates.

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Update: At 9:45 ET, multiple networks are calling Missouri for Santorum. He’s up by almost 30 points with 40 percent reporting as I write this. Still early in Missouri and Colorado, though.

Update: At 10:20 ET, NBC calls Minnesota for Santorum too. And no wonder: As I write this, he’s leading there by 17 points over … Ron Paul. (Gingrich is dead last, incidentally.) Can he sweep by winning Colorado too? Romney won big there in 2008, but with nearly eight percent of precincts reporting, Santorum’s out to an almost 30-point lead. Stand by for possible declaration of Santorumania.


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Let’s go Rick.

Southernblogger on February 7, 2012 at 7:48 PM

Hope this thread sticks around…

Electrongod on February 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM

404

Electrongod on February 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Hoping Santorum does well…

mcplumbercuda on February 7, 2012 at 7:51 PM

If Santorum wins, it will be for two reasons: 1) his disingenuous attacks on MassCare; and, 2) his strong following with Evangelical Christians.

Go Mitt.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Almost first! Still inb4bishop!

vegconservative on February 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Ricko…!

Seven Percent Solution on February 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Is it a salient point that we have to use a progressive liberal to beat one?

woe

RAGIN CAJUN on February 7, 2012 at 7:55 PM

double digit win for Santorum in MO and MN please, a strong second in CO, please!

vegconservative on February 7, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Rickmentum !!!
Rickmeister !!!
Rick Roll !!!

sauldalinsky on February 7, 2012 at 7:55 PM

Santorum as nominee = 2nd Obama term + Dem Senate + Dem House due to the overwhelming landslide against him.

AngusMc on February 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

I wasn’t aware Newt didn’t make the Missouri ballot either. Wow.

Ronnie on February 7, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Warted, Fearless, Consistent, Conservative.

Of those left, for me and Mammy………it’s Santorum 2012!

PappyD61 on February 7, 2012 at 7:57 PM

“she tried on her frilly panties and just made so much wood”

yeah

jaime on February 7, 2012 at 7:57 PM

Hope Santorum never wins any state.

Go Newt!!!

evergreenland on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Standard drinking game rules apply…

… Extra drinky-poos when anyone says “Beauty Contest“!

“The polls in Missouri’s “beauty contest” primary close at 8 p.m. ET,…

DRINK…!!!

/

Seven Percent Solution on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Santorum’s answer on the internet was terrible. He will not get any significant following under 45 years of age.

antisense on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Rush Limbaugh had a hugely funny parody of the Clint Eastwood infomercial.

SparkPlug on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Palm the Tuna!

JohnGalt23 on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

Youtube linke to live feed from the Romney victory party.

sauldalinsky on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I personally have a lot of time for Rick Santorum and have tried to live my own life much as he does.

But a social conservative who’s coming off being defeated for re-election? He’s gonna be a tough sell for all those independents.

Drained Brain on February 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Extra drinky-poos when anyone says “Beauty Contest“!

“The polls in Missouri’s “beauty contest” primary close at 8 p.m. ET,…

DRINK…!!!

/

Seven Percent Solution on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

I hope you have a spare liver or two lying around.

JohnGalt23 on February 7, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Let’s Go Rick!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

I think my daughter will be winning a few “Beauty Contest“!s

astonerii on February 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

If Santorum wins, it will be for two reasons: 1) his disingenuous attacks on MassCare; and, 2) his strong following with Evangelical Christians.

Go Mitt.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Disingenuous? You do mean telling the truth, right?

GO RICK!!!

razorbackchick on February 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Santorum is going no where no matter how many big names endorses him , he is the flavor of the week maybe 2 weeks thats all.

evergreenland on February 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Rush Limbaugh had a hugely funny parody of the Clint Eastwood infomercial.

SparkPlug on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

You mean this one. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Disingenuous? You do mean telling the truth, right?

razorbackchick on February 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

No, I specifically mean his pretense at not knowing the difference between states’ rights and the federal government.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:03 PM

razorbackchick :
I totally agree!

mcplumbercuda on February 7, 2012 at 8:03 PM

This race is going to the convention. Book it! Should be very exciting and bloody!

davemason2k on February 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Guyz NEWT DA HUTT is the only conservative alternative to Obama Santorum is a spoiler etc. etc.

1punchWill on February 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM

I don’t care what it takes. I want Mittens kneecapped. Before Ann Cult-her lost her mind she predicted that Republicans would be stupid to make Mittens their nominee because he would lose to Obama. I guess she decided to join them instead of fighting him. Cult-her, must think we are lemmings because she keeps trying to get conservatives to go off the cliff with her.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM

This race is going to the convention. Book it! Should be very exciting and bloody!

davemason2k on February 7, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Let’s hope so.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:05 PM

Hey Everyone

Far right nut job Billo the clown just announced Obama was right to bail out the auto industry. Very funny.

Uppereastside on February 7, 2012 at 8:06 PM

No matter who the gop nominates they will be depicted as the spawn of Satan.

Why not nominate the most Conservative and let the candidate nominate someone like Allen West for Veep and let the MSM go COMPLETELY INSANE for 3 months!!!!!!!

Principles first!!

PappyD61 on February 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM

If Santorum wins, it will be for two reasons: 1) his disingenuous attacks speaking the truth on MassCare; and, 2) his strong following with Evangelical Christians.

Go Mitt.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Fixed for accuracy.

Go ABR.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Almost first!

vegconservative on February 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

People still do this?

rndmusrnm on February 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

So, choosing between a serial adulterer, a perfectly lubricated weathervane, and a dark ages proponent. All of whom are big-government statists.

Sigh.

mythicknight on February 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

let the MSM go COMPLETELY INSANE for 3 months!!!!!!!

Principles first!!

PappyD61 on February 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM

I’m sorry, but as much as I would like to see the MSM go completely insane, I would much rather nominate a candidate who will beat BHO. Rick Santorum is not that man (although I admit he’s a heck of a lot better than Newt Gingrich).

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Got my sweater vest on and a tub of popcorn.

BoxHead1 on February 7, 2012 at 8:10 PM

No matter who the gop nominates they will be depicted as the spawn of Satan.

Why not nominate the most Conservative and let the candidate nominate someone like Allen West for Veep and let the MSM go COMPLETELY INSANE for 3 months!!!!!!!

Principles first!!

PappyD61 on February 7, 2012 at 8:07 PM

A lot of GOP primary voters have bought the “Mittens is the most electable” bs hook, line and sinker. And are putting party over principles.

I guess they didn’t LEARN anything from Mr. Electable McLame 2008.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Fixed for accuracy.

Go ABR.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Ever read the 10th amendment? Tell me how it doesn’t TOTALLY undermine Santorum’s attacks on MassCare? I’ll wait.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Almost first!

vegconservative on February 7, 2012 at 7:54 PM

People still do this?

rndmusrnm on February 7, 2012 at 8:08 PM

You must be a Noob.
Bishop is always first. It’s in his Ohio union contract-so he claims anyway. Anyone else that claims to be first is merely a place-holder for Bish.
Oh and-BISHOP!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM

We could listen to some racist music while we wait for the results.

jaime on February 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Two words now define newt….

BACON SLAP!!!!!

Wolfmoon on February 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Mitt Romney is slicking his hair back in anger!

davemason2k on February 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM

I’m sorry, but as much as I would like to see the MSM go completely insane, I would much rather nominate a candidate who will beat BHO. Rick Santorum is not that man (although I admit he’s a heck of a lot better than Newt Gingrich).

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:09 PM

So you still believe in the “electability myth” even after Mr. Electable 2008 Juan McLame went down in flames?

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:13 PM

O’Reilly just proved he does not look at polling data. He doesn’t think Santorum will win any of the 3 tonight. I am seeing a probable 2 of 3.

Southernblogger on February 7, 2012 at 8:13 PM

You must be a Noob.
Bishop is always first. It’s in his Ohio union contract-so he claims anyway. Anyone else that claims to be first is merely a place-holder for Bish.
Oh and-BISHOP!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Ohio? That’s my territory… I don’t take kindly to rival silverbacks in my domain.

antisense on February 7, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Ever read the 10th amendment? Tell me how it doesn’t TOTALLY undermine Santorum’s attacks on MassCare? I’ll wait.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Easy, Romney believes in Romneycare. Defends Romneycare. Has several aspects of Romneycare that he sees in Obamacare he wants to keep in place, creating the real and true RObamneycare.

All of the things Romney likes about Romneycare lead back to a requirement for an individual mandate in order to function…

astonerii on February 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

So you still believe in the “electability myth” even after Mr. Electable 2008 Juan McLame went down in flames?

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Keep beating that drum, but John McCain was nowhere near the consensus “most electable” candidate in 2008. And more importantly, the second coming of Ronald Reagan would have lost to just about anybody the Democrats put up in 2008 due to the overwhelming strength of the anti-Bush sentiment.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

My husband was telling me about that ABC piece just a few minutes ago. He said the Boy King appeared to be straining a bit to push the plunger on the pump. I just showed him the clip here and he said ABC must have edited it, because that’s not what he saw on their evening news broadcast.

Flora Duh on February 7, 2012 at 8:17 PM

To the best of my ability, I can’t figure out why Romney backers continue to slam Evangelical Christians. They speak of them as lepers on a deserted island, if they don’t support mittens. It is really disgusting to witness such arrogance, only Obama himself can rival this disgust. Guns and bibles you know.

DDay on February 7, 2012 at 8:17 PM

CNN is saying all states closed to Republicans only have all had low turnout. Lol

davemason2k on February 7, 2012 at 8:17 PM

All of the things Romney likes about Romneycare lead back to a requirement for an individual mandate in order to function…

astonerii on February 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Clearly you are entirely unfamiliar with the 10th amendment as well (or unconcerned with applying it to this situation).

State, Federal, State, Federal, State, Federal. That’s really all you need to know.

Furthermore, Romney has stated that his first day in office he will issue a waiver to all 50 states on ObamaCare. But I guess we have to just assume he’s lying, since he loves MassCare so much, right?

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Ever read the 10th amendment? Tell me how it doesn’t TOTALLY undermine Santorum’s attacks on MassCare? I’ll wait.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:10 PM

Really? So because he ONLY pushed through a giant poo sandwich at the state level makes it ok? Even though Mittens himself said he hoped his health care overhaul would be a blue print for a national health care law.

You Mittbots are pathetic.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Here’s the link to his Presidential White Papers from Club for Growth.

This is something I hadn’t noticed before.

Santorum Voted to Subsidize Abortion, Planned Parenthood

Flora Duh on February 7, 2012 at 10:57 AM

This was from this morning , hope it will shed some light.

evergreenland on February 7, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Keep beating that drum, but John McCain was nowhere near the consensus “most electable” candidate in 2008.

Yet he beat this year’s Mr. Electable. As bad as he is, and he’s awful, I would prefer him over Mitt again this year.

flyfisher on February 7, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I’m celebrating where I’m at!

I’m also eating MEAT to celebrate, got that Whale lovers?!?

The Nerve on February 7, 2012 at 8:20 PM

To the best of my ability, I can’t figure out why Romney backers continue to slam Evangelical Christians. They speak of them as lepers on a deserted island, if they don’t support mittens. It is really disgusting to witness such arrogance, only Obama himself can rival this disgust. Guns and bibles you know.

DDay on February 7, 2012 at 8:17 PM

If this was in response to my comment up-thread, please know that I deeply respect most evangelical Christians. I think the so-called “slamming” of them you see show up when they go out of their way to mock Mitt Romney’s religion. No one likes a bigot.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Keep beating that drum, but John McCain was nowhere near the consensus “most electable” candidate in 2008. And more importantly, the second coming of Ronald Reagan would have lost to just about anybody the Democrats put up in 2008 due to the overwhelming strength of the anti-Bush sentiment.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

so let me get this straight…..anti-bush sentiment was strong enough to get “anybody” elected…but anti-obama sentiment will have virtually no effect this year?

Um….OK…..good luck with that.

Tim_CA on February 7, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Drink one for me 7%

It’s bowling night and I’m doing lousy

cmsinaz on February 7, 2012 at 8:20 PM

Clearly you are entirely unfamiliar with the 10th amendment as well (or unconcerned with applying it to this situation).

State, Federal, State, Federal, State, Federal. That’s really all you need to know.

Furthermore, Romney has stated that his first day in office he will issue a waiver to all 50 states on ObamaCare. But I guess we have to just assume he’s lying, since he loves MassCare so much, right?

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Clearly you don’t REALIZE that your argument just fell apart. Because HALF of Romneycare’s budget comes from the FEDERAL govt. Which means taxpayers from all 50 states have to pay for it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:21 PM

You Mittbots are pathetic.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Wow, you still haven’t even read it yet have you? And thanks for the ad hominem. That really strengthens your argument.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Mitt Romney needs to loosen up and try something like this

http://cdn2.holytaco.com/wp-content/uploads/images/2010/11/Clinton.jpg

davemason2k on February 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Easy, Romney believes in Romneycare. Defends Romneycare. Has several aspects of Romneycare that he sees in Obamacare he wants to keep in place, creating the real and true RObamneycare.

All of the things Romney likes about Romneycare lead back to a requirement for an individual mandate in order to function…

astonerii on February 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Get over it. He’s only said 654169746437437 time that he’s going to repeal Obamacare, and not keep any of it.

Troll is troll.

1punchWill on February 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Clearly you don’t REALIZE that your argument just fell apart. Because HALF of Romneycare’s budget comes from the FEDERAL govt. Which means taxpayers from all 50 states have to pay for it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:21 PM

It comes from Medicaid, which would have gone to those people anyways, making it irrelevant.

antisense on February 7, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Clearly you don’t REALIZE that your argument just fell apart. Because HALF of Romneycare’s budget comes from the FEDERAL govt. Which means taxpayers from all 50 states have to pay for it.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Only in the same way that most (all?) states receive medicaid/medicare funding from the fed. Apples and oranges.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:23 PM

C’mon guys Romney can’t throw and catch the ball.

1punchWill on February 7, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Didn’t RomneyCare get federal funding?

sauldalinsky on February 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Keep beating that drum, but John McCain was nowhere near the consensus “most electable” candidate in 2008. And more importantly, the second coming of Ronald Reagan would have lost to just about anybody the Democrats put up in 2008 due to the overwhelming strength of the anti-Bush sentiment.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Are you off your meds? McCain was the “consensus” most electable candidate. His “moderate” views were supposed to help us win independents. Of course those “slippery” independents went for the radical leftist Obama in large numbers.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

If the first .4% is indicative, Missouri is gonna be close; has Mitt and Santorum in a dead heat, per Google Politics and Elections.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Mittens and Frothy duking it out in a tough race in the Big MO.

Ron Paul getting creamed there.

JohnGalt23 on February 7, 2012 at 8:25 PM

You Mittbots are pathetic.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Most all of us anti-Mitts have still said we would suck it up and vote for him if it comes to that. Do you think the Mitt faction would maybe consider a reciprocal agreement. I don’t like any of the last three but it don’t matter what I like.

arnold ziffel on February 7, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Get over it. He’s only said 654169746437437 time that he’s going to repeal Obamacare, and not keep any of it.

Troll is troll.

1punchWill on February 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

And there’s a sucker born every minute.

cuz politicians never EVER lie.

dolt calling reg’s trolls.

Tim_CA on February 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Apples and oranges.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:23 PM

More like Granny Smith and Golden Delicious

sauldalinsky on February 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Let’s Go Rick!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Deja vu

Flora Duh on February 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Are you off your meds? McCain was the “consensus” most electable candidate. His “moderate” views were supposed to help us win independents. Of course those “slippery” independents went for the radical leftist Obama in large numbers.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

You just can’t help it with the personal attacks, can you? Yes, he was the consensus in the sense that he won the nomination, but he was hardly touted as electable in October and November of 2007, when many analysts predicted that his campaign was over.

And you’re still ignoring the larger issue of the political climate in 2008. Just about ANY Republican would likely have lost to just about ANY Democrat in that election due to the anti-Bush fervor.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Go Dick Santy!!

dforston on February 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Most all of us anti-Mitts have still said we would suck it up and vote for him if it comes to that. Do you think the Mitt faction would maybe consider a reciprocal agreement. I don’t like any of the last three but it don’t matter what I like.

arnold ziffel on February 7, 2012 at 8:25 PM

I’ll be voting for Mitt in the general, although I’ll be supporting Paul in the CA primary.

JohnGalt23 on February 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Romney wants all poor people to get free healthcare and food stamps

davemason2k on February 7, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Hm. Looking back over the primaries, is anyone else concerned over the voting patterns? Romney seems to do best in urban areas, while the rest seem to do well in less rural areas.

Would people tend to agree with that assessment?

Scott H on February 7, 2012 at 8:29 PM

This Evangelical Christian has no problem with Romney’s Mormonism.

Voter from WA State on February 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Like I said, I think the vast majority of Evangelical Christians are good people.

Longing4Lincoln on February 7, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Rush Limbaugh had a hugely funny parody of the Clint Eastwood infomercial.

SparkPlug on February 7, 2012 at 7:59 PM

You mean this one. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Yep that’s the one. I heard it live. It was even funnier cause I thought it was the real version for a few seconds. (:

SparkPlug on February 7, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Let’s Go Rick!

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:01 PM

Deja vu

Flora Duh on February 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM

That thought occurred to me as I wrote that.
Would have rather it was Perry.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 7, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Get over it. He’s only said 654169746437437 time that he’s going to repeal Obamacare, and not keep any of it.

Troll is troll.

1punchWill on February 7, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Says… Does…
Those are not the same thing.
He has never said that he was definitely not keeping any of it. Listen to him better. Even his campaign officials say Romney is not repealing the whole thing. Romney said he was not going to repeal it all. Repeal the bad, keep the good. The good parts for Romney include the incentive to have insurance… You do know what that is right?

Romney says all good things!!! I love Romney.
Obama says he will pay my mortgage and for my gas!!! I love Obama!

Wow, same level of scrutiny applied to both candidates. This should end well.

astonerii on February 7, 2012 at 8:30 PM

If he (Santorum) wins both easily, then he gets a bunch of positive media coverage to be the Media’s pinata this week

Fixed it.

Mallard T. Drake on February 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Voter: IMO, the funding matters enormously, because all of the 10th Amendment advocates seem to fail to realize that the 10th Amendment does nothing when a large proportion of a state’s obligations must be funded by the federal government.

Federal Gov’t to State: “Do X.”
State to Federal Gov’t: “No.”
Federal Gov’t to State: “Your funding is now cut off.”

Since the federal government is both allowed to give money to the states, and (ostensibly) has the money to do so, the 10th Amendment is not actionable.

Scott H on February 7, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Most all of us anti-Mitts have still said we would suck it up and vote for him if it comes to that. Do you think the Mitt faction would maybe consider a reciprocal agreement. I don’t like any of the last three but it don’t matter what I like.

arnold ziffel on February 7, 2012 at 8:25 PM

I’ll be voting for the guy who isn’t Obama. Seems like I’ve seen that same sentiment from most Mitt supporters. However, I have seen quite a bit of “I’ll never vote for Romney” sentiment from Gingrich supporters. That’s just my perception. Maybe I’m wrong. I hope so.

Rational Thought on February 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM

He has repeated it enough times in a public forum that I don’t think he would dare lie about it. There is no way he is that stupid. Only Obama can get away with that.

Voter from WA State on February 7, 2012 at 8:31 PM

uh huh.

deeds not words.

He still rabidly defends RomneyCare.

Tim_CA on February 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM

And there’s a sucker born every minute.

cuz politicians never EVER lie.

dolt calling reg’s trolls.

Tim_CA on February 7, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Romney kept the promises he made when running as gov, so you’re in tinfoil hat teritory – unless you think every candidate will refuse to repeal.

1punchWill on February 7, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Actually, Romney vetoed MassCare 4 times and sent it back to have provisions removed. He wasn’t the one pushing it. It was the state legislature.

Voter from WA State on February 7, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Let’s see: He took credit on Fox news for authoring it, and let’s see:
“The final legislation incorporates about 95 percent of my original proposal. So I think, overall, it is a major step forward. We will have health insurance for all our citizens without a government takeover and without new taxes required.”
(Jennifer Barrett, “Person Of Faith,” Newsweek.com, 6/7/06)

And let’s see:
Over 300,000 People Who Already Have Insurance Forced To Buy Additional Coverage. “The threat of state oversight came as insurers warned that more than 300,000 Massachusetts residents who already have health insurance would be forced to buy additional coverage to meet the proposed minimum standards under the law.” (Steve LeBlanc, “State May Mandate Health Plan Rates,” The Associated Press, 1/31/07)

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 7, 2012 at 8:34 PM

I’ll be voting for Mitt in the general, although I’ll be supporting Paul in the CA primary.

JohnGalt23 on February 7, 2012 at 8:28 PM

LOL, I live in CA as well and by June the die is cast. Are you as happy as I am with the CA legislature?

arnold ziffel on February 7, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Voter: Romney has a large trust issue with the base. It doesn’t really matter what he says, as he is on record as having changed his stance on many controversial issues over time.

Therefore, even if he says he will issue ObamaCare waivers now, how do I know he will do it if elected?

Simple answer: I do not.

I believed the GOP campaign promises in 2010. That led nowhere. I will not believe them again.

Scott H on February 7, 2012 at 8:35 PM

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