Holder informed of Fast & Furious five months before testimony?

posted at 3:15 pm on January 29, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

When Eric Holder testified about his knowledge of Operation Fast and Furious on May 3, 2011, he told the House Judiciary Committee that he had only been informed of the operation “a few weeks ago.”  Later, Holder amended that to say that it would have been more accurate to call the time period “a couple of months.”

Does five months qualify as “a couple” or “a few weeks”?

Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice dumped documents related to Operation Fast and Furious on congressional officials late Friday night. Central to this document dump is a series of emails showing Holder was informed of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder on the day it happened – December 15, 2010 – and that he was informed the weapons used to kill Terry were from Fast and Furious on the same day.

An email from one official, whose name has been redacted from the document, to now-former Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke reads: “On December 14, 2010, a BORTAC agent working in the Nogales, AZ AOR was shot. The agent was conducting Border Patrol operations 18 miles north of the international boundary when he encountered [redacted word] unidentified subjects. Shots were exchanged resulting in the agent being shot. At this time, the agent is being transported to an area where he can be air lifted to an emergency medical center.”

That email was sent at 2:31 a.m. on the day Terry was shot. One hour later, a follow-up email read: “Our agent has passed away.”

Burke forwarded those two emails to Holder’s then-deputy chief of staff Monty Wilkinson later that morning, adding that the incident was “not good” because it happened “18 miles w/in” the border.

Wilkinson responded to Burke shortly thereafter and said the incident was “tragic.” “I’ve alerted the AG [Holder], the Acting DAG, Lisa, etc.”

So far, it just sounds like a normal notification of an agent death — until one reads an e-mail from later in the same day:

Then, later that day, Burke followed up with Wilkinson after Burke discovered from officials whose names are redacted that the guns used to kill Terry were from Fast and Furious. “The guns found in the desert near the murder BP officer connect back to the investigation we were going to talk about – they were AK-47s purchased at a Phoenix gun store,” Burke wrote to Wilkinson.

“I’ll call tomorrow,” Wilkinson responded.

It’s amazing what one can find in Friday night document dumps, isn’t it?  Small wonder that the DoJ didn’t want this released during the week, when the newspapers and media could draw more eyes to it.  This e-mail utterly negates the notion that Holder had no idea about Fast and Furious when Terry was murdered with weapons sent over the border by the ATF.

Could this open another line of Fast and Furious investigation, this time into potential perjury charges against Holder?  Holder was probably vague enough to avoid a legal finding of perjury in his initial testimony, but he clearly intended to deceive Congress in that testimony.  Either he knew about F&F when notified of Terry’s death, or didn’t bother to check with his own deputy chief of staff to follow up on the matter.

Holder will appear on Tuesday to testify before the House Oversight Committee and its chair, Rep. Darrell Issa.  The only thing that might overshadow this new revelation would be Issa demanding to know why a senior DoJ official planned to take the 5th before the committee.


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Move along folks, nothing to see here. Conservative blogs and conservative radio is as far as this story is going.

newportmike on January 29, 2012 at 5:19 PM

One thing I still dont understand is where did this whole idea start and who gave the initial orders?

newportmike on January 29, 2012 at 5:21 PM

The fix is in, Holder ain’t going nowhere, the guy is an integeral part of Obama’s MO to undermine the Constitution. The Republicans led by a spineless Boehner won’t rock the boat in an election year. As the Speaker, Boehner sure is a very quiet man.

Sandybourne on January 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Does anyone here remember how the Demorats went after GWB and Gonzales
for doing something that was totally legal? Where are they now? Those upholders of our laws? God, they make me sick.

inspectorudy on January 29, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Obama knew. This was a set up to legislate stricter gun regulations.

“I will not pretend that this is Mexico’s responsibility alone. The demand for these drugs in the United States is what’s helping keep these cartels in business,” Mr. Obama said at a joint news conference with Mr. Calderon. “This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.”

FactCheck April 17, 2009:

On his recently concluded first visit to Mexico as president, a week after telling Europeans that his country had been at times arrogant, President Barack Obama blamed his own country for providing 90% of Mexico’s recovered crime guns.

According to a report by the independent FactCheck.org this afternoon, that’s incorrect. By a, uh, long shot.

FactCheck later said it couldn’t be proven. Yeah. I think they had a stern talking to by the White House.

Fallon on January 29, 2012 at 5:32 PM

One thing I still don’t understand is where did this whole idea start and who gave the initial orders?

newportmike on January 29, 2012 at 5:21 PM

If they had someone the Downgrade Administration could have credibly thrown under the bus, they would have done so by now.

That should point to the person who ordered this travesty to being ‘irreplaceable’ so to speak..

Chip on January 29, 2012 at 5:32 PM

It’s amazing what one can find in Friday night document dumps, isn’t it? Small wonder that the DoJ didn’t want this released during the week, when the newspapers and media could draw more eyes to it.

I don’t know why they worry about dumping stuff on Friday, the newspapers and media don’t really want to draw more eyes to it, so they could do it any day of the week.

Night Owl on January 29, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Obama knew. This was a set up to legislate stricter gun regulations.

“I will not pretend that this is Mexico’s responsibility alone. The demand for these drugs in the United States is what’s helping keep these cartels in business,” Mr. Obama said at a joint news conference with Mr. Calderon. “This war is being waged with guns purchased not here, but in the United States. More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our shared border.”

FactCheck April 17, 2009:

On his recently concluded first visit to Mexico as president, a week after telling Europeans that his country had been at times arrogant, President Barack Obama blamed his own country for providing 90% of Mexico’s recovered crime guns.

According to a report by the independent FactCheck.org this afternoon, that’s incorrect. By a, uh, long shot.

FactCheck later said it couldn’t be proven. Yeah. I think they had a stern talking to by the White House.

Fallon on January 29, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Do you find it curious that one of the Downgrade Administration’s denial of this scandal is that they aren’t going to use it to call for more gun control – at the same time using the crisis to call for more gun control?

Chip on January 29, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Do you find it curious that one of the Downgrade Administration’s denial of this scandal is that they aren’t going to use it to call for more gun control – at the same time using the crisis to call for more gun control?

Chip on January 29, 2012 at 5:41 PM

Curious? I find it downright shocking! Shocking! /

Fallon on January 29, 2012 at 5:43 PM

Do you find it curious that one of the Downgrade Administration’s denial of this scandal is that they aren’t going to use it to call for more gun control – at the same time using the crisis to call for more gun control?

Chip on January 29, 2012 at 5:41 PM

I’ve got to hand it to them. Even the death of one of their fellow federal workers at the hands of their own ill-conceived plans isn’t enough to dissuade them from their delusions of grandeur.

ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM

How bad is all of this? The fact that the lame stream media will NEVER report this story and it’s factual details is all we really need to know. It’s REAL BAD, and they know it. It would spell the E-N-D of Obama. There is no way they will allow that to happen.

Abu Ghraib wasn’t half the problem that this deal is and they were all over that, hoping to connect the dots to Bush.

They know F&F goes straight to the top (based on Obama’s own speeches about US guns in Mexico), and I would guess they know that if Obama throws Holder under the bus, that Holder will take Obama down with him. Solution? Pretend there is no story.

How else would there still be no reporting on this almost a year after this starting coming out?

goflyers on January 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM

Holder will just tell more lies, because he “won’t believe he’s lying”, therefore in his eyes he will be telling the truth.

This SNAKE should be impeached and thrown from office.

GarandFan on January 29, 2012 at 6:05 PM

This ought to be a lesson for members of congress that they need to ask better questions during their hearings. The question shouldn’t be “How long ago did you know?” but rather “Did you know more than one month ago? More than two months ago?” They need to put the attorney general in a position where he has to either admit uncomfortable truths or tell an outright lie.

Mahna Mahna on January 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Sheriff Arpaio should be his next boss.

And an orange jumpsuit his next outfit.

profitsbeard on January 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Why isn’t Holder being forced to resign?

ObamatheMessiah on January 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

<blockquoteI do hope Issa asks Holder if he feels responsible for the Mexican deaths, and if he’s going to apologize to Mexico or to the victims’ families.

Wethal on January 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

He will either refuse or will claim their deaths were all to further the cause of restricting gun owner rights!

smorrow66 on January 29, 2012 at 6:15 PM

<blockquoteI do hope Issa asks Holder if he feels responsible for the Mexican deaths, and if he’s going to apologize to Mexico or to the victims’ families.

Wethal on January 29, 2012 at 3:38 PM

He will either refuse or will claim their deaths were all to further the cause of restricting gun owner rights!

Sorry for the double posting. My OCD kicked in when I saw the first one.

smorrow66 on January 29, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Is Burke still sitting by the phone waiting for the call from Wilkinson? The way these people cover for each other is amazing. Holder hopes to keep pushing this to the back burner until it’s a forgotten story.

Kissmygrits on January 29, 2012 at 6:24 PM

is there some reason this turd isn’t impeached yet?

D.Mockracy on January 29, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Why isn’t Holder being forced to resign?

ObamatheMessiah on January 29, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Because Congress approves. Is part of the problem, or is completely castrated at this point. Its hard to decide which. My personal belief now is that Congress Approves of F&F and does not want to prosecute anyone.

However, thats an exceedingly dangerous game to play, since Holders power to remain in office will ultimately make Congress Irrelevant.

orbitalair on January 29, 2012 at 6:39 PM

The nite of the SOTU I said someone should shout “Citizen’s Arrest” & slap the cuffs on Holder right then…..paging Chuck Norris & Sheriff Joe…Book’em Dano!

huskerdiva on January 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Remember this people when you read or hear anything about Fast and Furious: Obama told Sarah Brady of Hand Gun Control Inc. that he was working on gun control from behind the scenes. This goes way beyond Holder, Obamas bloody hands are all over the Fast and Furious scandal, and it should lead to his impeachment. But since most of the media is doing their best to ignore or bury it, and most Americans are more concerned about American Idol, or Survivor, pick the latest reality show, it will be up to conservatives like us to keep our elected leaders feet to the fire to see this scandal to its end.

Beastdogs on January 29, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Looks like a big old established blog like Hot Air could at least give some credit to the small blog guy who takes his own personal time and money to be at the hearings every time and has and will be a large source of the insiders who leak the truth to U.S..

http://www.sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

That link was posted here Friday night with a link to the doc dump at NPR and the DOJ.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 29, 2012 at 7:04 PM

I’ve got to hand it to them. Even the death of one of their fellow federal workers at the hands of their own ill-conceived plans isn’t enough to dissuade them from their delusions of grandeur.

ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Brian Terry is nothing more than collateral damage to Holder and O’Bumbles. An “ends justify the means” situation. Absolutely disgusting but true.

Moose Drool on January 29, 2012 at 7:04 PM

And then demanding that Holder fire him.

de rigueur on January 29, 2012 at 3:21 PM

The guy who took the Fifth is quitting DOJ, but Issa is now going after the man’s assistant, who might know just as much.

Wethal on January 29, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Thank you. You’re right, and I should have caught that. Issa should be demand the resignation or firing of any DOJ employee who pleads the 5th as this domino chain begins to fall.

de rigueur on January 29, 2012 at 7:21 PM

cspan will have to have camera and network connection problems the day up to three DOJ atty’s all do the 5th amendment on camera live.

Then when Holder does his poor copy of Bill Clinton on what “is” is. More need of the msm and cspan etal to edit the whole day off the planet.

The truth must not be seen.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 29, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Then you have the big brave FoxNews editors who together with Bill Oriley and Shawn Hannity make sure all this never gets big coverage even on the supposed fair and balanced media.

It is up to U.S. to make sure justice is done as it is our Constitution they piss on daily.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 29, 2012 at 7:33 PM

I hope Issa is getting the people at the top to testify under oath,then go to the bottom and ask them who gave the orders working there way up. Hopefully someone will sing.

newportmike on January 29, 2012 at 7:37 PM

And in an almost-surely-unrelated story, Holder’s then-Deputy Chief of Staff — Monty Wilkinson — made the move from that position to Principal Deputy Director and Chief of Staff at DOJ’s Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys. While that was likely a promotion on the pay side (it’s a Senior Executive Service job), it’s a very weird move career-wise. Principal Deputy at EOUSA is a lot further down the totem pole from being Deputy Chief of Staff to the AG.

I think Wilkinson was a career DOJ employee already, but still . . . weird. And now he reports to Marshall Jarrett, the guy who used to run the Office of Professional Responsibility until around the time it got slapped down for its sloppy smear attempt on John Yoo and Jay Bybee.

Farragut Jones on January 29, 2012 at 7:41 PM

If I were Issa, I would give Holder an option, come in, under oath, and tell the truth this time, or face impeachment charges. It’s pretty obvious he was, at best, stretching the truth in his previous testimony. It would be worth the effort to get to the truth about this operation and close the investigation.

bflat879 on January 29, 2012 at 7:44 PM

get ‘em issa, no more pussyfooting around, ya hear

cmsinaz on January 29, 2012 at 8:03 PM

get’ em issa, no more mr nice guy….

cmsinaz on January 29, 2012 at 8:04 PM

profitsbeard on January 29, 2012 at 6:10 PM

with pink underwear :)

cmsinaz on January 29, 2012 at 8:05 PM

If I were Issa, I would give Holder an option, come in, under oath, and tell the truth this time, or face impeachment charges…

bflat879 on January 29, 2012 at 7:44 PM

He would laugh in your face, because he knows he has a trump card in his hand, the race card. We’ll never impeach a black president or AG.

slickwillie2001 on January 29, 2012 at 8:12 PM

Being incompetent and corrupt are prerequisites for being in the Obama administration. Why should Holder be any different than the others Obama has chosen to attack our country from within? Being a racist just enhances to his resume.

volsense on January 29, 2012 at 8:22 PM

At the next hearing…..

Holder’s testimony: Frankly, Congressman Issa, even though Monty Wilkinson was my Chief of Staff, I had no confidence in him and did not listen to anything that he told me.

slp on January 29, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Tuesday huh, just so happens there is a primary on the same day? I wonder if they will even let the public know what lies Holder tells. Tuesday will be all about the entry polls, exit polls, what Romney said about Newt.
Issa should call Obie in front of congress offer immunity, then O will hang every one but himself. He knew,and he will never pay, but if. we could just get the truth out of one person the house of cards would fall!

angrymike on January 29, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Holder and Downgrade are laughing at us right now.

shanimal on January 29, 2012 at 9:44 PM

As the Speaker, Boehner sure is a very quiet man.

Sandybourne on January 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Cries a lot too I’ve noticed.

roy_batty on January 30, 2012 at 6:53 AM

Does five months qualify as “a couple” or “a few weeks”?

Sounds more like it qualifies as perjury to Congress to me. I swear this bastard needs to be frog marched out of his office in the mother of all perp walks.

Happy Nomad on January 30, 2012 at 7:24 AM

If I were Issa, I would give Holder an option, come in, under oath, and tell the truth this time, or face impeachment charges.

bflat879 on January 29, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Why should this bastard be given a second chance to tell the truth. He’s the chief legal officer in the United States and has clearly lied under oath already. Time to incarcerate this scumbag until he’s willing to dime out this entire corrupt administration.

Happy Nomad on January 30, 2012 at 7:28 AM

The agent was conducting Border Patrol operations 18 miles north of the international boundary when he encountered [redacted word] unidentified subjects

Any guesses about the redacted word? “Multiple”? “Numerous”? “Heavily-armed”?

They’d probably all fit. There’s a war going on down here, well inside our border, and our side is trying to close its eyes and pretend it’s not happening.

AZCoyote on January 30, 2012 at 7:28 AM

and even more curiouser and furiouser…… great headline by The DC today

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/30/doj-dodges-wont-say-when-holder-knew-of-border-guards-death/

ted c on January 30, 2012 at 7:47 AM

They’d probably all fit. There’s a war going on down here, well inside our border, and our side is trying to close its eyes and pretend it’s not happening.

AZCoyote on January 30, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Were it that simple! The fact of the matter is the jug-eared idiot and his henchmen were using Fast and Furious as an opening salvo in more infringement of the Second Amendment. In short, the government armed the Mexican drug cartels and laundered drug money all so they can justify gun control on the basis of the number of guns flowing across the borders. Nevermind that they were the ones doing the transporting. This is all a very evil political scheme and Obama and Holder deserve jail time for the hundreds killed by the actions of this government.

Happy Nomad on January 30, 2012 at 7:49 AM

If you have an Attorney General who will lie under oath to a Congressional hearing, you don’t have an Attorney General. Holder is indicative of the lies and deceptions that are standard operating procedures of this administration. Their contempt for our country and the laws of the land are election issues that must be brought to the front to expose the the corruption that is rampant in their day-to-day actions.

volsense on January 30, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Perhaps someone should tell Holder “I’m only going to hit you a few times with this baseball bat”………..

GWB on January 30, 2012 at 9:54 AM

I’ve got to hand it to them. Even the death of one of their fellow federal workers at the hands of their own ill-conceived plans isn’t enough to dissuade them from their delusions of grandeur.

ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM

The level of arrogance of this administration knows no bounds

How bad is all of this? The fact that the lame stream media will NEVER report this story and it’s factual details is all we really need to know. It’s REAL BAD, and they know it. It would spell the E-N-D of Obama. There is no way they will allow that to happen.

Abu Ghraib wasn’t half the problem that this deal is and they were all over that, hoping to connect the dots to Bush.

They know F&F goes straight to the top (based on Obama’s own speeches about US guns in Mexico), and I would guess they know that if Obama throws Holder under the bus, that Holder will take Obama down with him. Solution? Pretend there is no story.

How else would there still be no reporting on this almost a year after this starting coming out?

goflyers on January 29, 2012 at 5:56 PM

I’m sure the entire lame stream media is prepped to report on this story, on the first Wednesday of November…

CA_Conservative on January 30, 2012 at 10:59 AM

I’ve got to hand it to them. Even the death of one of their fellow federal workers at the hands of their own ill-conceived plans isn’t enough to dissuade them from their delusions of grandeur.

ted c on January 29, 2012 at 5:45 PM

If they care that little for one of their own, imagine how insignificant you and I are to these jackals.

slickwillie2001 on January 30, 2012 at 11:36 AM

Didn’t Scooter get jail time for something like this? People are dead and still no one cares, while Valarie became a celeb and got people up in arms over what might have happened.

Esthier on January 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM

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