Did DoJ approve “a different approach” to gunwalking in 2010?

posted at 9:15 am on February 2, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Eric Holder goes back up the Hill today to tell Congress that he doesn’t have to share his e-mails with anyone, but that may be a little too late.  A new report from Rep. Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley allege that Holder deputy Lanny Breuer gave the ATF a green light on a “different approach” to interdicting weapons going across the border in 2010, and then failed to follow up — at best — on Operation Fast and Furious:

The memo, sent to Republican members of the Oversight Committee, was based upon interviews, documents and emails involving key players of the operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The operation allowed some 2,000 weapons cross the border into Mexico and into the hands of cartel members. …

The memo claims there was coordination between the Justice Department in Washington and the ATF in the early stages of the operation.

Emails released show that Kenneth Melson, former Acting Director of the ATF contacted Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer and told him that his organization wanted to take a “different approach” to seizing guns going to Mexico.

Breuer responded that it was a “terrific idea” and the Department assigned a prosecutor from its Criminal Division to work with the ATF in early 2010.

Republicans say attorney Joe Cooley attended key briefings on the program and should have alerted the Justice Department to what was going on. The memo also alleges that there was a lack of management by both the ATF and Justice Department with the use of federal wiretaps.

According to the memo, “Both Justice Department and ATF leaders in Washington, D.C. claimed they were unaware of the gunwalking that occurred during Fast and Furious, yet both could have and should have reviewed the Wiretap Affidavits.”

So what exactly was “a terrific idea”?  Until now, Breuer and Holder have both claimed that they didn’t know that the ATF was doing anything differently than their traditional interdiction strategies. This “terrific idea” seems to be closely related to Operation Fast and Furious, and the only innovation in that effort was letting the guns go across the border without coordinating with the Mexican government — the very issue Congress seeks to expose.

You know what would clear this up?  Access to Holder’s e-mails and other work products, but Holder will claim today that those are somehow privileged — an interesting assertion.  Holder won’t quite claim executive privilege but instead will try to parallel it, claiming in his prepared testimony (via Jim Geraghty):

Prior administrations have recognized that robust internal communications would be chilled, and the Executive Branch’s ability to respond to oversight requests thereby impeded, if our internal communications concerning our responses to congressional oversight were disclosed to Congress. … The appropriate functioning of the separation of powers requires that Executive Branch officials have the ability to communicate confidentially as they discuss how to respond to inquiries from Congress. …

Such candid internal deliberations are necessary to preserve the independence, integrity, and effectiveness of the Department’s law enforcement activities and would be chilled by disclosure to Congress of such materials. Just as we have worked to accommodate the Committee’s legitimate oversight needs, I trust that the Committee will equally recognize the Executive Branch’s constitutional interests and will work with us to avoid further conflict on this matter.

Executive privilege does not flow downward from the President to the entire executive branch, however.  The President has (a very limited) recourse to executive privilege not because he has confidential consultations, but because the people elected him separately to run the executive branch.  It does not extend to even others in the White House unless the communications sought involve the President directly.  It certainly doesn’t apply to leadership of agencies within the executive branch, who are explicitly accountable to Congress and whose agencies exist under a blend of both executive and legislative prerogatives.  The only way executive privilege could be claimed would be to assert that the President was involved in these discussions, which I assume would be the last thing Obama wants this year.

Eric Holder has no executive privilege, and the Senate might have to start considering how to remove him if he refuses to cooperate with legitimate oversight into an operation that has killed hundreds of Mexicans and a Border Patrol agent with weapons the ATF deliberately allowed to fall into the hands of the drug cartels.

Geraghty’s conclusion sums it up well:

Thus, the administration that took military action in Libya without any authorization from force from Congress, that appointed czars with policymaking authority without Congressional confirmation, and that made ‘recess’ appointments while Congress was not in recess is invoking executive privilege to cover how the Department of Justice reacted when Congress began asking about a gun-trafficking operation that got U.S. law enforcement officers murdered by Mexican drug cartels.

All from a president who railed against a runaway imperial presidency when George W. Bush sat in the office he currently occupies.


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Maybe dude cain’t read! Book em, Martha Stewart lied to congress

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 10:39 AM

What the hell does DHS have to do with Fast and furious? its an ATF, State Dept program to sell guns illegally and then use that sale to subvert second amendment rights of law abiding citizens

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 10:27 AM

homeland security” may mean different things to different people…no?

ted c on February 2, 2012 at 10:40 AM

gaseous windbag.

I’m the attorney general of the United States!

stfu

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM

tom daschle concerned on February 2, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Repeat over and over and over.

ORconservative on February 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Wouldn’t Eric Holder look just great in a perp walk?

Especialmente si se encuentra bajo la custodia de la Policía Judicial Mexican

PKO Strany on February 2, 2012 at 10:41 AM

Maybe dude cain’t read! Book em, Martha Stewart lied to congress

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 10:39 AM

hehehehe

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 10:42 AM

I met Holder once, back when he was a Deputy AG under Clinton. The man just exudes arrogance and superiority from every pore.

Trafalgar on February 2, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Someone needs to be put in an orange jump suit for lying under oath. That name is Eric Holder. And yesterday his boss said things were done wrong. Can anyone see Little Miss telling her subordinate what to do ?

democratsarefools on February 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM

March 23, 2011 9:59 AM
Obama on “gunwalking”: Serious mistake may have been made
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20046151-10391695.html?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea

“There may be a situation here which a serious mistake was made and if that’s the case then we’ll find out and well hold somebody accountable,”

What has El Presidente Downgrade done in the intervening time to find out and hold somebody accountable?

Chip on February 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM

“homeland security” may mean different things to different people…no?

ted c on February 2, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Thats what it means? I work with DHS… (Department of Health and Human services) in my profession, Not Homeland Security to me, if thats what the reference was thanks for the heads up!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 10:45 AM

this is making me effin’ sick. I applaud anyone who can handle this bs. I’m out.

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 10:45 AM

DHChron
watssss sup
How’s the great country of Texas?

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 10:50 AM

What has El Presidente Downgrade done in the intervening time to find out and hold somebody accountable?

Chip on February 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM

The same thing OJ’s done in tracking down the “real killers” of Nicole and Goldman.

Baxter Greene on February 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM

The same thing OJ’s done in tracking down the “real killers” of Nicole and Goldman.

Baxter Greene on February 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM

And the funny thing is they both were looking for someone to hold accountable on the golf courses of America.

Trafalgar on February 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM

sup Mike.

this d@mn hearing is a sea of dem non sequiturs

three cups of coffee ain’t helping…I’m effin’ pissed! and I don’t get pissed so that’s pretty bad.

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM

Why should Holder — or any subordinate officer within the Executive Branch be compelled to release internal communications when malfeasance is suspected? It’s the old question: “who guards the guardians?” In our country, Congress and the courts. Since this is the kind of issue that cannot come into the courts for various reasons having to do with standing and the Supremacy Clause, it falls on Congress to do the job. And the myrmidons in the Executive do not have the right to refuse to comply with Congressional orders.

Obama once gave a speech in which he said, essentially, that the only people who object to disclosure are those who have something to hide. Do tell.

UnrepentantCurmudgeon on February 2, 2012 at 10:56 AM

MS. Buerkle amazed this is what her constituents are interested about. Why cause the Presstitute media isn’t interested? the citizens want for Holder the same justice Martha Stewart, Wesley Snipes, Scooter Libby got, mamm!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM

How much is all this double speak costing the taxpayer?

Bmore on February 2, 2012 at 10:57 AM

you’re responsible jack@ss

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Hows come the folks who were so interested in Sarah Palins emails are not interested in the emails relating to the murder of a border patrol agent and sanctioning of illegal gun sales by our govt

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM

stumped him!

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:00 AM

DHChron
Im stuck in a muffler shop outside cleveland, kinda scary without a gun, so I can’t watch. I guess im lucky.

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Holder is the poster boy for arrogant lying scumbags everywhere.

Naturally Curly on February 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM

Lady kicked ass! How many more border patrol agents have to die before you are going to be held accountable.
Holder speechless, and thinks question is baaadd. Good question good lady re-elect her!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM

why is the first thing the Dems say always, “sorry we’ve pulled you in six times already” ?

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:02 AM

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 11:01 AM

get a gun while you can, if you can, its your obligation to defend and protect yourself, family and neighbors, if you can, the cops can’t do it they need help.

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:04 AM

The same thing OJ’s done in tracking down the “real killers” of Nicole and Goldman.

Baxter Greene on February 2, 2012 at 10:51 AM

And the funny thing is they both were looking for someone to hold accountable on the golf courses of America.

Trafalgar on February 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM

Why doesn’t the Media ever press him on the matter?

You’d think that accusations of high-level corruption, attempts at subverting the Constitution and scandals that could result in the destabilization of a foreign country would be News to them..

Chip on February 2, 2012 at 11:05 AM

I think mr Lynch needs a drink!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM

angrymike

a muffler shop, eh? yeah, you’re better off there. At home with your guns, this hearing could be dangerous.

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:06 AM

This doesn’t rise to the level that the AG signs off on?

INCOMPETENT LIAR!

Throw him in jail!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:07 AM

So when the movie is eventually made, Steve Urkel or JJ to play Holder?

/dynomite!

roy_batty on February 2, 2012 at 11:08 AM

Whose gonna make that movie? Breitbart, trump, Rush, Hannity? Certainly NOT the mfmedia

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM

Hows come the folks who were so interested in Sarah Palins emails are not interested in the emails relating to the murder of a border patrol agent and sanctioning of illegal gun sales by our govt

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 10:59 AM

It’s almost as is they are complicit in keeping it quiet.

/blink blink

roy_batty on February 2, 2012 at 11:09 AM

rip him a new one Gosar

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:10 AM

And the funny thing is they both were looking for someone to hold accountable on the golf courses of America.

Trafalgar on February 2, 2012 at 10:54 AM

speaking of looking for “who to hold accountable” BigGovernment and Ace of Spades reported that former Congressman Anthony “Did you get my Junk Tweet pic?” Weiner paid $13K in campaign funds to a private investigator to found out who #hacKedMyTwttr account.

#itcouldahappened

ted c on February 2, 2012 at 11:11 AM

Today:

Holder refuses to release emails, claiming something like (but not) “executive privilege.”

Holder held in contempt of Congress.

Demands for resignation follow.

Impeachment hearings begin in the House.

With a Democrat-controlled Senate, conviction will never happen. But maybe there’s enough discovery to ensure a slam-dunk for the Terry family lawsuit.

BTW, per the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Garland (see ¶9), Obama could pardon anyone involved in Fast & Furious even before that person is subject to a Congressional or judicial proceeding. Double-dog dare him, Issa.

de rigueur on February 2, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Link to hearing stream:

http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/hearing2.html

novaculus on February 2, 2012 at 11:12 AM

DHChron
Passed my ccw, got go to sheriff next week. Glad im not watching I’d be mad to, I can’t stand lairs.

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 11:12 AM

more gun control.

Eric Holder on February 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Right Gosar! Martha Stewart lied to congress isn’t there a baseball player in the hot seat for the same but Holder can?

The people are held to account the govt isn’t new gun restrictions will not help that

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:13 AM

What has El Presidente Downgrade done in the intervening time to find out and hold somebody accountable?

Chip on February 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM

You mean delegating the job to Holder wasn’t good enough for you? /s

ElectricPhase on February 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Gun control is hitting your target!

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Passed my ccw, got go to sheriff next week. Glad im not watching I’d be mad to, I can’t stand lairs.

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 11:12 AM

Awesome, check out USCCA if you haven’t lots of help to CCW holders including liabilty issues and what to tell the cops etc.

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:16 AM

hahahahaha, you’re so honorable, puxatawny Phil…SIX times.

retarded dem

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:17 AM

Damn Constitution! We haven’t gotten rid of it yet? What are we waiting for?

Eren on February 2, 2012 at 11:18 AM

more gun control.

i’m gonna throw up

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Connolly is a horrible actor. I wonder how many times they’ve rehearsed this crap.

PetecminMd on February 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Oh BS there are numerous laws pertaining to the sale of guns and straw purchases of such. Gun laws were subverted by actions of the Federal Govt. New laws won’t stop that!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

Concealedkerry
Already get emails but thanks, good looking out!
;-)

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

This is what you get when you put monkies in authority.

rjulio on February 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM

PetecminMd on February 2, 2012 at 11:19 AM

tee hee…sounds like he practiced in front of the mirror last night.

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Oh, that’s right, just ask the Mexicans what our laws should be.

Norky on February 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM

I’m outta here angry to the mike.

good luck with that muffler

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:21 AM

Is anyone going to hold this guy’s feet to the fire today?

Norky on February 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM

DHChron:

I agree. The Democrats are more interested in apologizing to Holder for having to appear for the sixth time (they do keep reiterating this fact – more cooperation from Holder would have probably meant that he did not have to come back so many times) than finding out who ordered Fast & Furious and why nobody has disciplined for thirteen months after the murder of a federal law enforcement agent.

Santnick on February 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM

No more gun laws, the govt subverted the laws by sanctioning ILLEGAL sales just like they sanction ILLEGAL immigration

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Santnick on February 2, 2012 at 11:22 AM

it’s almost surreal Santnick. How does this happen in America?

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:25 AM

Later buddy TTYT

angrymike on February 2, 2012 at 11:25 AM

In Other News, wasn’t Watergate just a teeny tiny scandal compared to this? How many people died because of Watergate? How many people dies because of Operation Fast and Furious?

kirkill on February 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM

http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html

Attorney General Eric Holder at the Mexico/United States Arms Trafficking Conference
CUERNAVACA, MEXICO ~ Thursday, April 2, 2009

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail.

TX-96 on February 2, 2012 at 11:33 AM

There is no conclusion here Mr Quigley down under because the stonewaller Holder will not release the emails, the documents, or allow his underlings to testify.
This clown makes a mockery of our system of checks and balances and the usurping of citizens rights by a corrupt regime.

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Mr Quigley and other Democrat enemies of the Constitution: Just advise Holder to COOPERATE and there would be no need to call Holder 6 times or more to these hearings.

@#$%$%^^&)*

Eren on February 2, 2012 at 11:34 AM

rjulio on February 2, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Racist…

affenhauer on February 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Did they swear Holder in this time?

WisRich on February 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM

OBAMAGATE!

Holder can be somebody’s “body man” in a federal cell.

profitsbeard on February 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Holder needs a lifetime appointment from the senate

Eren on February 2, 2012 at 11:36 AM

As I posted in the DoJ bribery headline thread. We are no longer a nation of laws. What we have now is a criminal syndicate and its enablers.

The entire administration thumbs its nose as the law and does whatever they want. The checks and balances do not work. The Zero even ignored a valid subpeona to report to court. They see themselves above the law and since there are no real tools to enforce the law, we are essentially into facism here.

Zero, Holder and Company are guilty of criminal conspiracy. They initiated F&F, took the bribes, funneled money to their friends through Solyndra and other now dead or dying green companies and numerous other things.

HOW MUCH MORE CORRUPTION WILL IT TAKE BEFORE CONGRESS GETS OFF ITS ASS?

dogsoldier on February 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Did they swear Holder in this time?

WisRich on February 2, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Yes.

http://t.co/JHZmj799

Naturally Curly on February 2, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Perfectly true, Holder. You can’t lose something you never had.

Eren on February 2, 2012 at 11:42 AM

“This is a political issue” Holder

No Mr Panther its a LEGAL issue as is Lying to congress.

Questioner calls Holder a liar and a coverup YES!

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:43 AM

This just in: Holder says there is no cover-up.

I see no reason to further pursue this investigation.\

Norky on February 2, 2012 at 11:45 AM

DHChron:

This whole episode is one of the most shameful things I have ever witnessed. It is utterly astonishing that to this day we still don’t know who approved this criminal operation and why nobody has been held accountable. This for me is the biggest indictment of big government I can think of because if the organization is so vast that we don’t know who is doing what than we need to stop this insanity. Then you have these idiot Democrats who are more interested in calling for more gun control and greater restrictions on the purchase of firearms by law-abiding citizens while at the same time we have a government agency who knowingly sold deadly weapons to dangerous criminals and people were murdered as a result with these same weapons! And all this was done over the reservations and objections of the owners of the gun shops!

As Rep. Desjarlais wryly pointed out that the only thing we know for sure today is that Holder is testifying for the sixth time…

Santnick on February 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Eric Holder has no executive privilege, and the Senate might have to start considering how to remove him if he refuses to cooperate with legitimate oversight into an operation that has killed hundreds of Mexicans and a Border Patrol agent with weapons the ATF deliberately allowed to fall into the hands of the drug cartels.

Oh, please. Not until the Republicans gain a majority. There’s no way in hell Reid will allow this to happen.

At least, under the current circumstances. If, however, it became clear that Holder’s recalcitrance was weighing on Obama’s reelection campaign, then we’d probably see Holder forced out.

But even then, there’s simply no chance whatsoever that the Senate will take up impeachment proceedings. The House can shout ’til it’s blue in the face. The Dems in the Senate will ignore them.

nukemhill on February 2, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Holder needs to be sent to Gitmo. This is the containment facility that houses terrorists that are trying to destroy our Constitution and our country. Holder is a domestic terrorist deserving first class treatment! Water boarding might make him tell the truth for once in his sorry life.

harvey1 on February 2, 2012 at 11:53 AM

It’s showtime…maybe.

Norky on February 2, 2012 at 11:54 AM

What is amazing is what Holder does not or did not know…he is making a mockery of our justice system.

d1carter on February 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

WOW Stonewaller Holder just pissed Issa off big time. Holder is almost daring Issa to do something here by saying he complied and arguing with Issa that the subpoenas were not the reason issa says the ONLY time they got documents was under threat by subpoena.

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

The fact that Holder keeps referring to this matter as political I think is utterly ridiculous. And he keeps hiding behind this idea that what he has done is consistent with past practice. He sure likes mentioning this and it shows what hypocrites he and Obama are because they came into office claiming how they were going to usher in a new era of transparency.

I like how Issa is rightly pointing out that no information has been given to his committee by Holder’s Department of Justice VOLUNTARILY. Everything that has been received has been done via the power of the subpoena. Holder is such a joke and anybody who thinks he looks good in this hearing has not the slightest clue about anything. Issa is starting to get pissed and rightfully so.

Santnick on February 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Santnick on February 2, 2012 at 11:47 AM

yes, I seem to remember someone mentioning this was his sixth time :)

Another thing we know – Holder is not much more sophisticated a liar than Roger Clemens. These dems eat it with a shovel and play along.

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

go Gowdy, go!

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Mr. Gowdy! Burn!!

Bmore on February 2, 2012 at 11:57 AM

haha…holder needs a recess to prepare.

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Came over from the Trump endorsement/ fight thread. So what’s happening? Any bomb shells yet?

sandee on February 2, 2012 at 11:58 AM

WOW Holder lying about fast and furious language in the White documents says they referred to gunnrunner.
Holder needs to go to GITMO hearing in suspension for 5 minutes while documents are provided to Holder Issa says team behind him was trying to force Holder to alter his false testimony

ConcealedKerry on February 2, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Who are the clowns behind Holder shaking their heads and making faces..?

d1carter on February 2, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Holder is such a joke and anybody who thinks he looks good in this hearing has not the slightest clue about anything. Issa is starting to get pissed and rightfully so.

Santnick on February 2, 2012 at 11:55 AM

hmmmmm…Holder’s looking pretty good here, eh?

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM

Holder needs to be sent to a prison where the soap is extra slippery…

Rep. Gowdy is tearing him a new one right now over the e-mails which demonstrate that the DOJ knew about this operation a long time ago and that guns were walked. Holder is lying and has been since day one and it is patently obvious. He gets away with it because the Democrats in Congress would never convict him regardless of the evidence because they are criminally partisan and the MSM is oblivious to this whole scandal.

Santnick on February 2, 2012 at 12:00 PM

wow, outta both sides of his mouth! incredible

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 12:02 PM

Obama and Holder are both complicit in the murder of Brian Terry and hundreds of Mexican citizens. Obama will protest Holder with his last breath because Holder knows where all the bodies are buried. We must all get out and vote against this corrupt president and his thug administration.

jqc1970 on February 2, 2012 at 12:04 PM

I like this guy Gowdy.

Bmore on February 2, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Mr. Welch = douchebag.

VegasRick on February 2, 2012 at 12:06 PM

more gun control

Mr. Welch on February 2, 2012 at 12:07 AM

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

PM :)

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Its both Welch! What is your ? to Holder again?

Bmore on February 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

So, Mr. Welch is making this hearing about Issa..?

d1carter on February 2, 2012 at 12:07 PM

Does Vermont have any non-commie representation?

Eren on February 2, 2012 at 12:08 PM

Get this POS off the floor.

VegasRick on February 2, 2012 at 12:09 PM

ah snap! Bush did it!

DHChron on February 2, 2012 at 12:10 PM

Buuuuusssshhhh

WisRich on February 2, 2012 at 12:10 PM

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