Holder informed of Fast & Furious five months before testimony?
posted at 3:15 pm on January 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey
When Eric Holder testified about his knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious on May 3, 2011, he told the House Judiciary Committee that he had only been informed of the operation “a few weeks ago.” Later, Holder amended that to say that it would have been more accurate to call the time period “a couple of months.”
Does five months qualify as “a couple” or “a few weeks”?
Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice dumped documents related to Operation Fast and Furious on congressional officials late Friday night. Central to this document dump is a series of emails showing Holder was informed of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder on the day it happened – December 15, 2010 – and that he was informed the weapons used to kill Terry were from Fast and Furious on the same day.
An email from one official, whose name has been redacted from the document, to now-former Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke reads: “On December 14, 2010, a BORTAC agent working in the Nogales, AZ AOR was shot. The agent was conducting Border Patrol operations 18 miles north of the international boundary when he encountered [redacted word] unidentified subjects. Shots were exchanged resulting in the agent being shot. At this time, the agent is being transported to an area where he can be air lifted to an emergency medical center.”
That email was sent at 2:31 a.m. on the day Terry was shot. One hour later, a follow-up email read: “Our agent has passed away.”
Burke forwarded those two emails to Holder’s then-deputy chief of staff Monty Wilkinson later that morning, adding that the incident was “not good” because it happened “18 miles w/in” the border.
Wilkinson responded to Burke shortly thereafter and said the incident was “tragic.” “I’ve alerted the AG [Holder], the Acting DAG, Lisa, etc.”
So far, it just sounds like a normal notification of an agent death — until one reads an e-mail from later in the same day:
Then, later that day, Burke followed up with Wilkinson after Burke discovered from officials whose names are redacted that the guns used to kill Terry were from Fast and Furious. “The guns found in the desert near the murder BP officer connect back to the investigation we were going to talk about – they were AK-47s purchased at a Phoenix gun store,” Burke wrote to Wilkinson.
“I’ll call tomorrow,” Wilkinson responded.
It’s amazing what one can find in Friday night document dumps, isn’t it? Small wonder that the DoJ didn’t want this released during the week, when the newspapers and media could draw more eyes to it. This e-mail utterly negates the notion that Holder had no idea about Fast and Furious when Terry was murdered with weapons sent over the border by the ATF.
Could this open another line of Fast and Furious investigation, this time into potential perjury charges against Holder? Holder was probably vague enough to avoid a legal finding of perjury in his initial testimony, but he clearly intended to deceive Congress in that testimony. Either he knew about F&F when notified of Terry’s death, or didn’t bother to check with his own deputy chief of staff to follow up on the matter.
Holder will appear on Tuesday to testify before the House Oversight Committee and its chair, Rep. Darrell Issa. The only thing that might overshadow this new revelation would be Issa demanding to know why a senior DoJ official planned to take the 5th before the committee.
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Holder is guilty of murder
Kini on January 29, 2012 at 3:17 PM
I for one am SHOCKED that a man who represents terrorists pro-bono would lie to congress.
Mord on January 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Holder apparently is in a contest to out-perjure Just-Us Kagan.
viking01 on January 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM
Holder was informed, but he really wasn’t paying attention, so he didn’t really commit perjury.
Oh, and BTW, his critics are racists.
PackerBronco on January 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM
He lied to Issa’s committee when he said he heard about FF a couple weeks ago. Will GOP do anything about it, or is the fix already in?
Akzed on January 29, 2012 at 3:19 PM
And then demanding that Holder fire him.
de rigueur on January 29, 2012 at 3:21 PM
The only way to get rid of Holder is to get rid of BHO…
d1carter on January 29, 2012 at 3:22 PM
I can think of someone who would take that worthless snake holder to jail, in pink undies, in a heartbeat! It seems bho and his whole team are ‘above the law’ in their eyes and dang dare anyone to say otherwise? They ALL need to be in prison, IMO!
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letget on January 29, 2012 at 3:22 PM
There should be no question mark in your title Ed.
The days of giving this situation any benefit of the doubt are over. Eric Holder is guilty of high crimes, and he needs to be prosecuted and incarcerated. If the GOP is unwilling to see this to fruition, these hearings were never anything more than theater.
IronDioPriest on January 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM
GOP has much more important stuff to do, like arranging
filth-flinging festivals on TV starring GOP candidates
burrata on January 29, 2012 at 3:23 PM
Not reported is the Friday executive order, harsher than previous internet control.
Obama signed permission for the Chinese to remove internet content, with no legal recourse…news…missing in action.
On topic – crooks, thugs and capos rule.
Schadenfreude on January 29, 2012 at 3:24 PM
Eh, this will end like it usually ends, with a resignation to pursue a career in the private sector. These fuds never really go after one another, they just work towards ousting individuals from office; meanwhile their victims are still ruined, maimed, or dead.
I hate politicians.
Bishop on January 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM
Par for the course… and an infinite supply of mulligans apparently.
Other than the lauded by Democrats miscreants that believe construction through total destruction is the right Rx for America — Is the vast majority of this country in a coma, or what?
FlatFoot on January 29, 2012 at 3:26 PM
Imagine that. A donkey party person lies. Oh, the horror of it all.
Boehner should be primaried if he doesn’t initiate impeachment proceedings against this turd. Of course there are other reasons Boehner should be primaried but this one has murder underneath of everything else.
platypus on January 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/01/27/20120127dennis-burke-fast-furious-scandal-career.html
William Amos on January 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM
The guy who took the Fifth is quitting DOJ, but Issa is now going after the man’s assistant, who might know just as much.
Wethal on January 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM
Obligatory.
Akzed on January 29, 2012 at 3:32 PM
Malignant or incompetent. Choose one. And no other choices can exist.
rogerb on January 29, 2012 at 3:32 PM
They all knew including the president.
Conservative4Ever on January 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM
Unfortunately, it would be out of line for Issa to demand that whoever is taking the 5th, explain why is taking the 5th. That would probably be self-incriminating, which would negate the whole taking the 5th thing.
The good news is that everyone knows that taking the 5th translates into “I’m guilty of something and I am not helping you build a case”
Also, glad to see Issa bringing up the fact that while the death of the border patrol agent is unacceptable and just awful, it is likely that 300 Mexicans, most of them innocent bystanders, have been killed by this disaster.
And BTW, a couple of months has always meant 2. A couple is 2 people. ‘He has hit a couple of pop-flies, means 2 pop flies.
smorrow66 on January 29, 2012 at 3:33 PM
Yes he is.
And TREASON.
listens2glenn on January 29, 2012 at 3:34 PM
Taking the fifth could also be a plea for immunity.
Akzed on January 29, 2012 at 3:34 PM
True dat. Holder is the firewall protecting Obama.
Holder can’t be thrown under the bus, as Holder might flip and implicate Obama to cut a deal. If Obama is defeated, I’ve wondered if he’d pardon Holder at the last minute, but that would mean Holder couldn’t take the Fifth. If Holder lied about Obama, a pardon would not cover new perjury.
Wethal on January 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM
WHY, WHY aren’t those running bringing this and everything else bho and team has and are doing now to the public in their debates? If they get a question on something, turn it around to put this in their answer. For the love of God, stop this total meltdown on each other, GO AFTER bho AND ALL HE HAS BEEN UP TO! If those running agree with what bho has been doing, WELL people… I’m getting to old to vote again to help MY Republic. We have the last chance this time, IMO.
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letget on January 29, 2012 at 3:36 PM
Every question that Newt or Mitt gets asked, from now until Nov., should be answered then add a comment about F&F or the lack of budget from the Senate democrats. Everytime.
Flange on January 29, 2012 at 3:37 PM
Sorry, B, it would be bad juju for the election if Holder goes in disgrace. So, stonewalling will continue, and barring some reaaaaaaly direct link such as “AG ordered Fast & Furious guns to walk” dated sometime in 2010, this resignation will happen after Nov. 6, if at all. After all, he’s indicated he is working a “progressive” agenda with no apologies. Champion of the people and all that.
eeyore on January 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM
I do hope Issa asks Holder if he feels responsible for the Mexican deaths, and if he’s going to apologize to Mexico or to the victims’ families.
Wethal on January 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM
Issa should go after disbarment as well.
slickwillie2001 on January 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM
i hope everyone knows that their strategy will eventually work. I’ve already heard ‘news’ stories about how guns that were purchased in AZ guns stores killed people.
Really, that’s all that barry et al. need…guns were bought from AZ gun stores and used to kill people in Mexico.
In a couple of years that will be the memory…and barry will cite the many instances of guns being bought in gun stores to kill Mexicans.
Really, agitprop is not hard..you just have to have patience.
r keller on January 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM
But if the fix is in, they would behave as they currently are.
Akzed on January 29, 2012 at 3:39 PM
and the spilled blood of Brian Terry continues to cry out from the dusty ground of Arizona for justice.
It has been nearly 14 mos since Brian Terry was murdered. Eric Holder knew it was related to F&F that same damn day.
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 3:40 PM
quick, somebody get a blox of kleenex to john boehner….
GhoulAid on January 29, 2012 at 3:40 PM
he was informed on the same day
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he was informed on the same day
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 3:42 PM
this is such a great scandal…the MFM is missing out. when did politics get more important than ratings?
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 3:43 PM
energy bunny of scandals right ‘ere
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Really?
Repub leadership is so friggin’ week, that they can’t even take care of this ignorant, over-his-head, dangerous, libtard, purjerer?
Yet they want to dictate who I vote for.
This is exactly why Boner, McLame and the rest of the establishment morons can kiss my hairy conservative @ss.
Tim_CA on January 29, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Had to get to the 15th of 16 pages of Comments to get these gems:
Del Dolemonte on January 29, 2012 at 3:48 PM
Del Dolemonte on January 29, 2012 at 3:48 PM
heh. To add to your collection folder of “Stupid stuff that libs say when confronted with the truth”????
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 3:49 PM
The DOJ official who is taking the 5th quit this week so is no longer a DOJ official.
William Amos on January 29, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Response from AG Holder & Current Occupant of Oval office:
Don’t get used to such conveniences.
Fox News:
Justice Department changes inquiry response procedures to Congress after Fast and Furious
heroyalwhyness on January 29, 2012 at 3:51 PM
oh the tangled web we weave when we first try to deceive.
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 3:52 PM
libs are funny…and dumb
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/29/justice-department-changes-inquiry-responses-to-congress-after-fast-and-furious/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1ksnEzCRB
now THAT is rich coming from the DOJ…..truly rich indeed.
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 3:54 PM
Too bad the GOP mainliners are too busy destroying their base instead of going after the real enemy: Barack and his minions.
SouthernGent on January 29, 2012 at 3:55 PM
more shat from the DoodooOJ…
nailed it!
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 3:57 PM
What a gross serries of events.
Unfortunately I don’t think any of it will matter.
Liberals scoff at the rule of law yet bow at its altar when Republicans appear to have compromised to it.
I hope Americans wake up in time…
litebeam1 on January 29, 2012 at 3:57 PM
I think it is time for Issa to stop screwing around…
… Impeach the son of a bit%h, then file criminal charges!
Seven Percent Solution on January 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM
..hmmmmmm. Lessseeeee, 4-1/3 x 5 = 21-2/3 weeks.
Yep that sure seems to me like “a few” just like 20,000 jobs seems like “not many”.
The War Planner on January 29, 2012 at 3:58 PM
If that was my boy that was killed and if anyone from the public was allowed in the hearings,I would be present in a heart beat.He would be happy to resign in disgrace versus facing my wrath.
hillsoftx on January 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM
nothing more less than impeachment for this criminal! The DOJ is now the department of injustice
sadsushi on January 29, 2012 at 4:00 PM
Holder hates America. Right back atcha Eric. F____FACE.
sbvft contributor on January 29, 2012 at 4:02 PM
don’t forget to vote for mittens in the fall. he and rest of the republican party have showed you that they won’t tolerate this. ha….ha…..ha….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
GhoulAid on January 29, 2012 at 4:04 PM
And you expect them to do what exactly, In our system of devided goverment both parties have to agree to make this happen. The man runs the DOJ? Do you expect the Democrats to do anything, they have been calpable in all of the excesses of this administration.
whbates on January 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM
Only slightly amused at the naivete on display when folks hold out hope that Holder or Obama will ever face an consequences for this.
Midas on January 29, 2012 at 4:08 PM
No; he’d continue to lie, the Democrats would continue to lie, and he might even wink and smirk at you on his way out of the courtroom knowing that nothing’s going to happen to him at all.
Seriously, ponder this guy and their ilk for another moment or two – do you think your ‘wrath’ would have them quaking in fear and prefer to resign first?
Seriously? If so, you don’t know your enemy very well at all.
Midas on January 29, 2012 at 4:10 PM
For reference – Obama knew of this debacle on or before March 22, 2011:
What Has Obama done in the meantime to “find out and well hold somebody accountable”?
Colbyjack on January 29, 2012 at 4:11 PM
Of course, when these docs are dumped on Fridays, and the lame stream media decides not to report it—-IT NEVER HAPPENED!
Rovin on January 29, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Oh, they’ll face consequences all right. It may not be in federal prison or as a result of impeachment, but consequences they shall face either way. God loves justice and justice, as well as vengeance, belongs to him alone. Men such as this can only delay justice, but it comes. OJ Simpson is a good example, he thought himself pretty smooth and smart, had a great couple of lawyers. He delayed justice for a few years…loved him some golf in the meantime, but his arrogance caught up with him, and he is rotting all the same where he should’ve been in the first place.
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Some very good articles that refute that kind of ‘Reasoning’ in those comments you found:
Colbyjack on January 29, 2012 at 4:16 PM
F&F just got furioser…someone said that, I thought I’d repeat it for hilarity’s sake.
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Holder still has his job because he’s exactly the kind of lying POS that Obama likes to surround himself with. Lives have been lost because of this clown.
cicerone on January 29, 2012 at 4:18 PM
Yep, that’s the talk here in Montana.. No way these criminals are going to resign and fade away without being held accountable like you or Ii would surely be if it were us. The people are fed up with the above the law crap.
Keemo on January 29, 2012 at 4:20 PM
F&F just got furioser…someone said that, I thought I’d repeat it for hilarity’s sake.
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Heh.
Who’s even angrier than Nick Fury?…… “Nick Furiouser”
Tim_CA on January 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Holder still has his job because our media is a part of the DNC mafia and are afraid for their lives if they were to report this story or any other story they have been told to leave alone. The Democrat Party is the mafia in this world we live in.
Keemo on January 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
I wonder what Mexico thinks???
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 4:22 PM
What the heck is a Fast & Furious? – Sincerely,
Mainstream Media
Huckabye-Romney on January 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM
If Mexico deliberately sold arms that they knew would be used to kill Americans, would that be a declaration of War?
Key West Reader on January 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM
A complete list of fast and furious links, beginning at Day One.
Key West Reader on January 29, 2012 at 4:28 PM
Not overtly, but it would certainly be a casus belli.
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM
DOES ANY OF THIS REALLY MATTER?
We have a President who violates the constitution on a daily basis – and the only thing the establishment GOP will do is shed crocodile tears and lament about the situation – THEY WILL NOT EXERCISE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY OF CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT.
The ONLY thing the establishment GOP does is hold hearings and cry on national TV and lament the fact that they aren’t in charge.
THEY ARE … IN THE HOUSE.
Ah but! Oh if you will only elect us a Republican President from the establishment! The establishment ONLY mind you – any of those unwashed grassroots Tea Party guys will only lead us to ruin! Elect ONLY an establishment Republican as President – and then elect establishment Republicans to the Senate. And then, as long we can take back every single seat in Congress – we can DO SOMETHING!! But mind you – EVERY SINGLE DEMOCRAT HAS TO BE DEFEATED! IF ONE REMAINS IN DC – THEY WILL BE TOO POWERFUL for the establishment to do anything about!
I’m so tired of these Pu$$ys.
HondaV65 on January 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM
You think “our media” could avoid reporting that the Mexican Feds are indicting Eric Holder for crimes against the nation? Or, is El Presidente in the same bed with these criminals?
Rovin on January 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM
Operation Gun Runner was funded by the Stimulus Package in 2009
Key West Reader on January 29, 2012 at 4:29 PM
You all need to cheer up and remember people like those running the Obama/Holder Justice Department will soon be making important decisions about all of your medical care. Smile, what do you have to worry about?
Only in the federal government run by democrats could someone like Eric Holder run a major business/law office manage to testify that he really did not know much about an employee of the Federal Government being murdered, with weapons supplied by the federal government, and the people in the MSM basically ignore the matter.
Am I the only one who thinks Fast and Furious was worse than Abu Ghraib of even Scooter Libby….ooops not Scooter Libby uh, uh Collin Powell’s guy leaking Valerie Plame…..
DVPTexFla on January 29, 2012 at 4:31 PM
I can’t wait until Pelosi has to go for her annual check up at something that resembles your local DMV office. Complete with golden toofed receptionists that hand you a slip with a number on it.
Oh, wait. I forgot. Pelosi won’t be subjected to that kind of shame. She’s too important.
Key West Reader on January 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM
.
I still wonder why we had a lavish state dinner for Mexico. I wonder what the Mexican president knew and when he knew it regarding this “plan”. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks that a conversation such as…”Hey, if you help us with our gun problem, we’ll help you with your immigrant problem *wink *wink…” Mighta happened over a few cervezas—a little talkie about US gun policy, US-Mexico border policy, North American economics, immigracion’, drug traffickers unfriendly to the Mexican government and voila’….you’ve got yourself a lil’ foreign entanglement problem tailor made for a politician looking for a lil latino support and a way to stick it to the bitter clingers in a big way. Consider the case of the drug trafficker who testified that he had “free run” of the USA for 3-5 years and was surprised when he got arrested.
things that make you go Hmmmmm?
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 4:36 PM
Ben Stiller in Mystery Men
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Oh Mexico will be fine , their politicians will shut up as soon as amnesty for illegals is announced and Obama finds a way to transfer a few billion US taxpayer dollars to their numbered Swiss bank accounts , as compensation and apology from Americans !!
burrata on January 29, 2012 at 4:38 PM
Blamed Bush?
Midas on January 29, 2012 at 4:39 PM
What did El Presidente Downgrade Know and when did he know it?
Chip on January 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM
Huge mistake when they let Holder get away with that, “I only heard about it in the past couple weeks” BS. They should have pushed him right then for his definition of a couple weeks – 2, 4, no more than 8?
PatMac on January 29, 2012 at 4:41 PM
a couple weeks y’all! you know…five months
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Who gives a crap.
Newt had an affair a decade ago and Romney didn’t report a Swiss bank account.
Those are the real issues that conservatives care about, not Obama destroying the country.
Priorities.
Spliff Menendez on January 29, 2012 at 4:47 PM
Accessory after the fact on Terry and co-conspirator on any murders committed with any weapons purchased after the date of the e-mail.
talkingpoints on January 29, 2012 at 4:48 PM
tru dat spliff. there’s way more important things than the socialist revolution.
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Perjury, maladministration and, at best (for Holder), negligent manslaughter.
Impeach him and prosecute him. That there have been 200+ deaths because of Holder should warrant at least 15 years.
I’m curious, do the RICO statutes prevent applying them against government officials? Quite a few people had to have been involved in this law-breaking for it to even happen and as many of these people as possible should be netted and prosecuted.
Dusty on January 29, 2012 at 4:50 PM
Can you imagine the bitching from the left if Ashcroft or Gonzalez had been involved in this type of fiasco? We would have non stop town halls on CNN and MSNBC decrying the injustice. The victims families would be household names by now. Instead, since this is Obabma’s AG, we get a big meh from the media.
bomberman on January 29, 2012 at 4:50 PM
media: meh
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 4:52 PM
It really annoys me that Rep. Darrell Issa did not have the presence of mind to pin down Holder to more precision about the “few weeks”. “No more than a month ago?” he could have asked Holder and Holder would probably have confirmed that – then he could be nailed for perjury on this last information. Amazing that the vague “few weeks” response can get him off the hook. Would that have gotten an ordinary citizen off the hook? Disgusting.
That Holder hasn’t resigned by now only reinforces my conviction that the Fast & Furious idea was Obama’s and Holder was only following orders and must now try to cover for Obama who figures enough of the public can easily be fooled.
Chessplayer on January 29, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Does anyone again wonder why the White House screamed at Sharyl Atkisson?? This is why. Holder is the praetorian guard. He’s to stand in the gap and hold what he’s got against the vanguard of justice. There is no other way to act in such a criminal fashion, he has no choice. He’s acting like the felon with his face on the cop car and his hands behind his back saying “I didn’t do nothin….I don’t know nothin’”
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:00 PM
WHERE IS THE F’N MEDIA ON THIS? DAILY, UNTIL THERE ARE ANSWERS!
I like the idea that every time some moderator asks a question about condoms or taxes, they ask a question back, about F & F and loans to JugEar’s green energy bundlers.
KOOLAID2 on January 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM
If Holder knew that same day, then it is time to ask again…….
What did Mr. Obama know and when did he know it?
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:03 PM
So true… these 2 are partners in crime…
vamp57mw on January 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM
HOW COME NO ONE IS INSENSED?
KOOLAID2 on January 29, 2012 at 5:07 PM
If it was you, me, or Ed Morrissey that sold a bunch of AKs to narcotraffickers and one of them ended up killing a Border Patrol Agent, then we would’ve been arrested on Tuesday, tried on Wednesday, convicted on Thursday—no question about it.
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:08 PM
hard to get all incensed when you spell it wrong….
just go streak on the quad and it’ll all work out./
ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:10 PM
I’m incensed koolaid, darn incensed
DHChron on January 29, 2012 at 5:12 PM
Many on the Left are giving Holder and O’bama a Pass on this Fake Scandal, simply because they have been led to believe that F & F was an offshoot of a totally different program started by Chimpy Bush.
Of course that is totally false, but once a Lie is repeated often enough…
Oops, forgot this:
Del Dolemonte on January 29, 2012 at 5:16 PM
He’s guilty of murder because he was a party to the conspiracy BEFORE the death of Agent Terry and the Mexican citizens.
He and the Emperor must be charged and jailed for this.
dogsoldier on January 29, 2012 at 5:17 PM
Dear GOP – in the next debate how about you talk about this & nothing else?
batterup on January 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM
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