Quotes of the day

posted at 8:00 pm on February 4, 2012 by Allahpundit

“A United Nations Security Council effort to end the violence in Syria collapsed in acrimony with a double veto by Russia and China on Saturday, hours after the Syrian military attacked the city of Homs in what opposition leaders described as the deadliest government assault in the nearly 11-month uprising.

“The veto and the mounting violence underlined the dynamics shaping what is proving to be the Arab world’s bloodiest revolt: diplomatic stalemate and failure as Syria plunges deeper into what many are already calling a civil war. Diplomats have lamented their lack of options in pressuring the Syrian government, and even some Syrian dissidents worry about what the growing confrontation will mean for a country reeling from bloodshed and hardship.

“The veto is almost sure to embolden the government of President Bashar al-Assad, which brazenly carried out the assault on Homs on the very day that the Security Council had planned to vote…

“‘It’s a real massacre in every sense of the word,’ said a resident in Khaldiya, who gave his name as Abu Jihad. ‘I saw bodies of women and children lying on roads beheaded. It’s horrible and inhuman. It was a long night helping people get to hospitals.’…

“‘The army has weapons, and the people have weapons,’ one opposition activist said on condition of anonymity, recounting Saturday’s bloodshed. ‘Syria is finished for me. It is a civil war, and nothing will save us anymore.’”

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“Thirty years after his father massacred tens of thousands of innocent Syrian men, women, and children in Hama, Bashar al-Assad has demonstrated a similar disdain for human life and dignity. Yesterday the Syrian government murdered hundreds of Syrian citizens, including women and children, in Homs through shelling and other indiscriminate violence, and Syrian forces continue to prevent hundreds of injured civilians from seeking medical help. These brutal killings take place at a time when so many Syrians are also marking a deeply meaningful day for their faith. I strongly condemn the Syrian government’s unspeakable assault against the people of Homs and I offer my deepest sympathy to those who have lost loved ones. Assad must halt his campaign of killing and crimes against his own people now. He must step aside and allow a democratic transition to proceed immediately

“The international community must work to protect the Syrian people from this abhorrent brutality.”

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“This is strong language, says CBS News Washington bureau chief Chris Isham, instructing President Assad that he ‘must’ stop killing his own people and that he ‘must’ step down.

“But what is unclear is: ‘Or what?’

“‘What will the U.S. will do if Assad does not (as he most certainly won’t) comply?” said Isham. ‘Assad has shown that he will resort to any means necessary to stay in power.’

“With the U.S. having ruled out military intervention, and the U.N. Security Council failing to approve a resolution seeking Assad’s ouster, the enforcement mechanism – beyond sanctions – is now up in the air.”

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“Clinton warned that more violence would be in the offing if the security council was not able to act immediately.

“‘The endgame, in the absence of us acting together as the international community, is civil war,’ she said. ‘The potential endgames, if we are serious about putting this kind of international pressure on the Assad regime, making it clear to the opposition that they should pursue their changes in a peaceful manner, is the possibility of the beginning of a transition.’…

“Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov complained about the lack of a clear post-resolution strategy for Syria in his remarks in Munich Saturday morning. He said clearly that without further changes to the resolution, Russia would use its veto power.

“‘We asked the Americans and the Europeans, ‘What is the game plan?’ They say, ‘Well, in 15 days we’ll consider this issue again in the security council.’ My question is, ‘After that, what are you going to propose?’ Lavrov said. ‘It’s not a serious policy.’”

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“It’s not just the Sunni Arabs lining up against Assad. Turkey, after a recent flirtation with a Syrian-Iranian-Turkish entente, has turned firmly against Assad, seeing an opportunity to extend its influence, as in Ottoman days, as protector/master of the Sunni Arabs. The alignment of forces suggests a unique opportunity for the West to help finish the job.

“How? First, a total boycott of Syria, beyond just oil and including a full arms embargo. Second, a flood of aid to the resistance (through Turkey, which harbors both rebel militias and the political opposition, or directly and clandestinely into Syria). Third, a Security Council resolution calling for the removal of the Assad regime. Russia, Assad’s last major outside ally, should be forced to either accede or incur the wrath of the Arab states with a veto.

“Force the issue. Draw bright lines. Make clear American solidarity with the Arab League against a hegemonic Iran and its tottering Syrian client. In diplomacy, one often has to choose between human rights and strategic advantage. This is a rare case where we can advance both — so long as we do not compromise with Russia or relent until Assad falls.”

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“Once again, the courageous people of Syria can clearly see who on this Council supports their yearning for liberty and universal rights-and who does not. And during this season of change, the people of the Middle East can now see clearly which nations have chosen to ignore their calls for democracy and instead prop up desperate dictators. Those who opposed this resolution have denied this last chance to end Asad’s brutality through peaceful means under Arab League auspices. Any further blood that flows will be on their hands.”


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Already? It’s only 8:00 PM…

ExpressoBold on February 4, 2012 at 8:02 PM

Allah, has a date.

Kjeil on February 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM

WWRPD? (What would Ron Paul do?) Just kidding. I know what Ron Paul would do.

cynccook on February 4, 2012 at 8:04 PM

What is the motivation behind the Chinese and Russian actions, though? Are the Chinese and Russians so afraid of revolt by their own people that they are willing to support any totalitarian regime? Is that what this is about?

cynccook on February 4, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Allah, Hot date? I’m guessing. My wife will be happy. Thanks a lot.

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Did I or didn’t I forget that sarc/ tag, where is that tag anyway.

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 8:08 PM

.=?

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 8:09 PM

It’s okay Punny! (nickname given to me by another poster-since AP as a news service sucks and Allah sounds racist)…the Chinese are kool…they lend us lots of money! They always do the right thing!

KOOLAID2 on February 4, 2012 at 8:12 PM

In Islamic lands it’s always a Who song when regimes change.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.”

The Koran encourages dicatorships.

In emulation of Allah.

profitsbeard on February 4, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Good update here by the Mail.

cynccook on February 4, 2012 at 8:13 PM

.=?

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Is that you over my shoulder?

KOOLAID2 on February 4, 2012 at 8:13 PM

And people thought Russia and China have changed…

cozmo on February 4, 2012 at 8:23 PM

It as if the diplomats don’t realize that when you are a child…

… and you get your head cut off, you stay dead.

There is no cocktail hour and dinner at Chez Pinot, followed up by a visit by the mistress or the plentiful house slaves…

… Oh well, they get their paycheck regardless of the outcome.

By the way, I hear Obowma will be at the 16th hole tomorrow in Arizona…

/

(if it wasn’t so tragic, it would be sad)

Seven Percent Solution on February 4, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Same ol’ same ol’ in the Islamic Middle East. Those dirty Jooooos are the only ones who aren’t slaughtering themselves.

infidel4life on February 4, 2012 at 8:29 PM

And people thought Russia and China have changed…

cozmo on February 4, 2012 at 8:23 PM

You have no idea how bad it really is in Russia right now. The anti-Putin people held another massive rally all across the country today.

The stories coming from my family are not good.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 8:36 PM

We have a virtual Ron Paul in the Presidency. Nothing will be done.

unclesmrgol on February 4, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Same ol’ same ol’ in the Islamic Middle East. Those dirty Jooooos are the only ones who aren’t slaughtering themselves.

infidel4life on February 4, 2012 at 8:29 PM

I fear we are in for the same trouble here. Some Amish people in KY. are protesting because they don’t want to put that flashy orange triangle on their rides.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The stories coming from my family are not good.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 8:36 PM

You’re right. I don’t know. I wish your family over there well, and some luck. Russia is a great country that deserves a better government.

cozmo on February 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM

The stories coming from my family are not good.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 8:36 PM

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You could relate one or two of the most egregious ones, couldn’t you?

ExpressoBold on February 4, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Reset one more time !!!

galtani on February 4, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Some Amish people in KY. are protesting because they don’t want to put that flashy orange triangle on their rides.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM

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Yeah? What are they doing, refusing to build barns; taking home courses in electricity and solar power alternatives for home and farm use? What?

ExpressoBold on February 4, 2012 at 8:43 PM

“Many of the members of Congress of both parties who have gone to Syria in recent months have said they believe he’s a reformer.” — Hillary Clinton on Bashar al-Assad, March 27, 2011

Flora Duh on February 4, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Perhaps China and Russia just prevented/delayed wasting Western lives on Muslims and their pathetic sh*tholes again. Let Muslims and Islam sort this out.Islam is the answer they say and all Muslims deserve to get a thorough dose of Sharia in every orifice. You want NATO to go in and eventually have Muslims blame NATO for every deathX2 that ever happened in Syria? Has nothing jelled in the years since 9/11? They don’t export popcorn from Syria, so all is well.

BL@KBIRD on February 4, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Allah, has a date.

Kjeil on February 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM

Mega Mac is in town?

bw222 on February 4, 2012 at 8:45 PM

From an article I read earlier today most of the Christians in Syria support Assad.

They’ve learned the hard way (e.g. Iraq) that the murdering tyrant they know is actually preferable to the Islamic republic they don’t know.

bw222 on February 4, 2012 at 8:47 PM

What is the motivation behind the Chinese and Russian actions, though? Are the Chinese and Russians so afraid of revolt by their own people that they are willing to support any totalitarian regime? Is that what this is about?

cynccook on February 4, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Russia defense companies makes good bank selling arms to them among others and the industry makes up a good chunk of manufacturing in russia. They also have some natural resource deals with them also. And last but not least it annoys us.

Wouldnt doubt its the same with China but with the annoying part counting for alot more.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Obama is a fool and Hillary enables him.

Schadenfreude on February 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM

You’re right. I don’t know. I wish your family over there well, and some luck. Russia is a great country that deserves a better government.

cozmo on February 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I have read that many in Russia want a return to communism. Those too young to remember how bad it was and those old enough who for whatever reason remember the “good times??”

The older I get the more I realize I have been wrong about human nature. It appears that too many people would rather be taken care of than be free and independent.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM

You’re right. I don’t know. I wish your family over there well, and some luck. Russia is a great country that deserves a better government.

cozmo on February 4, 2012 at 8:39 PM

I’m not Russian, my family is still in Slovakia. I’m hearing news second hand from the family. The Russian people want Putin gone and the opposition has been arrested, jailed and disqualified from the ballot for the March election.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 8:50 PM

You have no idea how bad it really is in Russia right now. The anti-Putin people held another massive rally all across the country today.

The stories coming from my family are not good.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 8:36 PM

But, but — what could go wrong?

Protest organisers claimed up to 120,000 people attended the march while police put the figure at 35,000. There was an irreverent atmosphere: some came dressed as clowns, or knights on cardboard horses, while others banged drums. Groups of communists waved Soviet flags, and several hundred nationalists marched in in a phalanx crying in unison: “Russia for ethnic Russians!” However, the majority of demonstrators showed no party or group allegiance, and many had fashioned their own placards.

cynccook on February 4, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Explain to me again how the situations in Libya and Syria are so different that military forces (without Congressional authorization or notification) were sent in for one and not for the other.

Mitoch55 on February 4, 2012 at 8:55 PM

These brutal killings take place at a time when so many Syrians are also marking a deeply meaningful day for their faith

Almost forgot….Happy Birthday Mohammed!!!(<3buh)

BL@KBIRD on February 4, 2012 at 8:56 PM

strong language????

he’s quaking in his boots

cmsinaz on February 4, 2012 at 8:59 PM

I have read that many in Russia want a return to communism. Those too young to remember how bad it was and those old enough who for whatever reason remember the “good times??”

The older I get the more I realize I have been wrong about human nature. It appears that too many people would rather be taken care of than be free and independent.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I’m not sure if that’s true about the Russians, but it’s sure true of many older people in Eastern Europe. They were born and raised under communism, were used to their weekly food allowances, housing, etc. and they just haven’t been able to adapt to their freedom.

You can spot them a mile away on the streets. They never smile.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Explain to me again how the situations in Libya and Syria are so different that military forces (without Congressional authorization or notification) were sent in for one and not for the other.

Mitoch55 on February 4, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Syria has better air defense and Russia had agreed to embargo Lybia so they didnt really care what we did to them since they were not selling anything to them.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Assad is no better than his misbegotten father.

Russia and China are no better than their previous incarnations.

Our feckless leadership is as bad or worse than it has ever been.

Jugeared Jesus is starting to make it seem as though Mr. Peanut had some balls.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Syria has better air defense and Russia had agreed to embargo Lybia so they didnt really care what we did to them since they were not selling anything to them.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 9:01 PM

So in other words, we beat up the bully’s weak hanger-on, but won’t touch anyone else in the bully’s entourage.

Mitoch55 on February 4, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Thirty years after his father massacred tens of thousands of innocent Syrian men, women, and children in Hama,

our President is using a failed violent Islamic insurgency attempting to create an Islamic state led by the Muslim Brotherhood as a rallying cry? am i reading this right?, this is just one more notch in my mental belt confirming that this man is actively shilling and helping to come into power a MB led caliphate

golembythehudson on February 4, 2012 at 9:08 PM

You can spot them a mile away on the streets. They never smile.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Sir, I honestly cannot fathom why people would think communism or socialism is a good idea. Why would you work harder at a factory than Mike if you don’t get anything more for your efforts? I don’t want govt. which is ran by humans who are no better than me deciding my future and status.
Victor Belenko defected in 1976 w/a Mig 25 jet. Excellent book. He described in detail how bad things were under communist Russia. For a while he was overwhelmed in the US and even thought of going back and taking his medicine.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM

NEIL MacFARQUHAR and ANTHONY SHADID
Two points to draw from this article. It once again displays the eventual setup for what WWIII may in fact look like. Or Russia is looking to be the great savior, but for what reason, whats their advantage? If in fact this turns to civil war which some are arguing it already has what could possible be an end result favorable to Russia and China? I think we know. Once again the UN appears impudent.
CNN blog no author?
Normally I would think the US stand with the people and not the Government of Syria would be the correct course and am hoping that’s the case here. Considering 0′s track record in the ME these days, it may well turn out, to be just another piece in what will ultimately become. The New Caliphate.
(CBS/AP) no author?
Pretty much the same as the top article. “Or what.” = Nothing. The current administration see’s there poll numbers and will ultimately respond accordingly. To the administrations political needs. Might actually be in our best interest. Except for the killings. Touch spot made tougher by the Russian China alliance, and impudent UN, and a US political season. Pity for the Syrian populace. Unless of course they are Muslim brotherhood types and hate us.
Josh Rogin
Furthers the narrative of an impudent US, UN, and a strong position for Russia China pact . People suffer, Syrian citizens gain the least, while paying the ultimate price. The UN is nearly worthless at this point. At least in its current config. Perhaps if the civil war is eminent we should just allow it to play out.
Charles Krauthammer
I agree with Kraut for the most part, geo politically cutting off Iran at the knees via Syria is appealing. What replaces the Assad regime is where I have a bit more concern. Shitte vrs Sunni is just such a mess. Perhaps an unsolvable mess with in a time frame which is required to keep lasting peace amongst any of the factions. Add to that meddling from outside players and it seems a very desperate situation to be sure.
Video 1 An accurate appraisal of the impossible situation.
Video 2 A human tragedy playing itself out yet again. It will as have been before it play out in much the same way.
Video 3 A nice summation by Susan Rice.
It all sounds like the start of a perfect set up for WWIII, The ME will never have peace. And that’s coming from an optimist. We are just choosing sides at this point. This will be the bloodiest of all wars with a human too exceeding any seen before. It is becoming inevitable. This conflict may not be the one to start it. The next one may or not be, but at some point there will be war.

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Explain to me again how the situations in Libya and Syria are so different that military forces (without Congressional authorization or notification) were sent in for one and not for the other.

Mitoch55 on February 4, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Libya didn’t have the blessings of Ahmadinejad and Erdogan.

Just a small nit-picking little detail. Assad has the backing of both, plus the Russians and the Chinese, to a point.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2012 at 9:11 PM

Are conservatives, a group of people supposedly for national sovereignty and against the UN, really going to get upset that Obama’s stooge Susan Rice didn’t get her way at the UN?

aryeung on February 4, 2012 at 9:12 PM

“‘What will the U.S. will do if Assad does not (as he most certainly won’t) comply?” said Isham. ‘Assad has shown that he will resort to any means necessary to stay in power.’

With the U.S. having ruled out military intervention, and the U.N. Security Council failing to approve a resolution seeking Assad’s ouster, the enforcement mechanism – beyond sanctions – is now up in the air.”

IIRC the Boy King initially rule out military intervention in Libya.

With his disapproval numbers in the crapper and the election getting closer, how many really think he can resist another “kinetic military action” just so he can have another “kill” on his score card to brag about in October?

Flora Duh on February 4, 2012 at 9:13 PM

“‘It’s a real massacre in every sense of the word,’ said a resident in Khaldiya, who gave his name as Abu Jihad. ‘I saw bodies of women and children lying on roads beheaded. It’s horrible and inhuman. It was a long night helping people get to hospitals.’…

Pictures ?

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 9:14 PM

Touch spot=Tough spot

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Ironically, Iran and Turkey may eventually be on opposing sides of a future conflict, as both have maniacal narcissistic leaders with visions of grandeur beyond sanity. If only they existed in a vacuum.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

we should not get involved, i suspect our commander in chief will see this as another way to endear himself to the Muslim Brotherhood radicals who he shares a kinship with, but this is a shia-sunni civil war, let them fight each other and cause harm to their respective sects, helping these rebels will lead to the installation of a Muslim Brotherhood Islamic govt, whoever is on power will be hostile to the west. We should look at it like the Iran-iraq war, Iran was to busy fighting Iraq to turn outward

golembythehudson on February 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

These brutal killings take place at a time when so many Syrians are also marking a deeply meaningful day for their faith
Almost forgot….Happy Birthday Mohammed!!!(<3buh)

BL@KBIRD on February 4, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Thanks for clarifying what O’s vague “deeply meaningful day for their faith” means. We know where “my Muslim faith’s” sympathies lie, don’t we?

onlineanalyst on February 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM

“‘What will the U.S. will do if Assad does not (as he most certainly won’t) comply?” said Isham. ‘Assad has shown that he will resort to any means necessary to stay in power.’

“With the U.S. having ruled out military intervention, and the U.N. Security Council failing to approve a resolution seeking Assad’s ouster, the enforcement mechanism – beyond sanctions – is now up in the air.”

LOL. What a friggin retard.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Suffice it to say that A-jad and Erdogan’s support for Asshat Assad is conditional and self-serving, and may disappear like a feather in the wind.

The whole thing is a powder keg with a sparkler stuck in the bung-hole.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2012 at 9:20 PM

‘What is the game plan?’ They say, ‘Well, in 15 days we’ll consider this issue again in the security council.’ My question is, ‘After that, what are you going to propose?’ Lavrov said. ‘It’s not a serious policy.’”

Translation from politish to greedish :
Obama+Clinton+Pelosi to ASSad : Pay up sucka cuz the countdown begins …..right now

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 9:22 PM

So in other words, we beat up the bully’s weak hanger-on, but won’t touch anyone else in the bully’s entourage.

Mitoch55 on February 4, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Pretty much. I kinda figured Obama was looking to flying circus Syria like Lybia but its looking like he hasnt got the balls to tell the Russians he going to do it anyways. Plus with some of the things that are going on in Libia, like the way they killed that ex-diplomat, its not like he can use it as a positive example.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Suffice it to say that A-jad and Erdogan’s support for Azzhat Assad is conditional and self-serving, and may disappear like a feather in the wind.

The whole thing is a powder keg with a sparkler stuck in the bung-hole.

It’s a great time for our leadership to be snubbing our noses at our neighbor’s generous supply of energy resources (and thereby strengthening the country who is most likely the greatest threat to our future well-being.)/////////////////////////////////////////

I can’t imagine anything more short-sighted at this juncture.

hillbillyjim on February 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM

‘It’s not a serious policy.’ — Lavrov

What would he expect from a gang that couldn’t even translate one simple word from English to Russian for a very public, allegedly important diplomatic signal.

The funny part is that an “OVERCHARGED” button is exactly what’s called for, now.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on February 4, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Pretty much. I kinda figured Obama was looking to flying circus Syria like Lybia but its looking like he hasnt got the balls to tell the Russians he going to do it anyways. Plus with some of the things that are going on in Libia, like the way they killed that ex-diplomat, its not like he can use it as a positive example.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 9:23 PM

How many of the Arab countries can be used as positive examples?

aryeung on February 4, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Sir, I honestly cannot fathom why people would think communism or socialism is a good idea. Why would you work harder at a factory than Mike if you don’t get anything more for your efforts? I don’t want govt. which is ran by humans who are no better than me deciding my future and status.
Victor Belenko defected in 1976 w/a Mig 25 jet. Excellent book. He described in detail how bad things were under communist Russia. For a while he was overwhelmed in the US and even thought of going back and taking his medicine.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 9:10 PM

Please don’t call me “sir” that makes me feel old. LOL! I grew up behind the Iron Curtain, was almost 16 when communism fell.

Think about this, if you were born and raised your entire life under communism, how do you know that there’s a better way? I thought that everyone in the whole wild world only got 2 pears as a Christmas gift until I was about 12.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

IIRC the Boy King initially rule out military intervention in Libya.

With his disapproval numbers in the crapper and the election getting closer, how many really think he can resist another “kinetic military action” just so he can have another “kill” on his score card to brag about in October?

Flora Duh on February 4, 2012 at 9:13 PM

There is alot of low hanging fruit in Africa he can go after. I think he’ll do something sooner or later somewhere.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 9:31 PM

That Susan Rice is a real winner..//..:)

Dire Straits on February 4, 2012 at 9:33 PM

I thought that everyone in the whole wild world only got 2 pears as a Christmas gift until I was about 12.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

So I’m guessing people like you and me will have no problem with rationed food and gasoline and cooking gas and water and electricity , when it becomes the norm right here in the next couple of years :O

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Please don’t call me “sir” that makes me feel old. LOL! I grew up behind the Iron Curtain, was almost 16 when communism fell.

OK, kid. I got twenty years on ya.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

BL@KBIRD on February 4, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Amen. No more wasted American lives on this crap. These tribes have been killing each other for thousands of years, even prior to Islam. At least when they’re occupied with fighting each other they’re (temporarily) not fighting Israel.

aryeung on February 4, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Not at all. We’ve already seen how the foreign policy of the Obama regime has “improved” the region. Until the UN cracks down on Iran and NoKo (fat chance of either) this is all a dog and pony show.

infidel4life on February 4, 2012 at 9:40 PM

So I’m guessing people like you and me will have no problem with rationed food and gasoline and cooking gas and water and electricity , when it becomes the norm right here in the next couple of years :O

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

What is sad is we can see this coming and it could be headed off but nothing will change until people start suffering. Here in CA we have been threatened with rolling blackouts since we had a big electricity crisis in 2001. Have they made any changes to the grid or increased production—nope. People keep voting the same fheads back in power.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Bmore

O/T – Sixteen inches of snow and a two hour power outage this afternoon. Heavy, wet snow, but the wind wasn’t as bad as predicted. Nothing moving tonight. Enjoyed the blizzard. A couple of bottles of good wine helped. Now, on to Spring.

On/Topic – The best policy in the Middle East is to arm both side to the teeth. Let them kill each other. The whole world benefits.

Syria was once a center of Christianity and produced many great Saints. Now a craphole. Very sad.

Horace on February 4, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Not at all. We’ve already seen how the foreign policy of the Obama regime has “improved” the region. Until the UN cracks down on Iran and NoKo (fat chance of either) this is all a dog and pony show.

infidel4life on February 4, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Just today I saw a poster here talking about how the US could fix nations such as Syria.

aryeung on February 4, 2012 at 9:43 PM

we should not get involved, i suspect our commander in chief will see this as another way to endear himself to the Muslim Brotherhood radicals who he shares a kinship with, but this is a shia-sunni civil war, let them fight each other and cause harm to their respective sects, helping these rebels will lead to the installation of a Muslim Brotherhood Islamic govt, whoever is on power will be hostile to the west. We should look at it like the Iran-iraq war, Iran was to busy fighting Iraq to turn outward

golembythehudson on February 4, 2012 at 9:15 PM

I agree. The time to have done anything to Syria would have been when they were give safe haven to insurgents in Iraq. Its also where alot of the arms for them were coming from. We should have at least turned both its border with Iraq and Irans border with Iraq into a killing zone to stop that. Now that we’re out theres really no point.

Assad is a bastard, and when hes gone I have no doubt they find mass graves like they always do with people like him but if we tip it over would we be giving them something better or worse and I doubt it would make them like us any better than they do now.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Just more SMART Power!!!!1111!!!eleventy from the 0bama regime.

jukin3 on February 4, 2012 at 9:47 PM

So I’m guessing people like you and me will have no problem with rationed food and gasoline and cooking gas and water and electricity , when it becomes the norm right here in the next couple of years :O

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

You better believe it!

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 9:50 PM

OK, kid. I got twenty years on ya.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Thanks for the tip on that book. It looks great!

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 9:52 PM

How many of the Arab countries can be used as positive examples?

aryeung on February 4, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Not many but Obama put these guys in power and they make the news by pulling out that diplo’s toenails and then killing him. Doesnt make Obama look like he knew what he was doing by helping them. To be honest the GOP field should go after him on it this week since it did make the news.

Sultanofsham on February 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM

He must step aside and allow a democratic transition to proceed immediately…

Yeah, that’s worked so well thus far in Egypt and Libya.

I’m really starting to believe that the secular tyrants remaining in the countries over there are way better than the islamic tyrants that would take their place. Jugears knows that no transition to a “democratic” society will take place. Unless by that he means the one man, one vote, one time to transition to sharia law and subjection to the imams and caliphate.

Until islam goes the way of the thugee cult of Kali, then the people in those countries don’t have a chance at freedom. We need to make sure that they are contained and don’t have the means to cause problems for their neighbors or us, but that is the extent of our involvement.

AZfederalist on February 4, 2012 at 9:53 PM

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Maybe then idiot voters will realize the importance of energy independence. (If we even have elections anymore by then)

infidel4life on February 4, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Khadaffy – The Responsiblity to PROTECT.

Assad – The Responsiblity to dither.

More have died attempting to go after Assad than our casualties in Iraq for the entire conflict. Guess which one is the human catastrophe?

The Left can take its grand ideas on foreign policy, shove them and rotate them. Vigorously.

ajacksonian on February 4, 2012 at 9:56 PM

People keep voting the same fheads back in power.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Are you following the hysteria being raised in the ghetto+barrio churches these days ? These people are being told that their entire communities will disappear if they don’t vote for a tax hike in Nov because white Republicans are planning to wipe out the minorities by defunding welfare and foodstamps.
These are the people who vote often and at multiple locations.
We are scr00000d in CA

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 10:03 PM

It’s becoming increasingly clear, regarding events and developments in the Middle East, that, regardless of whether the US acts or refrains from acting, we are merely bit players being carried along by the events rather than shaping or otherwise affecting them.

It is mere hubris to assume that we have any control whatsoever.

Brace for impact.

Cleombrotus on February 4, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Dire Straits

QOTD song. A little strange, but is in keeping with the thread, only mildly weirder then the middle east.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UHWoyskYQ

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Horace
Sounds like you got a good bit. Power back on and staying cozy I hope. Did you see the party we threw for ya last night. If you didn’t don’t look. I was kinda tired and confused, for some reason shifted into thinking it was your birthday. I know its tomorrow. Upside we can celebrate again. Sounds like you’ll be snowed in pretty good I reckon. Hey you be proud of today’s hunt. One ban, it earned it. Wished you had been there.

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:08 PM

infidel4life on February 4, 2012 at 9:54 PM

Wait till the rulers enforce the
” to each according to their need”
part of the doctrine …these idiots won’t even realize what hit them

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 10:11 PM

The EVIL EMPIRE…now has a twin…determined to ignore human rights…support genocide, murder and criminal governments…in trade for commodities.

These two “countries” are evil…were always evil…and will remain evil until they are rendered into dust.

Twana on February 4, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Who got the hammer?

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

One that deserved it, the thread is a quick read. We reacted quickly otherwise I think it may have skated by.
http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/04/are-you-ready-for-president-tebow/comment-page-1/#comments

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

you=you’d

I had a couple of drinks, no I’m not angry.

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

We are scr00000d in CA

burrata on February 4, 2012 at 10:03 PM

CA supposed to run out of money in March but “choo-choo train” Jerry Brown says more steam Scotty. I have a small, second house in OR but they ain’t much better.

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Can’t you just name it for me? Don’t feel like fishing tonight…

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

For you, sure, just thought you would enjoy the play by play.
nice_poltergeist on February 4, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Can’t you just name it for me? Don’t feel like fishing tonight…

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Marizela is probably hanging out in heaven, with god and stuff.

Amen!

[Ed: It's hard to believe that anyone would object to bringing attention to the case of a missing young woman, especially one related to a close friend of mine. However, we thankfully don't have to deal with this person and his vile, despicable, and emotionally crippled point of view any longer. Buh-bye, troll.]

nice_poltergeist on February 4, 2012 at 4:54 PM

There you go. You’re welcome.

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Assad’s regime is controlled by Alawites, only about 12% of the Syrian population. They are a sect which considers itself muslim, but most larger muslim secs do not accept them as such, considering them apostates.

They control the top levels of government, the Army, and the security forces. They have ruled with brutality for over 40 years, since Assad’s father led a coup in the ruling Ba’ath Party. They know fully well if they leave power, they will all hang – and deservedly so. So they have no incentive to give up power, hanging on is their best chance.

Adjoran on February 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Are conservatives, a group of people supposedly for national sovereignty and against the UN, really going to get upset that Obama’s stooge Susan Rice didn’t get her way at the UN?

Any idiot can understand that conservatives favor the national sovereignty of democratic states, not tyrants, and criticize the UN because it is ineffectual in deaig with same, as in the present situation.

Why not argue that since conservatives support the second amendment, they must support criminals who use guns? Sophist.

drunyan8315 on February 4, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Thanks. I’m pissed. I have eight inches of snow on my truck and all the snow plowed crap behind it to clean up before leaving at eight AM for church and I don’t feel like hunting trolls tonight, vaporized or not…

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:26 PM

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/04/are-you-ready-for-president-tebow/comment-page-1/#comments

JPeterman
Have a look at the final moment.

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:26 PM

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 9:28 PM

O/T JPeterman: Has the economy of Slovakia rebounded since the fall of the Iron Curtain?

Several years ago on a train trip, our tour group traveled through a small portion of Slovakia, where we were told that because the Soviets had dedicated so much of Slovakia’s industry toward munitions and the like, the change towards other peacetime industry was not in pace with the other Soviet bloc countries. The Czech Republic rebounded economically much more quickly.

My own ethnic roots are Slavic (Polish), and I have such an affinity for people of the region.

I recall that our guide, a Hungarian who had experienced both the failed Hungarian uprising and the threat of the tanks in ’68 Prague, said that the older people had their relative “safety net” of social security pulled away when Communism fell. She also said that with the rise of capitalism, the Russian mafia arose, and that many people longed to go back to the relative “safety” of the police state.

(Sorry for the diversion, folks, but I miss the insights of our former poster entelechy, who had warned against the election of Obama. She was so right!)

onlineanalyst on February 4, 2012 at 10:28 PM

JPeterman on February 4, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Thanks. That was beyond the pale…

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:29 PM

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:26 PM

No problem. I just enjoyed Jazz’s and Ed’s remarks. Funny stuff.

The situation seems to have come to a resolution.

I’m sorry, Dave, but we can’t keep the airlock open for you.

HAL

Jazz Shaw on February 4, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Nice Poltergeist regrets that he will not be back … ever.

Ed Morrissey on February 4, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:29 PM

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Did you see the “birthday gift” I left you on the QOTD thread at 1:00AM last night? I think you had left before I got it done.

silvernana on February 4, 2012 at 10:40 PM

CA supposed to run out of money in March…

arnold ziffel on February 4, 2012 at 10:17 PM

I better file for my state refund muy pronto!

infidel4life on February 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM

Did you check out that artist on Drudge? Check out his One Nation Under God link in the body of the story.

John the Libertarian on February 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Did you see the “birthday gift” I left you on the QOTD thread at 1:00AM last night? I think you had left before I got it done.

silvernana on February 4, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Nope, I missed it darlin’ but that I will go hunting for…

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 10:53 PM

John the Libertarian on February 4, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Hey John
I love that guys work, The Drudge link had shut his website down. Is it back up?

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:57 PM

QOTD song. A little strange, but is in keeping with the thread, only mildly weirder then the middle east.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0UHWoyskYQ

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:04 PM

I think something with a little less of the western mindset might be even more apropos.

Brace for impact.

Cleombrotus on February 4, 2012 at 10:03 PM

You are spot on. Hubris has been a real killer of men.

BL@KBIRD on February 4, 2012 at 11:00 PM

The Drudge link had shut his website down. Is it back up?

Bmore on February 4, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I just got in, but it was slow.

AZfederalist on February 4, 2012 at 11:02 PM

OmahaConservative on February 3, 2012 at 11:59 PM

For your birthday(Hope you are not offended)
Senior texting codes:
ATD – At the Doctor’s
BFF – Best Friends Funeral
BTW – Bring the Wheelchair
BYOT – Bring Your Own Teeth
CBM – Covered by Medicare
Cuatsc – See you at the Senior Center
DWI – Driving While Incontinent
FWBB – Friend with Beta Blockers
FWIW – Forgot Where I was
FYI – Found Your Insulin
GGPBL – Gotta Go, Pacemaker Battery Low
GHA – Got Heartburn Again
HGBM – Had Good Bowelo Movement
IMHO – Is My Hearing-Aid On?
LMDO – Laughiong My Dentures Out
LOL – Living on Lipitor
LWO – Lawrence’s On
OMMR – On My Massage Recliner
OMSG Oh My! Sorry, Gas
ROFL…CGU – Rolling on the Floor laughing…Can’t Get Up!
TOT – Texting on Toilet
TTYL – Talk to You Louder
WAITT – Who Am I talking To?
WTFA – Wet the Furniture Again
WTP – Where’s the Prunes
WWNO – Walker Wheels Need Oil

Hope these help. GGLKI(Gotta Go, LaxativeKicking In!)

silvernana on February 4, 2012 at 12:26 AM

OK. That is hilarious and true. Thank you darlin’

OmahaConservative on February 4, 2012 at 11:02 PM

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