Herman Cain: Finishing second in Florida would be a “win” for Gingrich

posted at 12:45 pm on January 30, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Fresh off a weekend in which he scored two highly important endorsements — an outright endorsement from former competitor Herman Cain and another pseudo-endorsement from Sarah Palin — Newt Gingrich nevertheless trails Mitt Romney in the Florida polls. Gingrich’s likely second-place finish might not be what he hoped for after his decisive victory in South Carolina, but neither will it substantively change the overall shape of the race. Except for a brief few days last week, Romney was always expected to win Florida — and the other candidates will have plenty of chances for first-place finishes in future states. In other words, the order in Florida tomorrow — no matter what it is — probably won’t be too determinative for any of the candidates. At this point, they all plan to continue to campaign regardless.

In part, that’s because they’ve all done a decent job of managing expectations when it comes to this primary. For example, Herman Cain today explained why Gingrich could even consider second place in Florida an overall “win” for his campaign.

“My expectation isn’t necessarily that he will win because of the sheer difference in spending. But my expectation is that he is going to have a much stronger showing than the weekend polls have been showing. There was one last night that showed that Gingrich is a lot closer to Romney,” Cain said during an interview with Fox News. “So this thing is so dynamic, we won’t know until the votes are counted tomorrow night in Florida.”

Cain said that considering the circumstances, he would consider a second-place finish a “win” in the Florida primary – and reiterated Gingrich’s pledge to carry forward past Florida.

“If he finishes second, I would consider that a win because next he goes to Nevada, Maine and we’ve got Super Tuesday coming up and there’s a very important state that’s on Super Tuesday, Georgia, and so I happen to believe that if he comes in second he keeps on going,” Cain said.

Romney has, indeed, outspent Gingrich in the Sunshine State, and money matters even more in a large state like Florida than it does in smaller states. The Romney campaign says the former Massachusetts governor leads Gingrich because he outperformed him at the two most recent GOP debates — and it’s true the polls tipped back in Romney’s favor after the debates — but it’s still hard to believe all that anti-Gingrich spending has nothing to do with his comfortable lead in Florida.

Meanwhile, Gingrich leads in one survey of Florida voters: Today, Jenny Beth Martin of Tea Party Patriots announced that Gingrich leads her organization’s Tea Party Straw Poll in Florida with 35 percent of the vote.


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Nah-it will still be a loss.
Go Santorum.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I liked Cain…. Once. Now he’s sort of jumped the shark in my book….

sandee on January 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

2nd is really a win because Paul and Sandtorum were…ah, so formidable?

rhombus on January 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

The Tea Party movement is false.

rubberneck on January 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

My expectation is that Newt replaces Callista with a new women this year.

hanzblinx on January 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Poor Herman Cain.. he actually fell for Newt’s promises of a cabinet position and now he’s making a fool of himself by getting wrapped up in a pretzel of logic with his reasoning of support of a Gingrich campaign.

gatorboy on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

FL SurveyUSA: Romney leads Gingrich 32-30 among Tea Partiers, 36-30 among very conservatives, 42-24 among conservatives, 42-22 among the college educated, 44-21 among moderates.

Newt can’t even win the Tea Party, nor can he win conservatives.

haner on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

If it’s close, other Southern states have permission to say, “meh, Yankee snowbirds.”

Sekhmet on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Walk it back, fellas, walk it all back. :-(

cynccook on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

I liked Cain…. Once. Now he’s sort of jumped the shark in my book….

sandee on January 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

I’m in your camp but during the debates it was as clear as 999 that he wasn’t ready for the White House. I’d like to see him continue to stay active in politics as I think he’ll get better with age but now… Yeah, he’s on that surf-board with the Fonze, no doubt.

rhombus on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

T axed
E nough
A lready

It was nice knowing you.

Weasels united!

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 12:51 PM

So then I guess if Eli Manning throws for more yards than Tom Brady’s backup, the Giants win?

Zaggs on January 30, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Romney has, indeed, outspent Gingrich in the Sunshine State

Be factual, then:

16 million

vs

4 milllion

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 12:52 PM

Ya right it’s a win. Gingrich is circling the drain fast!

ObamatheMessiah on January 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

The Tea Party movement is false (and dead).

rubberneck on January 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Just look around here. It’s a perfect microcosm of weasels.

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Wait til Calista finds out Newt and Cain have been having an affair for 13 years.

Elizabetty on January 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Mitt Romney has shown me with his latest ads that he is a vulgar opportunist and a cheep shot artist that I can never vote for.

meci on January 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM

My endorsement is for Paul/Santorum or Santorum/Paul.

Forget about the two fakes, Romney and Newt. They can’t even tell people the truth about themselves, who they really are and how they really feel, because if they ever do nobody would ever consider voting for them. At least Paul and Santorum, (especially Paul), are authentic people that speak from the heart rather than from the focus group results.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

God. Any candidate worth is salt would have told Herman Cain thanks but no thanks.

This campaign isn’t “in danger of” imploding; it IS imploding. Right before your eyes.

Herman Cain is “managing expectations” for Newt Gingrich?! Oh, Lord, just kill me now! It’s absurd!

This is such a low level of competence, it’s embarrassing. I almost feel sorry for Gingrich he looks so AMATEURISH.

This man simply does not have the intelligence or the organization, or the money to “take the fight to Obama,” and fantasizing about him being able to beat Obama in “Lincoln Douglas” debates is laughable; at the last Florida debate, he just looked OLD, FAT, UGLY and TIRED. He was pathetic.

Newt Gingrich is the ultimate insider; he’s a lobbyist. He’s unethical; he makes a mockery of every conservative social value the GOP claims to support; Obama would wipe up the floor with Newt.

The best conservative candidate–the only one who can take the fight to Obama–is clearly Romney:

“Romney’s established organization here has helped blunt the grass-roots momentum Gingrich drew from his victory in South Carolina. Yard signs promoting the former Massachusetts governor are everywhere in this state, even hundreds of miles from where his events have been held. Gingrich signs are harder to come by.”

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/01/30/gingrichs_fade_poses_challenge_for_tea_party.html

mountainaires on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

meci on January 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM

He is everything anyone wants him to be, like one Obama.

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

second place is the first loser.

Jailbreak on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Low-information Republicans still believe that Mitt Romney has some uber special sauce sooper sekrit especial electability advantage over Gingrich, and they really really want to win this year. Many even consider themselves Tea Partiers. Bear in mind that when you are talking about Floridians, you also have a lot of transplanted Yankees in the mix, and you can see from our Yankee Mittstroturfers what their idea of conservatism is.

Sekhmet on January 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Oh Cain! XD

Seriously, I do still have some respect for the man, but coming in second isn’t a win. Now, coming in a close second, within five points, might be enough to keep Newt competitive for awhile, but it’d still be a pretty big loss after South Carolina. My sense is, that unless Gingrich can find a way to come back in Nevada, most people are going to assume this race is over in another week or so.

I mean, if Romney does indeed start racking up win after win in February, its gonna quickly start taking its toll on the other campaigns. Particularly if the other campaigns are flat broke.

WolvenOne on January 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Don’t invest in cigars, pipes, crowns, cakes and champagne. The “inevitable” is still evitable.

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Many even consider themselves Tea Partiers.

Sekhmet on January 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Indeed, for shame. It’s like saying that lefties are against unions.

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Mitt Romney has shown me with his latest ads that he is a vulgar opportunist and a cheep shot artist that I can never vote for.

meci on January 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Good, the Obama campaign is that way ———>

Adios.

hanzblinx on January 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM

Hahahaha… what? Finishing second is a win only for Santorum or Paul. It’s a failure for Gingrich after SC.

Red Cloud on January 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Santorum is too much of a mensch to ever join ANY ticket that includes Don Black’s friend(Alex Jones friend, David Duke’s friend, IHR’s friend…).

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I think that all the Newt and Romney supporters sort of on the fence should, en mass, switch to Santorum in Florida. Let’s show them that money can’t always buy an election.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

more wisdom from herb cain. if werent winner take all he’d have a point, but it aint so its just hot gas

chasdal on January 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

…Switch to Santorum, or better yet Paul, I should have said.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Libya.

kunegetikos on January 30, 2012 at 1:03 PM

At least Paul and Santorum, (especially Paul), are authentic people that speak from the heart rather than from the focus group results.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Got that right. Too bad I’m looking for someone who speaks with their head, and pays attention to what the entire electorate wants (ie focus groups).

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:03 PM

You’d still be wrong.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Santorum is too much of a mensch to ever join ANY ticket that includes Don Black’s friend(Alex Jones friend, David Duke’s friend, IHR’s friend…).

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2012 at 1:01 PM

I used to think you had more class than you do.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Let’s show them that money can’t always buy an election.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:02 PM

Heh, money can buy anything, incl. a 2nd Obama term.

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Got that right. Too bad I’m looking for someone who speaks with their head, and pays attention to what the entire electorate wants (ie focus groups).

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Well if you’re looking for an unprincipled snake-oil salesmen you have two of the best to choose from, I’ll grant you that.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

ROFL!!!

What a spin-job by Herman. I’m no fan of Mitt, but if Newt places second and still loses by 15%, that’s a terrible performance.

LOL!

Aizen on January 30, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Newt can’t help but finish at least second with this lineup.

VBMax on January 30, 2012 at 1:07 PM

Mitt Romney has shown me with his latest ads that he is a vulgar opportunist and a cheep shot artist that I can never vote for.

meci on January 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM

politics ain’t beanbag.. so is Mitt timid, or is he effective at destroying the competition?

gatorboy on January 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

funny, Newt didn’t feel that way when Romney came in 2nd in SC

gatorboy on January 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

Herman Cain: Finishing second in Florida would be a “win” for Gingrich

..nein! Nein! Nein!

The War Planner on January 30, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Well if you’re looking for an unprincipled snake-oil salesmen you have two of the best to choose from, I’ll grant you that.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:06 PM

The best way to re-elect Obama is to only care what conservatives think. Conservatives my out number liberals, but we are not the majority,

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

No it isn’t, Herb.

changer1701 on January 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Romney has, indeed, outspent Gingrich in the Sunshine State

Newt should have been concerned about fund raising as opposed to going on a cruise

gerrym51 on January 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Herb’s been smokin’ some herb, apparently….

captn2fat on January 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

Always pick the closest to the liberal. It worked so well, historically.

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

politics ain’t beanbag.. so is Mitt timid, or is he effective at destroying the competition?

gatorboy on January 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

I go with Door Number Three: So blinded by his ambition for the nomination that he uses devices that will be unavailable to him in the general election to destroy his primary opponents, but will be disarmed in the general election.

Sekhmet on January 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

High Expectations!

KOOLAID2 on January 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Always pick the closest to the liberal. It worked so well, historically.

Schadenfreude on January 30, 2012 at 1:13 PM

Nope. Pick the one that scares the independents the least. Obama appeared to be that in 2008 to them.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Phew! I can smell Leroy’s desperation from out here in California.

captn2fat on January 30, 2012 at 1:16 PM

The best way to re-elect Obama is to only care what conservatives think. Conservatives my out number liberals, but we are not the majority,

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

You’re including yourself in the “conservative” category but you don’t care what they think? That’s a laugh.

But let’s take your argument to the logical extent, which is that we need a candidate that appeals to more than just conservatives. If that’s the case, Ron Paul actually has the broadest appeal across the political spectrum and has the greatest chance of unifying the country behind the principles of liberty.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Now we are supposed to consider a Cain political analysis? Really? Seriously? The guy who didn’t know come’er from sic’em about politics? I wish the Republican Party would stop with the morons who consistently embarrass conservatives. Do you Cain people actually think he is the intellectual equivilant of a Mechelle Malkin or Charles Krauthammer? At best, he is Larry, Joe, and Mo rolled into one…

Oracleforhire on January 30, 2012 at 1:18 PM

Nope. Pick the one that scares the independents the least. Obama appeared to be that in 2008 to them.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:15 PM

Is that supposed to be Mitt Romney?

Once the Left uses Newt’s socialist lines of attack against Bain Capital, Mitt’s tax returns, and his credibility, the independents won’t go for Mitt.

At this point, even Santorum or Paul could draw-in more independents than Mitt or Newt.

Aizen on January 30, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Instead of one side or the other shoving their agenda down the other sides throats, Ron Paul would let states, localities and the people govern themselves, ergo Ron Paul has the greatest facility to reduce tensions in the country as well as the debt and deficits

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:20 PM

2nd is really a win because Paul and Sandtorum were…ah, so formidable in Maine and Minnesota?

rhombus on January 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Fixed to reflect campaign realities.

JohnGalt23 on January 30, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Ron Paul actually has the broadest appeal across the political spectrum and has the greatest chance of unifying the country behind the principles of liberty.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM

Not all Ron Paul supporters are Nazis, but all Nazis support Ron Paul. Not all Ron Paul supporters are 9-11 Truthers, but all 9-11 Truthers support Ron Paul.

He’ll unite Americans as well as Obama said he would.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

2nd is really a win because Paul and Sandtorum were…ah, so formidable in Maine and Minnesota?

rhombus on January 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

Ugh! Formatting flail!

JohnGalt23 on January 30, 2012 at 1:22 PM

Yeah, he’s on that surf-board with the Fonze, no doubt.

rhombus on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Heeeeyyyy! Everybody knows it was water-skis, and that it’s The Fonz. Nice try at a pop-culture allusion.

Christien on January 30, 2012 at 1:23 PM

How many more politicians are going to board the sinking Gingrich ship (or space shuttle) and go down with it?

I don’t care what Palin says, as far as I’m concerned she straight up endorsed him. She gets part of the blame when he self destructs – and he assuredly will as we have seen lately.

Swerve22 on January 30, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Once the Left uses Newt’s socialist lines of attack against Bain Capital, Mitt’s tax returns, and his credibility, the independents won’t go for Mitt.

Aizen on January 30, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Did you listen to Romney at the last debate? I think he’ll defend against those charges just fine.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM

I used to think you had more class than you do.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I live in Ronulan central. Save it.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Did you listen to Romney at the last debate? I think he’ll defend against those charges just fine.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:25 PM

You’re forgetting that when it comes to liberal smear tactics, Newt may be good, but he’s still a noob compared to Obama and the media.

Give it time and Mitt’s finished.

Aizen on January 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Nah-it will still be a loss.
Go Santorum.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM

GASP you are for Santorum?

*picks self off of floor*

gophergirl on January 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

Herman Cain thinks the Tampa Bay Buccaneers had a lot of “wins” last season as well.

But then Herman Cain is the Raheem Morris of candidates anyway.

NoDonkey on January 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM

You’re forgetting that when it comes to liberal smear tactics, Newt may be good, but he’s still a noob compared to Obama and the media.

Give it time and Mitt’s finished.

Aizen on January 30, 2012 at 1:28 PM

No doubt it will be close, but I don’t give the other three a chance at all. It’s not like we’ve got all that much to choose from. What they will smear Mitt with will be the same they smear any Republican.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM

If Newt flops (he will) then he should back out and let Santy have a go against Mitt. Only fair since Newt called on Santy to drop out after New Hampshire.

Swerve22 on January 30, 2012 at 1:33 PM

[W]e need a candidate that appeals to more than just conservatives. If that’s the case, Ron Paul actually has the broadest appeal across the political spectrum and has the greatest chance of unifying the country behind the principles of liberty.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM

The political spectrum is a continuum, and, if you go far enough in either direction, the far right meets the far left. That’s the land of Ron Paul.

Syzygy on January 30, 2012 at 1:36 PM

The important number is the combined Santorum-Gingrich total.

THAT is what is important because one of them will jump out to prevent Romney from getting to the minimum needed to win the Primary outright before the convention.

And whoever of those two jumps out will bring their delegates with them to the convention anyway.

At the convention, ballots will then be taken.

And, as they are taken, the non-Romney vote will coalesce to probably either Newt or Rick in the end.

I just do not see the Paul supporters voting for Romney at the convention.

This is getting exciting. I’m glad the new rules make it interesting.

This is actually going to go significantly beyond Super Tuesday and into April.

KirknBurker on January 30, 2012 at 1:36 PM

The political spectrum is a continuum, and, if you go far enough in either direction, the far right meets the far left. That’s the land of Ron Paul.

Syzygy on January 30, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Exactly!

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:38 PM

The political spectrum is a continuum, and, if you go far enough in either direction, the far right meets the far left. That’s the land of Ron Paul.

Syzygy on January 30, 2012 at 1:36 PM

If you’ve read history you know that the far left is socialist/Marxist and the far right is corporatist/fascist. Ron Paul is neither of those things. The extremes of the political spectrum both support big, authoritarian government, while the center wants smaller government and liberty.

You’re right that that the far left and the far right see eye to eye on a lot of things, though, one example being Obamacare and Romneycare are nearly identical.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:43 PM

GASP you are for Santorum?

*picks self off of floor*

gophergirl on January 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I’m for Perry-but that won’t happen.
Newt’s gotten to be too much for me.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 30, 2012 at 1:45 PM

When I was a high school kid on the cross country team, one of my friends and teammates was a guy who was state-ranked then and who later, when he was in college on a scholarship, tried out for the Olympics. He didn’t make the Olympics, unfortunately, but he came close. Anyway, every meet I’d be looking at my friend’s back as he raced away. Didn’t like that much, so I worked out harder and more often, yet still lost–mainly because my friend was evidently working out harder and more often, too. I won a few second and third place ribbons myself, but didn’t delude myself into thinking I won anything more than second or third place.

One can ‘manage expectations’ until the end of time, but 2nd place is not winning. 2nd place is losing. The person coming in 2nd place knows this most of all. If everyone wins, no one does.

troyriser_gopftw on January 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Herman Cain’s unconventional endorsement is…
Endorsements!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM

The Tea Party movement is false.

rubberneck on January 30, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Actually, it’s you that is false.

FL SurveyUSA: Romney leads Gingrich 32-30 among Tea Partiers, 36-30 among very conservatives, 42-24 among conservatives, 42-22 among the college educated, 44-21 among moderates.

Newt can’t even win the Tea Party, nor can he win conservatives.

haner on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Try to use your brain. TEA partiers are not followers. As far as your FL survey goes, once you get outside of the tea party zone, you’re liable to get lots of establishment types who vote getalong.

Most tea partiers do not participate in surveys, which is why Tea Party Patriots conducted the poll of their own member orgs. (full disclosure – my wife is a state co-ordinator for TPP)

The TPP polling was from a closed members-only conference call that happens every week. As a spokesperson for Tacoma Narrows Tea Party, I can state that no one ever told us that the results would be made public. Yet they were. What has come of that is what I feared might happen – the LSM polling parrots are now asking participants whether they identify as a tea partier.

All of this MSM polling is crap. Even moreso if it claims to have anything relevant to say about tea party.

platypus on January 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM

platypus on January 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM

The worst reliable indicators of actual voting are straw polls, which is what you are describing.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM

troyriser_gopftw on January 30, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Oh, so that’s why they say an athlete “lost the silver” in the Olympics? OK, thanks for clearing that up. *eyeroll*

Christien on January 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Note that Cain didn’t say coming in second place is first place.

Christien on January 30, 2012 at 1:57 PM

politics ain’t beanbag.. so is Mitt timid, or is he effective at destroying the competition?

gatorboy on January 30, 2012 at 1:08 PM

My problem with Mitt isn’t his timidity. Obviously he is willing to fight and fight hard for what he beleives in.

To me, it is quite clear that what he believes in is Mitt as President. Conservatism? See no evidence of that. (Care to provide any?)

makattak on January 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM

The best way to re-elect Obama is to only care what conservatives think. Conservatives my out number liberals, but we are not the majority,

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:10 PM

You’re including yourself in the “conservative” category but you don’t care what they think? That’s a laugh.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 1:17 PM

..you were a little incautious of your interpretation of CA Refugee’s words. He said “to ONLY care what conservatives think”. He did NOT say he didn’t care.

Big diff.

The War Planner on January 30, 2012 at 1:59 PM

At least Paul and Santorum, (especially Paul), are authentic people that speak from the heart rather than from the focus group results.

FloatingRock on January 30, 2012 at 12:56 PM

Except maybe when Paul is trying to explain what he may-or may not-have written in his newsletter which he may-or may not-have edited or which he may-or may not- have even seen.

Betenoire on January 30, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Herman Cain’s unconventional endorsement is…
Endorsements!

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 30, 2012 at 1:49 PM

..I see what you did there. Very funny.

The War Planner on January 30, 2012 at 2:02 PM

The worst reliable indicators of actual voting are straw polls, which is what you are describing.

CaliforniaRefugee on January 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM

True to a point but the purpose of TPP polling is for the spokespersons (Mark Meckler & Jenny Beth Martin) to speak accurately when describing the moods of the member orgs. I was opposed to having the TPP allow the candidates to address the group but I was in the minority.

The actual question asked was not who would you vote for but rather based on what you heard who do you support. Not quite the same.

platypus on January 30, 2012 at 2:05 PM


Herman Cain: Finishing second in Florida would be a “win” for Gingrich

Indeed. It would be “winning” in the Charlie Sheen sense of the word.

If 2nd place is “winning” I don’t really care how many states Newton Leroy Gingrich “wins.”

rogaineguy on January 30, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Oh, so that’s why they say an athlete “lost the silver” in the Olympics? OK, thanks for clearing that up. *eyeroll*

Christien on January 30, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Clearly you’ve never competed for anything, have you? The definition of losing is not winning. 2nd place is losing since obviously someone beat the 2nd place ‘winner’ (and everyone else) to be 1st place. Did you attend one of those lame ‘everybody’s a winner’ schools where no one wins, or what?

Tell you what, rent the movie The Rock and fast-forward to the scene where the character played by Nicholas Cage says to the Sean Connery character, ‘I’ll try’. It might clarify things for you.

Loser.

troyriser_gopftw on January 30, 2012 at 2:55 PM

There are two boxers in a ring. One knocks the other one out. Are they both winners?

Just trying to follow the logic of this ’2nd place wins’ thing, that’s all.

troyriser_gopftw on January 30, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Tea Party Straw Poll in Florida with 35 percent of the vote.

1/3 is all? It appears that MOST of her members prefer someone other than Gingrich.

csdeven on January 30, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Spoken like a candidate who never made it as far as Iowa.

MJBrutus on January 30, 2012 at 4:47 PM

Meanwhile, Gingrich leads in one survey of Florida voters: Today, Jenny Beth Martin of Tea Party Patriots announced that Gingrich leads her organization’s Tea Party Straw Poll in Florida with 35 percent of the vote.

This is the big issue. I thought the tea party was, above all else, a fiscally conservative movement and yet they endorse the only major Republican candidate to attack capitalism.

Way to discredit the movement. I figured ANY of the other three are golden compared to someone who stabs the free market in the back to score cheap political points.

Zybalto on January 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM