Occupy support drops more than 20 points in … San Francisco?

posted at 8:40 am on January 31, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

One would think that the Occupy movement and San Francisco were made for each other.  Perhaps at one time they were, but a new Survey USA poll shows that even the City by the Bay has its limits.  The poll of 500 adults in the San Francisco area — surely the most progressive-friendly poll sample ever taken — shows that almost half of those who supported the Occupy movement in general now have changed their minds.

The topline results break down thusly:

  • Supported/Still do: 32%
  • Supported/Now oppose: 26%
  • Opposed/Now support: 3%
  • Opposed/Still do: 31%
  • Not sure: 8%

According to this poll, Occupy support in the Bay area would have been 58/34 at one point.  Now it’s 35/57, which is a flip of 46 points in the gap.  Combining support and opposition numbers, Democrat support for Occupy is now 40/56, and even among self-professed liberals, where 27% have switched to opposition, it’s only 52/35.  Among San Francisco adults.  Note too that the movement has not gained converts in anything like the numbers they are alienating, which means that the longer they go, the weaker they are getting politically.

In San Francisco.  Nancy Pelosi’s home turf.  The city that banned Happy Meals because parents were being held hostage by their children.  The mind boggles.

The notion of “occupying” vacant buildings for their operations as some form of social justice  also doesn’t go over as well as one might expect in the area.  Only 21% support the idea, eleven points lower than the movement’s remaining support, while 71% oppose it. Even the youngest demographic, which still has a very narrow plurality supporting the movement (43/41) opposes this idea by a wide majority, 32/59.

But the best is yet to come.  No one in this area is ever happy with the police.  Eric Burdon once hailed the city in “San Francisco Nights,” praising the Hells Angels while warbling, “Cop’s face is filled with hate; heavens above, he’s on a street called Love.” (Needless to say, the entire song is dreck.)  They’re not happy with the police in this instance, though, because the police haven’t been harsh enough with the occupiers.  Twenty-eight percent say the police have been too harsh, while 35% say they’ve been “just about right” … and 33% say they need to get harsher.

When the Great Progressive Event has a third of adults in San Francisco looking for a police crackdown, I’d call that nuking the fridge.


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I live in the Bay Area. I encourage OPD and SFPD to set their truncheons to Giuliani on these clowns every chance I get.

JohnGalt23 on January 31, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Butbutbut… George Soros said the movement is growing!

How can this be?!!!1!!

rihar on January 31, 2012 at 8:45 AM

San Francisco has always been overrun with weirdos and creeps. (Sorry, I don’t remember the scientific terms for these.)

So it is only natural that locals should view the Occupy “movement” as just more noise to contend with.

Dextrous on January 31, 2012 at 8:45 AM

I’ll say one thing, the SF cops that I ran into were first-rate, non shiite-takers. More than once I and fellow sailors mixed it up with SF locals who got on our case, got the best of them, and were told by the cops to “disappear, we will take of this”.

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 8:45 AM

So, its down to 80%?

Darksean on January 31, 2012 at 8:46 AM

So the rats and other vermin got out of the camps and into the hoity toity neighborhoods? Pelosi had to call Orkin?

Smell from the privies (and the Occupiers) scaring away vital tourist dollars?

Heh.

Wethal on January 31, 2012 at 8:50 AM

In San Francisco. Nancy Pelosi’s home turf. The city that banned Happy Meals because parents were being held hostage by their children. The mind boggles.

It doesn’t boggle George Orwell’s mind a bit.

mankai on January 31, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Obama’s civilian army and his re-election strategy in shambles.

LOL

Key West Reader on January 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM

San Fran Nan must be having a meltdown somewhere with the internal conflict. Liberals against liberals in her town?!

Logus on January 31, 2012 at 8:53 AM

When the Great Progressive Event has a third of adults in San Francisco looking for a police crackdown, I’d call that nuking the fridge.

BTW, Ed, add Indy 4 to the Rocky V and Star Dreck V to the list of sequels that never happened.

As for OWS, people here are worried that Obama’s class warfare campaign strategery is actually gonna work? When even San Fran-psycho is saying enough’s enough?

Doughboy on January 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

I wonder what the cop is saying to that kid in the photo:

“I’ll bet you thought this was going to be nothing but pizza and girls, right? Dipshiite.”

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Obama’s civilian army and his re-election strategy in shambles.

LOL

Key West Reader on January 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM

Not yet. They’re going to rally the troops for some summer violence. One last desperate attempt to impose utopia on us.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Awww.

Good Lt on January 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Ed, drudge had a story linked about an ows’er in the bay area who strangled then stuffed his parents in the trunk of their PT Cruiser.

ted c on January 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Considering everybody they polled were most likely all members of the OWS movement…I think the poll numbers reflected, are great!

KOOLAID2 on January 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Not yet. They’re going to rally the troops for some summer violence. One last desperate attempt to impose utopia on us.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

That begins in early May as G8/NATO comes to Chicago…then off to Charlotte. Whoopie! Rham is going to have his hands full and thanking Obummer all they day long.

ChicagoBlues on January 31, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Not yet. They’re going to rally the troops for some summer violence. One last desperate attempt to impose utopia on us.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

The real fun will be in Charlotte during the Dem convention, as OWS plans on protesting the Dems, too. Chicago 1968 redux.

Wethal on January 31, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Ed, drudge had a story linked about an ows’er in the bay area who strangled then stuffed his parents in the trunk of their PT Cruiser.

ted c on January 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM

“They were probably 1%’ers who deserved it!”

-average leftist

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

That begins in early May as G8/NATO comes to Chicago…then off to Charlotte. Whoopie! Rham is going to have his hands full and thanking Obummer all they day long.

ChicagoBlues on January 31, 2012 at 9:00 AM

Obama will just tell the police and sanitation unions, “Hey, look at all that overtime I got you!”

Wethal on January 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01/occupy-protester-stragles-parents-stuffs-their-bodies-in-the-back-of-the-pt-cruiser/

Ed, this guy was from Occupy Oakland. via jim hoft yesterday.

ted c on January 31, 2012 at 9:03 AM

They already have to deal with Habitat for the Homeless there, now these clowns?

It’s enough to make a gay man sing the blues.

NoDonkey on January 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

As soon as the weather warms up, these creeps will be back in force. Just remember that this is obama’s army. He’s couldn’t get riots going with the Tea Partiers, but these useful idiots will be happy to cause trouble. Martial law, anybody?

Mean Granny on January 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Ed, drudge had a story linked about an ows’er in the bay area who strangled then stuffed his parents in the trunk of their PT Cruiser.

ted c on January 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM
“They were probably 1%’ers who deserved it!”

-average leftist

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

They were foster parents.

Key West Reader on January 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I’d call that nuking the fridge.

Oh, no, man, that’s not cool. With all the medical marijuana in SF, they’ve got serious munchies.

The Rogue Tomato on January 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

They were foster parents.

Key West Reader on January 31, 2012 at 9:04 AM

O_o Ugh.

Still, the no-justice-no-peace crowd will be defending the punk.

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:05 AM

Ah yes, San Francisco . . . one big, smelly toilet bowl.

rplat on January 31, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Those of us who went to San Francisco in the late 60s and most of the 70s witnessed just how the societal detritus sets up shop and then sponges off of the guilty consciences and largesse of others.
The Haight (Haight/Ashbury) was all heroin addicts by 1970 and they sprawled near the “free clinics” and Market Street was covered in pan-handlers.

Apparently, the counter-cultural City Lights Bookstore crowd is now too old to care.
The Ginsberg brothers would be appalled.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on January 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM

Karl Magnus on January 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM

I wasn’t around for the 60′s but the late 80′s in Berkeley was still an eye-opening experience. There was a large park near the university what was filled with people who looked as if they just stepped away from Woodstock, and some dude who was a student at the college was allowed to wear nothing but a large leaf covering his junk.

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Didn’t Pelosi ask God to bless them?

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Occupy support drops more than 20 points in … San Francisco?

Well, of course, silly.

Got to get the place spruced up before the 42nd annual gay, lesbian, multi-gender and whatever else but straight parade we do. Can’t have the place looking all drab and squatter like.

Got to decorate!! Only a few more months to go before Showtime!!!

coldwarrior on January 31, 2012 at 9:16 AM

OWS served its purpose…get people thinking about 1% vs 99%, AKA Obama vs. Romney. What happens now is irrelevant with the movement.

angryed on January 31, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Early on, the Democratic Party had high hopes of coopting the Occupy movement and harnessing that ‘energy’ (for lack of a better word) into a boots-on-the-ground, Obama campaign army of a sort, an extension of their GOTV efforts. The problem? Capital-A Anarchists got there first and Anarchists, by and large, hate Democrats almost as much as they hate Republicans.

The grandfather of anarchism, Bukharin, said, ‘Destruction is beautiful.’ In the end, anarchism isn’t political at all and can’t be harnessed (safely) to any coherent political purpose. It’s about burning down buildings and breaking windows and spraying oven cleaner in the face of a cop. Whatever the ringleaders and spokespeople for this ‘movement’ claim to believe is a lie. What they want is the rush of adrenalin and the thrill of violence.

A smart, politically savvy Republican Party would tie these people inextricably to the Democrats: ads would be running around the clock making that connection. So far, I’ve seen little evidence of ‘smart’ or ‘savvy’ emanating from the GOP.

troyriser_gopftw on January 31, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I wonder how many mutations the Herpes virus has undergone in the OWS camps.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Just remember: these stats don’t mean people in the Bay Area aren’t batsh** crazy.

I spent an hour last night listening to a friend, who got trapped in her building in Oakland during the latest melee, rail against the Occupiers. She and her co-workers were afraid for their own safety. At the end of her diatribe, she finished “But, I agree with their cause.” I hear this over and over: people are sick of the violence but they still support the cause.

Kalifornia Kafir on January 31, 2012 at 9:22 AM

troyriser_gopftw on January 31, 2012 at 9:21 AM

The GOP is not concerned with OWS or Democrats or Obama. Its one and only mission this year is to destroy and vestige of the Tea Party.

angryed on January 31, 2012 at 9:23 AM

“But, I agree with their cause.” I hear this over and over: people are sick of the violence but they still support the cause.

Kalifornia Kafir on January 31, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Exactly what is “the cause” though? None of them can articulate it.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 9:24 AM

. . .only 52/35. Among San Francisco adults.

There are no adults in San Francisco.

As soon as the weather warms up, these creeps will be back

The weather in San Francisco doesn’t warm up.

The notion of “occupying” vacant buildings . . .doesn’t go over as well

That’s because San Francisco real estate is sacred.

Emperor Norton on January 31, 2012 at 9:27 AM

I’d like to know how 8% are unsure. Were they conscious?

Eren on January 31, 2012 at 9:31 AM

With a little luck the cops in Charlotte will back off and let them run wild.First amendment rights and all.

docflash on January 31, 2012 at 9:32 AM

Given enough time, these unwarshed, would eat their own or die in their own feces. But that would mean building a structure to hold the stench in.

racquetballer on January 31, 2012 at 9:36 AM

I hear this over and over: people are sick of the violence but they still support the cause.

BTW: the brother of the man killed and stuffed in the trunk of the PT Cruiser was on the local news last night lamenting the death of his brother… but he still supports “the cause” of his Occupy killer nephew.

Kalifornia Kafir on January 31, 2012 at 9:42 AM

I kinda suspect, the numbers wouldn’t have changed much, if the occupy klown car had parked itself in a more mainstream Cinncinati. If they could have bussed them to an area where their natural thuggish tendencies were unleased on a conservative town..

They would still be popular in liberal land.

The left is feeling betrayed, they weren’t supposed to be the ones baring the cost,. but Occupy never got the memo and fouled their own nest.

Giving some hope, they are a few less progressives there now that they have had an education.

mark81150 on January 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM

almost half of those who supported the Occupy movement in general now have changed their minds

The moment you visit the consequences of progressivism on progressives they jump ship. They get ticked when you try to share their money. They get ticked when you try to demonstrate on their lawn.

… there’s a word for this … need to find the word book … forget what it’s called

Axe on January 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM

Ed, drudge had a story linked about an ows’er in the bay area who strangled then stuffed his parents in the trunk of their PT Cruiser.

ted c on January 31, 2012 at 8:59 AM

“They were probably 1%’ers who deserved it!”

-average leftist

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM

She was a social worker and he was a psychiatrist at a prison. The kid was adopted, and he killed them because they said he was spending too much time with the occupiers.

Night Owl on January 31, 2012 at 9:44 AM

Exactly what is “the cause” though? None of them can articulate it.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Their symbolic language has not evolved beyond “YAY” and “BOO” — it will take time to develop verbs.

*uptwinkles*

Axe on January 31, 2012 at 9:50 AM

Did George Will really say that Chris Christie should lead the revitalization of the Tea Party?

Cindy Munford on January 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Night Owl on January 31, 2012 at 9:44 AM

This sad tale just gets sadder.

Now change “OWS’er” to “Tea Partier” and imagine the media extrapolation.

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I wonder how many mutations the Herpes virus has undergone in the OWS camps.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 9:21 AM

Ask kentinCT, he has probably contracted a few of them.

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:54 AM

CORRECTION:
Actually …

Emperor Norton on January 31, 2012 at 9:27 AM

There are no children in The City. It’s a logical result of the population.
(see: Castro District)

I wonder how many mutations the Herpes virus has undergone in the OWS camps.

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I suspect that herpes is the least of the consequences.
If only they opened their own OWS “bath houses”, the population of protesters would diminish in very short order, for more reasons than one. (chuckle)
The City did re-open casual gay sex arenas (“bath houses”) and once again AIDS became the “Gay Plague” Part Deux. Not to worry though, we TAXPAYERS are subsidizing both their lifestyles and their meds to ameliorate that deadly virus.

Spread it LOUD and clear, San Francisco is still the haven for, well, you know.
(check out the disgusting pics from the “Fremont Street Fair”)

I suspect that IF The City were to allow the Navy Fleet to grace their rocky shores again, things would be very much different.
(well, sailors excepted … i should have specified Marines)

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on January 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM

darwin on January 31, 2012 at 9:24 AM

Just make something up and they will do the human mic thing and repeat it. While initially entertaining on it’s own, I see the possibility of it being taken in a much funnier direction.

Cindy Munford on January 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Did George Will really say that Chris Christie should lead the revitalization of the Tea Party?

Cindy Munford on January 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

He said there was no reason why anyone in America should wear denim unless they are rustling steer, so it wouldn’t suprise me!

Night Owl on January 31, 2012 at 9:58 AM

they had higher poll numbers when they were sniffing other people’s feet, raping women, selling crack to each other, vilifying the less privileged homeless substance abusers, and pooping on cop cars and people’s doorsteps- so best to return to those time honored liberal basics of acting like stupid, over privileged, self absorbed and violent toddlers.

mittens on January 31, 2012 at 9:59 AM

“San Francisco Bay

“Bay of Pigs”

TheClearRiver on January 31, 2012 at 10:02 AM

This sad tale just gets sadder.

Now change “OWS’er” to “Tea Partier” and imagine the media extrapolation.

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

I agree it’s sad, but the kid was 15, and they weren’t saying he shouldn’t be there, just that he spent too much time there. After everything we’ve seen, I can’t believe anyone would let a child hang out there in the first place. You are right about the media!

Night Owl on January 31, 2012 at 10:03 AM

Naive whiners: http://www.occupyoaklandmoveinday.org.

BHO Jonestown on January 31, 2012 at 10:09 AM

I wonder what the cop is saying to that kid in the photo:

“I’ll bet you thought this was going to be nothing but pizza and girls, right? Dipshiite.”

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Pizza, yes.
Girls? Probably not on his mind.

Nick_Angel on January 31, 2012 at 10:18 AM

… there’s a word for this … need to find the word book … forget what it’s called

Axe on January 31, 2012 at 9:43 AM

“Liberal.”

Kenosha Kid on January 31, 2012 at 10:27 AM

Also glad to see that the PD’s are cracking heads on these pukes.

jake49 on January 31, 2012 at 10:50 AM

Choke on it, Nanzi. And wash it down with the reams of obamanurecare that you tried to impose on us.

Western_Civ on January 31, 2012 at 11:02 AM

Who knew what hypocrites these SFers were! I thought they loved this sh–stuff!

I left my fart in San Fran–whatever!

Sherman1864 on January 31, 2012 at 11:26 AM

If you really want to see the OWS crowd collapse, GIVE them Oakland.

GarandFan on January 31, 2012 at 11:30 AM

not surrised. Nobody likes orcs. They like hobbits. now if only the hobbits weren’t a direct threat to the people in power and the chushy lifestyles they have stolen for themselves…..

unseen on January 31, 2012 at 11:41 AM

Whose Ox Gets Gored?

There is a big “Effin’ Deal” which should be taxed.

Why don’t they just take their “fair share” out of the Facebook IPO. GOOG jacked the SF and silicon valley real estate values 10% (and that was not easy) and put the waiting list on Ferraris at months and the service departments were a mess. Think of dozens of billionaires in your area. And a good number of millionaires.

Some even predict an impact on the general stock market! (A Marine Captain wrote a email about this — copies available.)

The total take on the IPO has estimates of around $100 billion. In the meantime, poor fishermen like me sit and row behind the galleons loaded with booty. And try to dodge their garbage.

They follow the galleons; they follow the pirates; and most of the rest of us are invisible to the media.

IlikedAUH2O on January 31, 2012 at 11:44 AM

I live about 45 miles north of SF but work Downtown and I see the stupidity first hand on a daily basis.

Even in liberal moronland reality eventually trumps ideology.

NapaConservative on January 31, 2012 at 12:29 PM

This sad tale just gets sadder.

Now change “OWS’er” to “Tea Partier” and imagine the media extrapolation.

Bishop on January 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM

Guess who said this :

“Kill all the rich people. … Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents.”

( Hint –they are the gurus of The Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers)

burrata on January 31, 2012 at 1:13 PM

There are no children in The City. It’s a logical result of the population.

Karl Magnus on January 31, 2012 at 9:55 AM

Really not true. I was at a block party on Sunday in Potrero Hill, and that place is full of kids. Like, every other house has a kid under the age of ten. Sure, the moms have more tattoos than you might find elsewhere, but it was basically just a bunch of normal families with happy, well behaved children. Shocking!

Most people around here are pretty liberal, but they don’t have much in common with the cop-hating radicals in Occupy Oakland.

Jobius on January 31, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Anyone with a sense of history of the “hippie movement” of the 60′s in San Fran knows this is being played out almost exactly.

Haight-Asbury and most of the city welcomed the “Summer of Love” hippies and things went along really groovy until the overcrowding, homelessness, hunger, drug problems, and crime afflicted the neighborhood. The ones who could get back to their lives, go back to school and their parents, and take as shower did so and the rest stayed and became a hazard and burden to the local residents.

On October 6, 1967, those remaining in the Haight staged a mock funeral, “The Death of the Hippie” ceremony, to signal the end of the played-out scene. Mary Kasper explained the message of the mock funeral as follows:

“We wanted to signal that this was the end of it, don’t come out. Stay where you are! Bring the revolution to where you live. Don’t come here because it’s over and done with.”

Sound familiar?

Opposite Day on January 31, 2012 at 3:45 PM