Komen donations up 100% in the past two days; Update: Komen to continue funding some Planned Parenthood chapters?

posted at 8:10 pm on February 2, 2012 by Allahpundit

It’s not just them. Planned Parenthood’s donations are up too. As of yesterday, they’d raised $400,000 since Komen’s decision to withhold future grants was announced — more than half the amount they received from Komen last year — and today Nanny Bloomberg promised them another $250,000.

Says Megan McArdle, “If only every culture war issue resulted in both sides vindictively donating to charity.”

“Our donations are up 100 percent in the past two days. With all of the emotion around these issues — which we understand, we get emotional too, we do this every single day of our lives,” Brinker said, explaining that they do not make decisions to be popular, they make them to fight cancer…

While pro-choicers believe the decision to sever the relationship was based in politics, Komen continues to argue that the decision was based on internal policy changes which dictate more stringent criteria for grants — which Planned Parenthood does not meet, including the fact that Planned Parenthood is under congressional investigation and does not offer on-site screening, having to refer patients for mammograms, treatment and diagnosis elsewhere.

“We regret that these new policies have impacted some longstanding grantees, such as Planned Parenthood, but want to be absolutely clear that our grant-making decisions are not about politics,” Komen said in a statement Wednesday.

Below you’ll find Brinker’s none-too-convincing video statement from the Komen website assuring donors that the new policy wasn’t specifically crafted with Planned Parenthood in mind. The left is already having fun with that, wondering if Komen will also cut its millions of dollars in funding to Penn State because they’re the subject of a federal investigation related to Jerry Sandusky. I’m guessing no, as the House investigation of PP has to do specifically with the sort of systemic institutional financial impropriety (i.e. spending federal funds on abortion) that a grantor would/should be especially concerned about, but expect lots of complaining in the “why cut off PP if not XYZ?” variety going forward.

Speaking of which: Do we know for a fact just how much of Komen’s annual grant Planned Parenthood spends on breast-cancer screening specifically? John McCormack at the Standard alleges that PP is flatly lying when it claims it provides mammograms, pointing to this audio compiled by Lila Rose last year in her chats with PP personnel. Could be, but at least one PP chapter explicitly advertises mammograms on its website; it may be that others provide basic breast-cancer screening and then refer patients to doctors for full mammograms if necessary. Either way, it doesn’t much matter to the pro-life argument (which, of course, Komen claims it isn’t adopting). Money is fungible, so any dollar that’s spent on health care frees up a dollar elsewhere that PP can spend on abortions. That doesn’t seem to bother the feds, but apparently it bothers Komen management.

Update: Climbdown? Komen is claiming now that it’s not that the congressional investigation that gave them pause about PP but rather the fact that PP wasn’t doing enough mammograms on site.

So why did Planned Parenthood lose funding? Brinker says it has to do with the fact that they do not provide mammograms to women, but only provide mammogram referrals. “It was nothing they were doing wrong,” she explained. “We have decided not to fund, whereever possible, pass-through grants. We were giving them money, they were sending women out for mammograms. What we would like to have are clinics where we can directly fund mammograms.”

Komen had initially funded 19 Planned Parenthood affiliates and, in the wake of new funding policies, will only continue funding three of those chapters. The three that will continue to receive funds are in Northern Colorado, Southern California and Waco, Tex., because “they are the only provider” of breast health services in the areas they serve, Brinker said.

The Waco chapter is the one I linked above as advertising mammograms on site. So much for the fungibility theory.


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HA has turned into such a lovely place…I can feel the love. lol

EnochCain on February 2, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I see a lot of Kos Kids have come out of the woodwork and polluted this once great site.

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 2, 2012 at 9:19 PM

Keep this anti-women overreach up and you may just awaken the beast.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:34 PM

‘Awaken the beast’? Does the ‘beast’ look anything like that chick I woke up next to one terrifying morning in 1982? ‘Overreach’ was me grabbing the keys ever so carefully and quietly off the nightstand.

troyriser_gopftw on February 2, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Flora Duh

Dang right. Everyone should be held responsible for what some anonymous poster on the Internet infers they implied.

Got those posts yet? Waiting…

Horace on February 2, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Private donations, just as it is supposed to happen.

multiuseless on February 2, 2012 at 9:20 PM

You now use English gooder.

Horace on February 2, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Are we being serious?? It’s the interwebz, dude.

You’re the only one trying to write prose here… the rest of us are just kind of watching and trying to figure out why…

thirtyandseven on February 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Just give to the American Cancer Society.

monalisa on February 2, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Last I heard they had some link to Planned Parenthood:

You may also learn which groups supported reauthorization of Title X, the U.S. Government’s failed birth control program, and which supported abortion-on-demand in the Webster case decided by the Supreme Court.

The Boycott List (see above) includes a section called Dishonorable Mention, which lists seemingly innocuous nonprofit organizations that are involved with Planned Parenthood or otherwise active in the Culture of Death. Among the groups included are Outward Bound West, American Automobile Association (AAA), Kaiser Permanente, Fraternal Order of Elks, Dr. Phil Foundation, Lions Clubs, American Cancer Society, Easter Seals, Boys & Girls Clubs, Ronald McDonald House Charities, Camp Fire, Girls Inc., Girl Scouts, Kiwanis Clubs, March of Dimes, Red Cross, Muscular Dystrophy Association, Rotary Clubs, The Salvation Army, The Susan G. Komen Foundation, YWCA, America Gives Back (formerly [American] Idol Gives Back), YMCA, American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), American Diabetes Association. Involvement ranges from donating funds to pro-abortion groups (or allowing affiliates to do so), supporting anti-life causes, allowing pro-abortion groups access to membership, adopting an official pro-abortion policy position, and so forth.

melle1228 on February 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM

Don’t donate $$$$$$ to any organizations that are not local.

Or organizations led by people you know personally. When u give to these groups u have no way of knowing what they are using your money for.

We give to several orgs every month. And we have a personal link with their work. All five of them.

You could give to just one locally that helps the poor, or that helps victims of rape or whatever. We KNOW the people and the work they do.

KNOW whose hands and wallets you are filling.

PappyD61 on February 2, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Flora Duh

Dang right. Everyone should be held responsible for what some anonymous poster on the Internet infers they implied.

Got those posts yet? Waiting…

Horace on February 2, 2012 at 9:20 PM

Get over it already. Move on,
Shut up so you don’t kill the conversation.

BedBug on February 2, 2012 at 9:23 PM

Or to organizations you DON’T KNOW personally (what I meant to say).

PappyD61 on February 2, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Last I heard they had some link to Planned Parenthood:
melle1228 on February 2, 2012 at 9:21 PM

What the hell did I say near the beginning of this? Any organization with a public face, part of your donation always finds its way to the ‘rat party. Even the Red Cross.

Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Komen had initially funded 19 Planned Parenthood affiliates and, in the wake of new funding policies, will only continue funding three of those chapters.

Sorta puts the kibosh on the hysterics from the other side claiming politics played a role, doesn’t it?

This is a non-issue being ginned up by the abortionist crowd. Komen can fund whomever they want, or change their criteria for awarding funds at any point. They don’t have to give money to PP or provide a reason why they’re not.

changer1701 on February 2, 2012 at 9:08 PM

yeah, changing your story after a day of heavy criticism and bad press always makes you sound credible.

I wonder what the new story will be tomorrow, after all the people who rallied to their cause learn that that Komen is still giving money to PP.

urban elitist on February 2, 2012 at 9:26 PM

Certainly never had a sister dating an abusive partner.
Because you seem to see abortion as something women must be stopped from doing what they want for the sake of the baby.
As if making it illegal will stop them, or at least if it doesn’t, they’d deserve the consequences of an illegal abortion. Whatever they may be.
But back to my abused sister.

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I don’t understand why your sister didn’t leave the abusive situation she was in?

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 2, 2012 at 9:27 PM

What the hell did I say near the beginning of this? Any organization with a public face, part of your donation always finds its way to the ‘rat party. Even the Red Cross.

Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 9:25 PM

Yeppers, and that was just the list of the non-profits. There is a bunch of stores like Kohls on the profit list of boycotts:

Whole Foods Market, JPMorgan Chase (including Chase Bank, & Bank One), Bank of America, Lost Arrow (Patagonia), Wells Fargo, Chevron (including Caltex, Texaco, Xpress Lube), eBay (including PayPal), Midas (auto care), Nike, Marriott (including Courtyard, Fairfield, Renaissance, Ritz-Carlton, etc.), Johnson & Johnson, Staples (office/school supplies), and Darden Restaurants (Bahama Breeze, The Capital Grille, LongHorn Steakhouse, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Seasons 52). And this is just a partial list!

melle1228 on February 2, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Certainly never had a sister dating an abusive partner.
Because you seem to see abortion as something women must be stopped from doing what they want for the sake of the baby.
As if making it illegal will stop them, or at least if it doesn’t, they’d deserve the consequences of an illegal abortion. Whatever they may be.
But back to my abused sister.

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I don’t understand why your sister didn’t leave the abusive situation she was in?

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 2, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Agreed. The guy has tn sleep sometime and if it was MY sister, abuser would be MISSING after his nap.

BedBug on February 2, 2012 at 9:32 PM

What it all boils down to is pro-abortion folks Are tryin to convince me killing a baby is ok. And I’m trying to convince them murdering a baby not ok. Some how I’m to believe I’m on the wrong side of this argument in its simplest form? Yeah, I’m sleeping with a clean conscious. I don’t have to twist my logic into a pretzel to make it seem acceptable and not evil.

tyketto on February 2, 2012 at 9:32 PM

melle1228 on February 2, 2012 at 9:29 PM

Sure. Kohls is Herb Kohl, ‘Rat WI.

But I cannot boycott all of them.

And you forgot Progressive Insurance.

Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Good, so they don’t need Komen’s financial support. Glad we solved that issue.

Right?

amerpundit on February 2, 2012 at 8:18 PM

Seems like it should be win-win. Why are they whining?

Certainly never had a sister dating an abusive partner.
Because you seem to see abortion as something women must be stopped from doing what they want for the sake of the baby.
As if making it illegal will stop them, or at least if it doesn’t, they’d deserve the consequences of an illegal abortion. Whatever they may be.
But back to my abused sister.

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

So, we should keep abortion legal cause some women are FORCED to have one by their abusive partners? Are you being serious?

Your sister was beaten and then forced to give up her child. How are you not more angry at that scumbag than you are at people who don’t like abortion?

Men like that don’t balk at killing their women either. I don’t know you, but if all of this is true, I hope you are doing something to help your sister.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Why is it that libs always look the most odd or unattractive?

TruLevinian on February 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM

the Left is the Left. They will shriek and scream about the most miniscule deviations from their Theology.

or, to use the marxist view:

Cultural hegemony is the philosophic and sociological theory, by the Marxist philosopher Antonio Gramsci, that a culturally diverse society can be dominated (ruled) by one social class, by manipulating the societal culture (beliefs, explanations, perceptions, values) so that its ruling-class worldview is imposed as the societal norm, which then is perceived as a universally valid ideology and status quo beneficial to all of society, whilst benefiting only the ruling class.[1][2]

so, no, it is not alright to have a free people who choose to have Komen fund just breast cancer/mammograms…it’s just not okay. It is best to support PP and abortion…that is best for all of us…okay?

r keller on February 2, 2012 at 9:34 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 2, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Another blessed life I see.

Please don’t pain your precious brain trying either.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I don’t understand why your sister didn’t leave the abusive situation she was in?

Raquel Pinkbullet on February 2, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Because, much like freshface, she ain’t good enough to get a decent man. Hence, government, ‘rats in particular, have taken the place of the man she will never have.

Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 9:35 PM

And freshface: theres no nice way to say this but it’s real advice: teach your sister how to find a real man and not be used and abused. You’re her brother. Step up and stop making excuses for poor choices.

tyketto on February 2, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Or your sister. Whatever. I didn’t really care enough to figure it out. But I do care someone thinks abortion is the answer to that mess.

tyketto on February 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Done and gone.

But the issues remain.

He may have killed her had the abortion been more trouble.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM

this would also work with NPR…the libs would donate billions of $$$$ to it if the government funding were cut…but it is the principle of the thing. The principle being…well…cultural hegemony

r keller on February 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Stat is misleading. 10 percent of their customers get an abortion, so 1 in 10 and it is their breadwinner!

melle1228 on February 2, 2012 at 8:43 PM

From your site: “But Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it receives from the federal government for abortions anyway.”

I am pro-life and still marvel at the intensity of feeling about PP over all this.

You do realize there are businesses, profit-based, whose entire business is modeled on abortion? PP does a lot more than abortion – where’s the outrage for these other businesses that are literally dedicated abortion clinics?

Ooooh, but PP gets public funding! Yes it does. But it is prohibited from using it for abortions.

Outrageous outrage.

CorporatePiggy on February 2, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Why is it that libs always look the most odd or unattractive?

TruLevinian on February 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Like Rush has postulated, feminism (which is one and the same with liberalism), allows unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.

Now, look at the left’s ‘men’. Like Lanny Davis, Dennis Kucinich and Alan Colmes, to name a few. I would not class these weaselly little girly men as men at all.

Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 9:38 PM

tyketto on February 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM

And people in this very thread wonder how abuse can go on so long.

With people like you shooting off their know it all mouth’s they stay quiet. hide the scars and the abuse.

Until it’s too late.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:39 PM

He may have killed her had the abortion been more trouble.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM

I still don’t see how this is supposed to be an argument in favor of abortion. Aren’t people who support abortion supposed to be pro-choice? As in, pro HER choice? This was the opposite of that.

I’m glad for your sister’s sake that he’s gone, but I still don’t understand why your takeaway from that is that abortion is good, not that you regret that you didn’t help your sister when you had the chance.

Abortion allows men to take advantage of women in yet another aspect where we can be helpless. From teens who are being raped by older men who don’t want a baby to let the secret out, to women like your sister who just pick the wrong guy, it’s not even about helping women in those cases but about preserving male power.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Why is it that libs always look the most odd or unattractive?

TruLevinian on February 2, 2012 at 9:33 PM

Like Rush has postulated, feminism (which is one and the same with liberalism), allows unattractive women easier access to the mainstream.

Now, look at the left’s ‘men’. Like Lanny Davis, Dennis Kucinich and Alan Colmes, to name a few. I would not class these weaselly little girly men as men at all.

Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 9:38 PM

As if we need any more evidence that this debate is driven by the most loathsome sort of sexist pigs. Nothing you say on this or any other subject can possibly have any credibility.

urban elitist on February 2, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Ooooh, but PP gets public funding! Yes it does. But it is prohibited from using it for abortions.

CorporatePiggy on February 2, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Nothing an accounting trick cannot fix. Are you really that naive?

CW on February 2, 2012 at 9:43 PM

You do realize there are businesses, profit-based, whose entire business is modeled on abortion? PP does a lot more than abortion – where’s the outrage for these other businesses that are literally dedicated abortion clinics?

I can’t multi-task my outrage?

Ooooh, but PP gets public funding! Yes it does. But it is prohibited from using it for abortions.

It is also a non-profit, but still makes a profit every year. A lot of things PP does is overlooked or officials look the other way. Look at all the investigations that Live Action has done that has born fruit. No other company would continue to get public funding if some of the things came to light on them like it has on PP.

Outrageous outrage.

Oh you mean kinda like being outraged at a charity that is for saving life deciding not to give to a non-profit whose services include ending it.

melle1228 on February 2, 2012 at 9:44 PM

As if we need any more evidence that this debate is driven by the most loathsome sort of sexist pigs. Nothing you say on this or any other subject can possibly have any credibility.

urban elitist on February 2, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Who’s this ‘we’? You got a cdseven in your pocket?

Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 9:47 PM

PP does a lot more than abortion – where’s the outrage for these other businesses that are literally dedicated abortion clinics?

What businesses? I’m not even joking. I couldn’t name one with a gun to my head. That’s why no one’s talking about them.

Ooooh, but PP gets public funding! Yes it does. But it is prohibited from using it for abortions.

CorporatePiggy on February 2, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Yes, otherwise why the hell would we care? It’s legal, and I don’t like abortion, but I’m not going to throw a fit because someone else spends their own money to have one. But when it’s my money going to something I find evil, then it’s personal.

And sure, it’s prohibited from using the money on abortions, but the fungibility of money has been discussed again and again. If you have a drug addict family member who is broke and asking you for money. Sure, maybe you’re just giving him food money, and maybe he really will just spend it on food, but it’d be naive to think that your money didn’t just enable him to buy more drugs.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 9:49 PM

EnochCain on February 2, 2012 at 9:11 PM

You’re right, I used a knee-jerk reaction to respond to your comment, my apologies.

Flora Duh on February 2, 2012 at 9:52 PM

I have a sincere question for those of you who are pro-life: Do you honestly believe that abortion is morally equivalent to murder?

Yes, because it is. A baby is alive before the abortion, and dead afterward. Science confirms that statement. Murder IS commissioned, with the consent of the mother.

If you do, do you think America is a better or more noble nation than Iran, where abortion is illegal unless the mother’s life is in danger?

This is a disingenuous argument as you are purposely ignoring all the other issues in Iran that more than balance that out.

If I believed my government was sanctioning the murder of a million innocents every year, I don’t think I’d be able to live in this country. How do you square that circle?

I work to change it. I don’t run away like a coward, or hide behind Latin names for BABY, or hide behind terms like “pro-choice” when the choice is killing an innocent human being for convenience.

Jazzman on February 2, 2012 at 8:55 PM

dominigan on February 2, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I still don’t see how this is supposed to be an argument in favor of abortion.

I never said I support abortion

Aren’t people who support abortion supposed to be pro-choice? As in, pro HER choice? This was the opposite of that.

I am pro-choice.

I know I have flipped the sluts and nuts argument upside down.
but too bad. It’s life. Not talking points poll tested to induce outrage or donations.

She wanted the baby, but wanted to save her own LIFE more.

Had abortion been illegal he would have beaten her until the baby died or she did. Which ever came first.

I’m glad for your sister’s sake that he’s gone, but I still don’t understand why your takeaway from that is that abortion is good, not that you regret that you didn’t help your sister when you had the chance.

Ignorant nonsense. Our family didn’t find out about any of this for months after he was gone and the police started looking for him for assault his next victim.

Abortion allows men to take advantage of women in yet another aspect where we can be helpless. From teens who are being raped by older men who don’t want a baby to let the secret out, to women like your sister who just pick the wrong guy.

Legal abortion allows none of that. Old man have been raping little girls for longer than roe vs wade.

It’s not even about helping women in those cases but about preserving male power.

That’s exactly what millions of women think the religious right’s anti abortion push is all about.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 9:42 PM

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I have a sincere question for those of you who are pro-life: Do you honestly believe that abortion is morally equivalent to murder? If you do, do you think America is a better or more noble nation than Iran, where abortion is illegal unless the mother’s life is in danger? If I believed my government was sanctioning the murder of a million innocents every year, I don’t think I’d be able to live in this country. How do you square that circle?

Jazzman on February 2, 2012 at 8:55 PM

So, we should move to Iran, rather than fight to get the abortions laws changed?

Being pro-life is about trying to save lives. The lives of the unborn. That’s why the pro-death (abortion proponents) use the term “anti-choice.”

JannyMae on February 2, 2012 at 10:00 PM

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Yawn. I’ve heard it all before.

JannyMae on February 2, 2012 at 10:01 PM

This is a disingenuous argument as you are purposely ignoring all the other issues in Iran that more than balance that out.

My God man…what could possibly be worse than the wholesale slaughter, premeditated murder, of millions of the most vulnerable members of one’s society?

Seriously, that’s what you think right?

So torturing a few democracy advocates, stoning a few adulterers and homosexuals a year is worse than the above?

Is it the 30 years of sabre rattling with Israel than erases all the murderous mayhem we inflict on our innocent unborn BABIES?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I never said I support abortion

Then what’s your purpose with that story?

She wanted the baby, but wanted to save her own LIFE more.

Had abortion been illegal he would have beaten her until the baby died or she did. Which ever came first.

Likely the baby. Is that supposed to make it better? She wanted the baby. Had it been born, he’d be in jail. You keep acting like it’s more messed up that some people wish she’d been forced to have an illegal abortion than the fact that she was FORCED to have one.

Ignorant nonsense. Our family didn’t find out about any of this for months after he was gone and the police started looking for him for assault his next victim.

I’m only knowledgeable about what you’ve told me. But she’s your sister.

Legal abortion allows none of that.

No, but PP does.

Old man have been raping little girls for longer than roe vs wade.

Yes, but they haven’t had an accomplice for near as long.

That’s exactly what millions of women think the religious right’s anti abortion push is all about.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM

And there are millions more of us who know the truth. If you truly cared about women’s rights, you wouldn’t be touting that story as proof that abortion is necessary. You’d be touting that as proof that some men are a-holes and that maybe women should own guns.

Same with PP. If it was about choice, they’d protect children who come in there asking for help. But they instead protect rapists.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 10:07 PM

I have a sincere question for those of you who are pro-life: Do you honestly believe that abortion is morally equivalent to murder? If you do, do you think America is a better or more noble nation than Iran, where abortion is illegal unless the mother’s life is in danger? If I believed my government was sanctioning the murder of a million innocents every year, I don’t think I’d be able to live in this country. How do you square that circle?

Jazzman on February 2, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Of course it’s not the same. For one, the person deciding to end the life is the mother. Are you as worried about Andrea Yates as you are someone like Gacy (even assuming the body counts were the same)? Do you feel that it’s wrong that Yates was given a more lenient sentence than others who killed just one person?

And please, stop the BS on Iran vs. the US. That’s disingenuous at best. You don’t have to understand our argument, but you could at least try if you’re going to wade into this.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

I checked on PP’s website. All 13 Arizona locations do referrals only for mammograms. Spin it, libs… Spin it with faux outrage. Let’s be pro-choice on funding PP. If you want PP to do what they do, pony up the cash. Otherwise, STFU with MY taxes.

Jeff2161 on February 2, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Abortion is legal.

Old fat white guys must forget what millions and millions of pissed off women in the homes and on the streets is/was like.

The young ones are too young.

Wonder how long these younger ‘pro life’ zealots will last when their gf’s stop giving it up in protest solidarity.

LOL

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Okay, I’ll play. Let me help you out here, doof.

There are other options like a condom, various medical birth control items (pills, vasectomy, etc) and, the ever present stalwart, the word “NO”.

It isn’t the 50s anymore. Any of the above can be used early and often.

Or are you trying in your nonsensical way that a baby should bear the responsibility for irresponsible sex?

Of course you are! It’s the liberal way – blame everyone except those directly involved.

kim roy on February 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

But back to my abused sister.

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

One way or another, legalized abortion didn’t seem to do anything to help your sister. So what’s the f**king hard-on you’ve got for abortion based on?

MadisonConservative on February 2, 2012 at 10:23 PM

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 10:06 PM

You’re in way over your head on this. A term baby aborted just before entering the mother’s pelvic canal isn’t being murdered, but one killed right after birth is a murder? That’s the basis of your argument. I usually stay off these threads, but, I keep thinking about Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

a capella on February 2, 2012 at 10:28 PM

This is a disingenuous argument as you are purposely ignoring all the other issues in Iran that more than balance that out.

What has Iran done that balances out the American state ignoring (and in some ways abetting) the murder of approximately 50 million children?

Jazzman on February 2, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Ignorant nonsense. Our family didn’t find out about any of this for months after he was gone and the police started looking for him for assault his next victim.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM

And again…what did abortion do to save her from the violence he perpetrated on her? Abortion was legal and he still ended the baby’s life in the type of way an abortion would occur if it was ILLEGAL, so the legality didn’t solve anything.

MadisonConservative on February 2, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Of course it’s not the same. For one, the person deciding to end the life is the mother. Are you as worried about Andrea Yates as you are someone like Gacy (even assuming the body counts were the same)? Do you feel that it’s wrong that Yates was given a more lenient sentence than others who killed just one person?

Fair enough. I can see why you wouldn’t consider it equivalent to murder because the mother isn’t intentionally ending a life. I’m guessing most women who have abortions don’t conceive of the foetus as life. I would point out, though, that some other commenters here are happy to describe abortion as morally equivalent to murder, so I don’t think I’m burning a strawman here.

Jazzman on February 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

That’s exactly what millions of women think the religious right’s anti abortion push is all about.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Okay, I admit it. I’m confused by this. Is your argument that, because “millions of women” don’t understand what our PRO-LIFE argument is about, the solution is for us to just cave in and say, “Okay, here, take my tax dollars and perform as many abortions with them as you want?”

That makes as much sense as your “my sister might have been murdered, had abortion been illegal” argument. None.

JannyMae on February 2, 2012 at 10:45 PM

HMadisonConservative on February 2, 2012 at 10:39 PM

She’s alive because abortion is legal. Had it not been legal he wouldn’t have stopped her from having the baby.

I’m not sure why you keep missing that part?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

She’s alive because abortion is legal. Had it not been legal he wouldn’t have stopped her from having the baby.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

So…wait. He beat her until she had an abortion…

If abortion hadn’t been legal, according to you, he wouldn’t have beat her until she had an abortion.

How is the first scenario better, again?

MadisonConservative on February 2, 2012 at 10:49 PM

Does the boost in donations continue now that the cat is back in the bag with PP?

astonerii on February 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM

I keep thinking about all the talk about “purity tests” for candidates on the right…

…and this story proves (if it ever NEEDED to be proved) that abortion is an immutable “purity test” for leftists.

Otherwise they wouldn’t stop supporting Komen in the name of “women’s health” (and how, and when did the public accept abortion as a (the?) key component to “women’s health”??!!)

Religious_Zealot on February 2, 2012 at 11:03 PM

so I don’t think I’m burning a strawman here.

Jazzman on February 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

I don’t mean to imply that I think you are, because you’re not. But in your response, you’re asking for a deep thought, you’re asking for a full honest answer, because we both know this is a difficult question for pro-lifer’s. When polled, we generally don’t even want to jail the woman.

But why would we? We believe the woman is also the victim there. For years the argument was that it’s just a clump of cells, not a living creature. But when women intend to have a child and start a family, they’re shown sonograms of a face, arms, legs, maybe even thumb sucking. They feel movement and bond. People tend to call women mothers before the fetus is even viable. How are you supposed to square that? When wanted the fetus is a baby, otherwise, it’s a parasite?

Women mourn after a miscarriage, even some who had no idea they were pregnant. I read that Jay-Z even mentioned the ones they’ve experienced in a song to his first child. It was that touching and meaningful to him.

But it’s still not the same as having to bury a child. Maybe in part just because the loss is so specific, to the father and mother and no one else.

It’s a very strange tightrope. I don’t understand it. There are people I love who have had abortions, and I would have given anything to change their minds. I don’t hate people for disagreeing with me on this issue, even if they actively disagree, but I cannot understand them.

I don’t mean this as a Godwin, but I sometimes think abolitionists understand it best. It feels like the world has gone mad on this issue, but I hope one day we’ll all look back on abortion as an unimaginable thing people once thought was OK.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 11:15 PM

She’s alive because abortion is legal. Had it not been legal he wouldn’t have stopped her from having the baby.

I’m not sure why you keep missing that part?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 10:46 PM

No, she’s alive because she somehow got away from a dangerous and violent man. Had she done so sooner, she might also have been able to keep the baby she wanted. It’s horrible that she was unable to do so, for whatever reason, but it is a good thing that she was able to get rid of him. I hope she is in a better place now.

Esthier on February 2, 2012 at 11:18 PM

Ok freshface, I will take you at your word that what you have presented is true and you honestly don’t understand the pro-life stance. If your sister had already had the child and this abusive piece of trash didn’t want a completely dependent whining newborn around and said he would continue to beat her until she killed the newborn, would that be ok? That is where pro-lifers differentiate from your view. They believe that the baby inside the womb is just as much as a life as those outside the womb. So should it be legal to kill a newborn because this would keep the mother from continued beatings? Your answer likely depends on what your view of the start of life is.

ajsleepy on February 2, 2012 at 11:37 PM

Abortion is the altar of the Progressive Religion that all political leaders must bow at.

Baal lives……

……and in America one of it’s names is “Pro-Choice”.

PappyD61 on February 2, 2012 at 11:38 PM

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/08/jon-kyl/jon-kyl-says-abortion-services-are-well-over-90-pe/

Oh my. 3% of their ‘business’ is abortions.

And everyone’s losing their shizzle.

So much posturing.

CorporatePiggy on February 2, 2012 at 8:30 PM

That is misleading. This article may give you a different perspective.

http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2011/04/why-the-claim-that-abortion-is-%E2%80%9Conly-3-of-planned-parenthood%E2%80%99s-services%E2%80%9D-is-so-radically-misleading/

cptacek on February 3, 2012 at 12:02 AM

Horace on February 2, 2012 at 9:13 PM
Get over yourself old man. Your bullying and ridicule doesn’t intimidate me now, anymore than it did the first time you tried it.

Flora Duh on February 2, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Dude! T a k e it e a s y!
You are a good guy most of the time. Most of the time…you and Bishop and a few others keep me in stitches.
You drinking some nights when you get on?
Nothing wrong with that!
I have friends-good warm sensitive people…who when they drink a little too much…become mean Hyde’s to their normal Jekyll and I don’t recognize them. Please! Relax! T a k e it e a s y!

KOOLAID2 on February 3, 2012 at 12:09 AM

The left is already having fun with that, wondering if Komen will also cut its millions of dollars in funding to Penn State because they’re the subject of a federal investigation related to Jerry Sandusky.

Wow, Penn State, Planned Parenthood… Is covering up child rape an actual requirement for getting a grant from Komen, or is it just bonus points on the application?

Fabozz on February 3, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Wonder how long these younger ‘pro life’ zealots will last when their gf’s stop giving it up in protest solidarity.

Not every pro-life male is a total ho’.

bmmg39 on February 3, 2012 at 12:47 AM

See the update. Not one thin dime from me.

JPeterman on February 2, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Who cares? You can cancel out at least one ninny who abandons SGK.

bmmg39 on February 3, 2012 at 12:49 AM

But back to my abused sister.

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

Looks like the legality or illegality of abortion wasn’t the issue, then.

bmmg39 on February 3, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

My sister wanted to have an abortion, but her boyfriend didn’t want her to have one, so he beat her and threatened to kill her until she decided not to have an abortion. If abortion were illegal, he wouldn’t have had beat her to keep her from having one.

See, you’re not the only one who can make stupid arguments with no basis in reality.

xblade on February 3, 2012 at 3:53 AM

The pro-abortion zealots are many and well heeled. They should spend their own money to support PP and quit forcing others to support something which they fundamentally disagree. Have a telethon and get your donors to publicly support murdering the most vulnerable and innocent among us. Over 50 million innocent lives snuffed out since Roe v. Wade. Follow the money and you will find it is the driving force behind the abortion industry. Honey, it’s not about your right to choose, it’s about your opportunity to provide the providers of abortion services with a wealthy lifestyle and if killing innocent babies is the way to fund it, so be it.

JannyMc on February 3, 2012 at 4:38 AM

Komen pulled their funding, Planned Parenthood picked up other donors.

This is exactly as it should be. No one organization or company or individual should be forced to support a belief or policy they feel is not right.

They wailing from the Planned Parenthood sock puppets on the Left is amusing. Its not like the lack of Komen grants will force these centers to shut down.

Got a cause? Raise money for it. If there isn’t sufficient interest or sympathy for your cause, you will fail. That’s just life in the non-profit industry. I know. I’ve been working in the industry for nearly 20 years.

GadsdenRattlers on February 3, 2012 at 7:00 AM

I hate to bring this up but does any of these grants go to actually finding a cure for breast cancer? I know they spend millions to get women more women tested and more cancer detected as early as possible and that is a worthy goal, but what about finding a cure?? It’s Susan Koman “for the cure” isn’t it? Giving millions to planned parenthood seems to have strayed from their mission of finding a cure.

Dollayo on February 3, 2012 at 7:01 AM

If you buy a Girl Scout cookie, you pay for abortions. Nancy Pelosi describes the Girl Scouts funding Planned Parenthood as a “very valuable” relationship.

crash72 on February 3, 2012 at 7:04 AM

I hate to bring this up but does any of these grants go to actually finding a cure for breast cancer? I know they spend millions to get women more women tested and more cancer detected as early as possible and that is a worthy goal, but what about finding a cure?? It’s Susan Koman “for the cure” isn’t it? Giving millions to planned parenthood seems to have strayed from their mission of finding a cure.

Dollayo on February 3, 2012 at 7:01 AM

Their latest financial statement showed 24% went to research.

darwin on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 AM

Oh, and in the phrase “Pro-Choice,” what is being “chosen?” People never complete that phrase. “Choose” is a verb. It requires a predicate. What is that?

Horace on February 2, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Whaaattt? Better get a new edition of Strunk and White….

right2bright on February 3, 2012 at 8:30 AM

Their latest financial statement showed 24% went to research.

darwin on February 3, 2012 at 8:22 AM

I think it is more accurate to place “research” in quotes…they don’t define what “research” is.
It’s a catch-all, it could be publishing papers, or interviewing “scientists” or doctors to support their cause. It’s like saying the word “consultant”.

right2bright on February 3, 2012 at 8:32 AM

But back to my abused sister.

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Shouldn’t it be:
Back to the made up story to try to make what I think more believable…

right2bright on February 3, 2012 at 8:43 AM

By moving from Pink to Red and making this disasterous decision, Komen has trashed it’s own brand. They caved to the anti-choicers and will soon find out that those who would commit women to reproductive slavery cannot be satisfied. Komen now understands it has sold its soul and I predict they will try to find some way to reverse their decision. However, it may be too late.

An unintended consequence of the Komen sell out is that the nationwide political war on Planned Parenthood is back on the front page and those who stand for women’s reproductive rights are galvanized to fight back.

chumpThreads on February 3, 2012 at 8:51 AM

But back to my abused sister.

Her man decided the baby would cut into his drug money and beat her until she had an abortion.

Do you think he would let her have the baby because it became illegal?

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:56 PM

If you are going to lie, lie well.

The whole story reeks of “issue” over “emotion” – because of your blase way of describing events of your “sister” – and the attempt at making an abortion point.

You lack the true disgust, emotion and any form of “real” – if in fact it was your sister. Too sanitized and too abortion focused. You throw out a “well we didnt know what was going on”… as a weak attempt to explain the question any brother or sister is asking here “Why didnt you shoot the scumbag in his face”

Clearly this was some internet story that gained legs – and this dope adopted the story to put a square peg in a round hole.

But liberals love lying to make a point – so again, lie well – and try to have a modicum of reality to your faux outrage story.

Odie1941 on February 3, 2012 at 9:12 AM

Our liberal TV station WFAA in D/FW is mostly doing stories from PP’s point of view, claiming that Komen’s taking money away is harming all the poor women who go there for “screenings.” On the TV stations’ FB page, a lot of people support Komen, but the lefties are coming out of the woodwork claiming we on the Right are bossing people around, making people live the way we want them to live. Funny, I thought the Left did that, because I don’t know very many righties who care to impose their will on other people.

cebj25 on February 3, 2012 at 9:29 AM

They caved to the anti-choicers

You’ve got to love the war over “labels”!

Now, considering I saw a stat that said that something like 91 or 93% of pregnant women who enter PP get an abortion…

…wouldn’t that make PP the “anti-choicers”?

Religious_Zealot on February 3, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Komen now understands it has sold its soul and I predict they will try to find some way to reverse their decision. However, it may be too late.

How is not sending money to PP “selling their soul”?

Especially considering that the only link between breast cancer and abortion is that studies show that women who have abortions have a higher rate of breast cancer.

In light of the science, wouldn’t that make giving ANY money to abortion centers “selling their soul”?

Religious_Zealot on February 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM

If PP does not actually provide mammograms there is no good reason for Komen to fund them. If all they do is show how to do a self exam that is something your average computer competent person can find on line.

katiejane on February 3, 2012 at 9:36 AM

Komen is crappin’ out. Take a stand, tell the truth and defend your decisions… in other words MAN UP

Wade on February 3, 2012 at 10:09 AM

What does Komen stand for? Absolutely nothin’

Wade on February 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Keep this anti-women overreach up and you may just awaken the beast.

freshface on February 2, 2012 at 8:34 PM

“Anti-woman” is the butchery of over 30 million baby girls in this country since 1973.

And you’re right: there *is* something beastly about that.

The_Jacobite on February 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Simple logic,
FACT: abortions increase the risk of breast cancer.
FACT: Susan G. Koman Foundation supports PPH.
FACT: PPH performs more abortions than any other organization.

Therefore: PPH increases the risk of breast cancer in young women.

This is why I have never given a dime to SGK. I might now, if they pull all funding.

kirkill on February 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM

The days of broads ‘witholding’ sex are long over. Thank you Helen Gurley Brown Gloria Steinem, et al.
Lanceman on February 2, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Yup.”freshface” obviously hasnt dated in a while. No surprise there.
It’s good to be the king.

Shambhala on February 3, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Jazzman on February 2, 2012 at 10:40 PM

If the fetus isn’t alive then why bother with abortion at all? I mean, seriously. I’m going to stop there and charitably think you are speaking as to whether the fetus is a person.

Because if the fetus isn’t a person, then abortion isn’t the deliberate killing of another human being. Women (and the men who wish to continue to exploit them) can still assert their rights over their own bodies. Of course women do not have rights over other peoples bodies, but claiming a fetus is not a person takes care of that problem. For the “right to privacy” can allow a woman the right to choose what she wants for her body, but of course killing another person is not a private, but a public deed. Persons have a right to life, but non-persons do not.

Funny how language and willful ignorance can let a society get away with the seemingly unimaginable. Ivan think of plenty of instances where society took care of non-persons…..

quiz1 on February 3, 2012 at 10:59 AM

quiz1 on February 3, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Not Ivan – I have no idea who he is…..dumb fat fingers….

quiz1 on February 3, 2012 at 11:04 AM

Whatever about whatever some people say abortion is.

America doesn’t want the govt to be in charge of pregnancy. That hasn’t changed. Even many people that refer to themselves as pro life don’t want the govt to be in charge of pregnancy. Mind your own business.

Moesart on February 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Moesart on February 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM

Good advice – if the left took it themselves. Obamacare? Pregnancy is the least of things the government will insert themselves in “your own business”.
It is amusing seeing the libs contort themselves over this issue.

quiz1 on February 3, 2012 at 11:34 AM

America doesn’t want the govt to be in charge of pregnancy. That hasn’t changed. Even many people that refer to themselves as pro life don’t want the govt to be in charge of pregnancy. Mind your own business.

Moesart on February 3, 2012 at 11:16 AM

We don’t want the government to be in charge of parenting either but that doesn’t mean we’re petitioning to free Andrea Yates.

But we should, shouldn’t we? I mean, it’s not my business that she killed her kids. I didn’t know them.

Esthier on February 3, 2012 at 11:37 AM

kim roy on February 2, 2012 at 10:17 PM

It goes to the “liberal’s” fundamental beliefs: You are not responsible nor should you be accountable for your own actions – the government should replace your parents in taking care of you. It’s extremely immature, but it’s why we have the Occupy crowd and the pro-abortion crowd. It has nothing to do with caring about “women’s health” it has to do with not wanting to take even the bare minimum required – the 143 methods of birth control, asking your partner to wear a condom, etc. – before you screw around. It’s your right to be irresponsible, and it’s our job to bail you out. And so what if you kill your baby? Why should you be “punished” for your irresponsibility?

foxforce91 on February 3, 2012 at 12:01 PM

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