Super. California votes to mandate more electric cars

posted at 12:30 pm on January 28, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

Have you purchased your new, all electric car yet? Me neither. Of course, I can’t decide whether it’s because I hate the environment, hate America, or a result of my severe allergy to burning to death in a fiery roadside inferno. But we shouldn’t feel too alone. It seems that drivers have been rather cool on the idea all over the country. This is producing a significant impact on Indiana in particular.

Reporting from Elkhart, Ind.— For politicians betting on electric vehicles to drive job growth, the view from inside Think City’s plant here is their worst nightmare: 100 unfinished vehicles lined up with no word on whether they will be completed.

Only two years ago, the tiny Think cars (two can fit in a regular parking space) were expected to bring more than 400 jobs to this ailing city and a lifeline to suppliers who once made parts for gas-guzzling recreational vehicles.

“We’ve said we’re out to make Indiana the electric vehicle state. It’s beginning to look like the state capital will be Elkhart County,” Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels said in January 2010 in announcing government incentives used to attract Think to his state.

Instead, the Hoosier State’s big bet has been a bust. The plant is devoid of activity; there are just two employees. A Russian investor who recently purchased Think’s bankrupt parent in Norway has been silent about its future. A government-backed Indianapolis battery maker that was to supply Think wrote off a $73-million investment in the car company and Thursday declared bankruptcy. Two unrelated electric truck makers Indiana planned to nurture have yet to get off the ground.

Well, that’s certainly bad news for the workers of Indiana. (Not to mention all of the taxpayers who funded this boondoggle.) But at least we can move on and hope that we learned something from the exercise, with the possibility in mind that additional technological advances will make such endeavors more financially viable in the future.

BUT WAIT! What was I thinking? There is clearly another solution right in front of our noses, and California has come up with just the fix for this dilemma. If people don’t want to buy these electric cars, we can just pass a law and make them buy them!

California air regulators passed sweeping emission standards Friday that will require one in seven of the new cars sold in the state in 2025 be an electric or other zero-emission vehicle.

The policy adopted unanimously by the California Air Resources Board mandates a 75 percent reduction in smog-forming pollutants by 2025, and a 50 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from today’s standards.

I bet the car dealerships must just be doing back-flips in happiness over this eh? Turns out… not so much.

“It’s hard to legislate or mandate what people want to drive or to need to drive,” said Lance Roberts, spokesman for the New Car Dealers Association of San Diego County.

“Certainly our dealers understand the need to continue to advance clean technology. By the same token, people have different needs. Dealers are caught in the middle.”

The new state policy mandates that a mix of 1.4 million zero-emission and plug-in hybrid vehicles be on the road by 2025, nearly triple the number being driven today.

What’s not explained in this report is exactly how the state government of California plans to enforce this mandate. If there aren’t enough electric vehicles sold, will they just send in the national guard to shut down the dealerships and prevent them from selling standard technology cars until a sufficient amount of people show up to buy the green models? Will you be arrested as you drive off the lot in your new Camaro if not enough people bought a Leaf that month?

One thing is for sure: don’t strap your dog carrier to the roof of your car after this. If you wind up with a crispy friend terrier on your car you’ll have PETA after you as well as the EPA and the state government.


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The one benefit of the mandated electric car is that if they were forced to purchase one, they wouldn’t have the range to make it to our state.
Nor would those from “the Golden State” be able to make it much further than the desert. Which is good place for those that vote for this garbage.

Alferd Packer on January 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Excellent point. Visitors are always stunned by the long distances between points just within Greater Los Angeles. And by how long it takes to drive short distances in commuter traffic. Electric cars don’t have the range for either. (But you can fit more of them on the street, a true boon to commuter traffic.)

Solution? More high speed rail! Or maybe not.

More likely the state will have to buy the cars itself to meet its own mandates. Then sell them for pennies on the dollar. Essentially, a free car for everyone. Probably cheaper than high speed rail.

Until Arizona raises the power rates.

de rigueur on January 28, 2012 at 2:03 PM

They can mandate electric cars by putting “fossil fuel user” taxes on gasoline powered cars. Make them so expensive they can’t be afforded.

Meanwhile, Obooba is going to make good on his promise, “under my plan, electricity bills will necessarily skyrocket.” So good luck charging your Volt.

Akzed on January 28, 2012 at 2:04 PM

If that doesn’t get the job done, maybe you can use some carbon-neutral dynamite (sound-muzzled, of course — can’t have that nasty noise pollution, now can we?).

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Of course, he will have to apply for a permit for the sound suppressor for the dynamite. By the time he gets it, the stumps will have rotted away on their own.

AZfederalist on January 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Of course, he will have to apply for a permit for the sound suppressor for the dynamite. By the time he gets it, the stumps will have rotted away on their own.

AZfederalist on January 28, 2012 at 2:05 PM

All of this won’t matter once Herr Jugears assumes his princely throne. He’ll not have a need for stumps, since stump speeches will no longer be necessary…

OK, I got a little off of the rails there, but not that far.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM

What’s wrong with this? I’m hearing lately that mandates are conservative. Aren’t they?

beatcanvas on January 28, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Yeh I feel your pain.

Gingrich Supported Romney Health Care Plan in 2006 Newsletter

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/27/gingrich-supported-romney-health-care-plan-in-2006-newsletter/#ixzz1kmWgQRs5

CW on January 28, 2012 at 2:10 PM

Adds a whole new meaning to the latest Volt commercial: “…it’s the car America HAD to build…”

Kraken on January 28, 2012 at 2:12 PM

Uh, I didn’t check the thread …but as far as the California government requiring it’s citizens to buy electric cars?

Better not get too hasty about judging those moonbats as also being lackwits.

If the Supreme Court doesn’t overturn the individual mandate in Obamacare (likely because they didn’t feel “comfortable” about the idiot Democrats putting in a non-severability clause in the bill), and adjudicates the individual mandate as within the constraints of the Constitution …by some mind-boggling interpretation of a living constitution penumbric phantasm that leaves us lesser beings gasping with gratitude at their para-omniscient judicial munificence [not] …you can bet your a$$ the CA state legislature can require Californian’s to buy electric cars.

Legally.

It won’t be so funny then, eh?

Oh. And. At that point, it WILL be coming soon to a state near you, too.

Welcome to the New American Hopey-Changey serfdom.

Thank you Democrats.

davisbr on January 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Very disappointing to see Mitch Daniels bought into this crap.

deepelemblues on January 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Progressives really do believe that they know better than the rest of us, and they will sacrifice everything, right down to the economic viability of the entire state, in their attempt to force us to do what they imagine is good for us.

People won’t buy electric cars because they’re crap. Also, they’re aimed at solving a problem that is not a problem, and they don’t even solve it. It’s the ultimate in brainless, progressive policy coercion, wrong in every direction you look.

Mandated electric cars are the perfect proof that bad thinking leads to hellish policy.

philwynk on January 28, 2012 at 2:14 PM

Does anyone know if the Volt is more likely to catch fire than your average car?

CW on January 28, 2012 at 2:19 PM

The problem is the several Volts used in crash tests whose batteries caught fire weeks after the testing …when they’d just been “sitting there”.

davisbr on January 28, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Go California!

Roger Hedgecock is a former mayor of San Diego.

by Roger Hedgecock

12/09/2011

I live in California. If you were wondering what living in Obama’s second term would be like, wonder no longer. We in California are living there now.

California is a one-party state dominated by a virulent Democratic Left enabled by a complicit media where every agency of local, county, and state government is run by and for the public employee unions. The unemployment rate is 12%.

California has more folks on food stamps than any other state, has added so many benefits and higher rates to Medicaid that we call it “Medi-Cal.” Our K-12 schools have more administrators than teachers, and smaller classes but lower test scores and higher dropout rates with twice the per-student budget of 15 years ago. Good job, Brownie.

This week, the once and current Gov. Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown had to confess that the “balanced” state budget adopted five months ago was billions in the red because actual tax revenues were billions lower than the airy-fairy revenue estimates on which the balance was predicated.

After trimming legislators’ perks and reducing the number of cell phones provided to state civil servants, the governor intoned that drastic budget reductions had already hollowed out state programs for the needy, law enforcement and our schoolchildren. California government needed more money.

Echoing the Occupy movement, the governor proclaimed the rich must pay their fair share. Fair share? The top 1% of California income earners currently pays 50% of the state’s income tax.

California has seven income tax brackets. The top income tax rate is 9.3%, which is slapped on the greedy rich earning at least $47,056 a year. Income of more than $1 million pays the “millionaires’ and billionaires’” surcharge tax rate of 10.3%.

Brown’s proposal would add 2% for income over $250,000. A million-dollar income would then be taxed at 12.3%. And that’s just for the state.

Brown also proposed a one-half-cent sales tax increase, which would bring sales taxes (which vary by county) to 7.75% to 10%. Both tax increases would be on the ballot in 2012.

The sales tax increase proposal immediately brought howls of protest from the Left (of Brown!). Charlie Eaton, a sociology grad student at UC Berkeley and leader of the UC Student-Workers Union, said, “We’ve paid enough. It’s time for millionaires to pay.”

At least five other ballot measures to raise taxes are circulating for signatures to get on the 2012 ballot in California. The governor’s proposals are the most conservative.

The Obama way doesn’t end with taxes.

The governor and the state legislature continue to applaud the efforts of the California High Speed Rail Authority to build a train connecting Los Angeles and San Francisco. Even though the budget is three times the voter-approved amount, and the first segment will only connect two small towns in the agricultural Central Valley. But hey, if we build it, they will ride.

And we don’t want to turn down the Obama bullet-train bucks Florida and other states rejected because the operating costs would bankrupt them. Can’t happen here we’re already insolvent.

If we get into real trouble with the train, we’ll just bring in the Chinese. It worked with the Bay Bridge reconstruction. After the 1989 earthquake, the bridge connecting Oakland and San Francisco was rebuilt with steel made in China. Workers from China too. Paid for with money borrowed from China. Makes perfect sense.

In California, we hate the evil, greedy rich (except the rich in Hollywood and in sports, and in drug dealing). But we love people who have broken into California to eat the bounty created by the productive rich.

Illegals get benefits from various generous welfare programs, free medical care, free schools for their kids, including meals, and of course, instate tuition rates and scholarships too. Governor Perry , California has a heart. Nothing’s too good for our guests.

To erase even a hint of criticism of illegal immigration, the California Legislature is considering a unilateral state amnesty. Democrat State Assemblyman Felipe Fuentes has proposed an initiative that would bar deportation of illegals from California.

Interesting dilemma for Obama there. If immigration is exclusively a federal matter, and Obama has sued four states for trying to enforce federal immigration laws he won’t enforce, what will the President do to a California law that exempts California from federal immigration law?

California is also near fulfilling the environmentalist dream of deindustrialization.

After driving out the old industrial base (auto and airplane assembly, for example), air and water regulators and tax policies are now driving out the high-tech, biotech and even Internet-based companies that were supposed to be California’s future.

The California cap-and-trade tax on business in the name of reducing CO2 makes our state the leader in wacky environmentalism and guarantees a further job exodus from the state.

Even green energy companies can’t do business in California. Solyndra went under, taking its taxpayer loan guarantee with it.

No job is too small to escape the regulators. The state has even banned weekend amateur gold miners from the historic gold mining streams in the Sierra Nevada Mountains.

In fact, more and more of California’s public land is off-limits to recreation by the people who paid for that land. Unless you’re illegal. Then you can clear the land, set up marijuana plantations at will, bring in fertilizers that legal farmers can no longer use, exploit illegal farm workers who live in hovels with no running water or sanitation, and protect your investment with armed illegals carrying guns no California citizen is allowed to own.

The rest of us only found out about these plantations when the workers’ open campfire started one of those devastating fires that have killed hundreds of people and burned out thousands of homes in California over the last decade.

It was said after California’s Proposition 13 in 1978 cut property tax rates and was copied in other states, that whatever happened in California would soon happen in your state.

You’d better hope that’s wrong

mixplix on January 28, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do

John “Lenin” Lennon

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 2:22 PM

The problem is the several Volts used in crash tests whose batteries caught fire weeks after the testing …when they’d just been “sitting there”.

davisbr on January 28, 2012 at 2:21 PM

You should do some googling of Ford’s problems in the past with cruise control switches.

CW on January 28, 2012 at 2:23 PM

Libturds never use logic to help make sense of their leftist agendas. They cannot grasp the idea that elecricity comes from coal. That is why it is a waste of time to argue with them. They simply do not have the brain power to grasp the concept. Libturd leaders however simply lie.

wsucoug on January 28, 2012 at 2:00 PM

Based on what liberals are doing to the power generating ability to this country, these Volt driving fools will be paying the equivalent of at least $10/gal in a couple years and even then will wonder why and blame us for it. Bank on it.

Yakko77 on January 28, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Doesn’t California suffer brown outs because they refuse to generate electricity? Funny how electric car proponents always forget you still need electricity – which despite their hallucinations, doesn’t magically come from nowhere. I’m not sure why these people lack such common sense.

tyketto on January 28, 2012 at 2:30 PM

I remember when Moesart actually sounded sort of Conservative.

hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 2:30 PM

I see a market potential:

A trailer with a generator and fuel for the generator that electric vehicles could tow and stay plugged into..

Yeah, build a hybrid support trailer!

Or maybe just strap it to the roof, Redneck style, with some duct tape and rope. Hemp, of course, in California…

whistling on my way to the patent office….

ProfShadow on January 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM

You should do some googling of Ford’s problems in the past with cruise control switches.

CW on January 28, 2012 at 2:23 PM

???

Because of the cruise-control mandate???

I’m not getting the connection.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:40 PM

ProfShadow on January 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM

That’s some serious funny right there.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM

My friends, government mandates are nothing to get angry about.

El_Terrible on January 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM

ProfShadow on January 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM

I think you should add a mizzen mast and top sail.

de rigueur on January 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM

Trying to imagine pulling stumps on my land with an electric tractor.

hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Heh.

If that doesn’t get the job done, maybe you can use some carbon-neutral dynamite (sound-muzzled, of course — can’t have that nasty noise pollution, now can we?).

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:02 PM

Considering my property is less than 10 miles from Coleman Impact Area, that wouldn’t be such a big deal, HBJ.

Hawk–Was about to recommend oxen until I recalled the methane/cattle global warming debate. Guess you’ll have to leave them there. Would that cause environmental problems too? lol

jeanie on January 28, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Heh, we always knew poop was dirty. And if one of my animals trips on a stump, PETA’s on my azz. I can’t win. Oh well, back to my diesel tractors it is.

hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 2:42 PM

tyketto on January 28, 2012 at 2:30 PM

I don’t think we’ve had electricity shortages in about 10 years…. or at least not in our house.

El_Terrible on January 28, 2012 at 2:45 PM

I like ProfShadow’s idea for powering electric cars with an add-on generator. It would completely side-step the regulations. What we would need for it is an aerodynamic enclosed roof rack. The wiring and contacts for it would be custom installed at one of the many shops specializing in this sort of thing. If you’re pulled over you’re just transporting your California approved generator in the most environmentally correct fashion. When it’s time for the vehicle inspection, you’d just lift it off with the electric winch installed in your garage. This could be a real job creator!

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM

How can they be for electric cars when they are also pushing for closing electric generating plants? Because he wants your electric rates to skyrocket.

Don’t know if anyone else touched upon this. Now, I’ll go read the comments.

Mirimichi on January 28, 2012 at 2:50 PM

hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Of course, I just had to Google “Coleman Impact Area” and ran across this little gem:

The XVIII Airborne Corps and Fort Bragg Regulation 350-6, Installation Range Regulations, has been revised and the current regulation is dated Jan. 17, 2002. Please refer to page 33 for the latest information about red-cockaded woodpecker colonies and immediately implement restrictions

The more you know…

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:50 PM

California didn’t “vote” for anything. The California Air Resources board is an unelected bureaucracy that has simply mandated these rules by decree. There was no representative of the people involved in this decision.

These regulations that amount to laws were not passed by our legislature and not voted on by the people.

Regulatory agencies such as CARB and the California Coastal Commission have become part of a dictatorship of the political left that allows them to bypass our state government and enact laws by decree with no input from the representatives of the people.

SHAME ON CALIFORNIA!

crosspatch on January 28, 2012 at 2:51 PM

We don’t need no stinking votes!

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 2:53 PM

I want to know how an unelected body can, under the Constitution of the United States, impose mandates of any sort on the people.

crosspatch on January 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I remember when this used to be a free country.

petefrt on January 28, 2012 at 2:55 PM

How can they be for electric cars when they are also pushing for closing electric generating plants? Because he wants your electric rates to skyrocket.

Don’t know if anyone else touched upon this. Now, I’ll go read the comments.

Mirimichi on January 28, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Doublethink

“The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.”

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM

If the Kommissars at CARB are going to mandate such things on the people, then it needs to be an ELECTED board. The woman in charge of the CARB has been there ever since Gerry Brown appointed her the FIRST time he was government and created the agency.

49 other states get by just fine without an unelected Air Resources Board. We in California can get by without one, too. It’s time to get rid of these boards and commissions that rule by decree.

crosspatch on January 28, 2012 at 3:05 PM

Bravo, Roger Hedgcock! Deindustrialization is the perfect word for their crusade. Truer words were never spoken.

Mary Nichols of CARB has been a czar for many years. She has stacked the board with other watermelons (Green on the outside, Red on the inside) like John Froines, a radical from SDS and the like.

PattyJ on January 28, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Fossil Fuels are EEEEEEEEEEEvil! They will destroy the environment so we must ban them and rely on “renewable, green energy.”

No more gas guzzling cars, you can only drive an eco-friendly electric car now! The batteries are charged via electricity generated by. . . er. . . hamsters on wheels?

Wait, the electricity is generated by fossil fuel use? Oh, so I might as well just be using gas in my car?

cmsciulli on January 28, 2012 at 3:10 PM

Meanwhile, Obooba is going to make good on his promise, “under my plan, electricity bills will necessarily skyrocket.” So good luck charging your Volt.

Akzed on January 28, 2012 at 2:04 PM

Well, the God/King got his wish. In the past four months my electric bill has doubled. All hail Emperor Hussein the Magnificent!

oldleprechaun on January 28, 2012 at 3:12 PM

I want to know how an unelected body can, under the Constitution of the United States, impose mandates of any sort on the people.

crosspatch on January 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM

All it takes is a legislature with no backbone and no moral fiber, and a few activist judges.

I pray that SCOTUS puts a stop to some of this at the federal level when they take up ObrainyCare come late March.

Of course, it’s going to take a federal legislature with some backbone and probably a dozen dozen lawsuits to put the brakes on the legislation by regulation that has been happening daily at EPA, Dept. of Interior, and on and on, since Jan. ‘O9.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 3:13 PM

I like ProfShadow’s idea for powering electric cars with an add-on generator. It would completely side-step the regulations. What we would need for it is an aerodynamic enclosed roof rack. The wiring and contacts for it would be custom installed at one of the many shops specializing in this sort of thing. If you’re pulled over you’re just transporting your California approved generator in the most environmentally correct fashion. When it’s time for the vehicle inspection, you’d just lift it off with the electric winch installed in your garage. This could be a real job creator!

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 2:46 PM

Just be sure its not a diesel generator. Then you’d need to add a p.d.f. filter and a DEF tank.

Have the filter for the APU slung under my semi. And one on the semi itself. $10,000-15,000 to replace the pdf filter…

DStreete on January 28, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Own it, Californians. You voted for the bastards.

I read a couple of studies on the pros and cons of electric vehicles awhile back.

Apart from the environmental issues associated with battery disposal, rare earth is needed to manufacture them. Since the US no longer refines rare earth, we will depend upon China for those elements.

Also, last winter we got hammered several times by big snowstorms here in the east resulting in massive traffic jams. In one storm, it took people over 6 hours to drive 10 miles.

Some smart guy analyzed what would happen if every vehicle had been electric. The conclusion was that over 90% would have run out of power before reaching their destination. Every one of these vehicles would have to be towed to a recharging station which would take days to clear a highway. Even if the driver turned off the radio, heat and all lights, the estimated percentage which would run out of power only dropped 10%.

If a gasoline vehicle runs out of fuel, you can bring a refill to it. Not so for a battery.

BacaDog on January 28, 2012 at 3:15 PM

I want to know how an unelected body can, under the Constitution of the United States, impose mandates of any sort on the people.

crosspatch on January 28, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Because people let them get away with it.

Voyager on January 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Let them get away with it? We can’t kick them out of office! When Brown created this thing the first time, we kicked him out but the commission remained. Why? Because AT THE TIME California had a severe air pollution problem. It is much better now. All the “low hanging fruit” has been plucked and now they are mandating improvements that are more and more costly for less and less benefit (diminishing returns) just for the sake of them.

It’s time to cut their budget. Cut it by 85%. Allow them enough to enforce existing regulations but not enough to go off on wild tangents.

crosspatch on January 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM

The more you know…

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:50 PM

We have been dealing with those Red Cockaded Woodpeckers for longer than I can remember.

Many years ago Standardization Leadership was brought in from CORPs Aviation assets and the 82ND Aviation as we were at the time. (All in the same Brigade now, mostly) But the people who run our range ran down the list of the areas of our “Training Area” that we were no longer able to hover around. Those areas covered our training maps of R5311 (which Coleman Impact Area is in the center of) like the measles. One of the younger IPs made the observation that we actually seemed to be infested with this endangered species and then added, “We can take care of that for you.”

hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM

If a gasoline vehicle runs out of fuel, you can bring a refill to it. Not so for a battery.

BacaDog on January 28, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Maybe they’ll come out with a couple of new lengths of extension cords. 2, 5, and 10 mile lengths.

Oldnuke on January 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Hush your mouth Jazz!

Don’t you know that Mary Nichols is out to save the planet? To quote Mary, “We don’t have much time left!”

Oh that she would be referring to her tenure on the Air Resources Board.

Wonder where Mary is going to get all that electricity to power a bullet train ANF charge up all those “carbon-free” vehicles.

Yep, those ‘all electric’ vehicles are going to SAVE people money. Perhaps Mary should talk to Barry. Especially his comment about the fact that electrical rates will SKYROCKET.

Yep, gonna save us money. Just like the idiots in the legislature “saved us money” by deregulating the electrical generation industry.

GarandFan on January 28, 2012 at 3:29 PM

The more you know…

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:50 PM

And BTW, that is the sound of freedom. Nothing like a 155 round shaking the shingles to get you up in the morning.

hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 3:30 PM

hawkdriver on January 28, 2012 at 3:24 PM

A microcosm of our current troubles.

The more you know…

God, I’d like to slap zombie Nixon for going along with the creation of the EPA in the first place — much worse than Watergate IMO.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Maybe they’ll come out with a couple of new lengths of extension cords. 2, 5, and 10 mile lengths.

Oldnuke on January 28, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Or dump a couple hundred billion into a wireless electricity startup.

Hmmmmmm. Anyone know where I can find a grant/loan application? I’m sure they don’t check them too closely.

BacaDog on January 28, 2012 at 3:31 PM

Hmmmmmm. Anyone know where I can find a grant/loan application?

I’d first look at the OFA website.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 3:34 PM

Note to self: Step up efforts to flee CA.

daddysgirl on January 28, 2012 at 3:38 PM

I find it amazing a group of unelected bozos get to tell the people of the state of California what we can and cannot purchase. The communist dictatorship of California grows by leaps and bounds.

Zelsdorf Ragshaft on January 28, 2012 at 3:39 PM

What’s not explained in this report is exactly how the state government of California plans to enforce this mandate.

Easy enough. Garnish the wages of any state official or employee who doesn’t buy one.

malclave on January 28, 2012 at 3:50 PM

Doublethink

“The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies – all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.”

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 2:56 PM

After reading that, I’m suffering from Vertigo.

Mirimichi on January 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM

?

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 28, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Zero emissions, huh? When I last worked in LA as a mechanic, it was at an emissions inspection garage. We routinely got readings of zero from the tailpipe sniffer. We had to adjust the sniffer every morning to zero the meter for the background air pollution.

Translation: the exhaust coming out of the tailpipe was cleaner than the air going in. Such was the state-of-the-art on catalytic converters 35 years ago. We used to joke that you couldn’t commit suicide with a hose in the car window like those old movies showed.

So I am completely confused about these new laws. How can you get less polluting than zero? Is there really some truth to that legend that you could get a contact high from hanging out with a pothead?

platypus on January 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Zero emissions, huh? When I last worked in LA as a mechanic, it was at an emissions inspection garage. We routinely got readings of zero from the tailpipe sniffer. We had to adjust the sniffer every morning to zero the meter for the background air pollution.

Translation: the exhaust coming out of the tailpipe was cleaner than the air going in. Such was the state-of-the-art on catalytic converters 35 years ago. We used to joke that you couldn’t commit suicide with a hose in the car window like those old movies showed.

So I am completely confused about these new laws. How can you get less polluting than zero? Is there really some truth to that legend that you could get a contact high from hanging out with a pothead?

Easy, carbon dioxide is now a pollutant, not just nitrous oxide and carbon monoxide, so pollution from gasoline powered vehicles can never be ended until they cease to be. Never mind that burning coal or natural gas, no matter how cleanly, produces carbon dioxide, and that only nuclear power does not and that solar and wind power are not adequate. You must put on your doublethink cap, comrade.

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 4:09 PM

You must put on your doublethink cap, comrade.

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 4:09 PM

I kneel before your awesome awesomeness. Also, I have to hurl. If any gets on your shoes, I’ll lick it off.

Is that double-purpose enough? Oh, wait… you said doublethink. Never mind.

platypus on January 28, 2012 at 4:17 PM

platypus on January 28, 2012 at 4:00 PM

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 4:09 PM

Years ago here in MN, we used to have this, too. Every year before you could get your car license tabs, you had have your vehicle inspected. This, too, fell by the wayside. Don’t have to do this anymore.

All of this MAKE believe stuff. Why not wait until there is positive proof that something is wrong and then find a real solution and apply it?

Now to go back and read Doublethink.

Mirimichi on January 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

???

Because of the cruise-control mandate???

I’m not getting the connection.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 2:40 PM

You made the point about cars parked later and catching fire.
Ford trucks from the early 2000s or so had serious problems like that.
I see people pointing out the fire problems with the Volt but I suspect they catch fire at no higher a rate than other cars. I could be wrong and no I am not a Volt fan nor of so much overreach by our government and believe it is unconstitutional.

CW on January 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

claudius, please don’t do that to me again.

Mirimichi on January 28, 2012 at 4:21 PM

You made the point about cars parked later and catching fire.

That was someone else.

I don’t believe that cruise-control problems, although sometimes dangerous, equate with cars that catch fire all by themselves.

The last really dangerously flammable gas-powered car was the Pinto, though there were some others with lesser flammability issues (with side impact, I believe) since.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Electric cars don’t have to make sense because they are all about feelings. The feelings of the buyers, their sense of moral superiority. People in the income bracket that buy electric cars don’t have to worry about the price of gasoline or electricity. They buy these cars so they can drive with their nose in the air and show us what good people they are.

slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM

OMG, this must be the most surreal thing passed in la-la land where I reside (malheureusement :(, I am reading this incredulously…never heard of this before, but if it’s true, it beats anything that came out of the CA collective mental derangement so far…

jimver on January 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM

They buy these cars so they can drive with their nose in the air and show us what good people they are.

slickwillie2001 on January 28, 2012 at 4:32 PM

yeah, an’t wait for the Hollywood crowd to go all Chevy Volt :-)…wouldn’t be funny if they actually start carpooling too? :-)…say, Matt Damon sharing a ride with Susan Sarandon and Sean Penn :-) (barf too)

jimver on January 28, 2012 at 4:37 PM

I don’t believe that cruise-control problems, although sometimes dangerous, equate with cars that catch fire all by themselves.

hillbillyjim on January 28, 2012 at 4:25 PM

All by themselves? You do realize that cars that caught fire due to the cruise issue were often parked for the night and burned up often the car along with the house right? Yep all by themselves …not sure what that means though.

http://www.vehicle-injuries.com/ford-fire-press.htm

ALSO interesting–

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2008/04/ford_fires7.html

CW on January 28, 2012 at 4:37 PM

Another among many:

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/ford_fire_death.html

I am still searching though to compare the Volt to other models and the risk of fire.

CW on January 28, 2012 at 4:39 PM

California is a foreign country(maybe france)

gerrym51 on January 28, 2012 at 12:42 PM

You just insulted France

msupertas on January 28, 2012 at 12:46 PM

as a half-French who lives in California, I agree :-)

jimver on January 28, 2012 at 4:48 PM

We should be calling them COAL POWERED cars. Not electric powered cars. The libtards never take a moment to consider how the electricity is produced.

Tomolena1 on January 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Years ago here in MN, we used to have this, too. Every year before you could get your car license tabs, you had have your vehicle inspected. This, too, fell by the wayside. Don’t have to do this anymore.

All of this MAKE believe stuff. Why not wait until there is positive proof that something is wrong and then find a real solution and apply it?

Now to go back and read Doublethink.

Mirimichi on January 28, 2012 at 4:19 PM

In California we had to go through a smog check every two years. If you had an older car it could be real hell to pass. All smog equipment had to be as it originally came, so I had to pull my dual carbs and exhaust system every two years, to go play make-believe at a smog station. Then I’d change it all back —on two vehicles!

Now I live in Montana, where their are no smog checks. In fact all 3 of my vehicles qualify for permanent registration now, so I no longer even pay a yearly registration fee. I was up in the mountains on a logging road head to my hunting spot when I came on a guy with a Jeep CJ5. I asked him what year it was. 1965. I was so envious. If I could find a really decent CJ5 with a 2.5 liter Iron Duke in it , I’d buy it in a heartbeat.

As it is, my main hunting vehicle is a 1987 VW Vanagon Westfalia Syncro in immaculate condition. All wheel drive, locking rear end, compound low forward and reverse gears, 12 gallon water tank with sink, propane stove and refrigerator. It’s narrow and has a short wheelbase. I can pop the top and camp in style almost anywhere. The only bad part is you have to ride home with the game in the same space with you. Ever smell an antelope? In California they would have driven be off the road or into serious debt by now.

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 5:10 PM

What is the problem?

The requirment of health insurance was just the warmup

Just get ready after this for what you watch at night (only 1 in seven is to watch Fox),

which blogs you read (for every minute at HotAir at least 1 hour at abc nyt, underground or Koz),

or which news paper you read (1 in 7 is allowed to read the pollution WSJ) and how often you are allowed to not pray to DC

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And when you turn 65 you have to take your suicide pill. Don’t complain, you can choose your flavor as long as it is carb-OK
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huntingmoose on January 28, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Guess I better hurry and rebuild the Fairlane so I can fight the dominant paradigm. Of course, they’ll just try to take it away once it runs again. Key word: TRY.

Javahog on January 28, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Guess I better hurry and rebuild the Fairlane so I can fight the dominant paradigm. Of course, they’ll just try to take it away once it runs again. Key word: TRY.

Javahog on January 28, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Yeah I’m sitting in my 1946 solid oak swivel chair as I write this. I’m thinking of buying one of those big black rotary phones (although I’m not sure it will work with my cable phone setup). I take pictures with a 4×5 wooden view camera —and I’m a computer tech! My friend just put his original 1954 Lincoln back on the road and is driving around in it. A mix of old and new is good. I wish we could put the federal government back into its original pre-1964 condition.

claudius on January 28, 2012 at 5:32 PM

“It’s hard to legislate or mandate what people want to drive or to need to drive,” said Lance Roberts, spokesman for the New Car Dealers Association of San Diego County.

Hello? Obamacare ring any bells?

BlaxPac on January 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM

We should mandate that the architects of this folly have their headscput in nooses and mandate that we tthen tip the chair

Sonosam on January 28, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I mandate that they burn coal in order to create the electricity of power the batteries of these cars!!!!!!! Do these idiots have any idea how “magic” electricity is produced? I guess it is produced by Unicorn dung?

SC.Charlie on January 28, 2012 at 7:00 PM

all Public employees should set a good example and drive only EV, after all they can afford it being
subsidized by the taxpayers. I would like to drive one to save money but just can not afford one.
maybe Ill start with a nomax suit and wait for the price to come down.

MrMoe on January 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM

all Public employees should set a good example and drive only EV, after all they can afford it being
subsidized by the taxpayers. I would like to drive one to save money but just can not afford one.
maybe Ill start with a nomax suit and wait for the price to come down. – MrMoe on January 28, 2012 at 7:16 PM

No no they should be all required to use public transportation, no privately owned cars of any kind for them. If they need one for a long trip then they should then be required to use EV automobiles.

SC.Charlie on January 28, 2012 at 8:00 PM

EV’s are extremely expensive. They are toys for the super rich subsidized by the poorest of the poor in many cases through proceeds from such things as sales taxes.

crosspatch on January 28, 2012 at 8:46 PM

What a potential ‘Pandora’s box’ this is.

How many electrical charging stations will be needed ?
Who and where will these charging units be made ?
Who and where will be making the batteries for these vehicles, since
one of the subsidized companies just went belly up ?
Will there be enough electricity available for charging ?
With the decrease in gasoline sales, how will the shortfall in
gas tax for road maintenance be made up ? Tax by miles driven ?

An aside; In 1896 it took eight hours to charge the electric car batteries. Need I say more.

BillyPenn on January 28, 2012 at 10:18 PM

This is precisely why, when the Repugs take over in 2013, California should be reverted to territorial status, placed under martial law, and a military governor appointed by the Repug president. The people of that state are obviously not able to govern themselves.

wdkeller on January 28, 2012 at 11:32 PM

To continue the thought:
How will we dispose of these no-doubt hazardous materials once the batteries need to be replaced?
Will we have to build a dam across Yosemite Valley to produce enough h2o power for all our cars?
Is this all a sick plot to force us onto the bullet train?

As for the decrease in gasoline sales, the set-up is already there: toll lanes are being introduced in Northern California. All they will have to do is make ALL the lanes toll lanes. bingo.

Yep, we’re living the dream out here…

Javahog on January 28, 2012 at 11:33 PM

Its almost 70 outside right now here in OC. I dont want to leave this state.

newportmike on January 29, 2012 at 12:42 AM

“Governor Moonbeam” and his Green Goofuses have stepped in it again!!!

The California Highway Department had better stock up on some high-loaders to pick up all of the dead electrics and get them out of the way of useful vehicles!!!

And the CA fire departments had better figure out how to put out lots of car fires without using water!!!

landlines on January 29, 2012 at 1:18 AM

I see people pointing out the fire problems with the Volt but I suspect they catch fire at no higher a rate than other cars. I could be wrong and no I am not a Volt fan nor of so much overreach by our government and believe it is unconstitutional.

CW on January 28, 2012 at 4:20 PM

The problem with your analysis (and the official excuse for Volt fires) is that NORMAL cars don’t catch fire just because they get wet!!! This is an entirely NEW problem caused by STUPIDITY which caused the building of a vehicle which can catch fire just because you drove through a puddle!!!!

Does anyone really think that it is possible to keep the engine and battery compartments watertight in normal usage???

And what about the safety of maintenance personnel?? In a Volt they have to deal with air bag explosives, lethal high voltages, and now chemical fires!!!! How much do you think they will end up charging you….assuming that their Workers Comp insurance will even permit them to do this kind of work????

landlines on January 29, 2012 at 1:26 AM

Its almost 70 outside right now here in OC. I dont want to leave this state.

newportmike on January 29, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Here in NW Montana it’s 33 and snowing, Usually we’ve had at least one 20 below day by now. Folks are despondent that winter is passing us by, especially the ice fishing nuts. I was hoping for some cross country skiing, but it’ll be warmer and slushy tomorrow, leaving not much to do but post inane messages. Hopefully the deer and antelope will like it.

claudius on January 29, 2012 at 1:32 AM

CommieFornia will be nice again, once the idiots starve from not allowing trucks in, or farmers to irrigate, or workers to drive to work…then we can re-colonize. It has a generally nice climate :)

Who is John Galt on January 29, 2012 at 1:52 AM

They’ve tried this same scheme before. Why are there so many nutjobs in my state?

Decoski on January 29, 2012 at 6:27 AM

We should be calling them COAL POWERED cars. Not electric powered cars. The libtards never take a moment to consider how the electricity is produced.

Tomolena1 on January 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Actually, power in California comes from natural gas and hydroelectric sources.

Decoski on January 29, 2012 at 6:30 AM

Oh, and some nuclear.

Decoski on January 29, 2012 at 6:30 AM

CommieFornia will be nice again, once the idiots starve from not allowing trucks in, or farmers to irrigate, or workers to drive to work…then we can re-colonize. It has a generally nice climate :) Who is John Galt on January 29, 2012 at 1:52 AM

True, but southern California would not exist without stealing nearly all the water from other sources.

SC.Charlie on January 29, 2012 at 8:05 AM

Keep it up California! Georgia and Florida, both right to work states, are turning into the TV and Movie producing capital of the world. Three new studios have opened up in the Atlanta Metro area. Why would anyone want to do business in California?

Electric cars without the electricity to re-charge the batteries, now that sounds like policy out of the feckless Obama administration.

Between the riots in Oakland and Governor Moonbeam, why would anyone want to move to a cesspool that California has become?

Atlanta Media Guy on January 29, 2012 at 8:13 AM

It’s an Obama World. Everything according to his plan! Hope and Change are code words for Harass and Carnage!

Atlanta Media Guy on January 29, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Doesn’t California suffer brown outs because they refuse to generate electricity? Funny how electric car proponents always forget you still need electricity – which despite their hallucinations, doesn’t magically come from nowhere. I’m not sure why these people lack such common sense.

tyketto on January 28, 2012 at 2:30 PM

They have no basic concept of math or science because they have been taught by people with no basic concept of math or science, who in turn were taught by people with no basic concept of math or science. This is one of Obama’s many problems. He really doesn’t understnnd what a trillion is. He really doesn’t understand that the Buffett tax will only pay for 4 days’ spending. He really doesn’t know where electricity comes from.

Younger Amercians are now becoming several generations removed from any real understanding of how the things we use in our daily lives work or what goes into making them or supporting them. Most activists and occupiers don’t. Therefore ther nebulous “goals” have no basis in reality and are unworkable

talkingpoints on January 29, 2012 at 8:35 AM

Let em’.

Let em’ mandate… How many swipes you can make in the toilet a day.

Do it CA. Just do it.

Limerick on January 28, 2012 at 1:26 PM

Suggested by Sheryl Crow, remember?

TinMan13 on January 29, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output, threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season available for growing food.

Global Cooling!!! Run for your lives!

Huckabye-Romney on January 29, 2012 at 5:44 PM

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