Lieutenant colonel breaks ranks: Afghanistan is a disaster, claims report

posted at 8:53 pm on February 6, 2012 by Allahpundit

Read it if you haven’t already followed the link from Drudge. His complaint is that military leaders from Petraeus on down aren’t leveling with the public about how bad things are on the ground, but this feels like a strange debate to have when the die on withdrawal has apparently already been cast. The White House claimed last week that Panetta’s comments about ending combat operations a year early were misunderstood, but here’s the NYT with a new report today about drawing down regular combat troops and offsetting their loss with a stronger presence of special forces to target Taliban units as circumstances require. The era of counterinsurgency is over, in other words, which means this report is less relevant as a catalyst for a change in policy than in the extent to which Obama will be able to spin the war as a victory when the withdrawals begin in earnest.

I saw the incredible difficulties any military force would have to pacify even a single area of any of those provinces; I heard many stories of how insurgents controlled virtually every piece of land beyond eyeshot of a U.S. or International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) base.

I saw little to no evidence the local governments were able to provide for the basic needs of the people. Some of the Afghan civilians I talked with said the people didn’t want to be connected to a predatory or incapable local government.

From time to time, I observed Afghan Security forces collude with the insurgency…

In all of the places I visited, the tactical situation was bad to abysmal. If the events I have described — and many, many more I could mention — had been in the first year of war, or even the third or fourth, one might be willing to believe that Afghanistan was just a hard fight, and we should stick it out. Yet these incidents all happened in the 10th year of war.

As the numbers depicting casualties and enemy violence indicate the absence of progress, so too did my observations of the tactical situation all over Afghanistan.

Plenty of anecdotes about Afghan troops’ haplessness and/or corruption at the link. The thing is, I’ve been reading news stories in that vein sporadically for years now. Davis would presumably say that that’s the point, that as the years roll on the same problems recur, but you don’t need his report to realize that. Look no further than the new NIE on Afghanistan, which the LA Times summarizes as warning that “security gains from an increase in American troops have been undercut by pervasive corruption, incompetent governance and Taliban fighters operating from neighboring Pakistan”. Or consider the bombshell NATO report based on detainee interrogations that was leaked just a few weeks ago describing “widespread collaboration between the insurgents and Afghan police and military,” in the BBC’s words, and concluding that the Taliban think they’ll be back in control of the country after the U.S. leaves. Davis’s claims are, unfortunately, old news. And while it’s true that 55 percent think things in Afghanistan were going very or fairly well as of last month, 56 percent nonetheless wanted the troops pulled ASAP rather than kept in place until the country has stabilized. What his report adds is a public note of dissent from within the ranks, but if you’ve been following the news, I don’t know how much extra weight that adds to the scale by now.


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First…annnnd here we go…get ready for the fall out.

MooCowBang on February 6, 2012 at 8:54 PM

The Dithering Of Hopey!!!

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 8:55 PM

But, but, but I was told Soetoro’s foreign policy was ‘bolstered’ by him personally killing OBL! Was that a lie?!

BHO Jonestown on February 6, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Lieutenant colonel…..

Lets hear Obama say this off of TOTUS

Electrongod on February 6, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Lieutenant colonel…..
Lets hear Obama say this off of TOTUS

Electrongod on February 6, 2012 at 8:57 PM

Electrongod:Thats……Left-tenant Colonel!(sarc):)

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Remember when Afghanistan was the good war? Yeah, good times.

John the Libertarian on February 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Let`s just do as-needed counter terrorism ops and wash our hands of that place. It`s hopeless and virtually an enemy in sheeps clothing.

ThePrez on February 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

We should’ve bombed them back to an earlier stone age than they were already living in and gotten out with the promise of more bombing if they caused more trouble.

Flange on February 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

I suppose the upside/downside of not knowing what winning looks like is not knowing what losing looks like. Fear of and respect for Islam makes for powerful stupid.

BL@KBIRD on February 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Electrongod:Thats……Left-tenant Colonel!(sarc):)

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Or something that Newt wants to build on the Moon…
:)

Electrongod on February 6, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Lying, predatory, arrogant neocons hardest hit.

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM

This is one man’s account. Wait for the rebuttal.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:03 PM

O/t a smidge,Speaking of JihadyGoons,its getting grimmer!!
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Video:
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**(Warning–Graphic)

After Baba Amr hospital was bombed: a woman screams, a bloodied corpse on the street
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FreeSyrianArmy1, via @acarvinStory
Submitted 3 mins ago from http://www.youtube.com
http://www.breakingnews.com/
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حمص. باباعمرو – قصف المشفى الميداني 6-2-2012
Feb 6 2012
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acgvKR3uTY0

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Lying, predatory, arrogant neocons hardest hit.

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Anti-military Paul-bots the giddiest.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

If we would turn our military loose and let them win the war(s), they would have been over a long time ago.

Mirimichi on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Where empires go to die. Why western governments think these theocracies want a secular government is beyond me.

Bandit13 on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Electrongod:Thats……Left-tenant Colonel!(sarc):)

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 8:59 PM
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Or something that Newt wants to build on the Moon…
:)

Electrongod on February 6, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Electrongod:Lol:)

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:03 PM

True and I`m no expert. But to me it just feels like we`re spinning our wheels, stuck in a ditch over there.

ThePrez on February 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

“The Japanese only attacked Pearl Harbor because of our unfair foreign policy.”

-Franklin Delano Paul

Bishop on February 6, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Of course it’s a clusterfark. That’s what happens when you’re not willing to do what it takes to win.

Dack Thrombosis on February 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM
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Anti-military Paul-bots the giddiest.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

hawkdriver:Yup,the Neville/Ronulan-Chamberlian/PaulBots!:)

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Jeebus…and to think PBHO surged troops there and everything.

Now would be a good time for a march.

Bishop on February 6, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Lieutenant colonels are strange creatures. They are just below flag rank, and there is a great amount of “filtering” or “selection” to see who will be promoted.

On the other hand, this account is not incredible.

The problem with “nation building” exercises, is that they are inherently futile.

Given the activities of the Pakistanis this one is really iffy. I hate this stupid, you can’t chase the enemy into their “safety zones” sort of stuff.

CrazyGene on February 6, 2012 at 9:09 PM

Maybe Hamid will finally go help his brother at the brother’s restaurant in Cambridge.

catquilt on February 6, 2012 at 9:09 PM

hawkdriver:Yup,the Neville/Ronulan-Chamberlian/PaulBots!:)

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Really? Comparing Afghanistan to Nazi Germany?

What planet do you live on?

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Get out of Afghanistan.No point in fighting for those who do not fight for themselves. No more blood of our young men and women and our national treasure for a rat like Karzai. And NO asylum for him, EVER. Let the Taliban take over, and come out in the open. If they carry on with terrorism and destabilization of the region, send them our best wishes via airmail.

galtani on February 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Ten years too long. Bring America’s best back home. I am sick of the Middle East and its never ending drama.

jazzuscounty on February 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Imperialism does. not. work. Its a legacy of a bygone era. We can no longer exterminate people the way we once did, we can no longer strike terror in the hearts by locking everyone up and establishing an Apartheid regime. We can not carpet bomb an entire country into submission anymore. Humanity has evolved past that. Why on earth we think we can do this half-way imperialism crap and think that people will be fooled is beyond me. That’s really the worst part about it. Its not the human rights abuses, those are part of war. It is this incredibly insulting idea that Afghanis (who know a thing or two about imperial occupation) were *ever* going to look at the U.S. and say “nope, totally diff than the Soviets and everyone else who’s ever tried to conquer us, don’t recognize this as similar at all.” Just bad policy.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

True and I`m no expert. But to me it just feels like we`re spinning our wheels, stuck in a ditch over there.

ThePrez on February 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

It’s getting worse for one just because of the reduction in force because of the budget. Given the timetable, it is what it is.

I know what my old unit is doing though. And for having 30 percent less of what they started their deployment with, they still have some pretty stunning successes. This guy obviously didn’t visit the CAB. An article like this is not really for any uniformed officer to make, not the least of which an LTC in the big scheme of things. I won’t pass any opinion what his aim is. I’d just wait a day or too. Someone will make comment on his claims.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:13 PM

It’s way too late and too far gone for “i told you so’s” but I sincerely hope this illustrates the validity of the libertarian-paleocon stance on nation building. If the government can’t do it right over here, we sure as sh!t ain’t gonna get it right over there.

abobo on February 6, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Lying, predatory, arrogant neocons hardest hit.

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:02 PM

True and I`m no expert. But to me it just feels like we`re spinning our wheels, stuck in a ditch over there.

ThePrez on February 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Well, heck, just find some sand to put under those tires and move the party south.

cozmo on February 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM

our national treasure for a rat like Karzai. And NO asylum for him, EVER.

galtani on February 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

He already has a American paid for mansion on one of those palm leaf Islands in the land of your last best allies, the Oil Ticks. He will be fine.

BL@KBIRD on February 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Tell that to your ‘Good War” Barry.

galtani on February 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM

The expected result of wars fought by committee thousands of miles from the battle zone…currying favor amongst all the participants sort of gets in the way of the mission.

Used to be the basic mission was to close with an enemy and destroy them.

Today it seems that even that is not politically correct…the military must fully identify each enemy combatant, compare their identification with any outstanding DoJ warrants, not use superior fire power nor tactics against them as that would be unfair, and while the paperwork is being processed to allow American troops to be granted the go-ahead by JAG, they must care for and provide for each enemy combatant according to International Court of Justice rules as well as local customs, being extra specially careful not to antagonize them, nor denigrate them. Any show of American Pride, bravado, and such is strictly verbotten. And, if permission is granted to actually engage in combat then the unit must wait until it is made abundantly clear to an enemy combatant that they are going to be targeted and killed…but…if they protest we are more than willing to allow them to appeal our decision.

I liked it better when the mission was clear and the objective was defined.

coldwarrior on February 6, 2012 at 9:16 PM

We can no longer exterminate people the way we once did, we can no longer strike terror in the hearts by locking everyone up and establishing an Apartheid regime. We can not carpet bomb an entire country into submission anymore.

Then I suppose it’s lucky we haven’t done that for decades.

Bishop on February 6, 2012 at 9:16 PM

America should have a “kick-ass” mentality – If you mess with us, we will go into your country, kick your ass and get out. You can clean up the mess and learn to act right.

bloggless on February 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

1/ I heard many stories of how insurgents controlled virtually every piece of land beyond eyeshot of a U.S. or International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) base.

2/ I saw little to no evidence the local governments were able to provide for the basic needs of the people.

3/From time to time, I observed Afghan Security forces collude with the insurgency…

4/In all of the places I visited, the tactical situation was bad to abysmal. If the events I have described — and many, many more I could mention — had been in the first year of war, or even the third or fourth, one might be willing to believe that Afghanistan was just a hard fight, and we should stick it out.

Sounds eerily like ‘Nam.

DevilsPrinciple on February 6, 2012 at 9:17 PM

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Left wing nonsense. You cannot be serious. Imperialism? Really?

jazzuscounty on February 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:07 PM
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Really? Comparing Afghanistan to Nazi Germany?

What planet do you live on?

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

JohnGalt23:

Ugh,the Fatherland.No,I was thinking Neville Chamberlian and
Ron Paul,share the same ideals,Peace at any/what cost!!

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:18 PM

Wait a freaggin tickaroo,this IS ON HOPEYS WATCH!!

Carry on!

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

This report is absolutely shocking.////

cynccook on February 6, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Well, heck, just find some sand to put under those tires and move the party south.

cozmo on February 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Sand?

Is there anything over there we are fighting for besides sand?

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

libfreeordie

Mindless drivel. These people are savages who still wipe their ass with their hands while complaining that pork is unclean. You are very apparently a FOOL when it comes to OVER THERE. There is no effing “Afghanis”. Hell there ain’t even an “us” over there. It’s barely even a country. It’s what’s left over that nobody else wanted. This effort is a failure now because president Hussein used this war as a campaign punchline. Hell it took him 9 months to even meet with the commanding general. The deliberate ignorance daily displayed by your kind of pond scum no longer amazes or amuses.

lm10001 on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Then I suppose it’s lucky we haven’t done that for decades.

Bishop on February 6, 2012 at 9:16 PM

It is, but we’ve still tried to occupy other nations so we got half the lesson, but not the entire thing. Those inhumanities were only part of ensuring the success of imperial projects. Now we just have unsuccessful ones. And they’re more expensive.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Tell that to your ‘Good War” Barry.

galtani on February 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM

The word “Kinetic” should be used too.
Oh…and “Action”

Electrongod on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

widespread collaboration between the insurgents and Afghan police and military…

Reminds me of the movie Braveheart when Edward Longshanks launched the Irish against Wallace….they met in mid field and hugged each other. What..if anything have we learned about tribal loyalties?

Twana on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Tell that to your ‘Good War” Barry.

galtani on February 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Id love to.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Imperialism does. not. work. Its a legacy of a bygone era. We can no longer exterminate people the way we once did, we can no longer strike terror in the hearts by locking everyone up and establishing an Apartheid regime. We can not carpet bomb an entire country into submission anymore. Humanity has evolved past that.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Humanity has what? Wow, dont know what to say about that. You should take a look at Africa and get back to us on what humanity has evolved past.

Sultanofsham on February 6, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Humanity has evolved past that.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Are we both talking about Afghanistan?

/

The Taliban and humanity in the same room really? You’re not very learned.

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:22 PM

lm10001 on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

And your successful strategy for transforming Afghanistan into a liberal democracy for under 100 trillion dollars is what exactly?

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:22 PM

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:03 PM
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True and I`m no expert. But to me it just feels like we`re spinning our wheels, stuck in a ditch over there.

ThePrez on February 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

ThePrez:I might be wrong,but,I thought Obama said he was driving,
and,he put it in (D) gear position,er,selection!

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

The Taliban and humanity in the same room really? You’re not very learned.

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:22 PM

Neither are you if you believe I was saying the Taliban has evolved. But do try again.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I had a relative who was a Marine LTC who was due to retire, but he felt he owed the Corps one more tour. He arrived in country last May, and fifteen days later and three days before his 25th anniversary, he and another Marine were murdered while eating breakfast by a turncoat guard. He was buried in Arlington two hours before the earthquake. This is just another Vietnam: waste lives and then leave with those who trusted us being at the mercy (or lack thereof) of the thugs in charge. No doubt, Obama will have a photo op celebrating the return of the “victorious ” troops.

FirelandsO3 on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

True and I`m no expert. But to me it just feels like we`re spinning our wheels, stuck in a ditch over there.

ThePrez on February 6, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Why do you hate the troops?

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Like I would grace Drudge with my clicks. Screw that Romney humpbot.

astonerii on February 6, 2012 at 9:24 PM

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

So who do you plan to write-in on the presidential ballot this November; you wouldn’t want to vote for that troop-surging, warmongering, predator drone sending guy currently in the White House, that’s for sure.

Bishop on February 6, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Really? Comparing Afghanistan to Nazi Germany?

What planet do you live on?

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Didn’t Buchanan, Paul and other isolationists anti-Americans claim Hitler was right all along, and the British and French were wrong to declare war after the invasion of Poland?

Didn’t Nazi parties funded by Germany in Britain, France and the US ran a full fledged Anti-War campaign during the phony war? Are you that much different? I find it hard to believe you’re a brain dead peacenik. It seems more acceptable to assume you’re am America hating fascist with underlying sympathies towards Islamofascism.

Masih ad-Dajjal on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

f we would turn our military loose and let them win the war(s), they would have been over a long time ago.

Mirimichi on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

My thoughts exactly! I have a son active in the Air Force, a nephew in the USMC and 2 other sons who served in the USMC. If we are not willing to go in and do what it takes to win and END IT don’t go and waste the lives of our fine men and women. You think America would have learned the lessons of Vietnam in what fighting a war politically does. But no because the A@#holes in DC aren’t the ones fighting or dying except they fight for their own petty careers.

ksmoola1 on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Yes the humanity

KABUL, Afghanistan — Twenty-four hours after a Taliban suicide bomber attacked the Finest Supermarket here, the family’s silver Toyota Corolla was still parked in front.

The police inspected damage from a separate suicide bombing on Saturday that killed the deputy governor of Kandahar Province.
There was no one left to claim it.

The car belonged to Massoud Yama, a medical doctor who worked in the Finance Ministry. Dr. Yama, his wife, Hamida Barmaki, a lawyer and human rights advocate, and all four of their children died in the attack.

Yep the humanity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpAOkVD_Hrc

Libfree you’re ignorant.

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

We should’ve bombed them back to an earlier stone age than they were already living in and gotten out with the promise of more bombing if they caused more trouble.

Flange on February 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

profitsbeard on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

FirelandsO3 on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I am sorry for your loss and only hope you will remember your justified anger at war mongering the next time a Republican does it as well. There’s too much partisanship on this issue. Americans have absolutely no reason to support the war machine anymore. Its NOT about national security. It is about sacrificing young men and women at the altar of defense contractors and foolish pride.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Lieutenant colonel breaks ranks: Afghanistan is a disaster

There is name for this kind of man. That word is patriot. Few and far between these days.

His complaint is that military leaders from Petraeus on down aren’t leveling with the public about how bad things are on the ground

Petraeus makes Joe Isuzu look like an honest man.

VorDaj on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Neither are you if you believe I was saying the Taliban has evolved. But do try again.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Dimwit you did state things have evolved …read your own effin words tool Sheesh. Twist and turn. You’re as dishonest as they get . Why are you so dishonest?

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Afghanistan = Operation Enduring Insanity.

VorDaj on February 6, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Libfree you are a Ron Paul voter then right?

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:27 PM

We should’ve bombed them back to an earlier stone age than they were already living in and gotten out with the promise of more bombing if they caused more trouble.

Flange on February 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

And sent over special ops to take out their biggest leaders as well. But this is the war we should fight.

astonerii on February 6, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Nuke the entire site from orbit, its the only way to be sure…

ray on February 6, 2012 at 9:28 PM

The expected result of wars fought by committee thousands of miles from the battle zone…currying favor amongst all the participants sort of gets in the way of the mission.

Used to be the basic mission was to close with an enemy and destroy them.

Today it seems that even that is not politically correct…the military must fully identify each enemy combatant, compare their identification with any outstanding DoJ warrants, not use superior fire power nor tactics against them as that would be unfair, and while the paperwork is being processed to allow American troops to be granted the go-ahead by JAG, they must care for and provide for each enemy combatant according to International Court of Justice rules as well as local customs, being extra specially careful not to antagonize them, nor denigrate them. Any show of American Pride, bravado, and such is strictly verbotten. And, if permission is granted to actually engage in combat then the unit must wait until it is made abundantly clear to an enemy combatant that they are going to be targeted and killed…but…if they protest we are more than willing to allow them to appeal our decision.

I liked it better when the mission was clear and the objective was defined.

coldwarrior on February 6, 2012 at 9:16 PM

Ayup.

Sultanofsham on February 6, 2012 at 9:28 PM

We should’ve bombed them back to an earlier stone age than they were already living in and gotten out with the promise of more bombing if they caused more trouble.

Flange on February 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

We have to build some roads & schools or something.

tetriskid on February 6, 2012 at 9:28 PM

So who do you plan to write-in on the presidential ballot this November; you wouldn’t want to vote for that troop-surging, warmongering, predator drone sending guy currently in the White House, that’s for sure.

Bishop on February 6, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Rhetorical question right?

The tool is bought and will vote for Obama. So much blood on his hands.

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:28 PM

Oops
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White House:
**************

No NATO decision made to transition Afghan security in 2013;

Panetta comments referred to possibility, not decision

@Reuters Story
Submitted Feb. 2, 2012, 2:04 p.m.
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/afghanistan

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:29 PM

We should’ve bombed them back to an earlier stone age than they were already living in and gotten out with the promise of more bombing if they caused more trouble.

Flange on February 6, 2012 at 9:00 PM

*sigh* yes, you can rah and rah all you want. But no American Administration, Republican or Democrat would ever unleash disproportionate force on a civilian population. It doesn’t matter how militarily strategic that would be. As I said, we’ve evolved past that. That’s how it used to be done, see Hiroshima and napalm in Vietnam. But American foreign policy will never return to those days when we could casually slaughter that many people. And since that is an undeniable fact (thank heavens) then it really is time to pack up the old imperialism lunch box and go home.

Libfree you’re ignorant.

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

I can’t help you if you absolutely refuse to read the words I write.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Or consider the bombshell NATO report based on detainee interrogations that was leaked just a few weeks ago describing “widespread collaboration between the insurgents and Afghan police and military,”

Bombshell? Only to the deaf, dumb and blind.

VorDaj on February 6, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Anti-military left doesn’t care. It’s unfortunate that it feels like their psyops/agitprop is working and the stories read as if they are pro-military.

Remember the daily tv updates, even hourly, on our ‘occupations’ of Afgan and Iraq? So far away, yet it feels as if it was only 3 years ago…

John Kettlewell on February 6, 2012 at 9:30 PM

So who do you plan to write-in on the presidential ballot this November; you wouldn’t want to vote for that troop-surging, warmongering, predator drone sending guy currently in the White House, that’s for sure.

Bishop on February 6, 2012 at 9:24 PM

I’m voting for the federal bench. I can still oppose imperialist foreign policy if I vote for Obama. Just like you’ll continue to disagree with Mitt Romney when you vote for him.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:30 PM

Afghan Taliban spokesman:
*************************

No peace negotiations agreed with International community, ‘especially the Americans’

– ReutersStory
Submitted Feb. 1, 2012, 6:01 a.m. by editor
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/afghanistan

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:30 PM

We can not carpet bomb an entire country into submission anymore.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:11 PM

When we need to, in the future, you will then realize that sometimes, to survive, you must, and will, and can.

profitsbeard on February 6, 2012 at 9:31 PM


Victory” is not our “Goal” in Afghanstan…” – Obowma

Seven Percent Solution on February 6, 2012 at 9:31 PM

This is one man’s account. Wait for the rebuttal.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:03 PM

There is no rebuttal. The whole sorry affair has been utter madness.

VorDaj on February 6, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Didn’t Buchanan, Paul and other isolationists anti-Americans claim Hitler was right all along, and the British and French were wrong to declare war after the invasion of Poland?

Masih ad-Dajjal on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Link to Ron Paul saying that?

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:32 PM

So libfreeordie is crr6, right?

cynccook on February 6, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar

rejects US demand to announce a ceasefire in Afghanistan, a source close to him tells NBC News

Submitted Jan. 29, 2012, 5:46 a.m. by editor
http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/afghanistan

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Anti-military Paul-bots the giddiest.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Anti militarism. Not Anti Military. There is a difference.

thphilli on February 6, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Why do you hate the troops?

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

I don`t hate the troops, I think they`re the best fighters in the world. It`s our political leaders that short change them and tie their hands……… You asshat.

ThePrez on February 6, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Bush had the wrong response after 9/11.
Instead of bombing the 7th century savages half-way across the world,
he should have secured the borders of our country and removed the 7th century savages from our homeland.

burrata on February 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

As a woman(and a free human, and a Patriot, and a Zionist) I kind of have a major problem with the Taliban taking over Afghanistan again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Didn’t Nazi parties funded by Germany in Britain, France and the US ran a full fledged Anti-War campaign during the phony war?

Masih ad-Dajjal on February 6, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Uh huh.

So, you are now worried that Afghanistan is operating a Fifth Column in America.

Go to bed, lad. You’ve had too much.

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM

So libfreeordie is crr6, right?

cynccook on February 6, 2012 at 9:32 PM

cynccook:Probably,an off-spring of GrowFins!!
(sarc):)

canopfor on February 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Anti-military Paul-bots the giddiest.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

It doesn’t take a “Paul-bot” to recognize insanity. Only an Islam-blind-bot would fail to see the insanity of this Bridge on the River Kwai to Nowhere.

VorDaj on February 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

There is no rebuttal. The whole sorry affair has been utter madness.

VorDaj on February 6, 2012 at 9:31 PM

Oh. Because the LTC says so or because you say so? Because, I have an opinion and I disagree with his assessment.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Neither are you if you believe I was saying the Taliban has evolved. But do try again.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:23 PM

So are you saying that the taliban are sub-human or is there some other reason they are not included in the word humanity?

Sultanofsham on February 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

What his report adds is a public note of dissent from within the ranks, but if you’ve been following the news, I don’t know how much extra weight that adds to the scale by now.

this was published in the AFJ and is surprising that it got this far. However, consider how it supports the administration position from last week, allah. What better way to support the admin’s position (and shift focus to Iran) than by showing what a dismal failure it has become.

ted c on February 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Libfree, you mistake me for one of those Anti-American losers who blame us for the ills of the world. If a war is worth fighting, then it should be all-out. Rules of engagement that put our troops at unnecessary risk are criminal. I know two names on the wall who served with me in RVN, and they were wasted by the same mentality that infests Washington today. Politicians, like the Generals in the Civil War, should be in the front lines. Perhaps, it would not seem like a game to them.

FirelandsO3 on February 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:04 PM

Anti militarism. Not Anti Military. There is a difference.

thphilli on February 6, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Sure.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:20 PM

As a woman(and a free human, and a Patriot, and a Zionist) I kind of have a major problem with the Taliban taking over Afghanistan again.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 6, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Then feel free to go over and stop them. But don’t ask Americans to sacrifice their blood and treasure for people, even women, with whom they share no bond of citizenship.

JohnGalt23 on February 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I’m voting for the federal bench. I can still oppose imperialist foreign policy if I vote for Obama. Just like you’ll continue to disagree with Mitt Romney when you vote for him.

libfreeordie on February 6, 2012 at 9:30 PM

You have blood on your hands. Sleep well tool. You’re a dishonest puke of the higher order. You might as well be guiding those drones yourself. Good job sick fu*k.

What a tool.

CW on February 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM

We should only leave Afghanistan through Pakistan. That’s where the problem is.

V7_Sport on February 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Alas, how is it breaking ranks if it supports the adminstrations policy of getting the heck out? One would think that breaking ranks would be to oppose the official policy. no?

ted c on February 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM

This is what happens when you don’t let the generals run the freakin wars. That, and the ROEs were killing us….literally.

Not only that, there’s this…
http://shark-tank.net/2012/02/04/25210/

Not only can they not fire upon combatants unless given permission to do so….they now don’t even get hazard pay unless said combatants are shooting at them.

Have I said yet today how mush I loathe our “CiC”?

tencole on February 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Oh. Because the LTC says so or because you say so? Because, I have an opinion and I disagree with his assessment.

hawkdriver on February 6, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Because the utter reality of it all says so. After 10 plus f-ucking years it should have sunk in by now.

VorDaj on February 6, 2012 at 9:36 PM

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