Calif. court declares Prop 8 unconstitutional; Update: No ruling on fundamental marriage right
posted at 1:20 pm on February 7, 2012 by Jazz Shaw
News just began coming out a little after noon on the east coast. A California appeals court has struck down Proposition 8, which banned same sex marriage in the state.
A federal appeals court Tuesday struck down California’s ban on same-sex marriage, clearing the way for the U.S. Supreme Court to rule on gay marriage as early as next year.
The 2-1 decision by a panel of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals found that Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that limited marriage to one man and one woman, violated the U.S. Constitution. The architects of Prop. 8 have vowed to appeal.
The ruling was narrow and likely to be limited to California.
“Proposition 8 served no purpose, and had no effect, other than to lessen the status and human dignity of gays and lesbians in California,” the court said.
The ruling upheld a decision by retired Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn R. Walker, who struck down the ballot measure in 2010 after holding an unprecedented trial on the nature of sexual orientation and the history of marriage.
The ruling backs up the previous decision by the now retired Judge Vaughn Walker who gave it a thumbs down in 2010. His case drew national attention for being more of a social circus weighing the value of marriage as a whole rather than the specifics of the law.
Speaking of Walker, in a separate but related ruling, the court refused to kill off Walker’s original findings, which some opponents had decried, saying he should have disclosed that he was both gay and in a long term relationship himself.
This is a lengthy ruling and I’m still looking for a copy of the entire decision, which we’ll link as soon as we have it. (See Update 2 below)
UPDATE: (Jazz) The AP is noting that, even with today’s ruling, it is unlikely that gay marriages will resume any time soon, since further appeals will probably keep things tied up for months to come.
Even if the panel upholds the lower court ruling, it could be a while before same-sex couples can resume marrying in the state. Proposition 8′s backers plan to appeal to a bigger 9th Circuit panel and then the U.S. Supreme Court if they lose in the intermediate court, which would likely put its ruling on hold while that process plays out.
UPDATE 2: (Jazz) Link to the full decision for your perusal.
UPDATE 3: (Jazz) For an ongoing analysis of this decision and what it portends, keep up with updates from law professor William Jacobson at Legal Insurrection. His initial analysis is that this is a “bootstrap decision” but he will do a far better job than I of getting into the legal eagle technicalities here.
UPDATE 4: (Allahpundit) I can’t copy/paste the key part for some reason, so scroll down to the bottom of page 46 of the majority opinion and read from there to the bottom of page 48. The Ninth Circuit could have gone four ways here: (1) They could have found a fundamental right to marry whomever you wish regardless of gender; (2) they could have found that gays are a historically persecuted “suspect class” and therefore laws discriminating against them are invalid unless there’s a very compelling state interest at stake; (3) they could have found more narrowly that Prop 8 serves no rational purpose in advancing any state interest, in which case they wouldn’t have to reach any of the big questions about gays or marriage to find the law unconstitutional; (4) they could have upheld the law.
Number four was never going to happen with a court this liberal, but numbers one and two were possibilities. Instead, they went the third route, which was the tamest possible way to strike Prop 8 down as a violation of the Equal Protection Clause. The key Supreme Court precedent here, and the subject of most of the jousting between the majority and the dissent, is the 1996 case Romer v. Evans, in which Anthony Kennedy wrote for a majority of six in striking down a Colorado law that expressly barred any “special rights” from being granted to gays. Kennedy also took the tame option in that case, passing on the issue of whether gays are a “suspect class” and finding instead that Colorado’s law was invalid because there was no rational purpose to its discrimination. The question before the Ninth Circuit was whether there’s a rational purpose to discriminating against gays specifically in the context of marriage; read the opinions yourself for the back and forth about marriage and procreation on that. I’m intrigued, though, as to why the famously liberal Stephen Reinhardt wasn’t more aggressive in his majority opinion. Did he want to find that gays are a “suspect class” under the Equal Protection Clause, which would therefore have warranted strict judicial scrutiny of Prop 8, but couldn’t get the other judge in the majority to go along? Or was this a strategic decision, figuring that if he followed Kennedy’s logic in Romer v. Evans closely, this ruling would have a better shot of being upheld by the Ninth Circuit en banc and, eventually, by the Supremes themselves? If the goal was to force the High Court to rule on it, then the strategy should have been to be as bold as possible and create a circuit split on the core constitutional issues at stake. Reinhardt didn’t do that. Curious.
Question for con law junkies: How does this affect the likelihood of the Supreme Court granting cert? Since the Ninth stuck with Romer, there’s no pressing need to intervene. I’m not even sure offhand if this ruling creates a circuit split. If not, though, and the Court ends up passing on cert, then an en banc Ninth Circuit hearing is the last hope for gay-marriage opponents in California.
Update 5: (Allahpundit) The other key passage, I think, starts on page 39 of Reinhardt’s opinion and runs through page 40. He notes that Prop 8 did nothing to deny gays the rights traditionally associated with marriage, which are granted under California’s domestic partnership law, but merely the designation of “marriage” itself. That’s key to the ultimate ruling that Prop 8 served no rational purpose in advancing a legitimate state interest. If all you’re doing is denying gays the label and not the attendant benefits of marriage, then what is there to the law except pure stigma?
Update 6: (Jazz) Analysis from our non-resident attorney at Outside the Beltway, Doug Mataconis, largely agrees with what Allahpundit notes, with a few exceptions. First, the short term impact and rationale.
Perhaps the most significant thing about the Court of Appeals decision here, both legally and politically, is the manner in which it is narrowly tailored. To a large degree, the Court’s decision is limited to the specific situation of Proposition 8 itself and the issue of the Constitutionality of taking away a right that had been previously been granted. The decision also relies heavily on the fact that California law already grants same-sex couples and individuals a number of legal rights such as the right to adopt children that mirror a family but that Proposition 8 was enacted for the specific purpose of denying those same couples the right to obtain a marriage license and call themselves married under state law. As the Court held, there is no rational basis for this distinction
Here’s where he sees it going from here:
There are several paths forward from here. For practical purposes, it’s unlikely that the injunction on Judge Walker’s ruling allowing same-sex marriages in California will be lifted until all appeals have been exhausted so it will still be awhile before same-sex couples will again be allowed to marry in California. On the legal side of ledger, the proponents have two choices from here. They can appeal directly to the Supreme Court, or they could ask for an en banc hearing before the entire 9th Circuit on the hope that the full Court would reverse or limit the scope of the panel’s ruling. Both of those are within the discretion of the respective Courts, of course, so there’s no guarantee either request would be granted. In the case of the Supreme Court, for example, there may be a desire to avoid this topic given the other high profile cases the Court has accepted this term, and the manner in which this decision is limited largely to California may be one factor that allows them to do decline to hear the case. This issue will make it to the Supreme Court some day, of course, but that doesn’t necessarily have to happen immediately.
There’s a good bit more of Doug’s analysis, and like some of the other links, he’s a lawyer and I’m not. So, the usual disclaimer… read the whole thing.
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CycloneCDB on April 10, 2013 at 6:03 PM
I think this is a big waste of time by socons and I am one of them. Establisment Repubs are selling out the whole base and the whole movement on gun rights, fiscal principles, and immigration. Socons should just feel like one of the movement. Even if they affirm it; they will still sell you out; get used to it..
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 6:07 PM
Who in their right mind would ever think black voters would consider the GOP because of the gay marriage issue when Dems are feeding them affirmative action and food stamps while catering to every silly racial grievance they can come up with?
Mark1971 on April 10, 2013 at 6:11 PM
The gop is dead under the current leadership!!!!!
And no resurrection in sight.
God help us.
PappyD61 on April 10, 2013 at 6:12 PM
Social issues aren’t the only planks that have been jettisoned. Support for the Second Amendment, opposition to tax hikes, a firm stand against amnesty, never voting to fund Obamacare, etc.
steebo77 on April 10, 2013 at 6:12 PM
DEAD
DEAD
DEAD
DEAD
PappyD61 on April 10, 2013 at 6:13 PM
+1
gwelf on April 10, 2013 at 6:13 PM
If the GOP loses just 10% of it’s social conservative backers, they will never win another national election. Can you imagine if the Dems were to evolve their
position on climate change or abortion to enlarge their tent? They’re not that
stupid.
rich8450 on April 10, 2013 at 6:14 PM
Exactly! The whole party platform has been sold out to the highest bidder. Why wouldn’t they turn on socons if they think it will bring them votes. Funny, will be interesting to see the southern strong holds turn that are largely social conservatives.
I mean if I am going to choose between Dem and Demlite might as well go with the party that gives out free stuff..
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 6:16 PM
I’m probably as socially conservative as it gets and I question why we do this. The dems don’t exactly run on partial birth abortions, insane spending and open borders but we know thats what they are for. We are not going to outlaw abortions but we can certainly get federal dollars out of it and require paternity tests and police reports for rapes and incest for the 0.01% outliers.
Go fiscal responsibility, go constitutional and get serious. The rest is fluff.
DanMan on April 10, 2013 at 6:17 PM
The GOP Establishment supports all the inroads to one big centralized federal government. The only platform the elites support is supreme power for them and complete obedience and compliance from the base.
hawkeye54 on April 10, 2013 at 6:17 PM
As long as the free stuff lasts. When that party is over, and it will eventually be over, there’s gonna be a whole lotta turmoil.
hawkeye54 on April 10, 2013 at 6:19 PM
The difference though is that if Dems did this, they wouldn’t lose any votes. No pro-abortion leftist will EVER vote Republican. After all, Obama was supposedly against gay marriage but that had nil effect. Leftists are interested in power, which is why they win elections and lie like rugs.
COnservatives are interested in principles which is why they lose elections.
theblackcommenter on April 10, 2013 at 6:19 PM
Why we do what? Like I have said a million times, most socons are socons in reaction to the liberal left. It is no accident that the moral majority rose to power some time after the Roe v. Wade decision. It is the left’s unwilling to respect the 10th amendment on issues and use the federal governement and the judiciary as their own private mafia that makes socons socns. If Massachusetts and California want to become Stalingrad; I could care less, but I don’t want Tennessee to be taken down with it. As long as Dems continue to push THEIR SOCIAL AGENDA through the court and the federal government on me; I will continue to fight by using my social values as a counter-balance.
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 6:21 PM
You cannot possibly be as socially conservative as it gets.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:22 PM
Also on the table for discussion:
RNC To Discuss and Vote On Common Core Resolution
MM’s commentary on this: Rotten to the Core: Conservatives spearhead drive at RNC meeting to stop Common Core
Her twitter for updates:
https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/stop-common-core
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:25 PM
There’s a moderate v. conservative war on Common Core as well: Jeb Bush has been enabling Erne Duncan on Common Core.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM
the social cons are the deadweight of the party and they’ve allowed the democratic party the power it now enjoys
the social cons should just shut the hell up and vote for the republicans instead of trying to hold them hostage
nonpartisan on April 10, 2013 at 6:26 PM
Awww look the troll is trying so hard…
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 6:30 PM
Example # 1 for 3rd Party.
portlandon on April 10, 2013 at 6:31 PM
Screw the GOP. Let that party die as quickly as possible. It is worthless (since we already have America-hating dems who represent everything the GOP slime are for). We need a conservative party that holds the Constitution in high regard. The GOP must go … and go quickly.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM
3rd party just means Democratic rule from here on out
nonpartisan on April 10, 2013 at 6:32 PM
so you’re willing to cede control to democrats forever?
social conservatives cannot win without the other parts that make up the republican party
nonpartisan on April 10, 2013 at 6:33 PM
I have to disagree with you here, AP. A tremendous amount of women are single-issue on abortion/reproductive rights. A tremendous amount of blacks voted for Obama because of his skin color. A tremendous amount of gays are only interested in SSM.
John the Libertarian on April 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM
There’s far more to the platform than the section AP quoted.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:35 PM
Yeppers troll is trying overly hard..
Quick Allah put out a bad picture of Obama or some butt porn so it will get distracted….
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM
I want a national divorce. The dems have already destroyed America and rendered what’s left the American Socialist Superstate. The damage they and their Indonesian have wrought is irreparable.
I have nothing in common with any of these leftist slime, nor with the GOPers who collude with them and want them to be in a separate nation. They can fashion whatever third-world hell-hole they want but I won’t live in it.
I’m not a social conservative, Einstein.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on April 10, 2013 at 6:36 PM
Well and then there is the LIV who vote for no other discernable reasons other than the fact that someone told them that Repubs were racists etc. etc..
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM
The section on the First Amendment and religious freedom is also relevant.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:37 PM
I think a lot of folks are missing the real issue. Conservatives are nearing a decision point on whether to stay with the Republican Party. Either the GOP takes action to reassure them that the party still shares principles… or all of the speculation about a new party (or two) takes on more credibility.
As for the yahoos who immediately clamor that that would just guarantee the Democrats continued power, my question is – exactly how do you think that would be any different than where things are now and seemingly would remain anyway, under GOP leadership?
fabrexe on April 10, 2013 at 6:38 PM
nonpartisan, who s/b nobrain, is liberal4life, claiming to be ‘objective’.
You are the biggest dummy on the board.
Schadenfreude on April 10, 2013 at 6:38 PM
The GOP has had some pretty crappy chairs: Giliespie, Mehlman, Duncan and Steele; but Priebus will probably go down as the worst ever.
We mock Debbie Downer, but even she isn’t dumb enough to alienate her own base.
bw222 on April 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM
Then you better be nicer to the socons.
Telling them to shut up and vote Republican isn’t an option anymore.
portlandon on April 10, 2013 at 6:39 PM
Actually DanMan has a point that needs to be considered, as a libertarian conservative I also struggle with where the line should be with government involvement in social issues. For the record I’m an Episcopalian by choice, just as other Christians are Baptist, Mothodist, or Catholic by choice. I don’t want “Baptist” legislation anymore than they want “Episcopal” legislation.
,therefore I always consider the fewer laws there are the better.
Tater Salad on April 10, 2013 at 6:40 PM
No, I think we are all aware of that that is the real issue. I just think that at this point that having the GOP ‘reaffirm” the party platform means nothing. Look, they haven’t just sold out the socons, they have sold out about everyone lately. It doesn’t matter what the platform says- the GOP establishment who are in power don’t care. They only care about swinging so that they can retain power and if that means stepping on grassroots, tea party, socons and any new conservatives to retain power – who cares what the platform says. I don’t think they get how shaky the party actually is, but I think come 2014 and 2016; they will- Of course, socons will get blamed, but it won’t only be us not voting for them.
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 6:41 PM
Then you should be against SSM, because it will only increase government overreach.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:42 PM
Life and marriage are not mere peripheral issues that can be set aside and retain anything approaching conservatism.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:44 PM
You’re right, I’m against the federal government taking any sort of stand on SSM; either to declare it as a “right” or the effort to pass a Constitutional amendment against.
Tater Salad on April 10, 2013 at 6:46 PM
The Dems never could have accomplished the destruction of the country without RINO help – from Specter and the Maine b!tches voting for the stimulus to Snowe and Collins voting bills out of committee to McCain and his sock puppet Miss Lucy supporting gun control and amnesty.
bw222 on April 10, 2013 at 6:47 PM
Kudos for at least pretending that this is a bug to you and not a feature. *golf clap*
Kataklysmic on April 10, 2013 at 6:48 PM
Good lord, the Republican Party is skilled at only one thing . . . walking on their privates with with golf shoes.
rplat on April 10, 2013 at 6:49 PM
I don’t think that’s been the direction of the language. The aim has always been to affirm marriage.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 6:53 PM
It already is affirmed via the current tax code, which is almost the only place marriage is dealt with on a federal level. I’m for the status quo; no change of the definition, nor constitutional amendment to affirm.
Tater Salad on April 10, 2013 at 6:58 PM
The aim of the language in various resolutions has been to affirm the status quo, if you were, in the face of those who want to redefine it. It’s not enough to sit back and say I’m for the status quo.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 7:12 PM
They sold me and my fiscal brethren out during Bush’s first term and haven’t tossed me a bone since. Don’t worry though, there’s plenty of room in the back of the bus for all of us. :)
alchemist19 on April 10, 2013 at 7:34 PM
What if “those who want to redefine it” are the voters, as in Washington, Maine and Maryland this past November?
cam2 on April 10, 2013 at 8:09 PM
There was a rep I forget his name on Greta who was asked why the don’t sopeana the survivors of Benghazi and he said “Ask leadership”. you can bet your bottom dollar that Obama told Boehner to lay off on Benghazi or else and he caved.
Conan on April 10, 2013 at 8:15 PM
Don’t worry.. I’ll sit by ya honey.. :)
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM
Tell these Big Government Social Cons to take a hike.
We all know they’d love Obama if he were anti-abortion and hated gays. They’d be fine with the socialism.
DRayRaven on April 10, 2013 at 8:36 PM
You need to get together with nonpartisan; you are as ridiculous as that troll.
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 8:43 PM
Yep, and this is also going to be the key to gaining the votes of all those traditionally minded Catholic Hispanics.
Mr. Arkadin on April 10, 2013 at 8:50 PM
And the number of times that Republicans have gone into black neighborhoods with their message on social issues is…?
The problem with Republican outreach to minorities is that it often takes this form.
Stoic Patriot on April 10, 2013 at 8:57 PM
Didn’t they just reaffirm them at the Republican National Convention last August? They kept all the social issues in the party platform.
http://www.gop.com/2012-republican-platform_home/
The problem is the moderate squishes who want to cave in and “compromise” with the DemocRATS, and the establishment types who encourage them in their squishiness.
This social con is very close to leaving the R Party altogether, and becoming an “independent” voter.
JannyMae on April 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM
Yes, because if you support traditional marriage then you HATE GAYS, and you don’t care one iota about fiscal issues.
When we all take a hike because of dishonest a-holes like you, good luck winning another national election.
JannyMae on April 10, 2013 at 9:04 PM
Amen!
JannyMae on April 10, 2013 at 9:06 PM
I have just given up talking to people like him. I could tout my wonderful gay cousin whom I love immensely, but then it looks like I am using the “some of my best friends are gay” line. It ultimately doesn’t matter because people like DR have us all pegged in his little mind and no amount of arguing with him is going to change his mind. He has said much worse on AceofSpades about socons, so this is him being nice.
melle1228 on April 10, 2013 at 9:10 PM
Yes, they did. After observing the waffling of the last month or so, this letter is holding their feet to the fire.
Schlafly wrote a letter to Priebus on March 1st. She signed this one, and I’d bet she was a prime mover in writing it. She’s never been one to sit back while the moderates waffle and weave.
INC on April 10, 2013 at 11:01 PM
The beauty of anonymous posting is that you can post such ignorant drivel with a clear conscience. Someone of a more intellectual bent would curb their typing as they considered the demise of the Whig party as the Republican party seized the Presidency from the Democrats by the 2nd election… less than 8 years… and forever smashed one of the planks of the Democrat party… SLAVERY.
And even though the Democrats fought against the Republican Civil Rights through segregation and the KKK, they completely lost that ideological battle until they had nothing left but to try and rewrite history to hide their shame of defeat.
So I would be careful about cheering the demise of the GOP…
Unless you’re one of those idiots that refuse to learn from history…
dominigan on April 11, 2013 at 1:24 PM