Did one Iowa high school actually teach that communism trumps capitalism?

posted at 8:10 pm on February 3, 2012 by Tina Korbe

A teacher at Roosevelt High School in Des Moines, Iowa, passed out a particularly curious flyer to students studying the Cold War. By the looks of the cartoon it contained, the message the high school intended to convey appeared pretty clear:

Here’s how I first read the story, via The Blaze:

This gem was discovered by Simon Conway of Iowa’s Who Radio. A listener who is a parent of a student at the high school, sent the hand out to the radio host. Conway read the words of the flyer verbatim:

“Communism stands for equal sharing of the work according to the benefits and ability. But in Capitalism an individual is responsible for his works and if he wants to raise the ladder, he has to work hard.”

He continued to read and clarify further:

“While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism, the profit in the Capitalist structure belongs to the private owner only.”

When I called Roosevelt High School, though, a spokesperson said very simply, “No, we’re not teaching communism” and directed me to the high school’s website, the front page of which features this statement:

A talk show on WHO Radio has unfortunately misled listeners about a class lesson about the Cold War. The radio show posted, on its web site, only a selectively edited part of a class handout – entitled “The two sides of the Cold War” – in order to give a false impression that students were being taught to support communism.

In light of the misrepresentation caused by this talk show, we have posted the handout and assignments here on our web site so that people can see the complete document for themselves. Furthermore, the class, 20th Century History, was studying the Cold War and propaganda, looking at some of the arguments both sides made about why their system was best on a range of topics, including their economies. The handout simply highlights the differences between capitalism and communism, and some of the arguments made during the period of the Cold War.

It is unfortunate that a talk show host decided to mislead his listeners in order to generate false criticism of our schools and our teachers.

To see the unedited lesson and assignments, click here.

Frankly, the unedited lesson and assignments don’t look much better than the excerpts Simon Conway presented — and I commend Conway’s listener, Conway himself and The Blaze for calling attention to this. I’m fine with a school teaching a lesson plan on “communism as presented by communists” provided they also teach “capitalism as presented by capitalists.” The truth is even more beautiful when compared to falsehood, and ideas, no less than products, should be allowed to compete with one another in the marketplace. Schools — especially at the high school or collegiate level — shouldn’t restrict students’ access to conservative or liberal thought. It’s unfortunate that, in schools’ attempts to synthesize and simplify material, they rarely grant kids access to primary sources. That’s the problem here; the author of the handout can’t simultaneously be both a communist and a capitalist — and, despite his or her best attempt to present an objective overview of the two competing theories, the overview just isn’t quite objective. Parents’ best bet is probably to supplement their kids’ public school education by any means possible. They’re really gonna need the fortification when they get to college.


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MrMoe on February 3, 2012 at 8:15 PM

There was a time when students weren’t exposed to this crap until college, but now it start in High School and earlier.

This ain’t education. It’s indoctrination. We need to take ours schools back–NOW!

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Home schooling is on the rise you say?

dirtseller on February 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM

I was taught this at Henry Elementary, 5th grade 1985.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM

We also learned about the virtue of the Tasidae…

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

“While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism, the profit in the Capitalist structure belongs to the private owner only.”

LOL. Yeah, the citizens of the USSR were rolling in their profits.

Mark1971 on February 3, 2012 at 8:18 PM

At least they mentioned that hard work pays off. It’s unusal for Marxists to get anything right about Capitalism

halfbaked on February 3, 2012 at 8:19 PM

I was taught this at Henry Elementary, 5th grade 1985.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM

*groan* Man, you’re making me feel old. ;-)

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Liberal education which has dumbed down our children has been teaching that communism is better than capitalism for the last two decades. Nothing new here. Why does one think Obama got elected.

they lie on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism

Yep, every Soviet citizen had a dacha just like the Politburo members.

And the North Koreans, well those lucky bastiges just don’t know how luckily lucky they really are.

Bishop on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Funny that the machinery still works in marxism……morons.

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Sorry, what the argument here…

Don’t let the kids know how others view our system and distort it for their own gain?

More ignorance is bliss?

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

We need to get Iowahawk on this, stat.

BallisticBob on February 3, 2012 at 8:23 PM

All this time I thought my mutual funds were the way to go. I’m moving to Cuba so I can receive my profit.

Mark1971 on February 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM

I’m more offended at a shitty cirriculum, but yes this particular one leans Pinko. Seriously though, there’s agitprop drawing, like 2 pages of several sentences, and then the worksheet is basically to repeat the previous 2 pages because there’s hardly anything there.

EMBARASSING, and Pinkos can suck my sack, I’m in South Florida, and this is my name, you want what I have, come get it.

John Kettlewell on February 3, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Sorry, what the argument here…

Don’t let the kids know how others view our system and distort it for their own gain?

More ignorance is bliss?

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

If that was what they were teaching, but it doesn’t appear they are telling students that it is a distortion.

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Sorry, what the argument here…

Don’t let the kids know how others view our system and distort it for their own gain?

More ignorance is bliss?

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

but in english???

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:25 PM

If Communism was such a wonderful idea, why did so many die to get away from it, and why did the numerous Communist governments kill so many of their own to achieve it?

Now that the Cold War is is well over 20 years gone by, a whole new generation is being raised without an inkling as to what is was about, what the stakes were, and what was the cost in lives paid to defeat Communism.

The neo-Communists of this generation and their failed 1960′s radical leaders have a shot at convincing a whole new generation that there is nothing bad about Communism, and it failed in other countries simply because the right people were not in charge.

And that is the crux of the argument against it…those who were in charge.

Take a look at the current crop of “progressives.”

Think Communism will never be instituted in America?

Think again.

The road to a socialist/communist governance is paved with wonderful intentions.

So is the road to hell.

coldwarrior on February 3, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Anybody who has come to the United States after living in a Communist country would do a great service for the world if they would talk to as many young people as possible about the reality of life in a Communist system.

wren on February 3, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Oh yeah. I remember all those Communist profits. And it is such a nonviolent theology too. And so egalitarian. Why everyone had a Zil.
We learned all about it in English class.

pat on February 3, 2012 at 8:28 PM

In capitalism, man exploits man. In communism, it’s the other way around.

John the Libertarian on February 3, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Parents’ best bet is…

…charter schools and vouchers.

Tzetzes on February 3, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Sorry, what the argument here…

Don’t let the kids know how others view our system and distort it for their own gain?

More ignorance is bliss?

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Sorry. I think you have the correct idea, I just can’t follow the wording. Probably my bad

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

We will never take back our country until we take back our schools and our family.

I HATE liberals and liberalism with the heat of a billion blazing suns.

Rixon on February 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I luv my Communist ATM..
At least I don’t have to bend over to get the money..
:)

Electrongod on February 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM

I read the curriculum. It says that in communism all share the benefits of labor, while in capitalism there is only the rich and the poor. There’s a distortion–no mention of a middle class, which we have, whether leftists want to admit it or not.

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Sorry, what the argument here…

Don’t let the kids know how others view our system and distort it for their own gain?

More ignorance is bliss?

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Click on the link to the study lessons to put a fresher face on it.

Vince on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

There was a time when students weren’t exposed to this crap until college, but now it start in High School and earlier.

This ain’t education. It’s indoctrination. We need to take ours schools back–NOW!

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM

We will never take back our country until we take back our schools and our family.

I HATE liberals and liberalism with the heat of a billion blazing suns.

Rixon on February 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

So, because one teacher in one public high school in one district in one state in the entire country is cheerleading for communism, all of a sudden we need to “take back” every public school in the country?

Don’t get me wrong-I believe 100% that what this teacher did was uncalled for, and extremely, extremely biased in a setting that is supposed to be mostly unbiased.

But to judge every single public school for the actions of one teacher in one school is ludicrous to say the least.

theoddmanout on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Rixon on February 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

wow. You need to calm down. Liberals love America too. Stop reading the Blaze perhaps?

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Certain teachers have been wanting to do this kind of thing for YEARS. Really no surprise here, that the Communists in the public schools have come ‘boldly into the open’ with this.
But that doesn’t mean it should be TOLERATED, either. : (

listens2glenn on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

“While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism, the profit in the Capitalist structure belongs to the private owner only.”

Yes, this is true and the reason why the world is slowly moving closer to the communist ideal. Even a capitlist like Romney is pushing socialized medicine.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

In capitalism, you can always find a party. In communism, the Party always finds you!

John the Libertarian on February 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

So, because one teacher in one public high school in one district in one state in the entire country is cheerleading for communism, all of a sudden we need to “take back” every public school in the country?

Don’t get me wrong-I believe 100% that what this teacher did was uncalled for, and extremely, extremely biased in a setting that is supposed to be mostly unbiased.

But to judge every single public school for the actions of one teacher in one school is ludicrous to say the least.

theoddmanout on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

The required reading list for my 5TH grader is AVI. Shove it.

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I HATE liberals and liberalism with the heat of a billion blazing suns.

Rixon on February 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Wow you really need to get out of the house more often. And stop using the internet so much- it generally profits liberals and ex-hippies like Larry Page and Steve Jobs.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

at the top of the page it says “in theory.” Now you would hope the teacher would emphasize how horrible a communist reality truly is.

Donald Draper on February 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Yes, this is true and the reason why the world is slowly moving closer to the communist ideal. Even a capitlist like Romney is pushing socialized medicine.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

That says it all bayam.

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Liberals love America too.

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

No they don’t.

They love what they can try to make America become, but the actual country and people as they are…is not something they love.

sharrukin on February 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Yes, this is true and the reason why the world is slowly moving closer to the communist ideal. Even a capitlist like Romney is pushing socialized medicine.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Fire up the gulags, comrade.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

But to judge every single public school for the actions of one teacher in one school is ludicrous to say the least.

theoddmanout on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Oh. Right. My mistake. This isn’t happening anywhere else. My bad.//

I don’t know where you live, but in my neck of the woods this stuff is rampant.

And you don’t have to be in the class rooms to figure it out. All you have to do is talk to students. Brought to you by your Department of Education and the teachers’ unions.

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

We will never take back our country until we take back our schools and our family.

I HATE liberals and liberalism with the heat of a billion blazing suns.

Rixon on February 3, 2012 at 8:30 PM

You should not be so hard on the challenged…

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Wow you really need to get out of the house more often. And stop using the internet so much- it generally profits liberals and ex-hippies like Larry Page and Steve Jobs.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:36 PM

You might want to get out of the house more often too.

Steve Jobs hasn’t been collecting a royalty check since October 5th of last year.

Bishop on February 3, 2012 at 8:41 PM

“Communism stands for equal sharing of the work according to the benefits and ability.

Yeah? Perhaps that idiot teacher might want to invite one of the “workers” from the former Soviet Union and ask him how well Communism worked out for the average person on the street.

To quote an old Soviet joke: “They pretend to pay us, so we pretend to work.”

GarandFan on February 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

“While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism, the profit in the Capitalist structure belongs to the private owner only.”

So, liberals are perfectly content with government knocking on their door or hitting up the payroll office where they work and taking whatever the government wishes so long as it is “passed around?” And if a person takes a risk, invest their own capital, innovates, develops, markets a good and decent product, his reward should be to have whatever profit he makes go to everyone else?

Better hit up Steve Jobs estate and maybe Bill Gates…they’ve one hell of a lot of spreading around to do…and this Mark Zuckerberg dude better head over to the Department of treasury and hand over his excessive profits…about $100 billion the last I’ve heard, between Zuckerberg and his closest friends.

And liberals are OK with this?

How about their own earnings? Their own profits from whatever they are engaged?

coldwarrior on February 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

The required reading list for my 5TH grader is AVI. Shove it.

I have no idea what AVI is. Is that the name of a book, or the name of an author, or is AVI short for something?

theoddmanout on February 3, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Yes, this is true and the reason why the world is slowly moving closer to the communist ideal. Even a capitlist like Romney is pushing socialized medicine.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

In your opinion, is this good or bad and why comrade.

Vince on February 3, 2012 at 8:44 PM

“While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism, the profit in the Capitalist structure belongs to the private owner only.”

That must be why they buried us in butter……

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Honestly, looking at the full handout and lesson plan it seems like a fairly reasonable lesson on capitalism vs. communism, presenting each side as its champions would sell it.

The beauty of capitalism is that you can even present it next to a favorable interpretation of communism, and children can still understand why it’s better. In this story both sides were explained as if they were explained by a proponent. I learned about both systems this way, and I easily understood why capitalism won. I think it’s key to dislike communism because of its disadvantages over capitalism rather than because everyone says communist countries are evil. The inherent philosophy is flawed, people. It’s pretty obvious.

However, I’ve only seen the handouts. Obviously, an in-class lesson can spin things any which-way. However, from what I’ve seen/read this story appears to be hot air (no pun intended).

Inquizitor on February 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Yes, this is true and the reason why the world is slowly moving closer to the communist ideal. Even a capitlist like Romney is pushing socialized medicine.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

Fire up the gulags, comrade.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 8:38 PM

At least someone was able to read my sarcasm. It must be a slow news day… yet amusing to see that some people still fear communist indoctrination of the youth. That worry is so 1950.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I have 3 friends that came out of communist countries; Cuba, Poland, and Russia.

It would profit everyone to have conversations with people who have languished under communism. The stories they tell are absolutely heartbreaking.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I have no idea what AVI is. Is that the name of a book, or the name of an author, or is AVI short for something?

theoddmanout on February 3, 2012 at 8:43 PM

If you are a liberal, you don’t need me to do your homework…/s

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:46 PM

At least someone was able to read my sarcasm. It must be a slow news day… yet amusing to see that some people still fear communist indoctrination of the youth. That worry is so 1950.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

So says lysenko

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Also, to everyone who’s complaining about this line:

“While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism, the profit in the Capitalist structure belongs to the private owner only.”

I think you missed the part at the top that says “in theory.” Obviously no communist countries have made any net profits, but the handout is explaining the ideology, not yet how the USSR failed under it. Far from scandalous.

Inquizitor on February 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

In capitalism, the optimist says “things couldn’t get any better.” In communism, the optimist says “things couldn’t possibly get worse.”

John the Libertarian on February 3, 2012 at 8:49 PM

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:47 PM

I’ve meant to ask you this before. Are you a Weary Traveler or a Wary Traveler?

Inquiring minds, and all that…

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Roosevelt High School

A fitting name for a school teaching leftism.

vegconservative on February 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

both

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Far from scandalous.

Inquizitor on February 3, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Yep. Nothing one-sided about the illustration. Not a thing.

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Better hit up Steve Jobs estate and maybe Bill Gates…they’ve one hell of a lot of spreading around to do…and this Mark Zuckerberg dude better head over to the Department of treasury and hand over his excessive profits…about $100 billion the last I’ve heard, between Zuckerberg and his closest friends.

And liberals are OK with this?

How about their own earnings? Their own profits from whatever they are engaged?

coldwarrior on February 3, 2012 at 8:42 PM

All the capitalists and great entreprenuers you named support progressive taxes and have no problem with the government increasing their tax rates. You’ll notice an odd correlation between new money supporting higher taxes that reduce the deficit and old money which opposes any tax increase.

The leaders of today’s high growth industries are most concerned about the fiscal health of the nation- our current path poses a grave threat to their ongoing accumulation of wealth and prosperity of their businesses.

It’s true that Facebook’s IPO will spawn off thousands of new liberal millionaires. You should tax them.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

And you wonder where the 52% come from!
They start some indoctrination in grade school, and continue from there.
You have no idea how many times my wife and I have been to the school, or shooting off emails, for something we thought was insane.
I remember my oldest being in first grade, sitting at the “Holiday’ program, and hearing every song of every religion and practice…except for any kind of “Away in a Manger” song.
The battle started for me right then!
Now that they are in college…they are on their own…but they call me periodically to point out how the media just seems to continue, what was started before they reached puberty!

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2012 at 8:52 PM

You should tax them.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

They aren’t going to be taxed?

We need to change our tax policy!

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Teach Communism. Everyone gets the same grade. Calculate the average by totaling up everyones points, -100 for waste and -100 for one person who gets the 100, and divide the remainder by the number of points. Some will do better who did not work, others will do worse than their effort indicated, and the latter will learn that it does not pay to work while the former will discover that the average goes down when no one has any incentive to work.

But even that does not cover the guards, the informers, and the lack of freedoms required to keep a lid on the situation.

AnotherOpinion on February 3, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Joe McCarthy WAS CORRECT. The communists were in government, in education, in Hollywood, and in the media. They crucified McCarthy for trying to prove this — but he was correct.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Joe McCarthy WAS CORRECT. The communists were in government, in education, in Hollywood, and in the media. They crucified McCarthy for trying to prove this — but he was correct.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 3, 2012 at 8:55 PM

+100000

predator on February 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM

All the capitalists and great entreprenuers you named support progressive taxes and have no problem with the government increasing their tax rates. You’ll notice an odd correlation between new money supporting higher taxes that reduce the deficit and old money which opposes any tax increase.

The leaders of today’s high growth industries are most concerned about the fiscal health of the nation- our current path poses a grave threat to their ongoing accumulation of wealth and prosperity of their businesses.

It’s true that Facebook’s IPO will spawn off thousands of new liberal millionaires. You should tax them.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:51 PM

you mean like the joyce foundation, or perhaps the mcCarthur foundation/??? Pardon the sp.

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 8:57 PM

divide the remainder by the number of points students

Corrected myself.

AnotherOpinion on February 3, 2012 at 8:58 PM

My biggest problem with this lesson plan is that it is meant for high school. How dumbed down are threse students that get this third grade style presentation? What’s next… see George Washington ride a horse. See the man in a red suit try to stop George.” …as a history lesson for high school? It’s truly pathetic and scarey that we have to simplify something to this level. No wonder our students need remedial classes when they get to college.

Deanna on February 3, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Welcome to
Obama high school

angrymike on February 3, 2012 at 8:59 PM

When I was in high school there was a communist after-school club. The leader was a teacher on staff who was a member of CPUSA and a political activist. The kids in the club distributed communist newspapers and spread the word. This was in the 90′s.

visions on February 3, 2012 at 8:59 PM

When I was in high school there was a communist after-school club. The leader was a teacher on staff who was a member of CPUSA and a political activist. The kids in the club distributed communist newspapers and spread the word. This was in the 90′s.

visions on February 3, 2012 at 8:59 PM

You’ve come a long way baby…

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Hey, the guy with the cigar and hat looks a little like Romney.

Just joking!

BoxHead1 on February 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

wow. You need to calm down. Liberals love America too. Stop reading the Blaze perhaps?

freshface on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Liberals love America? Since when? Since Obama got elected?

Liberals love America as much as the Castros love Cuba.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Deanna on February 3, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Good point. The presentation is quite elementary.

predator on February 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Parents’ best bet is to avoid the American public schools like the plague, and to school their children at home. It’s a lot of work, and they’ll pay more out of their pocket, but the cost of letting Progressives — who wrote all the textbooks and constructed all the curricula — indoctrinate your kids is far higher. If you want your kids to know anything at all, school them yourselves.

philwynk on February 3, 2012 at 9:02 PM

BoxHead1 on February 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

He looks like he’s wearing one of those Russian fur hats. That’s…ironic.

predator on February 3, 2012 at 9:03 PM

We need a new batch of the McCarthy trials. It will clear out most of D.C., the unions as well as teachers and colleges.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Hey, the guy with the cigar and hat looks a little like Romney.

Just joking!

BoxHead1 on February 3, 2012 at 9:01 PM

more like axelrod

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

We need a new batch of the McCarthy trials. It will clear out most of D.C., the unions as well as teachers and colleges.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 3, 2012 at 9:06 PM

Yes. we can purge millions…right bayam???

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Yes. we can purge millions…right bayam???

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM

Why not?

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM

because communist societies have to kill millions to make their moronic ideas work…….and thay still don’t…

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

they

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Honestly, looking at the full handout and lesson plan it seems like a fairly reasonable lesson on capitalism vs. communism, presenting each side as its champions would sell it.

Inquizitor on February 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Just looking at the cartoon, you can see that it’s completely unreasonable. In capitalism is shows two workers with balls and chains working furiously to put money into the pocket of a rich tyrant. Who’s side describes capitalism like this? The Communist side right? If that’s the case then the cartoon for Communism should be shown from the capitalist’s view. It doesn’t. Who in their right mind believes that, in communism, the two workers are working and money is flowing right back to them? History has proven this as a fallacy. So both cartoons are drawn from the perspective of a Communist…..sounds fair to me /sarc.

Zooid on February 3, 2012 at 9:16 PM

I don’t mind the idea of comparing the systems, but they are totally whitewashing the truth about communism. It is all about the state as God, and the notion that it is a classless society is a joke. Communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin with the end result that the individual is nothing more than a number to the aims of the state. Democrat utopia.

Southernblogger on February 3, 2012 at 9:18 PM

You guys are freaking idiots. It’s a perfectly reasonable little lesson. Except for…

My biggest problem with this lesson plan is that it is meant for high school. How dumbed down are threse students that get this third grade style presentation? What’s next… see George Washington ride a horse. See the man in a red suit try to stop George.” …as a history lesson for high school? It’s truly pathetic and scarey that we have to simplify something to this level. No wonder our students need remedial classes when they get to college.

Deanna on February 3, 2012 at 8:58 PM

This is the best comment on the thread.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Honestly, looking at the full handout and lesson plan it seems like a fairly reasonable lesson on capitalism vs. communism, presenting each side as its champions would sell it.

Inquizitor on February 3, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Where’s the party member getting his cut???

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

This is the best comment on the thread.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Agreed. Who made it so?

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

I don’t mind the idea of comparing the systems, but they are totally whitewashing the truth about communism. It is all about the state as God, and the notion that it is a classless society is a joke. Communism and fascism are two sides of the same coin with the end result that the individual is nothing more than a number to the aims of the state. Democrat utopia.

Southernblogger on February 3, 2012 at 9:18 PM

What if we taught a lesson focusing entirely on the destruction of the English countryside and the virtually enslavement of its ruling class in the first century of industrialization, without mentioning the upsides of the capitalist system? If you teach communism as Stalinism, you’re not presenting an accurate picture of the theory of Communism and the kids aren’t going to know why so many people found it a credible alternative to capitalism. In other words, you’re being intellectually dishonest and you’re making them more susceptible to Communist propaganda, assuming that there are any actual Communists left.

If you teach sex by talking only about unwanted pregnancy and disgusting venereal sores, or drud by talking only about how marijuana turns you into a raving dope fiend, you’re going to lose credibility when the kids discover that you only told them half the truth.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

This is the best comment on the thread.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Agreed. Who made it so?

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Well, if we can agree on nothing else, we can agree that by high school kids shouldn’t be taught as though they’re slightly slow ten-year-olds — and they shouldn’t have to be taught that way.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Personal finance or basic economics should be required curriculum by sophomore year at the latest.

tom daschle concerned on February 3, 2012 at 9:26 PM

What if we taught a lesson focusing entirely on the destruction of the English countryside and the virtually enslavement of its ruling working class in the first century of industrialization, without mentioning the upsides of the capitalist system? If you teach communism as Stalinism, you’re not presenting an accurate picture of the theory of Communism and the kids aren’t going to know why so many people found it a credible alternative to capitalism. In other words, you’re being intellectually dishonest and you’re making them more susceptible to Communist propaganda, assuming that there are any actual Communists left.

If you teach sex by talking only about unwanted pregnancy and disgusting venereal sores, or drud by talking only about how marijuana turns you into a raving dope fiend, you’re going to lose credibility when the kids discover that you only told them half the truth.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

FIFM

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:31 PM

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Ummm. No. “The virtual enslavement of the ruling class” WTF? Trade out one for the other. At least one had social mobility. Communism leads to Stalinism. Show me ONE example where it didn’t.

STD’s??? You really wanna go there?? In which episode of sex in the city did any main character show up in the ER to be told she was sterile??

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:32 PM

“Communism teaches and seeks two objectives: unrelenting class warfare and the complete eradication of private ownership”
Pope Pius XI

redridinghood on February 3, 2012 at 9:33 PM

The fixes make it better

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:34 PM

theoddmanout on February 3, 2012 at 8:34 PM

You really need to read the propaganda of the National Education Association and its official documents.

Cooperative learning is fostered over competitive learning. Mediocrity and low expectations are the result.

onlineanalyst on February 3, 2012 at 9:35 PM

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Ummm. No. “The virtual enslavement of the ruling class” WTF? Trade out one for the other. At least one had social mobility. Communism leads to Stalinism. Show me ONE example where it didn’t.

STD’s??? You really wanna go there?? In which episode of sex in the city did any main character show up in the ER to be told she was sterile??

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:32 PM

The “ruling class” was an odd typo, fixed above. Should have been “working class.” The amount of social mobility available in 19th century England, of course, was legendarily limited (before socialist and progressive reforms), probably less so than in the Soviet Union, where a bright young commie peasant could rise from humble roots to become an apparatchik and eventually be executed after a show trial.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

), probably less so than in the Soviet Union, where a bright young commie peasant could rise from humble roots to become an apparatchik and eventually be executed after a show trial.

urban elitist on February 3, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Hey you do have a sense of humor!!! So says Arthur Keostler (sp?)

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:41 PM

And you still haven’t told me why we should copy either??

WryTrvllr on February 3, 2012 at 9:44 PM

While the profit of any enterprise is equally shared by all in Communism

This is incorrect:

…While the profit of any enterprise is the property of the state in Communism…”

Or, there is no profit in Communism.

The State takes it and don’t you remember: Some animals are more equal than other animals. The political class gets things like Trips to Hawaii and Spain, five star hotels, $500 sneakers…and tells you Elizabeth Warren is one of the 99% -ers, well, the godmother of them anyway.

Fleuries on February 3, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Yes, this is true and the reason why the world is slowly moving closer to the communist ideal. Even a capitlist like Romney is pushing socialized medicine.

bayam on February 3, 2012 at 8:35 PM

America is moving Left, there is no doubt.

The rest of the western world, however, is moving right*. Canada, the UK, Germany, etc. They’re inching away from command & control and towards economic liberty. In most cases you can see this in their heath-care systems…they’re opening up to privatization and choice as their “single-payer” systems collapse. In other cases they’ve kept their corporate income taxes competitive, etc. They have no choice. Even China has moved away from communism and has adopted some kind of “state capitalism.” Again, they’ve had no choice.

Here’s one of my favorite videos on the subject.

visions on February 3, 2012 at 9:53 PM

*”right” in the American sense, not the European sense. Two different things…

visions on February 3, 2012 at 9:54 PM

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