Jack Welch: Be nice to Ron Paul supporters because we’re gonna need ‘em

posted at 3:00 pm on January 27, 2012 by Tina Korbe

Last night, Ron Paul had a particularly impressive debate. He wasn’t as long-winded as usual, he made at least one quip that had the audience laughing with him and not at him, and he spoke as well as usual about the need for sound fiscal policy. Perhaps his relaxed demeanor stemmed in part from the fact that he’s not putting too much effort into the Florida primary. Whatever the reason, his relative calmness in this debate was a welcome relief from the more strident tones he frequently sounds in these contests.

Nevertheless, his debate performance probably won’t translate into greater support in the Sunshine State. Folks 65 and older make up a larger share of Florida’s population than they do of the national population — and kids 18 and younger make up a smaller share of Florida’s population than they do of the national population. While Ron Paul himself falls into the first category, many of his supporters fall into the second category.

Furthermore, Paul is not only unlikely to do well in Florida: As in his last two bids for the presidency, he remains highly unlikely to actually capture the nomination. Yet, Paul remains unique among the remaining GOP candidates. He’s the spokesman for his own libertarian cause — and his supporters aren’t nearly as “transferable” as the other contenders’ fans are.

That fact has at least one prominent businessman speculating as to how to retain the support of Paulites if Ron Paul drops out of the race. Jack Welch, the former CEO of General Electric and an open Mitt Romney supporter, wrote a column for Reuters in which he expressed the need to reach out to Ron Paul fans and also appeared on CNN’s “Starting Point with Soledad O’Brien” to reiterate the points he made in that piece. Political Ticker reports:

“There can be no brush-off. No ‘Phew, he’s gone. Now let’s get down to business.’ No booby prize. Ron Paul needs to be given a role that really means something to him – a role with influence and voice,” Welch wrote in the column.

The former CEO suggested giving Paul whatever he wants, whether it’s a prominent role at the convention or an advisory position in a new administration.

“Like a business leader designing a severance package with a key player, the GOP leadership’s mindset must be: ‘When he walks out that door, Ron Paul is going to be a friend for life’,” he wrote.

Sitting by his side in the CNN interview on Friday, Suzy Welch added they know a thing or two about Paul supporters, as their four children are all fans of the congressman.

“If you let them go, they’re not going to go into the booth and they’re not going to pull the lever for whoever the nominee is,” she said. “If you alienate them…either they’ll stay home or they’ll work against you.”

Sarah Palin, too, has said the GOP needs to make room for Ron Paul followers. I agree with both Welch and Palin. Not only that, but I think the eventual GOP nominee needs to learn a crucial lesson from Ron Paul: Young people really don’t appreciate pandering and politicking. To capture the millennial vote, the GOP nominee will need to level with us about who he is and about the difficult economic realities that face the nation — and offer pragmatic solutions.


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Be nice to Ron Paul supporters because we’re gonna need ‘em

Why? Is there a famine coming?

Kent18 on January 27, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Alright, everyone shave off one eyebrow.

Bishop on January 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM

Romney/Paul 2012

hanzblinx on January 27, 2012 at 3:02 PM

OK, but a year from now, we get to cut 10 percent of the party, and that’s probably all of the RP supporters :)

thebrokenrattle on January 27, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Plus there’s the fact that about 90% of what Paul says is right. If he were a hawk on foreign policy he’d be almost the perfect candidate.

SirGawain on January 27, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Be nice to RP fans, but you conservatives eh not so much…

MontanaMmmm on January 27, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Lets face it…. Obama’s gonna win. Unless economy explodes again-

davemason2k on January 27, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Paul is funny, and smart, were he not so crazy on a few items.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2012 at 3:04 PM

RP supporters aren’t going to vote for Romney. No way, no how.

Fletch54 on January 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

I agree, but some of his supporters make that a very difficult proposition. Not that Romney and Gingrich don’t have their nutballs as well.

cozmo on January 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Ron Paul is way wacky on some things…but if 25% or more of his ideas make sense…Why not listen?
Right now you have a party on the other side who wants it their way only…while accusing the other side of being the party of NO.
They have a plantation…we need to be the tent!

KOOLAID2 on January 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM

To capture the millennial vote, the GOP nominee will need to level with us about who he is and about the difficult economic realities that face the nation — and offer pragmatic solutions.

You’re asking a politician to be honest?

rndmusrnm on January 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM

I’ll consider it if he’ll get a decent fitting suit. Also, could we keep him away from the defense budget?

a capella on January 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Sarah Palin, too, has said the GOP needs to make room for Ron Paul followers. I agree with both Welch and Palin.

No conceivable way, thanks. And I don’t recall Buckley making an impassioned plea to accommodate members of The John Birch Society, whose repugnant views are virtually interchangeable with those held by Ron Paul and his supporters, complete with the same antisemitic and racist overtones.

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM

As a general rule, I’m reluctant to brush off supporters of any republican candidate. I mean seriously, at the very least its impolite to demean people for supporting a candidate you do not personally like.

It’s a small difference in opinion ultimately. People with different opinions work together all the time. There’s no reason we shouldn’t try to.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Romney/(Rand)Paul 2012

rhombus on January 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM

May be the camera angle, lens and lighting, but I swear Welch looks like Gov. Moonbeam in the photo posted for this thread.

de rigueur on January 27, 2012 at 3:09 PM

Ron Paul, secretary of the treasury.

tozee on January 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM

I’ll consider it if he’ll get a decent fitting suit. Also, could we keep him away from the defense budget?

a capella on January 27, 2012 at 3:08 PM

Yea, if anything we need to spend MORE on defense. Can’t let those Iranians take over our country. /s

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM

RP supporters aren’t going to vote for Romney. No way, no how.

Fletch54 on January 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Third party? But,..he promised not to do that.

a capella on January 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

But the Mittbots keep saying they don’t need anyone except liberal Republicans and independents to win.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Don’t agree with Paul’s foreign policy but he’s made us look more critically at our recent adventures in the Middle East which bear re-assessment. Fiscally he’s on target but sadly too aggressive for the wimpy Independent vote. Closest candidate to fiscal conservative Tea Party thinking. Welch, whom I’m still pissed at for selecting the Obamabot as his successor, is right saying that a substantive role for RP needs to be found.

philw1776 on January 27, 2012 at 3:11 PM

Yes be nice to Ron Paul supporters for we will indeed need them. Now those Palin supporters are another story altogether… /s

Pqlyur1 on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

PS

Actually I would tend to agree that Paul deserves a position of greater influence somewhere. I’m not sure where you could put him in the administration, since he wants to dismantle so much of the executive branch. I cannot imagine there isn’t SOME sort of rule he wouldn’t be well suited for though.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

It is comforting to hear some rational thought unencumbered by defeatist snark.

Welch must have to lead in the real world.

Leaders have to finish every communication by telling the followers what the followers need to do to create an upbeat goal.

jimw on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

The crazy aunt in the attic is still family and besides if you tick her off, she can burn the house down.

KW64 on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Considering the racist, anti-semitic, anti-military comments thrown around by his supporters on this very blog, Herr Doktor supporters can go suck monkey balls.

catmman on January 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM

PS

Actually I would tend to agree that Paul deserves a position of greater influence somewhere. I’m not sure where you could put him in the administration, since he wants to dismantle so much of the executive branch. I cannot imagine there isn’t SOME sort of rule he wouldn’t be well suited for though.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

He doesn’t want a role. Any agency he would be put in charge of he would simply shut down, so I dont know what the purpose would be. He is one of those crazy conservatives who when they say are for cutting the size of government ACTUALLY MEAN IT.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

RP supporters aren’t going to vote for Romney. No way, no how.

Fletch54 on January 27, 2012 at 3:07 PM

Agreed. You have only to regularly read the (literally) thousands of slaveringly Paul-centric commenter postings daily, over at the Reason site, to see that.

If Paul ends up not running in November, the overwhelming majority of his devotees will immediately switch allegiance to either:

a.) Gary Johnson; or
b.) Barack Obama, by their own stated admission.

Them’s the facts, like ‘em or not.

Kent18 on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Yea, if anything we need to spend MORE on defense. Can’t let those Iranians take over our country. /s

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:10 PM

LOL. Of course not. Dialogue is the answer. Like with Castro.

a capella on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Maybe we can put him on Newt’s “Gold Commission”

KW64 on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Jack Walsh should be the moderator for these stupid debates.

Not dults like Wolf Britzer (sp?)

jake-the-goose on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Jack Welch: Be nice to Ron Paul supporters because we’re gonna need ‘em

Nonsense.

Even after running (and losing) in all 50 states last primary, including all the open primaries where anyone could vote for him – he only got 5% of the republican primary vote. I’d say at least half of those would never vote republican anyway.

The pander to Ronbots, just like how we need to pander to homosexuals, is simply rediculous considering how tiny the real numbers are.

Rebar on January 27, 2012 at 3:15 PM

I like Ron Paul 80% of the time. At least he’s consistant in fiscal matters (even if he goofs a bit on the earmark principle.)

Fallon on January 27, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Considering the racist, anti-semitic, anti-military comments thrown around by his supporters on this very blog, Herr Doktor supporters can go suck monkey balls.

catmman on January 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM

Haven’t seen a single racist or anti-semetic or anti-military comment from a RP supporter on Hot Air. Unless of course you consider being against affirmative action racist. Or being against endless support for Israel anti-semitic. Or wanting to cut the military budget anti-military.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

the man profited off Jew- hatred and racism for decades, to the tune of millions of dollars just because people have a following doesn’t mean we have to embrace his madness. Young people support Paul because he is the edgy against the grain anti-war guy, they all supported obama in the last election, mainstreaming his views will do nothing more than re-invigorate the Paleo-con Lew Rockwell base,the GOP will lose many more people than they will gain, he has stormfront members on the ground campaigning for him

golembythehudson on January 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

I thought he was retiring.

dmn1972 on January 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Has anyone bought the cookbook from his site? Is it any good?

:)

Fallon on January 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

LOL. Of course not. Dialogue is the answer. Like with Castro.

a capella on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

Well yea, obviously YOUR way has worked WONDERS with Castro. We should keep on doing it because of how wildly successful it has been all over the world.

OH WAIT . . . . . .

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

It would be easier to be NICE to Ron Paul supporters, if Ron Paul supporters were NICE to others.

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

He could have Lew Rockwell as his COS. They seem to be close.

a capella on January 27, 2012 at 3:19 PM

So the only way to avoid alienating the kindergarten is to make nice to the teacher?

Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich both went after Bernanke, but I guess only the Paul Cult needs stroking.

Seth Halpern on January 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

It would be easier to be NICE to Ron Paul supporters, if Ron Paul supporters were NICE to others.

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2012 at 3:18 PM

LOL, look at the comments in this thread alone. Who are the people calling others names?

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

PS

Actually I would tend to agree that Paul deserves a position of greater influence somewhere. I’m not sure where you could put him in the administration, since he wants to dismantle so much of the executive branch. I cannot imagine there isn’t SOME sort of rule he wouldn’t be well suited for though.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

He doesn’t want a role. Any agency he would be put in charge of he would simply shut down, so I dont know what the purpose would be. He is one of those crazy conservatives who when they say are for cutting the size of government ACTUALLY MEAN IT.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I know, which is why I’m thinking it’d almost HAVE to be a mostly advisory role. I dunno, create a new position, make him the head of the Department of Keeping Mitt Romney Honest.

You know, a constitutional adviser, basically.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM

I know, which is why I’m thinking it’d almost HAVE to be a mostly advisory role. I dunno, create a new position, make him the head of the Department of Keeping Mitt Romney Honest.

You know, a constitutional adviser, basically.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:21 PM

Oh yea, he would be thrilled with a new government position being created for him. . . .

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

Well, commenter Jerry Bear takes many opportunities to espouse the superiority and inherent pride he has for his “European whiteness”.

Dante and Pitchforker expended many a comment calling our military folks fascists, murderers and baby killers.

Dante (or was it Pitchforker) is pretty hip on blaming the Mossad for 9/11.

They continually insulted some of our own wounded warriors commenters.

Ed has already had to ban a couple.

Don’t tell me it ain’t happening bud. It is.

catmman on January 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM

If Paul ends up not running in November, the overwhelming majority of his devotees will immediately switch allegiance to either:

a.) Gary Johnson; or –
b.) Barack Obama, by their own stated admission.

Them’s the facts, like ‘em or not.

Kent18 on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

That’s Welch’s argument. If the GOP adopted some of Paul’s views, they wouldn’t flee to a 3rd party or Obama.

But it is the STUPID PARTY so I’m not holding my breath for this to happen.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Rick Perry and Newt Gingrich both went after Bernanke, but I guess only the Paul Cult needs stroking.

Seth Halpern on January 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

They assume we will fall in line you see.

MontanaMmmm on January 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Oh yea, he would be thrilled with a new government position being created for him. . . .

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Sure he would, just give him a cane and first dibs on whacking Romney in the shins if he crosses the line.

In all honesty though, adults can usually find a way to work together. Particularly if they think it’d be mutually beneficial to do so.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Jack Welch endorses Ron Paul, he must be burned at the stake for heresy.

/Mittbot

RickB on January 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM

catmman on January 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM

And Jailbreak (Romney devotee) has to use the word idiot or moron in every post he/she makes.

Every candidate will have nutjob fans.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM

My guess is that it is a waste of time to appeal to Paulites. Once Paul loses (and he will) they will go back into the woodwork from whence they came, they won’t vote (just like before Paul came around) and they will be a non factor in politics.

Warner Todd Huston on January 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Jack Welch: Be nice to Ron Paul supporters because we’re gonna need ‘em

But we can brush off the Santorum and Gingrich supporters because they’ll vote for Mitt no matter what.

The establishment has one hell of a wake-up call coming their way in November.

Stoic Patriot on January 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM

“Actually I would tend to agree that Paul deserves a position of greater influence somewhere. I’m not sure where you could put him in the administration, since he wants to dismantle so much of the executive branch.”

Yeah, so what, we are conservatives but we don’t want to downsize any of these actual departments? The people on this site must be nutty faux-conservatives.

Why not put him in charge of something and let him hack it down to size? That would be a refreshing change.

PrincetonAl on January 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM

If he works in a Republican administration he needs to wear one of those anti-barking electric dog collars, retuned so it shocks when it hears the word ‘Jew’.

slickwillie2001 on January 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

catmman on January 27, 2012 at 3:23 PM

If its happening its in threads I don’t read. And I read 99% of the Ron Paul threads. Can you link to one of those comments so I don’t just have to take YOUR word for it. I trust next to nothing of what you say.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:27 PM

He is one of those crazy conservatives who when they say are for cutting the size of government ACTUALLY MEAN IT.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM

He may ‘mean’ it, but he’s never done it.

Nuclear Iran? Paul’s not concerned about that either.

Neville Chamberlain will not win anything, even if by some miracle he gets the nom, his racist, antisemitic back story will rightly keep him out of office. The media will make sure of that.

I haven’t seen all the debates, so I don’t know. But has any moderator called out Paul on his newsletter history? It is astonishing to me that they’ve gotten so little MSM play. Maybe MSM wants to keep the unelectable Paul in the game as a GOP monkey wrench. Wouldn’t be the first time Paul has been their useful idiot.

shinty on January 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

he has stormfront members on the ground campaigning for him

golembythehudson on January 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

1. Do you have proof of this?
2. Obama has black panthers blocking voting centers for him.

Out of millions of supporters every candidate will have extremists working for him. I’m sure if you look long enough you’ll find a Romney or Gingrich supporter that killed someone. Are you going to say that Romney/Gingrich is only liked by killers?

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

It comes down to this….. Ron Paul’s numbers and his positions aren’t going to be a match for Obama’s machine, just the way it is. With every act President Obama and his minions put through we have more ammunition to band together against them….Time for our boys to stop playing army in the sandbox and start acting like they are worthy of our vote and the title of President Of The United States!

ActinUpinTexas on January 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Who is telling the Ron Paul supporters to be nice to the rest of us?

I’m a little tired of being called a warmongering, Neocon, baby-killer. stooge of the Israeli lobby because I don’t believe we can defend the US with submarines alone.

Although they are right about all those South Korean terrorists who are constantly killing innocent people. After all, we have troops on their soil, which justifies every merciless act of barbarism they commit.

mankai on January 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Sure he would, just give him a cane and first dibs on whacking Romney in the shins if he crosses the line.

In all honesty though, adults can usually find a way to work together. Particularly if they think it’d be mutually beneficial to do so.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM

Except there is no upside for Ron Paul. Working in a Romney administration where Romney does literally EVERYTHING Ron Paul has been wailing against would invalidate everything he has said and all of the support he has built. He would quit within weeks and it would be a vote of no confidence in Romney. The first time Romney didn’t take cutting government seriously, which will be day 1, or the first time Romney signs some ridiculous legislation like NDAA or gets involved in a foreign country we have no business getting involved in.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Haven’t seen a single racist or anti-semetic or anti-military comment from a RP supporter on Hot Air. Unless of course you consider being against affirmative action racist. Or being against endless support for Israel anti-semitic. Or wanting to cut the military budget anti-military.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:16 PM

That’s an outright lie, not just a slight stretching of the truth. There have been a number of Ron Paul supporters who swarmed in during the last open registration (now many thankfully no longer posting here) whose views were indistinguishable from those found on Stormfront forums, which is where most of them came from. And speaking of Stormfront, go check out that and similar sites–to which I won’t link here–such as American Renaissance and National Alliance, to name a few. Read the comments and the articles mentioning Paul. Dr. Ron Paul is highly regarded in those circles. Look for yourself.

So yeah, thphilli, I just resorted to name-calling by calling you a liar. Is name-calling still name-calling if it’s true?

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM

That’s Welch’s argument. If the GOP adopted some of Paul’s views, they wouldn’t flee to a 3rd party or Obama.

But it is the STUPID PARTY so I’m not holding my breath for this to happen.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM

I understand that’s his argument. I just don’t agree with it, having read so extensively on the Reason board over the past two years or so, is all.

No one even idly considering voting for a naked, unapologetic redistributionist like Barack Obama would ever willingly cast their ballot for a reasonably (and demonstrably) conservative candidate. There’s no place where those two poles even meet, ultimately. (Please note, I’m specifically stating: demonstrably conservative. No tossing weak-kneed crap like Mittens, the Hair That Walked Like a Man at me, in response.) ;)

Kent18 on January 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM

He may ‘mean’ it, but he’s never done it.

Nuclear Iran? Paul’s not concerned about that either.

Neville Chamberlain will not win anything, even if by some miracle he gets the nom, his racist, antisemitic back story will rightly keep him out of office. The media will make sure of that.

I haven’t seen all the debates, so I don’t know. But has any moderator called out Paul on his newsletter history? It is astonishing to me that they’ve gotten so little MSM play. Maybe MSM wants to keep the unelectable Paul in the game as a GOP monkey wrench. Wouldn’t be the first time Paul has been their useful idiot.

shinty on January 27, 2012 at 3:28 PM

It has come up in multiple debates and was nonstop in the media for an entire week with multiple interviews done by him. What are you talking about?

As for Iran, what do you propose we do? Bombing wont work as they are buried hundreds of meters deep. The only thing that will work is a ground invasion. Are you advocating for that? You seriously think the American people will tolerate ANOTHER 10yr war? If so, you are the nut.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Who is telling the Ron Paul supporters to be nice to the rest of us?

I’m a little tired of being called a warmongering, Neocon, baby-killer. stooge of the Israeli lobby because I don’t believe we can defend the US with submarines alone.

mankai on January 27, 2012 at 3:30 PM

Ditto, mankai.

Stoic Patriot on January 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Yeah, so what, we are conservatives but we don’t want to downsize any of these actual departments? The people on this site must be nutty faux-conservatives.

Why not put him in charge of something and let him hack it down to size? That would be a refreshing change.

PrincetonAl on January 27, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Oh, I want to downsize each and every single federal department out there. Heck, in a few cases it probably makes sense to consolidate many of these departments.

Ron Paul however wants to get rid of about half the federal government entirely, without replacing them with anything. I actually think that’s a highly defensible position, but good luck getting the legislature to go along with it. Trimming and consolidation is probably a lot more realistic for the time being.

WolvenOne on January 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

We are gonna need them? They are gonna vote Obama anyway. All Ron Paul supporters are, are just Obama supporters that just happen to hate Jews a little more than Obama.

The Notorious G.O.P on January 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

He’d make a good blue ribbon commissioner head to study – for the 817th time – how best to balance the budget.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Look at the bright side. By 2016 the country will surely be tired of a Democrat president.

Right?

We are so screwed.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Ron Paul says that his foreign policy is built on a Bible verse (“Do unto others…”) which means that he’s a nutjob who has a not-so-secret goal of instituting a theocracy as soon as he grabs the reins of power. He listens to a magic wizard in the sky instead of the Constitution!

/

mankai on January 27, 2012 at 3:35 PM

Wasn’t that Welch up in the Presidential gallery during the SOTU?

Oops, that was Warren Buffet’s secretary

My mistake

entagor on January 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

This is beyond Delusional and ignorant suggestion and has Zero Clue as to who Ron Paul is and where he comes from and what his Objectives are.

Put Paul on the RNC stage and the MSM will have the entire GOP labeled racist, crackpot Holocaust deniers by the end of that week. Easily.

jp on January 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

That’s an outright lie, not just a slight stretching of the truth. There have been a number of Ron Paul supporters who swarmed in during the last open registration (now many thankfully no longer posting here) whose views were indistinguishable from those found on Stormfront forums, which is where most of them came from. And speaking of Stormfront, go check out that and similar sites–to which I won’t link here–such as American Renaissance and National Alliance, to name a few. Read the comments and the articles mentioning Paul. Dr. Ron Paul is highly regarded in those circles. Look for yourself.

So yeah, thphilli, I just resorted to name-calling by calling you a liar. Is name-calling still name-calling if it’s true?

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:31 PM

No I won’t go check out those sites. It makes me wonder how you know first of all so many white supremacist sites, and secondly how you know what they are posting.

And now we are holding our politicians to task over who supports them? I don’t care who racist people support or don’t support. It makes no difference in my opinion of a person. If a politician advocates for less government and white supremacists want less government, all of a sudden I can’t support the guy who wants less government because doing so would align me with racists?

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

That’s Welch’s argument. If the GOP adopted some of Paul’s views, they wouldn’t flee to a 3rd party or Obama.

But it is the STUPID PARTY so I’m not holding my breath for this to happen.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:24 PM

Adopt some of Paul’s views? I’m sorry, I just can’t buy into that whole Zionist international banker conspiracy thing. And that bit about spider-goat DNA hybrids being bred in secret laboratories by diabolical scientists in the employ of the Bilderbergers working in collusion with the Illuminati?

I just don’t know, man. I just don’t know.

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

How much does Jack Welch’s secretary make?

That’s the real issue here.

/

mankai on January 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM

“Like a business leader designing a severance package with a key player, the GOP leadership’s mindset must be: ‘When he walks out that door, Ron Paul is going to be a friend for life’,” he wrote.

Now there’s a man who gets it.

JohnGalt23 on January 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM

What are you talking about?

As for Iran, what do you propose we do? Bombing wont work as they are buried hundreds of meters deep. The only thing that will work is a ground invasion. Are you advocating for that? You seriously think the American people will tolerate ANOTHER 10yr war? If so, you are the nut.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:33 PM

I didn’t call anyone a nut.

Paul has never played a serious role in congress. He’s never cut any spending. He’s never accomplished anything in congress of any kind. He’s all talk, whether he ‘means’ what he says or not.

Paul shrugs off a nuclear Iran. So just stop for a moment and consider that. That’s just not responsible. And maybe there’s a middle ground between doing nothing on one end and a ten year war on the other?

shinty on January 27, 2012 at 3:39 PM

I’ll repeat what probably at least twenty posters said before me. If a divine lightning strike could turn him into a foreign policy hawk and maybe make him 10 years younger, Ron Paul would be a perfect candidate. Nobody except professional spinmeisters care what was in a newsletter that was printed and forgotten 20 years ago, and there is very, very little else to knock him down with.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 3:40 PM

It makes me wonder how you know first of all so many white supremacist sites, and secondly how you know what they are posting.

thphilli on January 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

So, my secret is out. Had to happen eventually, I suppose. It’s true: I’m a double-double agent for Der Bruder Schweigen, hiding my true Aryan identity behind the false front of a mixed-race heritage and luring unsuspecting white people to The Truth by a mixture of legerdemain and fox-like cunning. But no, I’ve said too much. Fortunately for me, I keep a small capsule of cyanide sewn into the inseam of my black leather trenchcoat for just such an exigency. I’ll never see an Internet courtroom.

Eine Reich, eine Volk, eine Paul!

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

Having worked for Jack for years I can say he is as sharp as they come. Jeffrey Immelt is cut from a different cloth and can not hold a candle to Jack.
I’d like to see all the people on the right get behind Romney including the Paul supporters. We will need to be united to defeat the socialist Oblamer.

ObamatheMessiah on January 27, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Eine Reich, eine Volk, eine Paul!

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM

When you post your senseless drivel, at least do ensure that the tiny bits of actual information you include are factually correct. “Eine Paul” is in your imagination only; in political reality, there are at least two of them.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

@ thphilli
If Paul wants to shut down whole departments, why not let him run several. EPA, Education, Commerce, FCC would be a good portfolio for someone ready to wreak havoc in useless bureacracies.

WhatNot on January 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

He’s right, guys. No more making fun of Stormfront and OWS. I’m sure they’ll be there to vote for Newt or Mitt after Paul loses.

bernverdnardo1 on January 27, 2012 at 3:51 PM

If their feeling hurt easily, they wouldn’t have remained Paul supporters for very long.

Although perhaps they don’t read the replies their cut and past missives get.

NoDonkey on January 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM

If you’ve noticed, romney has never pandered to Ron Paul, ala Newt, and he has been very careful to not criticize or make any comments about his electibility.

Tater Salad on January 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Why would;nt we be welcoming to Paul and his supporters? They are going to be the ones keeping the fiscal leash on this party…

Like it or not, Ron Paul style Libertarianism is going to be one of the cornerstones of the conservative movement.(if it isnt already)

In one election cycle, he’s gone from 5 percent to 10 percent in the polls and it’s only going to grow from there.

His son Rand will pick up the torch in 2016 or 2020 and will be more articulate and attractive when it comes to communication and debate and he will also be not as heavy on foreign policy. By 2020 he could be looking at 30% of the vote.

Zybalto on January 27, 2012 at 3:54 PM

If a divine lightning strike could turn him into a foreign policy hawk and maybe make him 10 years younger, Ron Paul would be a perfect candidate. Nobody except professional spinmeisters care what was in a newsletter that was printed and forgotten 20 years ago, and there is very, very little else to knock him down with.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 3:40 PM

I think the media would make America care.

If nominated, every American would be able to quote from memory the racist, antisemitic passages in Paul’s newsletters. MSM would make sure of that. And then we would get another Obama term.

How do Paul supporters brush this off so nonchalantly? Both the character implications of his newsletters and their effect of a guaranteed Obama victory…

But I agree, if Paul could be miraculously transformed into another person he’d have a much better shot.

shinty on January 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM

The country is probably ready more than ever for some libertarian ideas. Paul is just not a good messenger, period. Sorry when you start with it’s all the evil USA’s fault as to why terrorists hate us you’ve lost me and many other people who might be open to your ideas. Throw in all the conspiracy theories and you’ve doubled down on the stoopid. If there was some sanity and franfly a little humility to Paul and his supporters I’d listen. My advice to them would be to tone down on the truther legalizing pot crap and people will start taking you seriously. Paul has ran a few times now and will probably end up with the same amount of support as before. The tea party and libertarians have alot in common in fact many cross over. If we could find the right candidate I think some gains can be made.

Minnfidel on January 27, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Adopt some of Paul’s views? I’m sorry, I just can’t buy into that whole Zionist international banker conspiracy thing. And that bit about spider-goat DNA hybrids being bred in secret laboratories by diabolical scientists in the employ of the Bilderbergers working in collusion with the Illuminati?

I just don’t know, man. I just don’t know.

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:36 PM

You could be an a$$wipe. Or you could acknowledge that I was talking about his fiscal view. You chose the former.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Nobody except professional spinmeisters care what was in a newsletter that was printed and forgotten 20 years ago, and there is very, very little else to knock him down with.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Well, they concern me a little if he was using Stormfront mailing lists to solicit business. There is also that little bit about him applying for earmarks then voting no on the bill when he knew it would pass anyway, so he could claim to have never voted for his own earmark. Got an odor about it.

a capella on January 27, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Nobody except professional spinmeisters care what was in a newsletter that was printed and forgotten 20 years ago, and there is very, very little else to knock him down with.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Herr Doktor cared enough to say he didn’t have anything to do with them – except when that lie was exposed and he flip-flopped.

catmman on January 27, 2012 at 3:58 PM

When you post your senseless drivel, at least do ensure that the tiny bits of actual information you include are factually correct. “Eine Paul” is in your imagination only; in political reality, there are at least two of them.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 3:49 PM

*cough* Before I go *cough* tell them: fluoride is mind control. Tell them. Tell them all…*gasp* *choke*

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:58 PM

This from the man that came up with the asinine policy of forced ranking.

sadatoni on January 27, 2012 at 3:59 PM

might be a terrible choice for something like Sec State, but RP as Treasury Sec…. why not?

maineconservative on January 27, 2012 at 4:00 PM

*cough* Before I go *cough* tell them: fluoride is mind control. Tell them. Tell them all…*gasp* *choke*

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I’ll let you on the secret: that ain’t fluoride in your bottle.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

You could be an a$$wipe. Or you could acknowledge that I was talking about his fiscal view. You chose the former.

angryed on January 27, 2012 at 3:57 PM

You can’t split the difference with the fringe: crazy doesn’t compartmentalize. And like I said, I can’t despise Ron Paul or his little cult-like true believers enough. I intend to treat them with outright derision and hostility whenever I encounter them.

btw, the GOP is the Party of Lincoln. Ask any Ron Paul follower what he (and it’s always a he) thinks about Abraham Lincoln.

troyriser_gopftw on January 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM

I’m not for purging anyone. If I were, I’d have argued for throwing Gingrich out for his collaboration with Al Gore on “climate change.”

That doesn’t mean anyone gets a pass on lies, stupidity, or evil.

Paul’s “Campaign for Liberty” website was found to have an ad for a book claiming the old antisemitic hoax Protocols of the Elders of Zion was based in truth. Paulbots cried foul immediately. They first claimed there was no such ad – but the internet is forever: they had scrubbed it.

Then they claimed the guy who put up the post with the ad was “just a regular member” after scrubbing his bio. Again, cached versions show he had been listed as a “coordinator” in Arizona.

If there were nothing to it, why try to cover it up? Plus we now hear that Paul indeed edited and approved every issue of his Newsletter before it went out, and that he was targeting extremists because they were more likely to fork out money.

I’m for a Big Tent for all, but Free Passes for none.

Adjoran on January 27, 2012 at 4:03 PM

How do Paul supporters brush this off so nonchalantly? Both the character implications of his newsletters and their effect of a guaranteed Obama victory…

shinty on January 27, 2012 at 3:55 PM

Well, I happen to be Jewish and I don’t think myself a Paul supporter (my daughter is), and I’m not the least bit offended. Plus, I take the “guaranteed Obama victory” statement with a large grain of salt. By the posters here, we’ll pretty much have it anyway, with any candidate.

Archivarix on January 27, 2012 at 4:04 PM

Oh. Does he think the Ron Paul supporters will make up for the Newt-Palin-Tea Partiers who have left the building?

Portia46 on January 27, 2012 at 4:08 PM

catmman on January 27, 2012 at 3:13 PM

How does the saying go? Those who live in glass houses… How does the ending go?

gyrmnix on January 27, 2012 at 4:10 PM

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