Open thread: Florida; Update: Romney raised $24 million in fourth quarter; Update: Romney wins

posted at 7:14 pm on January 31, 2012 by Allahpundit

Drudge says the exit polls show Romney by 14 so we should get a call promptly at 8 p.m. ET. You’re watching for the final margin and for Newt’s speech afterward. If Mitt makes it to 50 percent in a closed primary he’s got a dynamite talking point tomorrow; if Gingrich holds him to a single-digit spread, then … “moral victory” I guess? (Newt assured ABC this morning that “I’m not going to lose big in Florida.”) Romney’s speech should be the standard “you can tell I’m conservative because I love America super lots” message but Newt’s could go different ways. Gracious loser? Big-picture “vision”? Pep talk to his supporters to battle on towards the convention? Or something bitter about how Romney hates religious liberty and Holocaust survivors? Maybe it’ll be all four, with Good Newt and Bad Newt battling for his soul before our very eyes.

Full exit polls are coming at eight but first a few scraps from CBS:

Two in three Florida primary voters say the presidential debates were an important factor in their vote, according to early CBS News exit polls. That’s a positive sign for Mitt Romney, who was widely seen as besting rival Newt Gingrich in the two Sunshine State debates over the past week…

Electability was what Florida Republican voters were seeking in a candidate: 45 percent said the most important candidate quality is that they could defeat President Obama. That was followed by having the right experience (20 percent), having strong character (17 percent) and being a true conservative (13 percent)…

A majority of Florida Republican voters – 57 percent — were happy with the candidates on the ballot. But in a potentially troubling sign for Republicans in this swing state, 39 percent said they were not satisfied.

More from our Greenroomer Karl, who culled Fox News’s exit poll data from Twitter: “Romney winning 58% of those who say beating Obama is biggest priority. Romney winning seniors by 15% over Newt. Romney is last among those who say electing a ‘true conservative’ is most important (shocka). Romney winning Hispanics by 27%. Gingrich only leading Romney among evangelicals by 4%.” Seniors used to be Newt’s bread and butter; hard to imagine anyone staying competitive in Florida when you’re in that deep a hole with that demographic. One other fun fact via the NYT:

Negative ads were so prevalent in the final week before the Florida primary that they accounted for 92 percent of all campaign commercials that ran.

And the most heavily broadcast commercial this past weekend was not one featuring Mr. Romney or Mr. Gingrich but Tom Brokaw, the former NBC News anchor whose image the Romney campaign co-opted for an ad that used a 25-second clip from an old newscast on Mr. Gingrich’s political troubles.

A consolation prize for Santorum fans tonight: According to PPP, he leads Romney by 11 points in next week’s nonbinding primary in Missouri and fares better head to head against Romney in Ohio than Gingrich does. His favorable ratings are also vastly higher than Mitt’s and Newt’s in both states. If Gingrich dropped out soon, Santorum would stand a real chance of consolidating the Not Romney vote and winning the nomination. But watch the clip below; Newt’s promising to battle on for another six to eight months if need be, and there’s every reason to believe he’ll do it. You know who that benefits?

Here’s the Google Florida results map, or of course you could follow along in the sidebar with the handy Townhall election widget. Lots of updates coming, especially once we get the full exit polls, so stand by. For what it’s worth, I’ve now settled on a candidate to support in the race. He isn’t perfect — who is? — but he’s more human than Romney and less destructive than Newt. Meet the solution to our problems.

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Update: Let’s get the ball rolling tonight with Rick Tyler of Newt’s Super PAC wondering whether a “birth defect” might be the cause of Romney’s lying.

Update: Most polls in Florida closed at 7 p.m. but the panhandle is open until eight. Even so, as of 7:15 ET, results are already being reported. As I write this Romney has nearly 100,000 votes in the bank and is above 50 percent. Stay tuned.

Update: Romney and his PAC spent $15 million on ads in Florida. Total number of positive ads he ran in the state: One. It ran 15 times. And it wasn’t even in English.

Update: Zeke Miller of BuzzFeed wonders whether and when Newt will follow Hillary’s path from 2008 in rallying behind the nominee in hopes of a cabinet position. My guess, given Gingrich’s temperament: Never. In fact, given how deep the bitterness runs, Newt might take this as his reward:

In a Washington Post/ABC News poll last week, 49 percent of the respondents nationwide held an unfavorable view of Mr. Romney, while only 31 percent had a favorable one. That is a reversal from last September, when more people held a favorable view of Mr. Romney than an unfavorable one.

Independents, in particular, now have a less favorable opinion of Mr. Romney, with favorable opinions dropping from a high in the mid-40s in late November to a low of 23 percent last week, according to the Post/ABC News poll.

Update: Your photo of the day. Think Newt’s pessimistic about tonight?

Update: Just across the wires, Romney’s fundraising haul was as impressive as you’d expect last quarter: $24 million, up from $14 million in the third quarter and more than double Newt’s take of $10 million. Gingrich may want to run for another six or eight months but right now there’s only one guy in the field who can afford to do that in a meaningful way.

Update: Promptly at 8 p.m., everyone calls Florida for Romney. Now we wait for the margin and to see which Newt we get during the concession speech.

Update: Full exit polls from CNN right here. Back in a few minutes with highlights.

Update: The story of the exit polls is simple: Romney beat Gingrich across the board, in virtually every single demographic except the utmost conservative (“strong” tea party supporters, those who say abortion should always be illegal, etc.). A sample of his margins of victory: Women by 22, Latinos by 23, seniors by 17, married women by 23 (Marianne’s revenge?), tea-party supporters by two, Catholics by 26 (likely a byproduct of Romney’s advantage among Latinos), those who said the economy is the most important issue by 20, and even those who say they’re falling behind economically by a single point. As I write this, with two thirds of all precincts reporting, he’s at 46.9 percent. He probably won’t get to 50, but he may very well top the combined total of Gingrich and Santorum, which stands right now at 44.8 percent.

Update: Chris Cillizza notes that not only was the Florida electorate more Republican than that of the previous three states (thanks to the closed primary), it was also more conservative than it was four years ago when McCain won. Expect to see Team Mitt pointing that out early and often tomorrow as proof of his appeal to the right. Meanwhile, John Ellis wonders if the media’s interest in Newt is about to evaporate:

The big dogs, of course, will keep at it. Dan Balz of The Washington Post and John Heilemann of New York Magazine won’t be touched. But everyone who isn’t a brand name political reporter is back on the leash. The army is already starting to demobilize as you read this. It just doesn’t know it yet.

This is how it ends for Newt Gingrich. On the day after the South Carolina primary, he had two busloads of reporters, bloggers and electronic media types following his every word. Tomorrow, he won’t need two buses. He’ll be lucky if the seats are filled on one.

Presidential candidates survive on the oxygen of media coverage. It’s what keeps them going, enables them to keep raising money. Once the coverage is withdrawn, it’s only a matter of time before their candidacies expire. Out of sight, out of mind, out of money.

After tonight, all but one of the GOP presidential candidates will start being taken off life support. By the time we get to Super Tuesday in early March, you probably won’t even remember Rick Santorum’s name.


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Not only is it a landslide of epic proportions, it is an embarrassment to Neutron Newt. His flailing nonsensical attacks and his continued erratic behavior exposes him as the candidate the dems would prefer to run against because Neutron Newt and his Newtropolis moon base are easy pickings in the general election.

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 1:06 AM

Not only is it a landslide of epic proportions, it is an embarrassment to Neutron Newt. His flailing nonsensical attacks and his continued erratic behavior exposes him as the candidate the dems would prefer to run against because Neutron Newt and his Newtropolis moon base are easy pickings in the general election.

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 1:06 AM

None of this makes Romney look any better.

Dollayo on February 1, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Okay guys, I present you two options.

Option A or Option B.

Option B has been looking mighty appealing for a while now.

gyrmnix on February 1, 2012 at 1:21 AM

I just checked Fox News for the vote count before logging off.
Romney at 46% and Newt at 32%. That’s only 14% difference, which I think it pretty good. Keep in mind a great number of absentee ballots had been cast. There were votes cast for Perry, Huntsman, Bachmann & Cain.

With the number of Romney ads against Newt in FL I think Newt did very well.

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 1:27 AM

None of this makes Romney look any better.

Dollayo on February 1, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Not true. Electability is what won the state for Romney. Gingrich compared himself to Romney and he failed miserably. This epic failure by Gingrich will move TEA Party and conservative voters over to Romney, because by comparison he is more rational, statesmanlike, and trustworthy than Neutron Newt. They viewed Gingrich as better, but when Romney proved he was the superior candidate, they have learned from their misguided thinking and will come around to rational thinking and will support Romney.

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 1:33 AM

With the number of Romney ads against Newt in FL I think Newt did very well.

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Denial just ain’t a river in Egypt are it? :-)

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 1:35 AM

None of this makes Romney look any better.

Dollayo on February 1, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Oh it does. Romney is professional, sharp, controlled, calm and collected. You can’t say that about Newt. He’s a walking time bomb and even ardent newt supporters can’t deny that.

If Newt wins the nomination, the election is over before its even started.

Conservative Samizdat on February 1, 2012 at 1:35 AM

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 1:27 AM

The pundits today were talking about Newt bowing out of the race before any vote was counted, there is a plan to discourage the rest of the states, they want this primary done ASAP.
Mitt was annointed from the begining and we have to just follow,and if we keep saying in the end we will vote for Mitt b/c ABO the establishment will keep offering their choice of Mod. candidates.

evergreenland on February 1, 2012 at 1:41 AM

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 1:33 AM

When Mitt lost to Newt by 14 points in SC did you call it epic failure?

evergreenland on February 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM

14% win in SC – no big deal
14% win in FL – greatest win in the history of politics
– Mittlogic

angryed on February 1, 2012 at 1:49 AM

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 1:33 AM

When Mitt lost to Newt by 14 points in SC did you call it epic failure?

evergreenland on February 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM

CSDeven will never tell you why Romney is a good candidate. He’s only here to throw ad hominem attacks around. He’s the alpha Mittbot.

angryed on February 1, 2012 at 1:52 AM

When Mitt lost to Newt by 14 points in SC did you call it epic failure?

evergreenland on February 1, 2012 at 1:47 AM

Yep.

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 1:58 AM

CSDeven will never tell you why Romney is a good candidate. He’s only here to throw ad hominem attacks around. He’s the alpha Mittbot.

angryed on February 1, 2012 at 1:52 AM

I have that discussion with rational folks all the time. I even tried to have it with you on occasion. But you are an intellectually dishonest troll and I refuse to give you the respect of my serious efforts any further.

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 2:00 AM

I refuse to give you the respect of my serious efforts any further.

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 2:00 AM

..Ed’s an acquired taste. I suggest a series of strong adult beverages over the course of the evening.

The War Planner on February 1, 2012 at 2:15 AM

Just across the wires, Romney’s fundraising haul was as impressive as you’d expect last quarter: $24 million

Not a bad haul, until you take into account that he spent $17 million in Florida alone.

xblade on February 1, 2012 at 2:41 AM

I’m not going to read 16 pages to find out, but did anyone happen to notice total turnout in Florida this year was 1.66 million, down a whopping 15% from 1.95 million in 2008?

steebo77 on February 1, 2012 at 3:01 AM

I’m not going to read 16 pages to find out, but did anyone happen to notice total turnout in Florida this year was 1.66 million, down a whopping 15% from 1.95 million in 2008?

steebo77 on February 1, 2012 at 3:01 AM

It was commented on, and then, big suprise, one of the Romney people said it was the fault stupid people in FL “depressed” with Romney paranoia.

Night Owl on February 1, 2012 at 3:38 AM

It was commented on, and then, big suprise, one of the Romney people said it was the fault of the stupid people in FL “depressed” with Romney paranoia.

Night Owl on February 1, 2012 at 3:38 AM

Sorry, it’s late

Night Owl on February 1, 2012 at 3:39 AM

It wasn’t really good news when McCain won South Carolina and Florida, and it’s not really good news that Romney won Florida.

Romney in the general is a great way to throw away the election.

All it really amounts to is this: negative ads work, and Romney spent a ton of money on them. There’s no reason to believe he can do the same against Obama’s campaign, which will have even more money than Romney adn the media in its pocket.

Romney’s problem remains the same as it’s always been: he can’t really give people a good reason to vote for him. His only hope has ever been negative ads from a SuperPAC that he can pretend he has no control over, to try to make the alternatives look even worse.

And as someone pointed out today, a candidate campaigning for the White House by trying to appeal to moderates and independents will encourage voting by moderates and independents, and discourage the election of conservative candidates for the House and Senate. In effect, Romney would have negative coattails.

If Obama is the disease, Romney is not the cure!

There Goes The Neighborhood on February 1, 2012 at 4:20 AM

And as someone pointed out today, a candidate campaigning for the White House by trying to appeal to moderates and independents will encourage voting by moderates and independents, and discourage the election of conservative candidates for the House and Senate. In effect, Romney would have negative coattails.

If Obama is the disease, Romney is not the cure!

There Goes The Neighborhood on February 1, 2012 at 4:20 AM

Yes, he is a secondary infection.

tinkerthinker on February 1, 2012 at 6:37 AM

“I know we didn’t all agree on TARP. I believe that it was necessary to prevent a cascade of bank collapses. For free markets to work, there has to be a currency and a functioning financial system.”

Mitt Romney

This statement shows a massively profound misunderstanding of what Romney believes free markets are.

Translation :

“For free markets to work there has to be a fiat, unbacked government enforced currency issued by a monopolistic banking cartel held up by legal tender laws and a fractionally reserved banking system enabled and made legal by the force of the government.”

And some of you want to vote for this man ? The belief that somehow Romney is better than ( insert favorite opposition here ) gives credence to your beliefs the headline namesake of this blog : Hot Air.

DevilsPrinciple on February 1, 2012 at 7:06 AM

I’m not going to read 16 pages to find out, but did anyone happen to notice total turnout in Florida this year was 1.66 million, down a whopping 15% from 1.95 million in 2008?

steebo77 on February 1, 2012 at 3:01 AM

I think that it probably has something to do with the fact that there isn’t a race for the Democratic nomination this time out.

ghostwriter on February 1, 2012 at 7:16 AM

And as someone pointed out today, a candidate campaigning for the White House by trying to appeal to moderates and independents will encourage voting by moderates and independents, and discourage the election of conservative candidates for the House and Senate. In effect, Romney would have negative coattails.

If Obama is the disease, Romney is not the cure!

There Goes The Neighborhood on February 1, 2012 at 4:20 AM

He only has negative coattails if conservatives stay home. If a conservative can’t bring himself to vote for Romney, then he damn well ought to show up for the down-ballot and local contests. And if he won’t do that, then he should just STFU, and stop pretending that he cares.

ghostwriter on February 1, 2012 at 7:20 AM

angryed on February 1, 2012 at 1:52 AM

Still going strong how many hours later? All frothy too. What a whack job… unseen and ddrrintintin cannot be far behind. Wow.

CW on February 1, 2012 at 7:23 AM

I just checked Fox News for the vote count before logging off.
Romney at 46% and Newt at 32%. That’s only 14% difference, which I think it pretty good. Keep in mind a great number of absentee ballots had been cast. There were votes cast for Perry, Huntsman, Bachmann & Cain.

With the number of Romney ads against Newt in FL I think Newt did very well.

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 1:27 AM
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You can keep spinning it all you like, but it won’t change the fact that Romney had a resounding win last night in Florida. The idea that Gingrich would gain all of Santorum’s support if he dropped out is a pipe dream. Some people just don’t like Newt. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a significant chunk of Santorum’s support accrue to Romney. In case you haven’t noticed, the so-called “not-Romney” vote has been shrinking over time faster than Newt’s support has grown over the same period.

ghostwriter on February 1, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Huge Obama victory; Willard will be toast in November but we know who’ll be blamed. Now we can all relax until the Supreme court makes some news in June and then on to that Grant Park Party redux in November. Don’t get me wrong, I’ll vote Republican but the idea of Romney’s reverse coattails bringing back Pelosi and Reid is one nightmare too far.

Annar on February 1, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Thanks for all the replies- I am fighting a cold, so I went to bed soon after I posted.

Gingrich should stick to fighting Romney about Romney being on the ticket and how it weakens the case for repealing Obamacare imo. Clarifying my thoughts on public sentiment- SCOTUS decision comes down in June? So if Romney has wrapped up the numbers by then, will the judges think that Republicans/Tea Partiers/ Independents have mellowed on Obamacare and that we are okay with it because we have just put the architect of Romneycare on the ballot? Will that 5th uncertain vote on the court flip flop to saying it is constitutional because they fear a public backlash on the courts?

And I just read about the CBO’s expectations about 30% hikes in taxes in the next few years and 6 more years of a sluggish economy and unemployment remaining above 7%- and while it isn’t specifically said that it is Obamacare doing the majority of the damage, it refers to laws going into effect during that time.

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 1, 2012 at 7:58 AM

Gingrich should stick to fighting Romney about Romney being on the ticket and how it weakens the case for repealing Obamacare imo.

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 1, 2012 at 7:58 AM

You do know that there is one candidate who supported a FEDERAL health care mandate, and as recently as 2 years ago, don’t you? And you do know who that is, don’t you. So if, as you say, you want someone to argue for states and individuals to be free of having the Feds telling them they must buy insurance why would you go with the guy who was for it? And you do know that his name is Newton Leroy Gingrich, don’t you?

Annoy Sarah Palin, vote Mitt!

MJBrutus on February 1, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Hey journeyintothewhirlwind, Those CBO expectations are REALLY OPTIMISTIC. Really old people will be telling stories about how growing up in the Great Depression wasn’t this bad. Cargo ships are sailing at reduced speed to save fuel, increasing shipping times by 50%. The Baltic Dry Index fell off a cliff beginning of January. Etc.

bigmike on February 1, 2012 at 8:12 AM

MJBrutus on February 1, 2012 at 8:10 AM

Yes, I do know that. As I said in my first post I really don’t like either of them, I wanted others to join the race. I was hoping that they would BOTH be bumped off the ticket, much earlier than this with people choosing not to give either of them their time or money.

And Gingrich wasn’t in Congress when he said that so he could have backed off and said that he went back and studied Romneycare and he listened to the Tea Party arguments and found them credible that a mandate isn’t constitutional and was now solidly in the repeal camp.

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 1, 2012 at 8:20 AM

Boy, the more I read these Hot Air postings the more it sounds as if Romney is buying this primary nomination. He has the most money – what is that? I mean, I’m all for capitalism but this is it at its ugliest and Romney is a corporatist anyway. Romney only seems to win in states where he trashes his opponents with lies and distortions counting on them not having the funding to fight back. I don’t feel too good about this and Romney is coming off sleazier than I even thought he always was. He’s out democrating the Democrats. The republican party is turning into a caricature of itself – like we’re in a Citizen Kane movie. We have to hope things turn around in the remaining states or we’re screwed.

mozalf on February 1, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Neutron Newt and his Newtropolis moon base are easy pickings in the general election.

The problem with the “Moon Base” and channeling JFK is that it gives the MSM ammo to mock. If Obama said “Moon Base”, the MSM would be walking around chubbed with thoughts of the moon. Granted with the fiscal reality we face, a bridge to the moon wouldn’t go over too well with the voters.

MechanicalBill on February 1, 2012 at 8:34 AM

Romney only seems to win in states where he trashes his opponents with lies and distortions counting on them not having the funding to fight back.

Dammit, that bastard fights like Obama! Hey, I wonder if that could beat Obama? But I get your point. You would think we could get some better candidates than the clowns we get (on both sides).

MechanicalBill on February 1, 2012 at 8:36 AM

He only has negative coattails if conservatives stay home. If a conservative can’t bring himself to vote for Romney, then he damn well ought to show up for the down-ballot and local contests. And if he won’t do that, then he should just STFU, and stop pretending that he cares.

ghostwriter on February 1, 2012 at 7:20 AM

I will never vote for Romney. He is the Republican version of Obama where many “conservatives” are just certain he really agrees with them despite what he’s actually done. He’s their “blank slate” for writing their hopes and dreams.

I cannot vote for someone that I believe will do more lasting damage to the country than our present failure of a president.

I always fulfill my civic duty of voting and I will be voting in this election as well. Just not for Romney.

Perhaps I do represent a miniscule minority that can be ignored. However, for the Mittbots who will be screaming at me in November, I will merely point out that they were warned about the effect their “electable” candidate will have on the base. You want me to show up? Don’t put up a faux-Obama who is (in the short term) “better” than the alternative.

makattak on February 1, 2012 at 9:29 AM

angryed on February 1, 2012 at 1:52 AM
I have that discussion with rational folks all the time. I even tried to have it with you on occasion. But you are an intellectually dishonest troll and I refuse to give you the respect of my serious efforts any further.

csdeven on February 1, 2012 at 2:00 AM

angryed is an informed poster and the fact that you can’t admit that says more about you. Just because you don’t agree with him doesn’t make him a troll or that he’s dishonest. Romney has a record and Newt has a record. That is what angryed posts about. I agree with him, because as I said above, my research bears that out.

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:05 AM

I’m not going to read 16 pages to find out, but did anyone happen to notice total turnout in Florida this year was 1.66 million, down a whopping 15% from 1.95 million in 2008?

steebo77 on February 1, 2012 at 3:01 AM
It was commented on, and then, big suprise, one of the Romney people said it was the fault stupid people in FL “depressed” with Romney paranoia.

Night Owl on February 1, 2012 at 3:38 AM

I’d be depressed too if I had to watch/listen to over 11,000 of Romney’s negative ads in one week!! LOL

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:11 AM

And some of you want to vote for this man ? The belief that somehow Romney is better than ( insert favorite opposition here ) gives credence to your beliefs the headline namesake of this blog : Hot Air.

DevilsPrinciple on February 1, 2012 at 7:06 AM

LOL, good one.

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:14 AM

Mittens biggest problem is that he is an antidisestablishmentarianist, at a time when the establishment, of both parties, is the enemy of America. He will just be more of the same.

NOMOBO on February 1, 2012 at 10:39 AM

ghostwriter on February 1, 2012 at 7:28 AM

I’m not spinning anything. Those are the vote totals. Elections are all about whoever has the most money and what they can accomplish with it. 2008 proved that.

Lying about and distorting someone’s record accomplished Romney’s win in FL.

The first debate that Gov. Perry was in showed me that Romney is a liar and a hypocrite to boot. And his continuing campaign testifies to that.

As I’ve said elsewhere, he had the Establishment Republicans behind him and the Network News media and tons of money; how could he lose?

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:39 AM

And Gingrich wasn’t in Congress when he said that so he could have backed off and said that he went back and studied Romneycare and he listened to the Tea Party arguments and found them credible that a mandate isn’t constitutional and was now solidly in the repeal camp.

journeyintothewhirlwind on February 1, 2012 at 8:20 AM

I agree. Newt is an idea guy and throws out many. Similar to what I did raising my children when they were deciding on a particular course of action. I’d lay out 4-5 different options and consequences so they could make the best decision.

Newt regroups, changes his mind on various policy opinions. Romney does not, he still defends Romneycare, which he put in effect in MA.
And yes, he did say it was a good plan for the Nation and he lied about saying that also.

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:48 AM

14% win in SC – no big deal
14% win in FL – greatest win in the history of politics
– Mittlogic

angryed on February 1, 2012 at 1:49 AM

Getting it wrong as usual.

12.5% win in SC – big deal
14% win in FL – bigger deal

Gunlock Bill on February 1, 2012 at 10:50 AM

makattak on February 1, 2012 at 9:29 AM

It’s times like these that I think we have a one party system. Since the 2010 Republican victory, they sure have voted together.

What have the Republicans done for Conservatives? The Country? Freedom? Spending? Debt?

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:55 AM

It’s times like these that I think we have a one party system. Since the 2010 Republican victory, they sure have voted together.

What have the Republicans done for Conservatives? The Country? Freedom? Spending? Debt?

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:55 AM

You got it. The republican establishment is moderate/liberal. They just care about the power and being in charge of the money. Obama/Romney same difference ie George Soros.

They might as well join forces and morph into one party. At any rate, the republican party is over if Romney wins the nom. There will be a third conservative party.

The republicans have thrown the Tea Party, all conservatives, the country, freedom, controlling spending, reducing the debt under the bus. The usual stupid mantra is; we must go moderate/status quo to win the general election. How’s that squishy-wishy middle stuff worked for ya so far repubs? Dole, McCain, Romney.

A NE liberal/moderate from MA, the grandfather of ObamaCare, will not defeat Obama.

IndeCon on February 1, 2012 at 12:02 PM

It’s times like these that I think we have a one party system. Since the 2010 Republican victory, they sure have voted together.

What have the Republicans done for Conservatives? The Country? Freedom? Spending? Debt?

bluefox on February 1, 2012 at 10:55 AM

I agree, bluefox. The fact is that both parties are addicted to debt, perqs and power. How can we move forward when laws choke any possibility of progress?

Does anyone actually believe that the USG is going to allow the “free market” to determine the course of economic activity in this country ?

Not in our lifetimes. We have too much debt overhang, too many overvalued assets due to bubbles and we are not productive enough NOR frugal enough. We want it all. Now.

This whole campaign thing is like a hologram of re-runs and re-treads of this country’s elected officials and ideas. Do any of you think the course of this country, that they have set, is sustainable ?

Do ANY of you REALLY believe that ANY of them have ANY solutions to our GIGANTIC problems ?

I have ZERO faith that ANY of them really know what they are doing OR debating. What they say every time they open their flytraps is evidence enough of “public officials” stupendous ignorance.

DevilsPrinciple on February 1, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Real question and I want a honest answer, When Romney says “God bless you and God bless America”… what god is he talking about?

apocalypse on January 31, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Aren’t Mormons Christian? So that would be Christ, correct?

Bmore on January 31, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Nope. Mormons aren’t Christians. That’s why I get a headache every time Mitt Romney says “God bless you.” It is confusing…

apocalypse on February 1, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Real question and I want a honest answer, When Romney says “God bless you”… what god is he talking about?

apocalypse on January 31, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Aren’t Mormons Christian? So that would be Christ, correct?

Bmore on January 31, 2012 at 11:17 PM

If you engage him you’ll regret it.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 31, 2012 at 11:26 PM

LOL at annoyinglittletwerp… shouldn’t you be clothes shopping right now…

apocalypse on February 1, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Real question and I want a honest answer, When Romney says “God bless you and America”… what god is he talking about?

apocalypse on January 31, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Joseph Smith? /jk

Aizen on January 31, 2012 at 11:26 PM

:-D He was the treasure seeker who found the missing golden plates

apocalypse on February 1, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Nope. Mormons aren’t Christians. That’s why I get a headache every time Mitt Romney says “God bless you.” It is confusing…

apocalypse on February 1, 2012 at 12:39 PM

What a moron.

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2012/01/mormonism-obsessed-with-christ

Written by an Evangelical.

Gunlock Bill on February 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Nope. Mormons aren’t Christians. That’s why I get a headache every time Mitt Romney says “God bless you.” It is confusing…

apocalypse on February 1, 2012 at 12:39 PM

What a moron.

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2012/01/mormonism-obsessed-with-christ

Written by an Evangelical.

Gunlock Bill on February 1, 2012 at 3:05 PM

The only moron around here is YOU… that article is not written by an Evangelical

apocalypse on February 1, 2012 at 3:37 PM

What I want to see is a breakdown of the votes that were cast yesterday and the early votes. There were several hundred thousand early votes and many were probably cast before Gingrich became anything but a marginal candidate. A more useful breakdown would be just the breakdown of yesterdays vote which would give a much clearer picture of the strength of the candidates. It also provides a good reason to minimize early voting.

duff65 on February 1, 2012 at 4:17 PM

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