Super. California votes to mandate more electric cars
posted at 12:30 pm on January 28, 2012 by Jazz Shaw
Have you purchased your new, all electric car yet? Me neither. Of course, I can’t decide whether it’s because I hate the environment, hate America, or a result of my severe allergy to burning to death in a fiery roadside inferno. But we shouldn’t feel too alone. It seems that drivers have been rather cool on the idea all over the country. This is producing a significant impact on Indiana in particular.
Reporting from Elkhart, Ind.— For politicians betting on electric vehicles to drive job growth, the view from inside Think City’s plant here is their worst nightmare: 100 unfinished vehicles lined up with no word on whether they will be completed.
Only two years ago, the tiny Think cars (two can fit in a regular parking space) were expected to bring more than 400 jobs to this ailing city and a lifeline to suppliers who once made parts for gas-guzzling recreational vehicles.
“We’ve said we’re out to make Indiana the electric vehicle state. It’s beginning to look like the state capital will be Elkhart County,” Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels said in January 2010 in announcing government incentives used to attract Think to his state.
Instead, the Hoosier State’s big bet has been a bust. The plant is devoid of activity; there are just two employees. A Russian investor who recently purchased Think’s bankrupt parent in Norway has been silent about its future. A government-backed Indianapolis battery maker that was to supply Think wrote off a $73-million investment in the car company and Thursday declared bankruptcy. Two unrelated electric truck makers Indiana planned to nurture have yet to get off the ground.
Well, that’s certainly bad news for the workers of Indiana. (Not to mention all of the taxpayers who funded this boondoggle.) But at least we can move on and hope that we learned something from the exercise, with the possibility in mind that additional technological advances will make such endeavors more financially viable in the future.
BUT WAIT! What was I thinking? There is clearly another solution right in front of our noses, and California has come up with just the fix for this dilemma. If people don’t want to buy these electric cars, we can just pass a law and make them buy them!
California air regulators passed sweeping emission standards Friday that will require one in seven of the new cars sold in the state in 2025 be an electric or other zero-emission vehicle.
The policy adopted unanimously by the California Air Resources Board mandates a 75 percent reduction in smog-forming pollutants by 2025, and a 50 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from today’s standards.
I bet the car dealerships must just be doing back-flips in happiness over this eh? Turns out… not so much.
“It’s hard to legislate or mandate what people want to drive or to need to drive,” said Lance Roberts, spokesman for the New Car Dealers Association of San Diego County.
“Certainly our dealers understand the need to continue to advance clean technology. By the same token, people have different needs. Dealers are caught in the middle.”
The new state policy mandates that a mix of 1.4 million zero-emission and plug-in hybrid vehicles be on the road by 2025, nearly triple the number being driven today.
What’s not explained in this report is exactly how the state government of California plans to enforce this mandate. If there aren’t enough electric vehicles sold, will they just send in the national guard to shut down the dealerships and prevent them from selling standard technology cars until a sufficient amount of people show up to buy the green models? Will you be arrested as you drive off the lot in your new Camaro if not enough people bought a Leaf that month?
One thing is for sure: don’t strap your dog carrier to the roof of your car after this. If you wind up with a crispy friend terrier on your car you’ll have PETA after you as well as the EPA and the state government.









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Future headline: Size of California wildfires up for some reason.
ThePrez on January 28, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Illinois just had a panel decide that they will force taxpayers to pay more to “encourage” people to buy electric cars. In a state already drowning in debt, already seeing people leave in droves, they are going to hike fees and try to force people to buy cars they DON’T want!!
http://www.prairiestatereport.us/2012/01/27/illinois-to-make-you-pay-for-electric-cars-you-dont-want/
Warner Todd Huston on January 28, 2012 at 12:33 PM
What’s wrong with this? I’m hearing lately that mandates are conservative. Aren’t they?
beatcanvas on January 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Where does the power to mandate anything in California come from?
Dr Evil on January 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM
No it’s not hard, it’s impossible!
This is what comes from electing tards.
fogw on January 28, 2012 at 12:36 PM
I think the switch to electric cars is essential. The sooner we can get away from mid-east oil the better.
rubberneck on January 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Can we call them communists now?
darwin on January 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Hope pelosi’s in that car. I’m going to hell.
msupertas on January 28, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Why buy a car in California at all? The sales tax is close to 10%.
Blake on January 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM
“It’s not a mandate, it’s a tax.” — Leftard
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM
Catching fire is a feature! It’s a natural heating system, and receiving 3rd degree burns is a small price to pay if one baby polar bear is saved.
mudskipper on January 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM
The fastest and easiest way to get away from foreign oil is to simply use our own. Something the left doesn’t want us to do.
darwin on January 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Californians can barely keep their air conditioners running in the summer but somehow they are going to plug in some electric car that will double or triple their electric bill.
NeoKong on January 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM
CARB would ban gas powered vehicles now if they could get away with it politically. The unelected board, chaired by Marxist Mary Nichols, has shown no restraint in passing as extreme of laws as politically possible, no matter the economic fallout.
The far left loves the idea of electric cars. It’s much easier to control a people who can travel no farther than 50-60 miles, and are completely dependent on a functioning electrical grid. They see the high speed rail boondoggle as the solution for peasants who need to travel more than one town away.
Party members will of course be provided gas powered vehicles at taxpayer expense. Their needs for long travel clearly benefit the proletariat.
Kungfoochimp on January 28, 2012 at 12:41 PM
California is a foreign country(maybe france)
gerrym51 on January 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Greetings from the CCCP: California Carbon Control Police.
VastRightWingConspirator on January 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM
We have all the oil we need here. The same traitors mandating this $hit are the same ones putting federal lands off limits where the oil is. Check out how much of Alaska is federally owned. Wake the hell up.
msupertas on January 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Are there no oil-based products in electric cars? Is oil only available from the middle east?
BKeyser on January 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM
What’s really cool about all this is how the left’s plan to cripple America is coming together. Not only do they want to force us to buy electric cars, but they’re also closing down the plants that supply the electricity you’ll need for your stupid little car.
When no power becomes a problem, the left will mandate everyone move into giant urban centers where you won’t need a car.
When the giant urban centers become too crowded they’ll mandate you take a ride on the train to the country camp that no one ever returns from.
darwin on January 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Would you be surprised to learn that we import as much oil from Canada as we do from the Middle East?
Also, how do you think the energy that runs an electric car is produced?
2L8 on January 28, 2012 at 12:43 PM
That’s what the commerce clause is for. Easy peasy.
a capella on January 28, 2012 at 12:45 PM
Tuesday and Thursday next week will be of intrest to Eric Holder and little todies in Az and the ATF.
http://www.sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com
White House Friday night e-mail dump of e-mails on Brian Terry’s execution by an FBI paid rat (informant)in AZ.
“18 miles inside”?
There is evil in D.C.. Growing.
Question is,,, is there any one up there who has the courage to do the right thing?
APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM
You just insulted France
msupertas on January 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM
If the EPA isn’t either scuttled or dramatically scaled back by 2025, there will be no coal/nuclear electric production plants to charge these electric cars. Then what? Windmills? I think the windmill concept came from the “Beanie Copter” caps these buffoons wear.
SaysWho on January 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM
I understand the area around Hollywood has taken it one step further mandating a retro-fit of a flux capacitor for all non-electric vehicles by 2030.
BKeyser on January 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Reminds one of the old ad agency anecdote. Agency put together a campaign for a new dog food. Catchy jingle, fancy packaging, clever ads, coupons, etc. But sales were lousy. So they asked research to look into it.
Answer came back, “The dogs won’t eat it.”
Wethal on January 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM
A 2006 study shows that about 30% of the pollution is blowing over from China. That was back in ’06 imagine what it is now after 6 years of growth in China and 6 years of the anti- manufacturing policies in California. I guess California will have to donate some EVs to the PRC.
CARB should be dismantled. The agency has been fraught with controversy and fraud, yet Californians continue to allow them to be one of the most powerful and intrusive departments in the State. Its kinda sad really, that Californians don’t know or don’t care.
You guys know that the government here in CA decides, on a daily basis if we can have our wood burning fires?!!
JeffVader on January 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Government ALWAYS knows best what is good for the people that it rules. Lets just use the example of the Trabant, the finest product of ever produced by the now defunct German Democratic Republic. While West Germany was wasting resources on those Mercedes-Benz clunkers, the east was
producing a true marvel in automotive technology. /sarcasm off/
simkeith on January 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Since approximately 96% of atmospheric CO2 is natural and not man-made, I hope the crazy commies have a plan to mandate nature to stop producing carbon dioxide.
darwin on January 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Sounds like a good thing for the car dealerships in neighboring states. ;)
Hey fed up Californians, come to AZ and buy your new gas guzzlers here!
AZCoyote on January 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM
CA continues its slide to oblivion. I feel sorry for the many sane ones who ares still there but outnumbered.
There is a huge shale gas play there coming on line, although knowing CA, they will do something to squelch it. If they must insist on using mandates, it would be a lot smarter if they drilled the crap out of that gas and then mandated buses and trucks use it.
juliesa on January 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM
The middle east will always have a huge amount of power flowing from control of the oil wells, whether the US switches to 100% electric cars or not. ALWAYS. And that is political, financial, and military power (conventional and unconventional). The answer for America is to not be dependent on direct oil from the middle east (which we aren’t – we get ours from the americas) so as to not have to worry about an actual embargo and cut in our supply (though we cannot make ourselves immune from price moves).
But, the threats from the arab/persian/muslim world will not be neutralized (or even slightly mitigated) by our moving to electric cars. Those threats are independent of our gas use, for the most part. That lefties try to use the “national security” argument is particularly pathetic.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on January 28, 2012 at 12:50 PM
Obamacar.
galtani on January 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Kali voters keep voting in these politicians. Let them suffer the consequences and if you didn’t vote for them and can’t abide these regulations… GET OUT! Some way, some how. Just get out and let Kali sink into the sea financially if not by earthquake.
Yakko77 on January 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Lefties hate the burbs and the cars and highways that make the burbs possible. People can come and go as they please. They leave the city behind and take their tax dollars with them. They’re secret racists (“white flight”).
The burbs get so large they get their own congressmen and start influencing politics. The lefties want people and their tax dollars back in the crumbling, bankrupt cities with lousy school systems where the votes will be so mixed in that it is likely they would not be a voting bloc.
George Will’s essay “Why socialists love trains” is a classic.
Wethal on January 28, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Gang members, Old Hippies, Liberals, Meth Heads, Illegal Immigrants, and Insanely high taxes. What’s not to love about Cali?
27 years here and It feels like an eternity. Get out while you can if you’re still here, this whole place is going down. It’s kind of funny, but everyone knows if Obama loses the election this year all hell is going to break loose. I mean, Californians rioted, and burned cars in the streets when the Giants WON the world series. Imagine what’s going to happen when the poster boy for everything wrong with this state loses?
1984 in real life on January 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Upside: You don’t have to bother bringing a grill to a tailgate party.
Downside: You do have to buy a new car everytime you go to a football game.
Dopenstrange on January 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! You’re messing with da plan!
KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2012 at 12:52 PM
Small problem: every electric car purchased by someone on your street adds the equivalent of 5-10 houses’ worth of drain on your local grid. America’s energy grids were not designed for that kind of load… and we are 10-20 years from having anything resembling a Smart Grid with remote generation capabilities.
So for the foreseeable future, the gas station at the corner will be your best bet. Let’s just hope the “All of the Above” energy strategy include ANWR, Canada, and the Gulf of Mexico.
VastRightWingConspirator on January 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM
1.21 gigawatts? 1.21 gigawatts? Great Scott!
SaysWho on January 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM
They can take my conventional gas powered car when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!
The only way I would buy an electric would be when I can drive it 300+ miles (what I currently can get out of my Ford Fusion in one tank) on a single charge with air conditioning or heat and the various electrical doo-dads on; “refill” it in the time it takes to fill a 14 gallon gas tank; fit up to five people in it; and cost the same as a conventional gas powered vehicle without any government subsidies.
Until that time, which is about the time I believe we’ll see flying unicorns, no electric car for me.
italianguy626 on January 28, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Well so far it’s working for lots of ‘industries’ (e.g. insurance) and they just made a big bet on being able to advance the concept into mandating purchase regardless of need (i.e healthcare mandate) so if that gets upheld in the courts we could see the door wide open to all kinds of crazy mandates. I’ll take a bet that in the not too distant future we start to see a lot more of these non-company specific mandates.
I’m pushing for the everyone must buy a gun mandate (the irony would probably be lost on most of them).
Bunsin2 on January 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Why does anyone live there.
jeanie on January 28, 2012 at 12:54 PM
I think the headline is misleading. It was not Californians that voted in this mandate. It was (I presume) appointed bureaucrats at CARB that decided on it.
Of course, given that Californians voted in the politicians who appointed these same bureaucrats, it’s kinda hard to feel sorry for them. No, let me take that back. It was the LA/San Francisco voters who voted in the politicians who appointed these bureaucrats.
In any case, this shows exactly why you should never have bureaucracies with law-making authority. There’s no accountability except to the politicians who install them. Government agencies should have enforcement powers only, not regulation-writing.
Mohonri on January 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM
I think you are right, it’s about controlling the masses, while the apparatchiks are above the rules. That’s one reason I drive a San Antonio-built, non-UAW, 4wd Tundra, even though it’s expensive to run. I feel I can get where I need to go, when I want to–except for compact parking spaces, which should be illegal in Texas.
Freedom.
BTW, Toyota moved it’s CA-based Tacoma plant to San Antonio too. Just one of the many businesses moving from CA to TX, and it’s not for our weather, trust me.
juliesa on January 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Nice post Jazz.
WisRich on January 28, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Isn’t oil used to make plastics? Darn!
Coming soon: cars made out of nerf.
Is nerf made out of oil?
Dack Thrombosis on January 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM
My wife and I just got a used hummer. We felt we needed to do our part to combat all the prius drivers out there.
jhffmn on January 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM
They must be trying to kick out all of their citizens. Before you know it they will be back to pre-historic times which is exactly what those nubes want!
suzyque on January 28, 2012 at 1:01 PM
Perhaps we should make cars out of pressed cardboard like trabants since we are headed towards that model of government anyway.
jhffmn on January 28, 2012 at 1:02 PM
We can get away from mid-east oil by drilling our own.
dominigan on January 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM
I believe Nerf is in fact a petroleum product.
juliesa on January 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM
How will CA deal with all the 18 wheelers bringing things to the state? Will they have to unload the rig at the border if they emit too much krap for the states mandate? How about all the visitors driving, if any choose to come to CA they way they are going down the dark side, if their cars or whatever emits too much krap?
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letget on January 28, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Looks like California is going to have a lot of state owned electric vehicles in the near future. I can’t wait for those police chases shown on tv with the police in all electric cars. Now that will be entertainment. Hybrid firetrucks, wonder how much equipment those babies will be able to hold. Of course how many people will die
, while riding in a state of the art sun powered ambulance. At least the smog will be down, and that’s what really import an here.
Tommy_G on January 28, 2012 at 1:06 PM
Some article taglines should come with a rimshot.
hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Oops hit the wrong button. Sorry about the way that looks. “in route” should be in italics not quote.
Tommy_G on January 28, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Darn!
Guess we’ll all be riding those trains soon.
The purchase of a train ticket comes with a free yellow star. The star is to be worn at all times while riding the train.
Dack Thrombosis on January 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM
No problem. Just go out of state to buy your cars. of course that will mean dealerships in California will close at a higher rate and there will be fewer jobs and tax dollars, but then liberals don’t care about that as long as they bow to the god of global warming. And of course the state is in such good financial state they don’t have to worry about lost jobs and revenue, right? (sarc)
lukjuj on January 28, 2012 at 1:09 PM
or a woopie cushion
Bunsin2 on January 28, 2012 at 1:12 PM
What model of electric (i.e., coal powered–coal is, after all, where your electricity probably comes from) car do you drive?
HeatSeeker2011 on January 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM
Where did you get that number?
Could you explain just exactly what this is?
Oldnuke on January 28, 2012 at 1:18 PM
If there was a good alternative to fossil fuel It would be here now .But there isn’t any .and I’ll tell You why .Israel Would have it > Imagine if You had no oil and had to buy every drop from an enemy ,you have the best scientist and technology available ,would you still use oil ??
P Bonz on January 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM
F R E E D O M ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM
What’s stopping you?
Jim Treacher on January 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Once in CA, it took us 40 minutes to go 2 miles on the freeway.
How many “hours” does a charged vehicle have before it dies?
srdem65 on January 28, 2012 at 1:19 PM
I’m with you on being more fuel efficient, but I don’t want to be dependent on battery life for the range of my car. Plug-in hybrids would be good if they could be made affordable, and if the EPA would stop trying to shut down power plants. We can’t have electric cars without electricity.
TX just dodged a big one on that. The EPA without warning proposed a new emissions rule for which the only way to comply would be to abruptly close some power plants. Thank God we have people like Rick Perry and Greg Abbott fighting off these attacks by DC. Obama is trying everything he can to hurt the TX economy, since it makes his economy look so bad in comparison.
juliesa on January 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM
They make laws about what kind of lightbulbs we must buy, now what kind of cars we must buy…
NO WAIT! These are bureaucracies making these laws.
My bad.
patfish on January 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM
They’ll get the taxes if they follow PA. PA people who buy cars in DE because of no sales tax, and then register them in PA have to pay PA sales tax. Can’t drive with dealer tags for very long.
Wethal on January 28, 2012 at 1:20 PM
Conservatives: ObamaCare is unconstitutional because it mandates citizens to purchase a product!
Liberals: It is necessary to make it Work!
Conservatives: But if the Government can mandate HealthCare purchases, then it can mandate citizens purchase any product, food, clothing, even the type of car! People will literally be forced to purchase a “Peoples Car”.
Liberals: That is why we can’t talk to Conservatives, they come up with these wild conspiracy theories that everything is a slippery slope! No one is going to mandate the kind of car you drive. This crazy talk is why Conservatives have a reputation for low I.Q.
/sarc
Bulletchaser on January 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM
I think there is something else rubber…beside the neck.
KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM
F R E E D O M ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM
Let em’.
Let em’ mandate how many times you can turn on your lights. How many shoes are allowed in your closet. How many swipes you can make in the toilet a day. Let em’ mandate the length of love making.
Do it CA. Just do it.
Limerick on January 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM
In unrelated news, stock in Jet-Puffed Marshmallows skyrockets.
Fallon on January 28, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Maybe California has an ATTACK WATCH!
KOOLAID2 on January 28, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Will Robert De Niro switch from selling Caddies to electric cars?
classic.
ted c on January 28, 2012 at 1:31 PM
“We’ve said we’re out to make Indiana the electric vehicle state.
It’s beginning to look like the state capital will be Elkhart County,” Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels said in January 2010 in announcing government incentives used to attract Think to his state.
Now, why can’t we slash federal and states deficit spending again?
We’ve got tens of millions here and there, hundreds of millions under this company banner and this one, and yet we can’t CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING?
This reminds me of a report on CNN this morning that I saw where the anchorgal was whining about this poor school teacher paying for things out of her own pocket and how Obama was trying to get more federal funding, etc (besides the TRILLIONS already spent).
Progressives NEVER HAVE ENOUGH (of someone elses money)!!!
And yes this Mitch Daniels and all the other Politicians that offer these “public/private partnership” deals are just snake oil salesmen.
PappyD61 on January 28, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Goodfellas on mopeds.
Limerick on January 28, 2012 at 1:34 PM
You cant mandate by law, people buying something. Have they not learned yet that this will not fly constitutionally yet?
Oh wait, they need obamacare to be struck down first I forgot. California, you all deserve what you are getting, 100%.
TX-96 on January 28, 2012 at 1:34 PM
Since the the flat-landers are also looking at this wonderful solution, we in cheeseland are awaiting another tide of refugees from the socialist utopia to the south of us.
The problem being that most of them don’t have the common sense to realize that ever-enlarging govenment is the source of their refugee status. Thus they bring their liberal politics with them.
The one benefit of the mandated electric car is that if they were forced to purchase one, they wouldn’t have the range to make it to our state.
Nor would those from “the Golden State” be able to make it much further than the desert. Which is good place for those that vote for this garbage.
Alferd Packer on January 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM
This is the kind of stuff that was going on in SOVIET RUSSIA!!!
One of our yung un’s yesterday told us about one of the Cafeteria workers putting SALT on the tater tots for the school kids. One of the kids said something to her and she smiled and told the child “Don’t tell Miss Obama”. And they all giggled.
Should I go to the trouble to report her to the Salt Nazi or will Google just track this posting back to the IP Address and be able to hunt her down?
L-I-B-E-R-T-Y!!!
PappyD61 on January 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM
While scrolling idly through this thread I started making a list of reasons not to live in CA. I’m only up to 10 but got there in less than a minute. Recall a discussion here in years past about whether CA would be more useful as a giant theme part devoted to how not to run a state/country/business/family/school etc. Still seems to be an idea with promise. lol
jeanie on January 28, 2012 at 1:38 PM
It’s a state mandate, nothing to get angry about.
de rigueur on January 28, 2012 at 1:38 PM
Sorry–theme PARK.
jeanie on January 28, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Trying to imagine pulling stumps on my land with an electric tractor.
hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 1:39 PM
I left California 7 years ago when I realized that all hope of a meaningful political rebellion had faded. The place is so buried in illegals, dope-headed liberals, and denial, that the only thing that will save the place is cataclysmic collapse.
They won’t build power plants, but they voted for a high speed electric train to run from San Diego to Sacramento, and now for a couple million plug-in-to-charge vehicles. They don’t have money to fix the roads, but they’re looking for a high tech way to better detect people using cell phones in their cars. The countryside is turning into Pancho Villa’s Mexico, while the authorities rigorously enforce bans on smoking in public parks —except for marijuana of course, which is encouraged. They pass 5 new gun laws a year, while the police make treaties with gangs.
I’m just hoping California doesn’t take the entire western United States with it when it finally and totally fails.
claudius on January 28, 2012 at 1:42 PM
Progressive Dream come true……
No personal ownership of vehicles, no firearms allowed, state controlled healthcare and continuous monitoring of dietary intake, state controlled thermostats, state licensing approval for child unit production, where would it stop?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_rapid_transit
PappyD61 on January 28, 2012 at 1:44 PM
Actually, “smart” electric meters in everyone’s homes that would monitor and possibly control your electric use are part of the long term environut agenda.
Wethal on January 28, 2012 at 1:49 PM
Yeah, I get the detesting govt mandate thing. I agree.
But, non-gas powered cars will be the norm someday. Sooner than you think, too.
I bet you guys said cell phones put cancer rays in your head. Enjoy your rotatory phones and black and white TVs.
Moesart on January 28, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Bulletchaser on January 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM
Post of the day.
You can put the same argument for lots of other things as well.
Conservative: “Today you want to ban handguns, next it will be long arms”
Liberal: “You’re just spouting NRA nonsense. Handguns are used in 99.9999% of crimes, we just want to register them so we know where they are”
Result: Bans in handguns in places like NYC and Chicago. Severe restrictions in California. California now wanting to register long guns. In other countries: near total bans on all guns.
Conservative: “Today your banning guns, tomorrow, what knives and sticks?”
Liberal: “You’re just being silly! This shows how devoid of intelligence you are! We just want to get these evil guns off the streets! Think of the children!”
Result: Formerly Great Britain now considering banning knives that can stab, severe restrictions on carrying things like ball bats and other similar items.
Liberalism, it’s always a game of incrementalism. Don’t just look at what they are proposing today, follow the trail to where that line of reasoning can lead because you can rest assured that is where it will eventually go.
AZfederalist on January 28, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Hawk–Was about to recommend oxen until I recalled the methane/cattle global warming debate. Guess you’ll have to leave them there. Would that cause environmental problems too? lol
jeanie on January 28, 2012 at 1:52 PM
Mandate this.
Akzed on January 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM
The government didn’t mandate cell phones, push button phones or color TVs. People bought them because they were better.
No one thought horse and buggy’s would be replaced, until someone invented something everyone wanted.
People will snatch up the next greatest thing when someone invents it, not when the government forces it down their throats.
darwin on January 28, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Where does it stop? It stops when millions, or possibly billions are dead. See: 20th century communism.
darwin on January 28, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Because the state mandated that we would buy a certain amount of cell phones for every land-line put in. Yeah, your non-sequitur totally refutes any concerns regarding a state mandate on the number of a certain kind of product that can be sold.
/yeah, I know I’m breaking my usual rule of not feeding the trolls. This one isn’t smart enough, it won’t grow much. ;-)
AZfederalist on January 28, 2012 at 1:59 PM
Libturds never use logic to help make sense of their leftist agendas. They cannot grasp the idea that elecricity comes from coal. That is why it is a waste of time to argue with them. They simply do not have the brain power to grasp the concept. Libturd leaders however simply lie.
wsucoug on January 28, 2012 at 2:00 PM
You’re missing the point. No one is against electric or non gas powered vehicles. What we’re against is the government or anybody else telling us that we have to buy them. If non gas cars come on strong without the mandate more power to them.
Oldnuke on January 28, 2012 at 2:01 PM
There’s no logical connection between your straw man and the thread, genius. Sort of a microcosm of liberalism there.
Akzed on January 28, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Heh.
If that doesn’t get the job done, maybe you can use some carbon-neutral dynamite (sound-muzzled, of course — can’t have that nasty noise pollution, now can we?).
hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Electric cars will be all the rage when energy prices necessarily skyrocket. Check your Energy companies records, many are shutting down power plants because it is too costly to make them compliant will Ojesus’s regulations. It’s cool though cause the rate-payer get’s the bill.
tom daschle concerned on January 28, 2012 at 2:03 PM
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