Arizona next to tackle PEU reform?

posted at 9:15 am on February 1, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

If you liked the show in Madison a year ago, start packing your bags for Phoenix — and be sure to get a long-term hotel room.  Arizona will follow Wisconsin’s lead in public-employee union reform as a means to tackle their pension overhang and budget issues, but Republicans in control of the legislature plan to go much farther than Scott Walker (h/t ExJon):

Brahm Resnik gives a rundown of the proposal for AZ Central:

The bills would:

-Make it illegal for government bodies to collectively bargain with employee groups. Public safety unions would be included in the ban.

–End the practice of automatic payroll deductions for union dues.

–Ban compensation of public employees for union work.

Wisconsin’s collective bargaining law enacted last year made unions effectively irrelevant by limiting issues that could be bargained by a government and an employee group. Arizona’s bills would do away with collective bargaining entirely and also go beyond Wisconsin law by including public safety unions.

Coupled with Gov. Jan Brewer’s plan to do away with civil-service protections  for state employees, the new legislation could make Arizona ground zero for union protests during this election year.

This could be just an opening position for Republican legislators, who represent a strongly right-to-work state and will have more political support for some kind of reform than Republicans did in Wisconsin.  They might be offering the worst-case scenario to unions in order to force some concessions more along the lines of what took place in Wisconsin.  If not, they are setting themselves up for a big, nasty fight in the middle of an election year.

But that has interesting consequences elsewhere, too.  Now that Arizona has dropped this bombshell, unions will want to spend as much money and time as possible in defeating it.  That will, however, require a diversion of increasingly scarce resources from elsewhere — perhaps from Wisconsin, where the Walker recall has begun to bog down in majority-approval ratings for Wisconsin’s reforming governor.  It might also mean spending less time and money organizing for the presidential election this fall, as it certainly will in Arizona.  Big Labor has plenty of cash for one big fight, but three simultaneously?  And if the money runs low, they’re going to shift resources to their largest existential threat.


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i wonder if AZ will have the same kind of uprising or not. interesting

Drunk Report on February 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Arizona is an open carry state. Be careful how you decide to protest, PU thugs.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Nothing to wake up the democratic base in Arizona of all places. Continue GOP.

Uppereastside on February 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Awesome!

gator70 on February 1, 2012 at 9:20 AM

God’s speed, Jan Brewer.

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 9:20 AM

I like it!

More racist finger pointing.

Darksean on February 1, 2012 at 9:24 AM

If Arizona only had an ocean, I’d be there in a second.

dirtseller on February 1, 2012 at 9:25 AM

Arizona is an open carry state. Be careful how you decide to protest, PU thugs.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM

So was Wisconsin.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

hahahahaha *snort* hahahaha

You go, AZ! We’re all tired of PEUs picking our pockets and daring us to do something about it.

SteveInRTP on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

I’m with Ed–this is a starting offer, and the bill will get watered down somewhat. I’m betting the AZ republicans would like to end up with something similar to WI, but negotiations being what they are, this is where they need to start.

Good luck, Arizona!

Mohonri on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Break out the pooper scoopers.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Now if we can only get 5 or 6 more states to step up and divide the fire that the unions can bring.

Look for unions,ACLU,NLRB,DOJ and everything else the WH can throw at them to be put into play.

CommentGuy on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

This is going to be an entertaining year.

cozmo on February 1, 2012 at 9:29 AM

More states need to do this.
Cloward/Piven them to poverty.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 9:30 AM

So was Wisconsin.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

But that was Wisconsin (with all due respect). This is Arizona.

cozmo on February 1, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Now we get to see the theoretical danger of fighting a three-front way. :)

itsspideyman on February 1, 2012 at 9:31 AM

So was Wisconsin.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Gaza North is a conceal carry state (technical issues of open carry/unloaded open carry notwithstanding). AZ is wide open, have gun for all to see place. In fact I take great joy watching my fellow gun nuts stride into The Horny Toad packing stainless heat.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:31 AM

war :(

itsspideyman on February 1, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I can hear heads exploding from my house.

docflash on February 1, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Every Republican state should jump on board and do the same immediately. The result will be that the bankrupt Democrat states will realise that this is their one and only opportunity to tackle their worst financial problem (public service entitlements) and they`ll be able to do it under the cover of following what everyone else is doing.

gozzak on February 1, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Oh, if only Chris Christie could do something of the sort in New Jersey… Not with out gerrymandered-to-rigidity legislature, that’s for sure.

Archivarix on February 1, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Great news. Gov Jan Brewer is one tough lady. Yes, indeed we need more states to step up now, become Right-to-Work states, and defang the unions.

Wendy on February 1, 2012 at 9:37 AM

Good strategy … divide and conquer. The more states attempting reform the better.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 9:38 AM

Sweet!

suzyque on February 1, 2012 at 9:38 AM

gozzak on February 1, 2012 at 9:35 AM

Except I get the feeling democrat bankrupt states don’t want to tackle their financial problems.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Gaza North is a conceal carry state (technical issues of open carry/unloaded open carry notwithstanding). AZ is wide open, have gun for all to see place. In fact I take great joy watching my fellow gun nuts stride into The Horny Toad packing stainless heat.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:31 AM

Thats true. No one open carries in Wis, but open carry in the West is almost part of the heritage in some areas.

*got my CCP a couple weeks ago* : )

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM

It is time to take Big Labor out. They have no business in government and the private sector doesn’t want them.

cartooner on February 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Holy crap was that video report loaded with evil-sounding buzzwords. Kudos to that senator to stand up to such pointed language and half-truths from both his opponent and the “moderator”.

Mord on February 1, 2012 at 9:40 AM

C’mon down fellow HA, we got room for you :)

cmsinaz on February 1, 2012 at 9:40 AM

One significant difference. AZ is a right-to-work state. WI is not.

Happy Nomad on February 1, 2012 at 9:42 AM

So was Wisconsin.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Wisconsin only went to conceal carry on November 1st, long after the protests in Madison.

Side note: Last night, a guy in Aldi’s supermarket in the inner city of Milwaukee is a victim of an armed robbery with two guys with shotguns.

Oh wait!

He had a conceal carry permit.

And a gun.

And the two punks, walking away with his life along with the clerk.

Oh, and by the way, the store had a “No guns allowed” sign posted.

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Every Republican state should jump on board and do the same immediately. The result will be that the bankrupt Democrat states will realise that this is their one and only opportunity to tackle their worst financial problem (public service entitlements) and they`ll be able to do it under the cover of following what everyone else is doing.

gozzak on February 1, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I agree! Every state should strike while the fire’s hot!

search4truth on February 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM

s/b

And shot the two punks,

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 9:44 AM

AZ is wide open, have gun for all to see place. In fact I take great joy watching my fellow gun nuts stride into The Horny Toad packing stainless heat.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:31 AM

You do not need a permit for concealed carry here either.

Kaffa on February 1, 2012 at 9:49 AM

I agree! Every state should strike while the fire’s hot!

search4truth on February 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Actually, that’s “strike while the iron is hot”, as in blacksmith, forge, et al. :)

But yeah. We need a national “right-to-work” law.

TKindred on February 1, 2012 at 9:49 AM

You do not need a permit for concealed carry here either.

Kaffa on February 1, 2012 at 9:49 AM

Which is cool in so many ways. I just wish Minnesota had open carry, not that I would in most situations.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:51 AM

*got my CCP a couple weeks ago* : )

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM

You’ve entered a better world, the world of pistol-packing gun nut clingers.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:54 AM

Dudes…Im SO moving to Arizona.

MooCowBang on February 1, 2012 at 9:55 AM

And shot the two punks,

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Thank you WisRich, this crowd loves a story with a happy ending.

DanMan on February 1, 2012 at 9:55 AM

I’ll never understand how union supporters can say they stand for workers rights yet have no problems with unions forcing to people to join if they want to work.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 9:56 AM

So what adult diaper companies should we buy stock in?

KOOLAID2 on February 1, 2012 at 9:59 AM

If only Republicans would fight this strongly everywhere…

HopeHeFails on February 1, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Except I get the feeling democrat bankrupt states don’t want to tackle their financial problems.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 9:39 AM

Welcome to my world. Thanks Gov Quinn.

illinoisdrummerboy on February 1, 2012 at 10:00 AM

My NH legislature though overwhelmingly Republican since 2010, is full of RINOs who lack the stones to over ride the Democrat Governor’s veto on labor and spending issues.

philw1776 on February 1, 2012 at 10:04 AM

I’ll never understand how union supporters can say they stand for workers rights yet have no problems with unions forcing to people to join if they want to work.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 9:56 AM

I’ll take “Glaring examples of liberal hypocrisy for $1000 Alex”.

Tim Zank on February 1, 2012 at 10:05 AM

We solved this in Texas by not having any union members in the government.

You don’t have to solve problems you don’t create in the first place.

NoDonkey on February 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Public employee unions are the shiv in this nations kidney.

Speakup on February 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Customer Stops Grocery Store Robbery By Shooting Suspect, Police Say The Dems in Milwaukee will be up in arms over this for sure.

Logboy on February 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Kills me when the Cops and Fireman allow themselves to be lumped into the whole mess of AFSCME. The reformers don’t want to mess with us in particular, they want the 425lb POS sitting in the DMV that goes on lay up for 9 months because their toe hurts that treats you like sh-t when you go there to renew your plates.

If they take care of them, they’ll be plenty for the cops and firemen. The guys who deserve it.

LtT26 on February 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM

I think it’s dumb politically for conservatives to include police and fire fighter with these reforms. The biggest single reason why these reforms were successful in Wisconsin but not Ohio is that these groups were spared.

First take out the low hanging fruit, then tackle the groups that garner a lot of public sympathy and respect.

BradTank on February 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM

It might also mean spending less time and money organizing for the presidential election this fall, as it certainly will in Arizona.

Sweet. More states, please.

Jack Kennedy pushed to make it legal for PEU’s to organize nation-wide when he saw how much money they sent to Dem candidates in Wisconsin, and they have been funding D’s ever since. This is a brilliant way to divert that cash away from the Dhimms.

Go, Jan, go!!!1!

iurockhead on February 1, 2012 at 10:25 AM

“then tackle the groups that garner a lot of public sympathy and respect”

Care to expand on that?

LtT26 on February 1, 2012 at 10:26 AM

-Make it illegal for government bodies to collectively bargain with employee groups. Public safety unions would be included in the ban.

Not sure if that would be legal. Also not compensating for union work, would that jeopardize compensating for charitable work? Here in Florida you’re allowed I think 1 hour per week to work for a charity.

Zaggs on February 1, 2012 at 10:28 AM

…bankrupt Democrat states will … be able to do it under the cover of following what everyone else is doing.

gozzak on February 1, 2012 at 9:35 AM

I think you’re on to something here. It’s the only way we would ever get serious reform nationwide, and we just might get enough momentum to make it happen.

jwolf on February 1, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Good for them!
Public employees shouldn’t be allowed to unionize. There is no true adversarial relationship such as there is in the private sector with workers vs management. In PEUs you have one set of government employees negotiating with another set of government employees with taxpayer money. And the unions spend gobs of money to elect the people they negotiate with.

Government work was never supposed to be lucrative. What you missed in pay and benefits was made up by having ‘job security’. Now, government employees are higher paid than in the private sector.
it’s insane!

Dexter_Alarius on February 1, 2012 at 10:37 AM

You’ve entered a better world, the world of pistol-packing gun nut clingers.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:54 AM

The irony to you, sir, is virtually 100% of everyone I know who holds a CCP/CHL are some of the sanest people you’ll ever meet.

Ever had a handgun stuck in your face? Personally, I’ll take my weapon of choice over a cell phone.

VietVet_Dave on February 1, 2012 at 10:38 AM

As a former near life-long Arizona resident (I can hardly wait to move back), the demographics have changed dramatically as interlopers and refugees from the Leftist Northeast/Midwest and California of course, it’s heartening to see that Gov. Jan Brewer (a breath of fresh air since Hillary’s BFF Nappy Janet was tossed out of the State) that Democrats, with peculiar paraphilias have been chased from office.
In other words, Arizona is finally returning to its roots: FREEDOM!
Members of my family have endured the initial low wages and worked their way to the top sans labor union thugs. It can be done.
At one point, a State BIG Labor representative came into MY “AO” (office) and declared that HE was going to unionize MY employees. I told him in no uncertain terms that he had better be prepared to hire any and all of my staff who fell for his line of Bravo Sierra. He was speechless and never came back.
It’s the Wild West Way: Come BIG, or stay home.
It’s called Arizona Buck ‘em.
~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 1, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Also not compensating for union work, would that jeopardize compensating for charitable work? Here in Florida you’re allowed I think 1 hour per week to work for a charity.

Zaggs on February 1, 2012 at 10:28 AM

I admit I don’t understand you. How is union work charitable? Anyway, here in Illinois there have been several cases of full-time union officials who were hired by state or local government for some short term position — but then the govt paid the full tab for their union retirement thanks to an old state law. I am guessing that is what they are trying to prohibit (among other things) down in AZ.

jwolf on February 1, 2012 at 10:41 AM

SWEET! This can only mean CA is next!!

Cue Disney music…When you wish upon a star.

sdbatboy on February 1, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Dudes…Im SO moving to Arizona.

MooCowBang on February 1, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Come on down, the weather’s fine (72 degrees and sunny).

AZCoyote on February 1, 2012 at 10:43 AM

I think it’s dumb politically for conservatives to include police and fire fighter with these reforms. The biggest single reason why these reforms were successful in Wisconsin but not Ohio is that these groups were spared.

First take out the low hanging fruit, then tackle the groups that garner a lot of public sympathy and respect.

BradTank on February 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Agreed. Once the non-emergency service reforms are put in place, the pressure to include the police and fire comes organically. It’s a natural progression wich might take a few years from both the right and the left.

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Ever had a handgun stuck in your face? Personally, I’ll take my weapon of choice over a cell phone.

VietVet_Dave on February 1, 2012 at 10:38 AM

You betcha … and knives clubs, ball bats, etc., Arizona has always been an “open carry” State.
The vast majority of Arizonans do not openly carry thus the bad guys are always unsure of just who will survive the car-jacking, drive-by shootings, robberies, home invasions, etc. There is nothing like the sound of racking a round into a 12 gauge pump shotgun. Makes the bad guys “soil” themselves.
A StreetSweeper, with the first round being “dragon’s breath”, is usually sufficient.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on February 1, 2012 at 10:46 AM

I’m with Ed–this is a starting offer, and the bill will get watered down somewhat. I’m betting the AZ republicans would like to end up with something similar to WI, but negotiations being what they are, this is where they need to start.

Good luck, Arizona!

Mohonri on February 1, 2012 at 9:27 AM

Yep, smart negotiating, propose some throwaways up front. It makes the democratics feel like they got something, and gives them cover if they really are in favor of reform.

slickwillie2001 on February 1, 2012 at 10:52 AM

I admit I don’t understand you. How is union work charitable? Anyway, here in Illinois there have been several cases of full-time union officials who were hired by state or local government for some short term position — but then the govt paid the full tab for their union retirement thanks to an old state law. I am guessing that is what they are trying to prohibit (among other things) down in AZ.

jwolf

Sorry, not saying its charitable. But rather it would be the same administrative guideline of being compensated for work not relating to your job i.e charity work. Just betting there is one administrative rule that covers both charity and union work compensation rather than one rule for each.

Zaggs on February 1, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Jan Brewer: Wagging her finger at Barack again (since he is the face of unions)!

She’s got more balls than the whole of the GOP in Congress.

SouthernGent on February 1, 2012 at 10:57 AM

Is Jan Brewer married?

NoPain on February 1, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Oh wait!

He had a conceal carry permit.

And a gun.

And the two punks, walking away with his life along with the clerk.

Oh, and by the way, the store had a “No guns allowed” sign posted.

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Whats your point supposed to be?

You’re right about the time vs protest.
That said, it’s meaningless without the assumption that people would have pulled guns of the dipwads protesting.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:06 AM

Too late to get Brewer/West as “The Ticket?”

sdbatboy on February 1, 2012 at 11:12 AM

If only other Republicans could be like Jan…Mitt, are you listening?

right2bright on February 1, 2012 at 11:15 AM

Whats your point supposed to be?

You’re right about the time vs protest.
That said, it’s meaningless without the assumption that people would have pulled guns of the dipwads protesting.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:06 AM

It wasn’t suppose to be related. That’s why I said “side note”.

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Customer Stops Grocery Store Robbery By Shooting Suspect, Police Say The Dems in Milwaukee will be up in arms over this for sure.

Logboy on February 1, 2012 at 10:09 AM

Good luck to him. If HE was not being threatened, he will be charged.
One of the biggest issues addressed in my CCP class was liability. It’s ridiculous imo. I victim advocate lawyer can ruin your life.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I think it’s dumb politically for conservatives to include police and fire fighter with these reforms. The biggest single reason why these reforms were successful in Wisconsin but not Ohio is that these groups were spared.

First take out the low hanging fruit, then tackle the groups that garner a lot of public sympathy and respect.

BradTank on February 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM

The PD and FD unions are among the largest budgetary millstones for most states and municipalities. 20 years and out with 75-80% take home with lifetime healthcare, is completely unaffordable. You end up paying three people to fill one position. One active officer, and two retirees.

If you do not attack that part of the system, you weaken yourself fighting the other sectors.

Nathan_OH on February 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Arizona’s bills would do away with collective bargaining entirely and also go beyond Wisconsin law by including public safety unions.

Isn’t that where Kasich screwed up in Ohio? Throwing the cops and the firemen into the equation made it way too easy for the other side to demagogue the issue. That’s why Kasich lost.

Also, have the repubs in Arizona stopped to consider how a huge fight like this will affect the National elections? I hope these guys know what they’re doing.

Tomolena1 on February 1, 2012 at 11:19 AM

I understand that some unions may be important, but Public Employee Unions cannot be one of them. Electricians, as an example, undergo years of training, and as a result of the union, I probably don’t feel all that bad paying a large fee to have this type of work done on my house to ensure that it wont burn down or get somebody killed. PSE’s , on the other hand, do not exist for the betterment of a trade, they only exist to make sure the union collects dues, and promote inefficiency in the workplace, as unionized public service employees cannot be fired without an act of congress.(pun intended). This results in crappy customer service at the state level, crappy attitudes from state employees who are “overworked” and unfireable. Lets level the playing field as well, as I imagine most of these people would like their money back from all the democratic party ads their dues have been paying for.

D.Mockracy on February 1, 2012 at 11:19 AM

First take out the low hanging fruit, then tackle the groups that garner a lot of public sympathy and respect.

BradTank on February 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Agree…you may not have to even include the others because of the balance of potential threat of losing that leverage.

right2bright on February 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM

It wasn’t suppose to be related. That’s why I said “side note”.

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Thanks. I missed that. Just scanning the thread and replying before I should.:)

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:20 AM

Good luck to him. If HE was not being threatened, he will be charged.
One of the biggest issues addressed in my CCP class was liability. It’s ridiculous imo. I victim advocate lawyer can ruin your life.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Not quite, he can also stop the potential of someone else being shot or killed.

right2bright on February 1, 2012 at 11:22 AM

GO AZ !!!!

I need a PEU-free, low-tax state semi-close to CA to eventually retire to.

TX and AZ are high on my list

Tim_CA on February 1, 2012 at 11:23 AM

Isn’t that where Kasich screwed up in Ohio? Throwing the cops and the firemen into the equation made it way too easy for the other side to demagogue the issue. That’s why Kasich lost.

Also, have the repubs in Arizona stopped to consider how a huge fight like this will affect the National elections? I hope these guys know what they’re doing.

Tomolena1 on February 1, 2012 at 11:19 AM

No, Kasich screwed up by being a fool and a wimp.
He seemed to be blindsided by the fact that the Unions used the “no police for you” argument. He was a wimp because he did not want to call them out as liars, as the PEU reform was needed to keep from getting police and fire cut to the bone.

After the referendum passed, the municipalities started cutting staffing and hours. Had we had as much snow this year as last year I know that three towns near me would have burnt through their rainy day fund and a significant part of their parks’ budgets. The PEU reform in Ohio was the right approach, but it was carried out by a very unskilled politician.

Nathan_OH on February 1, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Brewer is…for this? Is this the same lady who was talking down people who were against tax hikes? This doesn’t make any sense on her part, but it’s good to hear.

Snow Soul on February 1, 2012 at 11:34 AM

I think it’s dumb politically for conservatives to include police and fire fighter with these reforms.
(snip)

First take out the low hanging fruit, then tackle the groups that garner a lot of public sympathy and respect.

BradTank on February 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Had you kept up with Arizona politics (specifically Phoenix/Maricopa County) over the years you would know that the Firefighters and Cops have had “union” protections for decades. Even a firefighter busted for cocaine use was allowed to stay on the team. A cop who killed a man who was not resisting was also allowed to remain on the payroll.
(I’ll resist the urge to name names)
There is a lot about the already ensconced “public sector” unions in Arizona about which only natives have a clue.
Just tryin’ ta help

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Karl Magnus on February 1, 2012 at 11:38 AM

“20 years and out with 75-80% take home with lifetime healthcare, is completely unaffordable”

I’d like you to show me who gets 20 and out at 75%…
Also free health care forever…we sure as —- don’t, and we’re the second or third largest Fire Department in the country (depending on who’s counting).

We contribute 9% to our pension fund…and it’s probably going to go up to 14. And know what? we’re gonna kick in…I find it offensive to be lumped in with those crybaby cheesehead teachers and loads that work in Wisconsin. They contributed nothing. NOTHING.

I just finished my 32nd year…every one of them in the ghetto, and I’ll be going the end of this year. You’ll never hear me be some Fire Department drama queen…but for those who are thinking about chopping us…my ‘ol Man (who also was a fireman) used to tell my Ma, “if you ever think someone is breaking in, call and tell them the basement’s on fire…they’ll be about 20 guys and 3 or 4 squad cars her in about 2 minutes”.

And he was right. Try getting that kind of service at the DMV.

LtT26 on February 1, 2012 at 11:42 AM

The next president needs to tackle the Federal public service unions.

SC.Charlie on February 1, 2012 at 11:48 AM

SWEET! This can only mean CA is next!!

Cue Disney music…When you wish upon a star.

sdbatboy on February 1, 2012 at 10:43 AM

Thanks for the laugh. I suggest that we sell California to the Mexico for $15 trillion and wipe out the national debt.

SC.Charlie on February 1, 2012 at 11:50 AM

You’ve entered a better world, the world of pistol-packing gun nut clingers.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:54 AM

YEEEEE HAAAAAWWW!….look out hobos..look out hippies!

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:51 AM

Dear Michigan:

Republicans hold the Governor’s mansion, the House, and the Senate. Please do this, post haste.

ConservativeLawStudent on February 1, 2012 at 11:54 AM

I’ll never understand how union supporters can say they stand for workers rights yet have no problems with unions forcing to people to join if they want to work.

darwin on February 1, 2012 at 9:56 AM

An even bigger hypocrisy is collective bargaining.
Do union members get to sit in and “collectively bargain” on the terms of salaries and benefits for the leaders of the unions?

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:55 AM

The next president needs to tackle the Federal public service unions.

SC.Charlie on February 1, 2012 at 11:48 AM

An executive order is all thats needed..but who has the guts for that.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:59 AM

If they take care of them, they’ll be plenty for the cops and firemen. The guys who deserve it.

LtT26 on February 1, 2012 at 10:18 AM

And THIS:

And he was right. Try getting that kind of service at the DMV.

LtT26 on February 1, 2012 at 11:42 AM

So you supported Pat C. and his cocaine use?
Good for you. I guess firefighters need a “pick-me-up” ocassionally.
/sarc
AFSCME is a bad joke. Been there, scene that.

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Karl Magnus on February 1, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Not quite, he can also stop the potential of someone else being shot or killed.

right2bright on February 1, 2012 at 11:22 AM

Thats true, but that is were the slimy lawyer comes in. If there was shooting going on, what you say is valid. If not…good luck.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 12:07 PM

They put the small State Senator far away from the camera at the corner of the table. They put the hulking big union functionary nearer the camera in the middle of the table.

Are they trying to tell us who has muscle?

njcommuter on February 1, 2012 at 12:10 PM

The PEU reform in Ohio was the right approach, but it was carried out by a very unskilled politician.

Nathan_OH on February 1, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I see. So the situation was a little more complicated than I was led to believe. Thanx.

Tomolena1 on February 1, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Nice! Indiana is about to formally pass Right to Work here. I expect the rest of the Rust Belt will follow in due time.

BritCarGuy on February 1, 2012 at 12:44 PM

For those with pushback on my suggestion that fire fighters and police being spared, I agree on the merits, but there is such a thing as being “dead right.”

If the entire reform fails (as it did in Ohio) what have you gained? You can count on this going to the ballot in front of AZ voters.

These problems aren’t going to be solved overnight, but if your making progress in a politically smart way, I call that a victory. As an example, I would ideally like a Flat tax, but that doesn’t mean I’m against say cutting income taxes within the current system.

In Ohio, they had fire fighters dressed in their rescue gear in front of polling locations with a sign saying to kill the union reforms. If you make these reforms about police and fire, you lose. If you make it about the DMV Diversity Coordinator, you win. And after you win, THEN you go after the other more popular public sector unions.

Had Wisconsin included police and fire fighters in their reforms, it would have failed. Period.

Which result was better for conservatives, Wisconsin or Ohio? Follow the Wisconsin model.

BradTank on February 1, 2012 at 12:57 PM

If HE was not being threatened, he will be charged.
One of the biggest issues addressed in my CCP class was liability. It’s ridiculous imo. I victim advocate lawyer can ruin your life.

Mimzey on February 1, 2012 at 11:18 AM

Since you didnt read the story, let me help.

Criminal charges are not considered likely against the customer who shot at the suspects.

Read more: http://www.wisn.com/news/30338153/detail.html#ixzz1l9giYMwP

Logboy on February 1, 2012 at 1:14 PM

I LOVE my state!

This is PAYBACK for Obama for his “fast and furious Tarmac walking” on Gov Brewer! You heard the quote here first! haha

g2825m on February 1, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Now that Arizona has dropped this bombshell, unions will want to spend as much money and time as possible in defeating it. That will, however, require a diversion of increasingly scarce resources from elsewhere — perhaps from Wisconsin, where the Walker recall has begun to bog down in majority-approval ratings for Wisconsin’s reforming governor. It might also mean spending less time and money organizing for the presidential election this fall, as it certainly will in Arizona. Big Labor has plenty of cash for one big fight, but three simultaneously? And if the money runs low, they’re going to shift resources to their largest existential threat.

Yeah baby! Every red state who is stuck with these unions should do the same – it’s a perfect strategery to dilute the power of the union thugs.

Buy Danish on February 1, 2012 at 1:18 PM

WisRich on February 1, 2012 at 9:43 AM

WisRich…..got a link or two. I didn’t pull anything up. I’m writing a retort to the ASU President concerning carrying on campus and this type of incident is part of my retort. Thanks!

VikingGoneWild on February 1, 2012 at 1:23 PM

Arizona is an open carry state. Be careful how you decide to protest, PU thugs.

Bishop on February 1, 2012 at 9:19 AM

Heck i think AZ is Constitutional carry. Even better. Bring on the thugs.

exsanguine on February 1, 2012 at 1:25 PM

More. Faster. Please

conservative tarheel on February 1, 2012 at 1:32 PM

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