Jim Moran: Allen West isn’t representative of African-Americans

posted at 5:25 pm on February 1, 2012 by Allahpundit

Via Mediaite, does Moran mean West isn’t representative of blacks generally or that he wasn’t representative of them specifically when he said Obama, Pelosi, and Reid should “get the hell out of the United States of America”? He’s on the right network and the right show for cheap racial demagoguery aimed at a minority conservative, but I’m thrown by what he says at the beginning in claiming that West isn’t representative of the GOP either. That’s an unusual concession coming from a Democrat in attack mode, especially when he’s got Sunshine here egging him on.

Ah well. After that first flush of ambiguity, he settles into a standard racially-tinged “you’re selling out your roots” jag against West:

He just seems clueless now that he has climbed aboard ship. He’s climbed this ladder of opportunity that was constructed by so many of his ancestors’ sweat, sacrifice, blood. You know, they did everything they could for his generation to be successful. But now that he’s climbed on board ship, instead of reaching down and steadying the ladder, he wants to push it off. You know, “I’m up here. If you’re not with me, too bad.” And President Obama, fortunately, is the kind of guy that says, “I was very fortunate to get where I am and I’m going to spend my life trying to steady that ladder of opportunity by reducing college tuition and training our workers, trying to get a decent job for everybody. Making sure that while I’m African-American, it really doesn’t matter. What matters is my commitment to public service, my love for this country and, you know. I’m going to leave a constructive legacy.’”

I was … not aware that West opposes lower college tuition, well-trained workers, and jobs. I’d bet cash money that he supports all three so long as they’re being driven by the private sector, precisely because the private sector can build that ladder better than government can. But then, that’s why Moran tossed the “ancestors” reference in there — to use the notion of race treason as a deterrent against minority viewers who might otherwise agree with West about government intervention in markets. It’s one of Democrats’ most brutal tactics and it’s not limited to black Republicans. The boss emeritus has had trolls tossing “race traitor” nonsense at her literally for decades, yet I’d be surprised if even one has bothered trying to explain why Americans of Filipino ancestry should be seen as selling out their heritage by preferring smaller government. The logic seems to be that she’s a minority and minority conservatives are “inauthentic” and, well, there you go. QED.

That’s clip one. Clip two, via the MRC, speaks for itself; skip ahead to around 11 minutes in and listen to radio host Thaddeus Matthews strip Moran’s point of its Beltway-speak patina to its rawest, most vicious form and then throw it in the face of Republican Charlotte Bergmann. Nice to see this argument naked for once.



Related Posts:

Breaking on Hot Air

Blowback

Note from Hot Air management: This section is for comments from Hot Air's community of registered readers. Please don't assume that Hot Air management agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment just because we let it stand. A reminder: Anyone who fails to comply with our terms of use may lose their posting privilege.

Trackbacks/Pings

Trackback URL

Comments

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4

And I guess I don’t understand why its worse to accuse someone of wanting to destroy the nation than it is to call someone inauthentically black. Can you stretch your mighty brain cells and make a case for that please?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

In other words you would rather not grasp the grave meaning of Bishop’s post. You have been played. You’re as dumb as they get. You play your little “but I complained about Obama” bit ….but in the end you are bought and paid for.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Oh I don’t know, because accusations such as the ones you mentioned are leveled at people regardless of race whereas a black guy being called a “House Negr0″, “Oreo”, or “Uncle Tom” has nothing to do with where he lives or what he eats.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Sorry, he desegregated federal military plants, like the d.c. naval yard.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:35 PM

I see you went to work on google and quick. Laughable smarty.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Because he was a southern segregationist Democrat. Next please!

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

He was also the Senate majority leader.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM

And in the mid 1960s, many Democrats, including Algore’s Father, voted against the Civil Rights Act.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Indeed they did! And they lost and when black people earned the right to vote in the south they replaced many of those politicians with people like Clyburn and Lewis. I believe the term that conservatives use for them is “race pimps?” Or am I getting that wrong? The point is that the CRM and VRA changed the makeup of the Democratic party, which is precisely why southern segregationists opposed it. This is basic stuff people.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Are you actually going to sit (or stand or whatever) where you are and assert that conservatives don’t call blacks who loyally support Democrats as being “on a plantation.” Are you actually going to say that? I don’t know how any thinking person can take you seriously after that. No one is fooled.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

CNN

Singer Harry Belafonte on Tuesday refused to back down from his remarks last week likening Secretary of State Colin Powell to a house slave in the Bush administration, saying his problems are not with the man but with the policies Powell is supporting.

-snip-

In an interview on San Diego radio station KFMB-AM last Tuesday, Belafonte compared Powell to a plantation slave who moves into the slave owner’s house and says only things that will please his master.

“There’s an old saying,” Belafonte said in that interview. “In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and there were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master … exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him.”

-snip-

Belafonte said he was happy to have the chance to put his remarks in context but said he doesn’t regret making them.

“This was never meant to be a personal attack on Colin Powell’s character,” he said. “What it was meant to be was an attack on policy, and the reference, the metaphor used about slavery is part of my personal feeling that plantations exist all over America.”

-snip-

Belafonte said his views also apply to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, although, he said, he has never heard her step out of line with the administration’s views.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

I see you went to work on google and quick. Laughable smarty.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM

You’re hating on me for mixing up my facts and using google to double check? Uh….OK.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Oh so I get it. Its OK to accuse liberals of wanting to “Destroy America” because it doesn’t have racial overtones? Its only going too far to call someone inauthentically black? Can you explain why the later of those two accusations is fundamentally worse?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:23 PM

No, it’s not about what is “OK.” It’s about what is and isn’t racist.

Saying liberals want to destroy America isn’t racist. Saying someone isn’t “authentically” black is overt racism.

Weren’t you talking about rooting out racism, libfree? Come on, frog march Moran out of the movement. This is quite a bit louder than a “dog whistle.” You don’t need the special GOP decoder ring to understand Moran’s racism.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Does anyone understand the lib’s point?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Do you think that black people at the time held any illusions about who LBJ was and that he was racist? Him signing the 1964 CRA, in light of his racism, was a *VICTORY.* Or is your suggestion that black people should’ve waited to outlaw Jim Crow until they had a President who wasn’t a racist at heart? Would’ve been a looooong wait.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Not the point, is it darling? The left has had an obsession of throwing the race card out at Republicans for years. From accusing Sarah Palin of sending out “dog whistles” by using her don’t retreat, reload comment, to the ridiculous claim that the way Gingrich said, Juan was racist.

Not so flattering when the mirror of racism reflects back on your party, by the words they have actually used, is it?

Flora Duh on February 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

He was also the Senate majority leader.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Yup, being a racist wasn’t a political liability back then for any member of either party. By the end of the day we’ll have you recognizing how embedded racial discrimination is into the political structure after all. There’s hope for this one.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

You don’t need the special GOP decoder ring to understand Moran’s racism.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM

It doesn’t seem to matter how blatantly racist the left is, they’re always excused and the libs look the other way.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:42 PM

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:13 PM

“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
Lyndon B. Johnson upon signing the Civil Rights Act into law in 1964.

Flora Duh on February 1, 2012 at 6:25 PM

I’ll take that further.
It wasn’t Johnson signing the Civil Rights Act that pulled the blacks to the Democrat party. Within Congress, it was predominantly Republicans that voted for it, in turn forcing Johnson to either sign it or look very BAD, politically.
It was the assassination of MLK, and subsequent hi-jacking of the Civil Rights movement by liberal-socialist leaders.
Like so many other things, I wish I could prove this, but I do believe that President L.B. Johnson had fore-knowledge of, and possibly even participated at some level in the assassination of MLK.
But whether he did or didn’t, it really was MLK’s death that paved the way for black Americans to be “sucked in” wholesale to socialized government, and the Democrat party.

listens2glenn on February 1, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Does anyone understand the lib’s point?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

I’m still waiting for the ignorant pri*k to make one.

BigWyo on February 1, 2012 at 6:44 PM

By the end of the day we’ll have you recognizing how embedded racial discrimination is into the political structure after all. There’s hope for this one.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

No, we hope to have you recognizing how embedded racism is in the left. It always has been.

Right now you have race pimps like Sharpton and Jackson doing the bidding of white liberals to advance the left’s agenda.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Republicans stood for abolition. [...]
ZK on February 1, 2012 at 6:03 PM

What’s this talk about Republicans standing for abolition? Republicans are against killing unborn children! The GOP is mainly pro-life! I am outraged that you would … eh, what’s that? Oh, abolition. Never mind…

KS Rex on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Or is your suggestion that black people should’ve waited to outlaw Jim Crow until they had a President who wasn’t a racist at heart? Would’ve been a looooong wait.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Can you lend me your special glasses that see into people’s hearts, libfree? Well, you probably wouldn’t trust me with them, so instead, tell me whether or not these Presidents were “racist at heart”:

Nixon:
Ford:
Carter:
Reagan:
Bush 1:
Clinton:
Bush 2:
Obama:

Thanks in advance!

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

He can’t frogmarch Moran from office because that would betray the hypocrisy of not working to get Biden out of office.

There must be good racists and bad racists, you just need to check the political designation after their name to ascertain which is which.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Not the point, is it darling? The left has had an obsession of throwing the race card out at Republicans for years. From accusing Sarah Palin of sending out “dog whistles” by using her don’t retreat, reload comment, to the ridiculous claim that the way Gingrich said, Juan was racist.

Not so flattering when the mirror of racism reflects back on your party, by the words they have actually used, is it?

Flora Duh on February 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Its precisely the point Carissima Flora Dearest. The point I was making is that black people weren’t “fooled” into supporting Democrats they (correctly) believed that they could exert the most pressure on Democrats to pass the CRM because of the Kennedy Administration’s lip service support of the bill. They struck when the iron was hot and it didn’t *matter* that the people who passed and signed the bill were racist. They were concerned with ending southern Jim Crow, they were concerned with ending second class citizenship, they were concerned with not being threatened by the KKK and lynched for registering people to vote. They didn’t care what *words* people used in the 1960s, they cared about fricking surviving!

And thank heavens that, today, people can raise (and I think unnescessary) fuss about the racialist politics of conservatives. The stakes are lower now, precisely because black folks made a deal with the devil in the 1960s. And I don’t think any one of them would have made a different decision. Would you cher Flora?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I don’t know how any thinking person can take you seriously after that. No one is fooled.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Nobody’s certainly taking you seriously. I’m enjoying watching you foam at the mouth, defending worthless taking points.

I’ve been hearing Democrats lie that Republicans want to put blacks “back on the plantation.” I’ve seen Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton lie through their teeth (while making millions of dollars) that Republicans want to hurt blacks and you’re bitching about Republicans and the “plantation?”

This thread is about Jim Moran’s comments about Allan West. The posters who included “plantation” in their comments did it for one reason…to piss you off which is working very well.

It is your choice to be an absolute moron but your actions clearly indicate that you hate conservatives, black or white. Meanwhile, you defend Democrats even though you don’t agree with everything they say.

Ooh, somebody used “plantation” and, as a result, you wet your diapers and want to hit them with your baby bottle. The way you’re acting, you deserve to be called a crybaby.

Black unemployment is the highest ever in decades, more blacks are born out of the traditional family and you’re throwing this little hissy fit because some people use words you don’t like.

You’re a liar and a hypocrite. People like Allan West, Thomas Sowell, Condaleeza Rice and others don’t follow the Democrat mantra and they’re smeared by the very people who claim to be “open minded.” If you were really “open minded,” you would focus on Moran rather than whining like a crybaby.

In other words, grow up and act like a man, for a change!

Kingfisher on February 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Counterfactual question. We have no clue what would’ve happened if LBJ hadn’t used every dirty trick in the political book to push the CRM and VRAs through Congress. No doubt activists would’ve abandoned Democrats in the next election cycle and concentrated on getting support from Republicans. Who knows how history would’ve happened if history hadn’t happened the way it happened.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Right now you have race pimps like Sharpton and Jackson doing the bidding of white liberals to advance the left’s agenda.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Bishop, can you explain to me why calling someone an Uncle Tom is worse than calling someone a race pimp?

*Jeapordy theme*

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I’m thinking black female with large chip on shoulder.

Bmore on February 1, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Well, you could be right, since he/she didn’t respond to me. Maybe black female libertarian? We may never know…

Moose Drool on February 1, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Libfree, some conservatives use the same plantation language when talking about American Jews, who are also a monolithic Democrat voting bloc, though not quite as monolithic as American blacks. Is that also “racist”?

I guess we should instead be saying that voting for Democrats is like the Babylonian Exile. Then we could also be accused of anti-Semitism.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Republicans stood for abolition. [...]
ZK on February 1, 2012 at 6:03 PM

And black voters supported Republicans almost unanimously until FDR. Were they on a “plantation” back then? They must’ve been. The Great Emancipator was on record saying some horrible things about black people. He even advocated shipping all freed blacks back to Liberia. But I guess you’re only on a plantation if you make a deal for advancement with Democrats or something. =

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Who knows how history would’ve happened if history hadn’t happened the way it happened.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Throw in ‘Or something…’

That way people won’t think you’re an imbecile…

BigWyo on February 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Its precisely the point Carissima Flora Dearest. The point I was making is that black people weren’t “fooled” into supporting Democrats they (correctly) believed that they could exert the most pressure on Democrats to pass the CRM because of the Kennedy Administration’s lip service support of the bill. They struck when the iron was hot and it didn’t *matter* that the people who passed and signed the bill were racist. They were concerned with ending southern Jim Crow, they were concerned with ending second class citizenship, they were concerned with not being threatened by the KKK and lynched for registering people to vote. They didn’t care what *words* people used in the 1960s, they cared about fricking surviving!

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Strike when the iron was hot? The bill was proposed under Eisehower, and LBJ fought it tooth and nail, eventually allowing a watered down bill that was essentially useless.

Why didn’t blacks strike then?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Counterfactual question. We have no clue what would’ve happened if LBJ hadn’t used every dirty trick in the political book to push the CRM and VRAs through Congress. No doubt activists would’ve abandoned Democrats in the next election cycle and concentrated on getting support from Republicans. Who knows how history would’ve happened if history hadn’t happened the way it happened.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:47 PM

That’s not what I was asking. I don’t care about LBJ. I’m asking which of those 8 Presidents I named were “racist at heart,” since you clearly have the ability to gaze into a man’s heart and assess its contents.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Looks to me like Moran is a white boy. What does he know about what or who represents blacks? He probably think that Bill Clinton, the first black president, who got a BJ and a damp cigar in his office from a 21 year old female employee, who lied to a federal court, who wagged that finger (isn’t that racist?) and lied to the American public, and who signed the biggest welfare reform in history and was impeached by Congress represents blacks.

WestTexasBirdDog on February 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Let me get this straight. A WHITE Democrat gets to say that a BLACK Congressman ‘is not representative of other Afro-Americans’?

When the hell did Moran suddenly become expert on Black Americans? Or is the problem simply that West won’t kiss Moran’s white ass?

GarandFan on February 1, 2012 at 6:51 PM

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I’ve got you news for you, we’ve read your handbook too.

“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules…”

Flora Duh on February 1, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Bishop, can you explain to me why calling someone an Uncle Tom is worse than calling someone a race pimp?

*Jeapordy theme*

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Why do you need any explanation for that? It’s who they are, it’s what they do.

Are you saying the term “pimp” has some racial connotation?

You know what, you’re as obsessed with race as your progressive buddies are. Everything revolves around race.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Also, I love that libfree is admitting that a politician’s character doesn’t matter as long as said politician can advance your agenda. I’m sure you’ll be consistent and apply this to GOP politicians.

As long as they get into office and fulfill the expectations of their base (repeal O-Care, lower taxes, get rid of some of the more cumbrous and useless bureaucracies that plague DC), it doesn’t matter if they’re a sneering, hateful racist.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I love how the picture talks about “respect for the president”, and we’re talking about West, heh.

LtGenRob on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Strike when the iron was hot? The bill was proposed under Eisehower, and LBJ fought it tooth and nail, eventually allowing a watered down bill that was essentially useless.

Why didn’t blacks strike then?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Well now you’re just showing your total ignorance of American history. Black people were organizing and agitating for their freedom the entire time. The question is when national level politicians felt enough pressure for them to recognize those struggles. Read a fricking book man, you’re making yourself look like a fool.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Does anyone understand the lib’s point?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:41 PM

That smoking weed (and voting Democrat) is bad for your brain.

This guy’s more pissed off at a bunch of lies then he about about the plain truth.

Kingfisher on February 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Er, FDR did not desegregate the military.

Sorry, he desegregated federal military plants, like the d.c. naval yard.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:35 PM

LOL, you tossed out a claim and hope you wouldn’t called on it. In reality, FDR promised to desegregate the military in 1942, but never followed through. It took until Harry Truman did it in 1948.

FDR’s Executive Order 8002 desegregated military contractors, and was issued before the US got into World War 2.

But FDR also refused to segregate the CCC and the WPA as President. He also threw some 120,000 Japanese and Japanese-Americans into internment camps. And didn’t release them out of fear that he would lose re-election to a 4th term.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Also, I love that libfree is admitting that a politician’s character doesn’t matter as long as said politician can advance your agenda.

Newt supporter says what?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Bishop, can you explain to me why calling someone an Uncle Tom is worse than calling someone a race pimp?

*Jeapordy theme*

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Because “race pimp” doesn’t have a distinct connotation of skin color, or were you under the impression that “House Negr0″ was coined to describe Asian slaves working on southern plantations pre-Civi1 War?

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Read a fricking book man, you’re making yourself look like a fool.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

You first. Darwin is correct.

But then, you believe everything the Democrats tell you.

Kingfisher on February 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Liberals, race card, don’t leave home with out it.

Bmore on February 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Are you saying the term “pimp” has some racial connotation?

You know what, you’re as obsessed with race as your progressive buddies are. Everything revolves around race.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Don’t even bother. EVERYTHING is a dog whistle.

It’s pretty much like this: “I think Republicans are racist. Republicans can’t prove that they aren’t racist. Therefore, I am correct in my supposition that Republicans are racist.”

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Well now you’re just showing your total ignorance of American history. Black people were organizing and agitating for their freedom the entire time. The question is when national level politicians felt enough pressure for them to recognize those struggles. Read a fricking book man, you’re making yourself look like a fool.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

I’d call proposing the CRA recognizing those struggles. Wouldn’t you? It’s certainly at the national level … that’s one of your criteria.

Why didn’t they pressure democrats then?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Also, I love that libfree is admitting that a politician’s character doesn’t matter as long as said politician can advance your agenda.

And yes, when you’re being hunted and killed by the KKK, when you can’t use a public restroom because there are none slated for “colored,” when whistling at a white girl can get you killed? You are willing to make some compromises. How *dare* black people. I mean, really? It wasn’t *so* bad. Couldn’t they have waited until the development of political correctness to get their full citizenship rights recognizes. So *impatient* It had only been 100 years since slavery, how fast did expect things to happen in this country? Over night?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Afraid not. He doesn’t even know it wasn’t the GOP who fathered the KKK, it was the good old Democrat party.

I wonder how he eplains it were Lincoln who freed the slaves.

tarpon on February 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

You’re hating on me for mixing up my facts and using google to double check? Uh….OK.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Pssst the point is you are not near as learned as you think you are. You speak here as if you think are you are all knowing. That is why I “hate ” on you…oh and for the fact that you have been bought.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

I’d call proposing the CRA recognizing those struggles. Wouldn’t you?

How odd….it didn’t pass.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Pretty much. It’s obsessed with race so it must project it’s racism onto others to pretend it’s not racist.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

you’re making yourself look like a fool.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

*snort*

BigWyo on February 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Black people voted Dem in the 50s because FDR threw us a bone by desegregating the military and there were a few other minor things he did. But either party was a Hobson’s choice until the 1960s.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Fail on factual basis – the military started being integrated during WW2 on the battlefront by General Eisenhour’s orders – FDR had nothing to do with it. Official desegregation of the military was signed by Truman – not FDR, but integration moved very slowly until the Korean War – during which President Eisenhour (R) ordered integration of units in battle.
The first real breakthrough in school desegregation resulted from President Eisenhour (R) sending federal troops to Little Rock to protect black students.
Perhaps if you understood the true facts of history, you might stop attacking the people who are actually trying to help blacks get ahead instead of spouting the lib/Dem party line that wants to keep blacks dependent on government handouts. There are good reasons why MLK was registered as a Republican.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

I am outraged that you would … eh, what’s that? Oh, abolition. Never mind…
KS Rex on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I’m a pretty good expert at sarcasm myself, and usually can spot it right at the start.
But YOU had me ‘hooked’ at the beginning, till I got to that last line. : )

listens2glenn on February 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

The phrase “race pimp” doesn’t have any “racial” connotation. Really. the phrase “race pimp,” so it has the word pimp in it. But there’s that other word, what is it? It starts with an “r” but we know its not “race.” What the word other than pimp thats in the phrase “race pimp” you guys? It escapes me.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Newt supporter says what?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM

I’m not the one acting as the morality police, drumming people out of the GOP because of their personal failings.

Answer the question. Will you be consistent with your view of LBJ and apply it to GOP politicians? If we feel “this is our only chance” to actually turn the country around and get actual conservative reforms passed, you’d be perfectly fine with us nominating and electing a known racist, right?

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Are you actually going to sit (or stand or whatever) where you are and assert that conservatives don’t call blacks who loyally support Democrats as being “on a plantation.” Are you actually going to say that? I don’t know how any thinking person can take you seriously after that. No one is fooled.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:32 PM

CNN

Singer Harry Belafonte on Tuesday refused to back down from his remarks last week likening Secretary of State Colin Powell to a house slave in the Bush administration, saying his problems are not with the man but with the policies Powell is supporting.

-snip-

In an interview on San Diego radio station KFMB-AM last Tuesday, Belafonte compared Powell to a plantation slave who moves into the slave owner’s house and says only things that will please his master.

“There’s an old saying,” Belafonte said in that interview. “In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and there were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master … exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him.”

-snip-

Belafonte said he was happy to have the chance to put his remarks in context but said he doesn’t regret making them.

“This was never meant to be a personal attack on Colin Powell’s character,” he said. “What it was meant to be was an attack on policy, and the reference, the metaphor used about slavery is part of my personal feeling that plantations exist all over America.”

-snip-

Belafonte said his views also apply to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, although, he said, he has never heard her step out of line with the administration’s views.

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Ouch that left a mark.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

There are good reasons why MLK was registered as a Republican.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM

I’m quite aware of the longstanding relationship between black voters and the Republican party.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Read a fricking book man, you’re making yourself look like a fool.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:54 PM

What books do you read?

Del Dolemonte on February 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

How odd….it didn’t pass.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Well, where was this “pressure” blacks placed on democrats or whatver you’re babbling about? If the iron was hot under Eisenhower, why didn’t blacks rise up and demand it’s passage then?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Black people voted Dem in the 50s because FDR threw us a bone by desegregating the military
libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Was that in one of them books you read?

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Bought.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

The phrase “race pimp” doesn’t have any “racial” connotation. Really. the phrase “race pimp,” so it has the word pimp in it. But there’s that other word, what is it? It starts with an “r” but we know its not “race.” What the word other than pimp thats in the phrase “race pimp” you guys? It escapes me.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

It has a racial connotation, but it doesn’t have a particular racist connotation that pertains to one race and only one race. You can be an Asian race pimp or a white race pimp.

White supremacists are white race pimps, and they are correctly marginalized and shunned in polite society. Sharpton/Jackson are black race pimps, and they are given a national soap box/treated as authorities.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

And yes, when you’re being hunted and killed by the KKK, when you can’t use a public restroom because there are none slated for “colored,” when whistling at a white girl can get you killed? You are willing to make some compromises. How *dare* black people. I mean, really? It wasn’t *so* bad. Couldn’t they have waited until the development of political correctness to get their full citizenship rights recognizes. So *impatient* It had only been 100 years since slavery, how fast did expect things to happen in this country? Over night?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM

And ALL of what you say here happened in the Democrat controlled southern states. It was not the same in Republican controlled northern states. Think about it.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Answer the question. Will you be consistent with your view of LBJ and apply it to GOP politicians? If we feel “this is our only chance” to actually turn the country around and get actual conservative reforms passed, you’d be perfectly fine with us nominating and electing a known racist, right?

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

So you’re comparing the “plight” of American conservatives to African Americans before the passage of the CRA and the VRA? Wow……….

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Ouch that left a mark.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Well, not really..I was waiting for likspittleordie to address that post…seems to have not seen it..

or something…

BigWyo on February 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

The phrase “race pimp” doesn’t have any “racial” connotation. Really. the phrase “race pimp,” so it has the word pimp in it. But there’s that other word, what is it? It starts with an “r” but we know its not “race.” What the word other than pimp thats in the phrase “race pimp” you guys? It escapes me.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

What the hell are you babbling about now? Are you saying it’s now racist to say “race”?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

The phrase “race pimp” doesn’t have any “racial” connotation. Really. the phrase “race pimp,” so it has the word pimp in it. But there’s that other word, what is it? It starts with an “r” but we know its not “race.” What the word other than pimp thats in the phrase “race pimp” you guys? It escapes me.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

The word you are looking for is “race”, a word which apparently only refers to black people. Or something.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

So you’re comparing the “plight” of American conservatives to African Americans before the passage of the CRA and the VRA? Wow……….

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Your comprehension skills are lacking. You went to college right?
Diploma mill?

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM

It was not the same in Republican controlled northern states. Think about it.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Oh honey….

http://encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2461.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Race_Riot_of_1919

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

I can list dozens and dozens of examples. Black families buying suburban homes in Detroit in the 1940s being firebombed by their “new neighbors.” Puhleeze.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM

And yes, when you’re being hunted and killed by the KKK, when you can’t use a public restroom because there are none slated for “colored,” when whistling at a white girl can get you killed? You are willing to make some compromises. How *dare* black people. I mean, really? It wasn’t *so* bad. Couldn’t they have waited until the development of political correctness to get their full citizenship rights recognizes. So *impatient* It had only been 100 years since slavery, how fast did expect things to happen in this country? Over night?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Look, libfree, I’m playing you a tune on the world’s tiniest violin. I even take requests. Do you have a favorite concerto?

So, in other words, it was a special one-time offer. Blacks are the only voting bloc in history allowed to completely ignore a politician’s character because they felt said politician was the fastest way to win the reforms they wanted. Everyone else can only petition for their beliefs if they elect morally outstanding, upright citizens. Awesome.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

This is hilarious. While liblikeanidiot is tilting at windmills, the majority of blacks are facing very serious problems.

-Black unemployment is at its highest in decades.
-Fewer black children are born in a traditional family and are more likely to commit crimes.
-Blacks are less likely to graduate high school and are not as likely to be prepared for college.

But, to liblikeamoron cares about that? Nooooo! The “real” problem is to stop us evil conservatives from using words like “slave” or “plantation” and to worship LBJ as if he single-handedly freed the slaves. Why, if we eliminated those eeeeeeeeviillll hate-words then life will be paradise!

Jim Moran is the rule, not the exception in the Democratic party. Allan West says it like it is and the libs can’t stand it.

So liblikeaDembutkisser, keep attacking those hate-words. In the meanwhile, the rest of the American people will do what we can to restore liberty to all people. We know you hate that because you’ll have to support yourself but liberty and responsibility are mutually inclusive.

Kingfisher on February 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

And thank heavens that, today, people can raise (and I think unnescessary) fuss about the racialist politics of conservatives.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 6:45 PM

You love to throw out your unsubstantiated and baseless accusations.

How about actually proving that Conservatives are racist…..

Can you actually back up any of the bullsh!t you are posting????

…and while you are at it…maybe you can explain why if democrats are so “concerned about race”…that they support such blatant anti-semitism in their party.
Was the Holocaust not enough of a massacre for you libs to be concerned about “their oppression”??????

Baxter Greene on February 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Wow responding to the ruthless violence perpetrated against black people for the mere sin of wanting full citizenship with sarcasm and violin jokes. And, weirdly, you’re giving lectures on character.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

She’s furiously trying to figure out how to escape the MC Escher debate point she built around herself, every staircase leading to nowhere.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 7:09 PM

So you’re comparing the “plight” of American conservatives to African Americans before the passage of the CRA and the VRA? Wow……….

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Nope. I’m asking you to actually be consistent in your beliefs, which is obviously incredibly difficult for you. So far, you haven’t been able to answer a single question that I’ve posed to you.

Like every other liberal, if you didn’t have double standards, you wouldn’t have any standards at all.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

It was not the same in Republican controlled northern states. Think about it.

dentarthurdent on February 1, 2012 at 7:02 PM

Oh honey….

http://encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/2461.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Race_Riot_of_1919

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

I can list dozens and dozens of examples. Black families buying suburban homes in Detroit in the 1940s being firebombed by their “new neighbors.” Puhleeze.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:06 PM

So it was the same?/sarc

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:10 PM

Kingfisher on February 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

So much energy wasted by the types like Libfree. You have to wonder what their real motives are. It is certainly not raising the “community”.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:12 PM

What the hell are you babbling about now? Are you saying it’s now racist to say “race”?

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Of course, because everybody knows those redneck NASCAR fans are the biggest racists of all. And what do they do at a NASCAR event?

Race!

-Liberal Logic 101

Flora Duh on February 1, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Wow responding to the ruthless violence perpetrated against black people for the mere sin of wanting full citizenship with sarcasm and violin jokes. And, weirdly, you’re giving lectures on character.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

If all you have is faux outrage, then yes, I’m going to treat you like a sideshow act and mock you. If you can’t actually engage in this debate by answering a question directly then you should expect little more than snark.

But if all you have are more sob stories, I have plenty more sarcastic Youtube clips I can post.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:00 PM

The Republicans are still working on a big tent. The Dems had former Democratic Senator Zell Miller for years. Check the dates, not long ago.

I think there can be such a thing as a conservative black person in the Republican Party.

Let us just hope that we are not nominating a liberal white man.

IlikedAUH2O on February 1, 2012 at 7:12 PM

I suggest that this white-haired, pink-heinie drunk say it to West’s face, then he’ll see what’s meant by get the hell out of the U.S. How about it, tough guy Moran?

EMD on February 1, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Shut up Moran, you blithering idiot.

rplat on February 1, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Wow responding to the ruthless violence perpetrated against black people for the mere sin of wanting full citizenship with sarcasm and violin jokes. And, weirdly, you’re giving lectures on character.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

What do you have to say about the violence perpetrated against whites by blacks, that’s going on right now in numbers that make’s the KKK look like pikers? Any thoughts on that?

lowandslow on February 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Jim Moran is not representitive of rational people.

Mr. Grump on February 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:07 PM

The two situations aren’t comparable.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

We better develop and support and love conservative nonwhites. Demographics is destiny. The illegals are probably not going anywhere.

IlikedAUH2O on February 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Why don’t working class whites see how they are used by the GOP? Why don’t conservatives ever ask that question?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Do you mean how they tell us what they think we want to hear every time an election rolls around? Promise us stuff they never deliver? Think we’re too stupid to figure it out? That question has been asked numerous times, our answer is- TeaParty? What are you doing to break away? You aren’t stuck there, there are a lot of black americans in the TeaParty who want the same thing any other working class american wants. You would be welcomed with open arms. The only thing you have to believe is that government is not the answer to our problems, government causes our problems.

Night Owl on February 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

What do you have to say about the violence perpetrated against whites by blacks, that’s going on right now in numbers that make’s the KKK look like pikers? Any thoughts on that?

lowandslow on February 1, 2012 at 7:14 PM

Is that you Ron Paul?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Allen West is an American Patriot who happens to be black-so of course he isn’t representative of ‘African-Americans’.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 1, 2012 at 7:17 PM

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I grew up Jewish and conservative in Nation of Islam territory.
I know a thing or two about what it’s like to be on the receiving end of ‘racism’.

annoyinglittletwerp on February 1, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Wow responding to the ruthless violence perpetrated against black people for the mere sin of wanting full citizenship with sarcasm and violin jokes. And, weirdly, you’re giving lectures on character.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Not even Dr. Seuss could dream up the little fantasies that pop into your mind.

If the KKK bothers you so much then why didn’t blacks demand an apology from Robert Byrd? Oh, sorry, I used “KKK” now you’ll never calm down!

Why does every conversation with libdumb remind me of the Three Stooges skit of “Niagara Falls?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yJBhzMWJCc

Kingfisher on February 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Is that you Ron Paul?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Are you denying it? What world do you live in? Are you that clueless about what is going on in this nation or living in denial? As much as the press tries to whitewash it, I could post literally hundreds of links showing black on white violence. What do you have to say about that? Try something different then inferring to me as a racist by some Ron Paul crack.

lowandslow on February 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM

Flora Duh on February 1, 2012 at 6:08 PM

Oh yeahhh !?? Well …uhhh.. we got the first afrikan-american precedent, so you are the more racister racist you rethuglikkkan racist (nyeh,nyeh)

cableguy615 on February 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

^^brainfreeanddead

cableguy615 on February 1, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Is that you Ron Paul?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM

I see someone is truly not serious about dealing with society’s ills. What is your true motive? Simplistic childish agitation ? Is that it? Well a pat on the back to ya troll.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

The two situations aren’t comparable.

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:15 PM

That doesn’t answer the question. Stop deflecting.

Is that you Ron Paul?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM

LMAO at you lecturing me about civil discourse when all you have in your quiver is unfunny snark.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Is that you Ron Paul?

libfreeordie on February 1, 2012 at 7:16 PM

LMAO at you lecturing me about civil discourse when all you have in your quiver is unfunny snark.

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Ouch.Again.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Here, I’ll even put all of my questions in one post to make it easy for you:

No, it’s not about what is “OK.” It’s about what is and isn’t racist.

Saying liberals want to destroy America isn’t racist. Saying someone isn’t “authentically” black is overt racism.

Weren’t you talking about rooting out racism, libfree? Come on, frog march Moran out of the movement. This is quite a bit louder than a “dog whistle.” You don’t need the special GOP decoder ring to understand Moran’s racism.

If you can tell who is a “racist at heart,” as with LBJ, which of our last 8 Presidents were racists? Which weren’t?

Is it still racist when conservatives use the EXACT SAME plantation language when talking about other monolithic Dem voting blocs, such as American Jews and gays?

If the content of LBJ’s character didn’t matter in lieu of the incredible political necessity of passing the CRA/VRA, why can’t every other group elect awful racists as long as they will work pragmatically to further their political goals? Where exactly is the line for “you must be this oppressed” to elect someone who is a terrible person/who hates your guts?

Good Solid B-Plus on February 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

over 90% of blacks voted against Allen West and party…
Blacks don’t feel welcomed in the republikkkan party.
only a certain type of blacks are welcomed into the party if you know what I mean….

liberal4life on February 1, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Are you serious? You rail against and then practice racism in the same comment?

Are you proud of this? This is not how we move past “uneasy” conversations. This is how you CREATE them.

I don’t know why I’m surprised by your comment, but I am. For some reason I expected better.

Esthier on February 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM

So like all white Reps are representative of all whites? Like all female Reps are representative of all females? Like all Reps on the take are representative of all reps on the take? Wait, I got it–like Anthony Weiner is representative of all Democrats? Duh!!

stukinIL4now on February 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Worth repeating. I notice our troll covers its eyes when this graces the screen. HT Del.

Singer Harry Belafonte on Tuesday refused to back down from his remarks last week likening Secretary of State Colin Powell to a house slave in the Bush administration, saying his problems are not with the man but with the policies Powell is supporting.

-snip-

In an interview on San Diego radio station KFMB-AM last Tuesday, Belafonte compared Powell to a plantation slave who moves into the slave owner’s house and says only things that will please his master.

“There’s an old saying,” Belafonte said in that interview. “In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and there were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master … exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him.”

-snip-

Belafonte said he was happy to have the chance to put his remarks in context but said he doesn’t regret making them.

“This was never meant to be a personal attack on Colin Powell’s character,” he said. “What it was meant to be was an attack on policy, and the reference, the metaphor used about slavery is part of my personal feeling that plantations exist all over America.”

-snip-

Belafonte said his views also apply to National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, although, he said, he has never heard her step out of line with the administration’s views.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:26 PM

only a certain type of blacks are welcomed into the party if you know what I mean….

liberal4life on February 1, 2012 at 5:34 PM

don’t dare stray right?

you’re bought. what a pathetic excuse for a man.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Comment pages: 1 2 3 4