Why would conservatives wish for a brokered convention?

posted at 11:35 am on January 26, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Every four years, the media likes to speculate about brokered conventions, an outcome from a primary season that hasn’t happened in more than a half-century.  This time around, the talk of brokered conventions includes conservatives who see that outcome as a way to clear the decks and find a true grassroots-style conservative rather than an establishment candidate to top the ticket in November.  Joe Scarborough said last week that “conservative movers and shakers in Washington” tell him that backing Newt Gingrich is only a game of keep-away preventing Mitt Romney from winning the nomination outright, and that they hope for a brokered convention that produces another candidate altogether:

SCARBOROUGH: You know, the people I always talk about.  People say, Joe, don’t you love the Republican party?  Yes! Chris Christie.  Jeb Bush.  Mitch Daniels.  Paul Ryan.

MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Are we talking about these guys again?  Is this what has happened?

SCARBOROUGH: This is important for people at home to understand this. You know I’ve been talking quietly to the most powerful, I think, conservative movers-and-shakers in Washington over the past couple weeks, trying to get their read. Are we really going down this path? Every single one I’ve spoken to is trying to figure out a way to get to a brokered convention. Everyone thinks, resents the fact that Mitt Romney’s people think that he’s entitled to this.  I don’t know if it’s possible or not.  But that’s what the Republican establisment wants.

The Christian Science Monitor reported on the “rumblings” yesterday:

More than ever, the 2012 nominating process is confounding pundits and proving unpredictable. It’s unlikely that any candidate will wrap up the nomination quickly, and now buzz – which has been present for some time – is increasing about the possibility of a brokered convention and even a late-entrant candidate.

In the past week, influential conservatives, includingRush Limbaugh and Joe Scarborough, have discussed the growing rumblings. According to Mr. LImbaugh, many in the Republican party are welcoming Gingrich’s resurgence, not because they like him as a candidate but because they have misgivings about Romney. …

Republican Majority Leader Dick Armey (R) of Texaspredicted a brokered convention on CNBC Monday night, and Michael Steele, the former national chairman of the Republican party, recently put the chances of a brokered convention at 50-50. “The base wants its chance to have their say,” he told the The Huffington Post. “They aren’t going to want it to end early, before they get their chance, which means that the process could go all the way to Tampa.”

In my column today for The Fiscal Times, I explain why a brokered convention is unlikely — and why it would be a nightmare for the very people who want to see one in order to block Romney as the “establishment” nominee:

It takes a special set of circumstances to get to a brokered convention, and this year’s race isn’t likely to provide them.  To keep one candidate from acquiring a majority of pledged delegates, brokered-convention fans generally need at least three candidates to win significant amounts of delegates.  The 1976 fight was an exception; Gerald Ford lacked a clear majority in a two-man race, but ended up winning on the first ballot anyway when Ronald Reagan made a couple of political missteps.  This race looks like it will become a two-person race, especially when the simultaneous primary dates begin and Mitt Romney’s organizational advantage takes effect.  In April and beyond, all of the primaries and caucuses are winner-take-all, and Romney’s large money advantage over Gingrich, Santorum, and Paul puts him in position to cinch a majority if Gingrich hasn’t precluded the possibility by that time.

But let’s say for the sake of argument that no one candidate has a majority of the delegates, and none manages to wangle a majority on the first ballot at the convention.  How does this benefit conservatives, who have fought the “establishment” that has pushed Romney for the nomination?  The nominating process will then fall into the hands of the Republican National Committee, comprised of state party chairs and other power brokers, where the Tea Party has little or no influence. The fantasy in this case will be that the assembled party bosses and delegates, many of whom are part of state-party establishments, will crown a completely new candidate.

Who would that candidate likely be?  It’s not going to be Sarah Palin or Herman Cain, who are the antithesis of this kind of back room wheeling and dealing and who aren’t necessarily trusted by the people negotiating the question. Assuming that it’s not one of the candidates who couldn’t close the deal in the primaries, it might be Jeb Bush, Mitch Daniels, or another establishment figure that chose not to run and get vetted in the first place.

And what would be the result if this happened?

Some of those choices might appeal to some Republicans, but consider the hole from which this nominee would start. Ten weeks from the election, the party would have a nominee for which no one had cast a ballot in a primary, who has raised no money, who has built no organization, and who has articulated no platform before getting drafted at the convention.  Put that up against the re-election campaign of Barack Obama and his $250-$300 million campaign fund and more from unions and the entertainment industry, and it would be a prescription for political suicide – and not just for the presidency, either.  The disarray would impact House and Senate races all around the country and risk not just the opportunity to take back control of the upper chamber, but also put control of the lower chamber up for grabs.

A late entrant in the race might be another option, but without money and organization, one is very unlikely to get a majority of delegates in the primaries, which leads back to a brokered convention again — and hand-picking a candidate in the proverbial smoke-filled back rooms.  Matt Lewis points out the folly of going with a late entrant now:

But while the current GOP field is weak, the notion that the other candidates commonly bandied about would be superior strikes me as flawed. These bench sitters look good precisely because they didn’t run for president. (Had Rick Perry sat out, there is little doubt his name would be among those mentioned.) Every likely future candidate — just like every current candidate — comes with strengths and weaknesses.

To prove the point, let’s examine a few of the names most frequently mentioned …

Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels is a smart and serious man. But he looks like Vladimir Putin on TV. He has little charisma. (I’ve met him.) What is more, fairly recently, he offended social conservatives by saying we should have a “truce” on social issues — and fiscal conservatives by speaking favorably of a VAT tax. His wife doesn’t want him to run, and if he did run, his marriage would become an issue.

Haley Barbour left the governorship of Mississippi after pardoning 200 prisoners — including murderers and rapists. Fifteen minutes after leaving the job, he was a lobbyist again. And don’t forget that Barbour briefly flirted with running for president, during which time he became embroiled in a race scandal after praising the Citizens Council in Yazoo City, Mississippi.

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal has a terrific resume and a great record. He is obviously intelligent. But remember his widely-panned State of the Union response? Do Republicans want to take a chance he will pull a Perry?

I’ve previously listed the reasons Paul Ryan should take a pass this time around. And Jeb Bush? Yeah, his last name is … Bush.

Look how well some of our can’t-miss candidates performed when they had to go through a vetting process in the debates.  Do we really want to pick someone who just skipped all that and wait for an “oops” or a “you go first” moment  in the ten weeks between the convention and the general election?

We need to focus on the candidates we have at this stage, and sharpen them up for a general-election fight.  Mostly, though, we need to get them to return to speaking about Republican and conservative values, rather than ripping each other with previews of Democratic attacks, and acting like they want to lead this party for the next four years and not the other.  While we’re doing that, we will need to increase our focus on House, Senate, and gubernatorial races so that in the future we have reliable and credible conservative candidates to run for Republican presidential nominations.

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FloatingRock on January 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM

But, but… [NOOZLETTRZ] !!1

Wait for it, it’s coming – trust me.

thirtyandseven on January 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Rumors: Santorum to drop out.

Raquel Pinkbullet on January 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Why not drop out? Santorum is not even part of the conversation any more.

Amjean on January 26, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Tough to back off something like that. Go grab something from the fridge, shake it off, and remember you’re among friends. :)

Good job too. Pulling the bullet back out is a b****.

Speaking of which, fridge run …

Axe on January 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM

+1

thirtyandseven on January 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM

Yep, Ron Paul is the only one that has a relatively clean record. If not for his foreign policy he’d already have the nomination wrapped up.

FloatingRock on January 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM

Ron Paul is a loon. As I said before if he somehow gets the nomination he will lose in a 50 state landslide to Obama. It would be the 1991 LA governor’s race again.

Don’t forget the Newsletters Ron Paul wrote.

Raquel Pinkbullet on January 26, 2012 at 12:33 PM

From Red State:

A prominent friend told me some weeks ago that he noticed an odd thing. In his state, several people who have been successful in getting themselves known as very probably Mitt Romney delegates for the Republican National Convention are also his supporters. And they are not just my friends’ supporters, they are also long time staunch Ron Paul supporters.

Why then would they, long time staunch Ron Paul supporters, align this year with Mitt Romney? He made calls and talked to friends in other states. All of them saw the same thing happening — long time Dr. Paul supporters working to become delegates to the convention pledging to support Mitt Romney and others.

If the field stays fractured at this level, with only a few people, but each getting delegates enough to prevent the front runner from an outright majority, there will be a second vote at the Republican National Convention.

Delegates are only locked in for their candidate during the first vote. After the first vote, they can vote for whoever they want. So if Mitt Romney is unable to clear an outright majority on the first ballot, suddenly he could see some of his delegates turn on him — turn and go back to Ron Paul.

It is an ingenious strategy premised on a convention where no one gets majority support early. It plays well to a primary calendar where the delegates are first awarded proportionally. Paul campaign has been active now for four years trying to take over local parties.

So there is a better explanation of the potential disaster.

Raquel Pinkbullet on January 26, 2012 at 12:28 PM

All this back room dealing and gaming the system sounds like the work of fanatical (and morally suspect) Ron Paul supporters.

I do hope that Paul himself doesn’t have anything to do with this rumored plan. He was just starting to grow on me. (Definitely not my choice for president, but a useful voice for Constitutionality).

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Because all of the candidates suck…

From the lips of God to my ears.

We have a liberal, a liberal, a crazy guy, and fella that lacks the reach to take on Obama’s billion dollar doom fund.

Not confident. This should have been a home run. Way to go party of stupid. You just reelected the worst president since Buchanan.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I still don’t think, Jindal, my beloved governor, is ready to come out of the oven yet. He needs to stretch his federal muscles a bit more. I don’t mean policy, I mean his rap. He’s not comfortable yet, and it shows.

Axe on January 26, 2012 at 12:20 PM

I don’t really have an opinion on Jindal, it’s the fact that “he gave a bad speech once so we better never take a chance on him” attitude. When I was four my little brother set our basement steps on fire and I didn’t tattle on him, so my mother said I was just as guilty as him. Think what that would do to me if I ever tried to run for president in the Republican party?

Night Owl on January 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

I don’t know what I want anymore besides beating Obama.

gophergirl on January 26, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Oh girlfriend. That’s not what you whispered in my ear. You said you would crawl over broken glass … etc etc etc.

platypus on January 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM

Axe on January 26, 2012 at 12:31 PM

i know i am among friends, etc. i just have a hard time with turning the other cheek, etc. i certainly did not want to paint all of you with the ugly thing i said. and i do apologize. maybe a google search of callista will calm me down some. =)

GhoulAid on January 26, 2012 at 12:38 PM

All this back room dealing and gaming the system sounds like the work of fanatical (and morally suspect) Ron Paul supporters.

I do hope that Paul himself doesn’t have anything to do with this rumored plan. He was just starting to grow on me. (Definitely not my choice for president, but a useful voice for Constitutionality).

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Most of Ron Paul’s supporters are fanatical.

Raquel Pinkbullet on January 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

Bottom line on this primary season so far: it looks likely to be a long slog. And no matter what happens, a lot of voters will continue to wish for a brokered convention, because the candidates who will have the votes in their bags heading for the convention are so disappointing.

I wish Perry hadn’t dropped out, myself.

J.E. Dyer on January 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

We want a brokered convention because, as Erick Erickson put it
We’re Fighting Over Two Guys and Neither Side Thinks the Other Can Win

The fight has gotten so bitter and acrimonious with only three states chosen because neither side thinks the other side can win. Gingrich supporters understand that the secularists in the media — not the Democrats, but the media to the extent it can be separated from the Obama Machine — will spend six months creeping out independent suburban voters about Mormons, holy underwear, Kolob, postmortem baptism, and views on black people and then, as the coup de grace, Barack Obama will fire up millions of dollars of ads on Bain Capital raiding pension funds forcing the government to cover the debt so Mitt Romney could make millions whether he won or lost a deal.

Romney supporters understand Newt Gingrich will open his mouth.

Mitt Romney will find it very hard to beat Barack Obama because of what Barack Obama will do to him. Newt Gingrich will find it very hard to beat Barack Obama because of what Newt Gingrich will do to himself. That’s the simple truth. Both men will have amazingly difficult times beating Barack Obama. It is possible, but probability never favors picking off an incumbent just for starters.

About the only real difference between the Gingrich and Romney camps is that the Gingrich camp intuitive understands this and is happy to go down with a fighter. The Romney camp is still deluded into thinking a milquetoast moderate from Massachusetts who can’t win Iowa twice in a primary is somehow electable.

Stayright on January 26, 2012 at 12:08 PM

First of all, Erik is an idiot. Secondly, politics has always been a bloodsport. Squishy wienies need not apply.

What aggravates me is the media who continuously lie along with the voters who will not
lift a finger to do research on any candidate.

Amjean on January 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

it’s the fact that “he gave a bad speech once so we better never take a chance on him” attitude

Night Owl on January 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Agreed.

Axe on January 26, 2012 at 12:41 PM

J.E. Dyer on January 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

But, but… you’re optimistic, right?

Abby Adams on January 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Then, come November, do the intelligent thing and vote for whichever of these four men is running against Obama.

I don’t vote against anybody. That’s liberal crap. If you want unthinking zombies, count me and my family OUT.

If you can’t give me a compelling reason to vote for YOU based on your merits as a conservative, and all you can offer me is that “I am less of a complete a**&^le than the other guy” you can count on me using my vote to punish you.

I have a brain, and I am DONE playing this horses*&^ game of “we Republicans are syphilitic camels in a tent full of AIDS infected lab monkeys.”

Give me a REASON TO VOTE FOR YOU OR GTFO

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

i know i am among friends, etc. i just have a hard time with turning the other cheek, etc. i certainly did not want to paint all of you with the ugly thing i said. and i do apologize. maybe a google search of callista will calm me down some. =)

GhoulAid on January 26, 2012 at 12:38 PM

If it makes you feel any better, I’ll confess that the day they announced that Murtha died, I caught myself humming “Another One Bites the Dust”.

Night Owl on January 26, 2012 at 12:43 PM

you know what you get when babies throw tantrums and elect a “true” conservative to run? You get that inbred moron Sharon Angle. She’s teh new junior senator from Nevada that unseated Harry Reid right? Oh no she wasn’t she got crushed by the zombie but she had “principals” right you dumb bunnies. You could have run Benny Seigle’s rotting corpse in Nevada and beat Reid by 10 points. Unfortunately the “CONservatives”of Nevada decided that “principles” trump taking back the Senate and embarrassing the DEMONcrats and Barry Downgrade by removing the sitting Senate Majority leader.

Seriously you buffoons that support the moribund two party system are retarded

Your Mamma loves me on January 26, 2012 at 12:44 PM

GhoulAid on January 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM

; )

Bmore on January 26, 2012 at 12:45 PM

ou know what you get when babies throw tantrums and elect a “true” conservative to run? You get that inbred moron Sharon Angle. She’s teh new junior senator from Nevada that unseated Harry Reid right? Oh no she wasn’t she got crushed by the zombie but she had “principals” right you dumb bunnies. You could have run Benny Seigle’s rotting corpse in Nevada and beat Reid by 10 points. Unfortunately the “CONservatives”of Nevada decided that “principles” trump taking back the Senate and embarrassing the DEMONcrats and Barry Downgrade by removing the sitting Senate Majority leader.

The flawed foundation that your argument is built on is that useless RINOS are in some way significantly better than the commies across the isle. When I look at the votes and records of people like Ken-Doll, or Collins, or any of the other coast-dwelling statist RINO dirtbags, to be honest, I don’t see any material improvement.

Democrats in Montana are more freedom loving and pro-constitution that the idiots in Mass or Main or California that call themselves “Republicans.”

If we in the heartland and northwest have moved so far away from the coasts of this country in ideals and beliefs that they can no longer tolerate our choices and opinions, then perhaps it’s time for this country to break up along these ideological fault lines, so that we can govern ourselves in a manner in which is not revolting to us.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:56 PM

“America is at that awkward stage. It’s too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards.”—Claire Wolfe, 101 Things to Do ‘Til the Revolution

This primary is evidence of this fact.

Speakeasy on January 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM

Not confident. This should have been a home run. Way to go party of stupid. You just reelected the worst president since Buchanan.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:34 PM

Was there ever any doubt?

When the best you can do are candidates from Massachusetts (think Dukakis and Kerry) or Georgia (think Carter) you are hosed from Day 1.

BTW, are you any relation to Jack Deth?

Bruno Strozek on January 26, 2012 at 12:59 PM

I don’t vote against anybody. That’s liberal crap. If you want unthinking zombies, count me and my family OUT.

If you can’t give me a compelling reason to vote for YOU based on your merits as a conservative, and all you can offer me is that “I am less of a complete a**&^le than the other guy” you can count on me using my vote to punish you.

I have a brain, and I am DONE playing this horses*&^ game of “we Republicans are syphilitic camels in a tent full of AIDS infected lab monkeys.”

Give me a REASON TO VOTE FOR YOU OR GTFO

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

..your your passion is strong and your images are vivid as is your language. May I humbly suggest that you fire up your media player and open up The Pantload’s last SOTU and watch it about ten or fifteen times? Also, roll back through the pages of this boob’s past three-plus years and Hoover up all of those wonderful memories. Finally, consider the prospect of ALL ObamaCare repeal measures by our supposedly upcoming Republican-controlled congress being vetoed by this egotistical jerk so as to cement his place in the pantheon of our hallowed leaders. Add in a couple of pinches of ultra-lib SCOTUS justices and stir it around for a while.

So, you still convinced about the rectitude of your “I don’t vote against anybody” meme? If so, where does Obama send the thank you card for allowing him to screw up this nation not only for the next four years but throughout the lives of [y]our children and grandchildren.

The War Planner on January 26, 2012 at 1:01 PM

If the delegate count is close enough then it will be a ‘brokered’ convention, just not openly: the superdelegates will shift to who they want. These are the elected office holders in the House and Senate plus a few assorted others in the RNC structure, and they are not committed by primaries. That is what happened in ’08 with the Democrats – Hillary was actually AHEAD on delegate count but the superdelegates went with Obama. Still that might fail given the nature of Republican political infighting.

Why either party gives such authoritarian structure to their nominating process where incumbants get to help those they politically favor in the nominating process is beyond me. The State delegations and rules groups should be banding together to change the rules so that any ‘brokering’ is done by the head of each delegation, not by the RNC and that superdelegates are not needed in a system where those chosen are to represent the people of the party, not just the party apparatchiks. As it is office holders and those in the RNC structure get multiple hits on the process, not just on funding but in voting in their districts, the State level, the RNC level and at the convention. How many votes do those who run the party need, anyways? Shouldn’t ONE be enough just like the rank and file members?

At this point a brokered convention would become a broken convention as those mentioned have made it clear they have no wish to run this cycle and a few of them have burnt a few bridges after their announcements. Let the delegates battle it out without the ‘superdelegates’ to help… and if the convention is to be brokered then let the State delegation leaders (not party leaders, but the lead of the delegates) do that as they know the rest of their contingent better than the party leaders do. That might get a result where none are satisfied, no one is disgruntled enough to bolt the convention, and then let the chosen individual know that they WILL run on the party platform.

That would be sane and understandable and uphold the principles of representative democracy to run an organization.

The Republican party is no longer sane.

ajacksonian on January 26, 2012 at 1:02 PM

In the past week, influential conservatives, includingRush Limbaugh and Joe Scarborough,

Joe? Joe? Conservative? I don’t think so.

TerryW on January 26, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Oh, I forgot Minny, which gave us two pairs of Minnesota Twins:
Humphrey and Mondale, and Bachmann and Pawlenty.

Good grief.

Bruno Strozek on January 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

“Chris Christie. Jeb Bush. Mitch Daniels. Paul Ryan.”

Then why didn’t any of them decide to run?

Zaggs on January 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Help us, Obi-Wan Establishment, you’re our only hope.

Nicely played, Ed.

kunegetikos on January 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM

I don’t vote against anybody. That’s liberal crap…

If you can’t give me a compelling reason to vote for YOU…you can count on me using my vote to punish you.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Anyone else confused by the logic here?

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 1:05 PM

The flawed foundation that your argument is built on is that useless RINOS are in some way significantly better than the commies across the isle.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:56 PM

I actually agree with you, generally.

But in this particular instance, I think you might be wrong in believing there is no substantive difference. This particular president is not just more of the same; he’s a revolutionary. The available candidates might not be very far from the center, but this president is so far left he’s off the table and hanging by his fingertips. He’s creating the distance.

Axe on January 26, 2012 at 1:09 PM

I’m beginning to wonder what difference any of this makes.

We’ve got the leftist mediot scumbags, digging up dirt, dirt and more dirt on our candidates, either trying to choose the candidate for us or trying to drive us nuts guessing which candidate they’d prefer.

We’ve got both sides of the media, based on unstable and ever-changing polls, constantly telling us it’s over or could be over this week, when voters in 47 states still haven’t cast a ballot.

Dims everywhere are running OpChaos and planning crossover votes in the states where they can, so we’ve got that leftist input.

And then there’s my repulsively corrupt in-the-gutter state of IL where the primary is a beauty contest. The vote for the candidate is merely preferential and advisory. It’s our vote for delegates that means something, but not all delegate candidates need to list a presidential candidate preference on the ballot and I’d wager that the majority of IL voters, even the crossovers, have no clue how the primary here works. So there’s another crapshoot for ya’.

Are you asking me to simply throw in the towel and surrender my vote because of what the media or the pundits say? (And the pundits on the right are making me as crazy as the jerks on the left.) So that’s different how from what could happen at a brokered convention?

Rush just made a good point that the longer our candidate remains a mystery, the less time Ophony has to target a specific candidate with his billion$$ campaign. If we can keep the crosshairs of the uncivil messiah blowing in the wind for the next 5-7 months, let’s do it. Or maybe we should just be like the stupid brainless Dims and fall totally, blindly and fawningly in love with a single candidate so we can foist him upon the American people.

So maybe a brokered convention would still produce either a Romney or a Gingrich candidacy and might be chosen by the brokered establishment. For me it comes down to whether their scumbags select our candidate or our scumbags select our candidate. So sue me for preferring our scumbags over theirs.

stukinIL4now on January 26, 2012 at 1:12 PM

I am quivering with excitement for Mitch after his GOP SOTU speech response.

galtani on January 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM

I am a little tired of the crybabies whose preferred candidate either didn’t enter the race, has no chance to win the nomination or dropped out.

Two thoughts; This ain’t checkers and you have to be in it to win it.

The rules and path to victory are not that hard to figure out. Pick the best candidate and move-on. If you don’t believe we can beat arguably the worst President in history with either Gingrich or Romney, you need to put down the crack pipe and stop acting like a bunch of sheep.

I am sick of the fratricide as the spawn of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn and Saul Alinsky watches us rip each other apart and destroys our country.

Friggin bunch of short-sighted crybabies.

Marcus Traianus on January 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM

So loser, Bob Dole, is now blaming his loss on Newt.

stenwin77 on January 26, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Why? Because I’m not voting for a statist. Romney v. Obama is statist v. statist and I’m not voting for either one. A brokered convention gives an additional chance that there will be at least one candidate from one of the major parties that is not totally unacceptable from a policy perspective.

besser tot als rot on January 26, 2012 at 1:24 PM

If some Republican were smart he would have changed his name to Someone Else, and won the primaries by a landslide.

Archivarix on January 26, 2012 at 1:27 PM

I am sick of the fratricide as the spawn of Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn and Saul Alinsky watches us rip each other apart and destroys our country.
Friggin bunch of short-sighted crybabies.

Marcus Traianus on January 26, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Why do I have to support Romney? Looking at his record of governance, I can only conclude that we agree on practically nothing. The only thing that we have in common is a lot of kids – and I have more.

besser tot als rot on January 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM

I heard Ed talk about this on his radio show yesterday. He made an excellent point, no way is a brokered convention going to produce a Palin as nominee. This would be the ultimate establishment pick and about as far from grassroots as it gets.

msmveritas on January 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Not a brokered convention… a break away grassroots convention. Oh dear, did I type that out loud? :)

Fallon on January 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

You know when Bob Dole is blaming Gingrich for his loss, the mask is off. The establishment doesn’t like Gingrich because he is a fighter who doesn’t let the establishment control his every move, like the squishes supporting Oromney.

they lie on January 26, 2012 at 1:29 PM

I heard Ed talk about this on his radio show yesterday. He made an excellent point, no way is a brokered convention going to produce a Palin as nominee. This would be the ultimate establishment pick and about as far from grassroots as it gets.

msmveritas on January 26, 2012 at 11:59 AM

That’s all well and good, but I’m not looking for ideal here. I’m just looking for not totally unacceptable (i.e. Romney).

besser tot als rot on January 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM

So, you still convinced about the rectitude of your “I don’t vote against anybody” meme? If so, where does Obama send the thank you card for allowing him to screw up this nation not only for the next four years but throughout the lives of [y]our children and grandchildren

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There you go, pulling the same s*&^ I was railing about. No. I DO NOT VOTE AGAINST LOOSERS BY CHOOSING THE LESSER LOOSER, I WILL DIE FIRST. PERIOD.

END OF DISCUSSION.

If the nation has to fall because of my refusal to prostitue myself out for the rePubic establishment’s pleasure, by God so be it. My family will stay off the grid as long as we can, and weigh our options when that’s no longer possible. All of them.

What choices have I been given?

Newt? Mr. I love FDR and Wodrow WILSON!!!! Mr. single payer system? Mr. Flip-flopper and Mr. political expediency adopting the language of the leftist class warriors????

Kendoll? Gun grabbing, leftist judge appointing, commie-health care loving, big spending global warming scam artist, and employer of hatchet-men that would scare Emanuel.

Rue Paul? Bats*&^ out of his mind McGovern retread??!?!?!?!

Poor Rick Santorum with no money and no organization? – Full disclosure – I spoke for him, and donated all we could afford o his campaign, even though it will cost us our family vacation this summer, but we ain’t STUPID, and know damn well we are supporting a lost cause.

But that’s how we operate. We vote our principles, and we stand up for them, even when we know DAMN well we are gonna loose.

Standing for your beliefs, or even DYING for your beliefs are vastly more important than winning or even LIVING.

You can put a bullet in my head, but you will never make me surrender my beliefs.

End of discussion.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

It can all be summed up like this, The Republican Party Establishment is trying to elect a candidate for President but they somehow could only come up with a group of potentials which represent the saddest group ever. In order to continue they are pulling for Romney to win the primaries, the only problem is Conservatives are tired of being taken for granted and are in active revolt against the Republican Party. The establishment says get in line or you will be at fault for Obama’s reelection, I say give me a candidate I can get on board with or I will burn the party down. Very simple we need a Party who will represent our beliefs which is a smaller Gov’t acting within the terms of the Constitution as written

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

To be honest, I’d take a brokered convention over Gingrich, but thats about it. The late start and lack of an organization during the final stretch of the campaign is likely just too big a handicap to overcome. Certainly it’s possible to overcome these hurdles, but its unlikely. The candidate would have to be so good that he or she could carry their campaign nationally by the sheer power of their personality, at least for a few weeks. Theoretically you COULD maybe get a national organization in place in about a month, but you would have to be an amazingly effective individual to do so.

So, if we have somebody who is so effective, and has such a powerful personality, why didn’t they run in the first place? The reality is no such candidate exists, in fact this crop of candidates may not even be all that much different from our normal batch.

We don’t usually have so many debates, nor does the media typically start paying attention as early or as closely as they have during this primary. Under this level of scrutiny, I think most candidates are going to look a bit worse than normal. By the time we usually start paying attention, they’ve had months to refine their messages, slogans, debate performances, etc etc and so on and so forth.

That is not to say that this is an amazing crop either. We had a couple more clowns and showmen in the lineup than usually, and we could have used at least one additional conservative candidate.

Still, I suspect many people are holding out for the conservative Obama, or a second Reagan. Since we’ve built both figures up in our minds to at least a certain degree, that’s a tall order to fill.

WolvenOne on January 26, 2012 at 1:39 PM

If it came to a brokered convention 0bama would almost be assured of another term (Scary) The candidates would be so bloodied and bruised by then that they would be ineffective. Any new person that could somehow get the nod would be so far behind the eight ball with recognition, funding etc that I think if it were brokered it would almost guarantee Obama 2.0

Minnfidel on January 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM

You can put a bullet in my head, but you will never make me surrender my beliefs.

End of discussion.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I am with you man give me Liberty or Give me Death

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I’d like Mark Sanford, but Social Cons would go nuts.

But then again on 2nd thought, after South Carolina, maybe he’ll get more brownie points from evangelicals.

Notorious GOP on January 26, 2012 at 1:44 PM

To summarize – I don’t demand absolute perfection – but I do demand that my candidate not be a serial adulterer, not be a supporter of global warming, not be a gun grabber, not installing liberal judges left and right, not supporting government intrusion into health care, and at least attempts to not act like a damned spend-thrift.

If you can’t even manage that… pfffft.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

But remember his widely-panned State of the Union response?

No, and no one else does either.

Well, that’s not true – I do remember it, but that’s because I’m a politics junkie. The VAST majority of the country isn’t. They’re not going to immediately disqualify Jindal just because he gave a boring SOTU rebuttal years ago.

I’m sorry, but that always just irks me, whenever Jindal’s name pops up as a potential future GOP candidate for POTUS. “Well, he gave a bad SOTU rebuttal once upon a time.” Big f***ing deal. Do you honestly think anyone will remember that, or care if they do? People are throwing their support now either behind Newt Gingrich or Mitt Romney, two men with an infinitely greater number of “sins” on their record, and you’re going to tell me with a straight face that Jindal would be disqualified because of one bad speech? Please.

Vyce on January 26, 2012 at 1:47 PM

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

You are not alone my friend. I feel the same way.

Stayright on January 26, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Standing for your beliefs, or even DYING for your beliefs are vastly more important than winning or even LIVING.

You can put a bullet in my head, but you will never make me surrender my beliefs.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 1:37 PM

Holy Cow, dude.

Throwing your support behind the eventual Republican nominee is not “surrendering your beliefs”.

Voting for Romney, Gingrich, Paul or Santorum over Obama is, in fact, standing up for your beliefs… and the collective majority beliefs of this Center-Right nation.

It’s not simply that the 4 remaining hopefuls are good only by comparison to Obama. They are each good on their own, in their own ways, and each is worth voting for.

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 1:50 PM

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. – Samuel Adams

This seems about right in response to Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge and the other so called conservative pundits that will stop at nothing to foist Romney upon us

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

The circus continues.

Good Lt on January 26, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Standing for your beliefs, or even DYING for your beliefs are vastly more important than winning or even LIVING.

Yeah, who needs to live?

Good Lt on January 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM

If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. – Samuel Adams

This seems about right in response to Ann Coulter, Matt Drudge and the other so called conservative pundits that will stop at nothing to foist Romney upon us

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Sooo… being anti-Romney now means you can compare yourself to our Founding Fathers?

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Sooo… being anti-Romney now means you can compare yourself to our Founding Fathers?

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 1:54 PM

I don’t believe I compared myself to anyone

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 2:01 PM

Why does HA keep wasting time and space on this topic?

MassVictim on January 26, 2012 at 11:40 AM

Feel free to blame me, I asked him.

ProudPalinFan on January 26, 2012 at 2:01 PM

I don’t believe I compared myself to anyone

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 2:01 PM

The quote sets up an “us vs them” analogy.

Us = Founding Fathers
Them = Loyalists or those unwilling to fight the British for independence.

The takeaway from using the quote in present context would be:

Us = people against Romney
Them = people for Romney

Us = Founding Fathers = people against Romney

If that’s not how it was meant, I apologize.
But that seems to me to be the logical interpretation.

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 2:07 PM

The establishment says get in line or you will be at fault for Obama’s reelection, I say give me a candidate I can get on board with or I will burn the party down.

Pretty much where my friends and family are at this point.

Throwing your support behind the eventual Republican nominee is not “surrendering your beliefs”.

When 3 of them are diametrically opposed to our beliefs, and the remaining one of them probably can’t beat jugg-ears, (even though me and mine’d destroy ourselves financially and physically trying to drag him over the finish-line), you sure as hell better believe it would be “surrendering our beliefs” to choke down a Paul, a Newt, or a Romney.

In fact, in Mitt’s case, every single thing important to me he’s signed legislation to curtail. Gun control? Check. Liberal Judges? Check. Spendthrift? Check. Government run healthcare? Check. Global warming charlatan? Check.

Voting for that pig would be surrendering our values.

Newt is close at his heels. At least role-played a conservative back in the 1990′s. But he destroyed all that with his couch-time with queen Nancy, and support of AGW and socialized health care.

Voting for him would be surrendering our values.

I can agree with Rue-Paul on money issues, and on the state with which government has soiled our personal lives. But he brings with him a fringe group of anti-Semites, truthers, and his ideal foreign policy makes King Barry look like god-d*(&^ned Eisenhower.

Voting for him would be surrendering our values.

As for Santorum, he also has some questionable votes, and we confronted him directly with them during the straw polls while he was taking questions in the WHO Radio tent. He was honest, and said there were some things he regretted doing, and he owned up to his attempt to get into the lobbying of K-street, which impressed us. But having been involved in his operation, we are terrified that he does not have the scope or money to actually beat Levithan.

Voting for him would not be a wholesale surrender of our values, but I don’t believe he will make it that far.

I don’t demand absolute perfection, but when you LIE TO ME and tell me you are a conservative, I want you to at least do it with a STRAIT FACE.

Most of these clowns can’t.

So yeah, my friends, my family, and myself are all pretty damn pessimistic right now.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Yeah, who needs to live?

What value is there in life lacking one’s convictions and honor?

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Obama Ignores Judge’s Order, Skips Court Date in Case Challenging His Qualifications…

The hearing just ended. Obama’s attorneys did not appear.

Stayright on January 26, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Obama will be off the Georgia ballot. See this link.

Mirimichi on January 26, 2012 at 2:18 PM

Ok, I get it now, I was thinking you meant I compared myself to him in the sense of like, “Samuel Adams was much smarter than me, much taller than me, and could ride a horse so much better than me” Where really what I meant was I am tired of the Republican establishment and pundits like Ann Coulter trying to tell me if I don’t vote for their candidate than my family will suffer the consequences. So I apologize to you for offending you by actually posting a quote from a Founding Father of this country, certainly didn’t mean to imply my simple existence in this world was any comparison to such a great man.

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 2:21 PM

Thank you for writing what we’ve probably all been thinking, Ed. The reason these others sound so attractive is because they have not exposed themselves to the rigors of the campaign with all the scrutiny that brings.

I would just mention one other factor not mentioned above. It is widely thought that one of Rick Perry’s problems was that he was the front runner from day one, that he didn’t have time to hone his message in obscurity before going national. The same would be true for any candidate other than the current slate.

I want the next president to want to be president. The challenges we face are enormous and if you don’t have the cajones to put your name out there for consideration, you probably don’t belong in the Oval Office.

rogaineguy on January 26, 2012 at 2:22 PM

So yeah, my friends, my family, and myself are all pretty damn pessimistic right now.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 2:11 PM

Thanks for your honest and thoughtful answer.

Personally, I just don’t understand and cannot empathize with the “sky is falling” mentality regarding the 2012 election.

I think it takes a tremendous amount of moral equivocation to not see how much better off we would be with any of these 4 men.

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 2:23 PM

The Torchlight Parade of the Paultards past Ron’s balcony as the Tampa Convention descends into chaos will be a thing to behold.

Oh, wait! They’re all anarcho-syndicalists and White Supremacy refugees from the 1990′s Militia Movement.

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

The GOP that chased Sarah Palin out deserves this. It really does.

victor82 on January 26, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Bring it.

A brokered convention that nominates any other than a fire-breathing, liberal-eating Conservative will be the death-rattle of the Republican Party. And rightfully so.

Bring it.

moochy on January 26, 2012 at 2:30 PM

A brokered convention that nominates any other than a fire-breathing, liberal-eating Conservative will be the death-rattle of the Republican Party. And rightfully so.

Bring it.

moochy on January 26, 2012 at 2:30 PM

Wasn’t the triumph of Style over Substance what brought Obama to power?

Why would we wnat the same thing?

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Why would we wnat the same thing?

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Whats a wnat

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 2:40 PM

“Chris Christie. Jeb Bush. Mitch Daniels. Paul Ryan.”

Then why didn’t any of them decide to run?

Zaggs on January 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Because unlike 3 of the 4 people running, they have jobs.

cpaulus on January 26, 2012 at 2:48 PM

Why would we wnat the same thing?

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 2:34 PM

Whats a wnat

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Excellent question.

I’d blame it on dyslexia, but that would be incorrectly sterotypical (and especially so, since I don’t have it).

So, I will instead blame it on the need to type quickly and then give the keyboard the old “alt-tab” since I am at work. (Shhhhhh!!!)

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Well I don’t know if a brokered convention sounds all that democratic to me but…it would take team Socialism and the MSM by surprise. They think they will be facing Romney or Gingrich. If someone comes in from nowhere how do they prepare? And then there’s all that money they waisted.*grins* And how will the MSM destroy the brokered nominee before November 2012?

By the way I clicked the link above and Matt Lewis’ argument against Paul Ryan running is pathetic. Only the voting record being moderate and executive experience is legit. And how is Ryan’s record any worse than Romney’s record of healthcare legislation or Gingrich on the global warming couch with Pelosi? Of the choices so far only Romney has executive experience and what did he do with it? He signed Romneycare. The problem is not that we can’t find the perfect candidate,because as it has been said, he doesn’t exist. The problem is that the ones we have before us to chose from are terrible. Below avg. This is not the best the GOP could have done. I understand any of them could pull a Perry but it isn’t exactly news that the tea party was born becuase of Obamacare and Romneycare was the blueprint. I think the “establishment” should have been telling Romney to sit this one out and encouraging others to get out there and run. Do it for their country.

But I am voting Republican in 2012 no matter what happens. Obama can’t win this time. He’s going down and I’m helping deliver the blow come hell or high water.

magicbeans on January 26, 2012 at 2:50 PM

Excellent question.

I’d blame it on dyslexia, but that would be incorrectly sterotypical (and especially so, since I don’t have it).

So, I will instead blame it on the need to type quickly and then give the keyboard the old “alt-tab” since I am at work. (Shhhhhh!!!)

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 2:49 PM

Sorry just messing with you, followed your handle to your blog you seem like a smart guy.

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 2:54 PM

Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal has a terrific resume and a great record. He is obviously intelligent. But remember his widely-panned State of the Union response? Do Republicans want to take a chance he will pull a Perry?

This kind of thinking drives me crazy. “Pull a Perry” apparently means forgetting a word…so instead, we must accept someone who will flat-out lie to us – someone who is either arguably liberal, or someone whose character screams DIRTBAG.

Great job, GOP.

capitalist piglet on January 26, 2012 at 2:57 PM

A brokered convention is a fool’s errand both for the party and the sacrificial lamb who would kill off any possible political future. The main problem is that the political parties no longer really control the finances. The real money is which the candidates and their associated pacs. The money associated with the current candidates would simply disappear, and not redirected to the the new boy/girl in town leaving less than a month to raise a war chest capable of confronting the billion dollar kid.

If Willard is to be the nominee, as seems likely, time is better spent watching the Supreme Court for a favourable Obamacare decision and focusing on Senate and House races since the Massachussets wunderkind will go down to Hussein by 10 points or more.

Annar on January 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM

then perhaps it’s time for this country to break up along these ideological fault lines, so that we can govern ourselves in a manner in which is not revolting to us.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 12:56 PM

If 0bama is re-elected, maybe this will have to happen if you don’t want to live under socialism/communism.

Mirimichi on January 26, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Sorry just messing with you, followed your handle to your blog you seem like a smart guy.

jmw on January 26, 2012 at 2:54 PM

I truly appreciate you visiting my blog.
That makes you the second person in history. You and my mother now have something in common. :-)

But seriously, this is the kind of discussion I have always enjoyed (but have very rarely found, whether it was on BBS posting boards back in the day, or in internet forums).

You and I may not currently agree on the merits (or lack thereof) of each of the current crop of GOP hopefuls. BUT… it’s still possible for us to discuss things rationally (AND have a little bit of good-natured fun as well).

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM

since the Massachussets wunderkind will go down to Hussein by 10 points or more.

Annar on January 26, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Then why not pull a brokered convention and at least nominate someone more conservative?

If we’re going to lose anyway…

Abby Adams on January 26, 2012 at 3:18 PM

A brokered convention would be an improvement over the work of democrats voting in open GOP primaries and influencing the vote.

In reality, the only that will be brokered will be the running mate of Romney. Gingrich’s negatives are way too high and once the big primary dates happen he won’t be able to turn a quick phrase in every state. We will be stuck with Romney.

What we want to happen is to have the first vote fail to nominate – then the wheeling and dealing begins with the VP candidates. That’s where we could land a Rubio or a Jindal or a Daniels. Someone viewed as being a stronger conservative with a record of getting things done conservatively, or one that works to draw in the hispanic vote.

Then we just need to elect a conservative Senate.

For Ron Paul – I would make him Secretary of the Interior and start selling the federal govt’s assets like crazy as well as approving every drilling & pipeline project going. Shrink the office to the point whne he left the agency we could just lock it up.

Zomcon JEM on January 26, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Oh, how amazing it would be if we got a this “real, fire-breathing” conservative.

Not coming from the convention. The only way we’ll get a conservative option now is a 3rd party. The Republicans have essentially declared war on the base. “Reject our preferred nominee if you dare…here are your options.”

I don’t think a 3rd Party candidate could win (too many lemmings), but if it is ever to be possible, I cannot think of a year that would be more favorable for one than this. The candidate would have to out-Republican the Republican nominee. They would also need a major ad campaign to get lazy voters to check their name instead of the party box.

It would be nice to see Walker or Palin.

Pattosensei on January 26, 2012 at 3:20 PM

a way to clear the decks and find a true grassroots-style conservative rather than an establishment candidate to top the ticket in November.

Youre missing the point of wanting a brokered convention. Its not that you get a fire breathing grass roots champion, but rather an establishment candidate that seems more electable. That’s Romneys real weakness, no one really thinks he can win against O

snoopicus on January 26, 2012 at 3:21 PM

The GOP can go the way of the damn Whigs if they don’t win this fall.

My Gawd, they could run the table.

But they won’t.

Pathetic.

Bruno Strozek on January 26, 2012 at 3:26 PM

Let’s all hit our knees and pray that the rumors of $5 a gallon gas this summer is true.

Cindy Munford on January 26, 2012 at 12:01 PM

Yet somehow, our GOP candidate will get the blame.

BacaDog on January 26, 2012 at 3:27 PM

Raquel Pinkbullet on January 26, 2012 at 12:40 PM

If we want to play the generalization game…

Most commenters on hotair are racist.

gyrmnix on January 26, 2012 at 3:31 PM

ajacsonian was what I brought up to Ed yesterday. I am in the middle of a computer surgery (wish me luck!) so I am on the tablet reading. I don’t wish on a brokered convention just so Palin can get in, but I thought of taking away the power grab from the GOP Establishment and give it to the delegates with proper representation.

ProudPalinFan on January 26, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Jindal pull a Perry, Ed? First, his SOTU rebuttal was not a debate fail. Second, he blows doors in debates and public speaking, and you know it.

Weak sauce, man. But, hey, go with the 30 Rock Kenneth The Page angle…it’s lazy and silly.

Christien on January 26, 2012 at 3:34 PM

You and my mother now have something in common. :-)

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Heh.

Abby Adams on January 26, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Translation: Jindal looked stupid for speaking slowly so I could understand and not feel stupid, like I do when he speaks at his normal speed.

Durr durrrrrrrr!

Christien on January 26, 2012 at 3:41 PM

Is the picture accompanying this article a shot from Newt’s moon colony?

captn2fat on January 26, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I would welcome a brokered convention for one reason only. That is if Sarah Palin would be the nominee coming out of it. According to your piece, that is not likely at all. However, no one else can energize the base and subsequent down ballot candidates like her. Yes she has high negatives. However, if she is given the chance, she espouses independent conservative principles. She is the only one to have consistently taken on Obama, and I think she lives rent free in his head.

I am sure I will be the object of derision and scorn by some, but no other candidates truly inspire me out of the present slate of candidates that are left.

I am truly in a quandry as to who to support.

MJScanlonOH on January 26, 2012 at 3:57 PM

Why a brokered convention? Because not only do I fear that none of the guys running can beat Obama, I also fear what would happen if one of them did beat Obama. (And…why I’m not against a brokered convention: It’s at least as fair and reasonable as letting Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina choose the candidates the rest of us are stuck with.)

Regarding the first point–about not being able to beat Obama, I have diehard conservative family members talking about sitting out the election. I doubt they follow through on that, but they definitely won’t be doing anything to support the campaign of whichever candidate gets the nomination. I doubt they are the only ones who feel this way. And I don’t blame them.

The choices we have are not just bad–they are atrocious. This fight is getting so ugly because the criticisms of each candidate are largely true–and will be true in the general. There can be no dispelling of myths through this primary or of sharpening the candidates for a fight in the general–because the only defenses Romney and Gingrich can offer for their well-documented flaws fall into categories of “That was a long time ago” or “I promise to do better.” Those defenses might suffice if the flaws didn’t revolve around basic conservative principles. But increasingly from those unconcerned with offering such diplomatic answers, the defense is “Yeah? So what. Deal with it. You’re stuck with them.” And that hardly inspires confidence, either.

I’ve said it elsewhere, but I can’t help but repeat myself: I had a disturbing revelation a few days ago that I would rather vote for McCain than for Romney or Gingrich. McCain!!! So the risk involved in a brokered convention does not give me any pause.

Regarding the second point–about fearing a Romney or Gingrich presidency, I wonder if people have really considered what Romney or Gingrich might do to the GOP. Imagine with me a Romney who has fooled us all with his weasel words and empty promises. What if he becomes president and doesn’t follow through on getting rid of Obamacare? (And seriously, a person has to wonder if he will, given his love of Romneycare and his hope to hold on to some parts of Obamacare. Go look up the second SC debate on Youtube if you don’t know what I’m talking about.) What if he decides he’d like to win a second term by ditching conservatives and appealing to moderate Dems? What if he decides the political divide in America is enough to justify the kind of compromises he made in Massachusetts? His record is so sketchy, no one can say with any certainty what he will do in office. And he’s had the last few years–knowing he would be running for president–to champion conservative ideals. But time and time again he’s chosen to test the political winds and only then express an opinion.

Now imagine with me a Gingrich who can sell himself as a conservative today but who, upon winning office, starts espousing the same opinions he has in recent years (and, in some cases, recent months) about global warming and an individual mandate (which he was for in MAY of 2011!!). There is no limit on the out-there ideas he might be willing to latch on to. And are we really convinced the censure of his fellow Republicans would be enough to restrain him while he wielded the power of the office–and the title of “Leader of the Free World”? Really? What if he decided he knew better than we did what we needed? Or what if he “loved his country too much” again?

In either case, a failed president would cause major, major damage to the GOP (not to mention the country), and the blame passed on to that guy would make the blame passed on to Bush seem like nothing. Sure, we might–might –get a decent Supreme Court pick or two. But if we lose the presidency for the following eight years, that small gain can be easily lost.

I don’t say these things with any fondness for Obama. I desperately do not want another four years of him running/ruining the country. I say these things because I have a scary feeling we are headed for a total train wreck with either Romney or Gingrich. (And I think Paul would be infinitely worse, and I have no confidence Santorum can beat Obama, given his lack of executive experience or anything else that sets him above Obama in the minds of non-conservative voters.)

So, yes, I say bring on the brokered convention. When you’re on that last bit of track headed for a colossal collision, by all means try the emergency brake. If it catches, great. If it doesn’t, at least you tried.

(And–P.S. If the brokered convention produces a viable candidate, the money and support will flow in. People want to get behind the Republican nominee. The country is crying out for leadership and an alternative to Obama.)

butterflies and puppies on January 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM

besser tot als rot on January 26, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Then vote for Obama. There’s your choice.

Marcus Traianus on January 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM

For now, we’re stuck with one of these 4 guys. But as soon as we get one of them elected we need to start pushing for a better candidate in 2016.

In fact, I’d love it if one of the candidates currently running even came out and said they were willing to sacrifice any thought of a second term in exchange for getting some serious entitlement reform passed. But none of them are talking about important stuff like this. They’re too busy trading barbs over self-deportation.

hawksruleva on January 26, 2012 at 4:28 PM

One other thing to remember. No matter who gets elected, he’ll have to work with Republicans, including Tea Party republicans, in Congress. So there’s a chance that they’ll do some good things, especially if we support the most conservative options in every race.

hawksruleva on January 26, 2012 at 4:30 PM

butterflies and puppies on January 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Well said. *applause*

Pattosensei on January 26, 2012 at 4:34 PM

butterflies and puppies on January 26, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Well reasoned and thought out.

(I disagree with your thoughts, but I appreciate your contributions to this discussion.)

I think my main problem with your conclusions is that they are based on quite a few big “What ifs”.

Some of the concerns are plausible, but not many are probable (in my opinion).

The nightmare scenarios you effectively spelled out all have a myriad of other likely occurrences.

What if:

Romney is elected and, by working to find consensus, is able to edge the Center more rightward? (This resulting in a fundamental, long-term shift back towards a reasaonable, responsibile federal Government).

What if:

Gingrich is elected and becomes a polarizing, yet strong communicator of Conservative ideals – fighting the hard battles and winning in the short term.

What if, what if, what if…

And those two scenarios have their own set of disparate cousins with such a dizzying array of possible outcomes that predicting exactly what will happen if any of these four are elected becomes an impossibility.

That being the case, wouldn’t it be best to simplify and get right down to the basic question:

Would any of these four be an improvement over Obama (especially with a Republican sweep of Congress happeneing concurrently)?

If you search your heart and really listen to that gut instinct, you will find that your intution actually matches with your rational common sense in this case.

You will be forced tp answer that simple question with a dignified: Hell Yes!

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM

You will be forced tp answer that simple question with a dignified: Hell Yes!

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM

tp obviously means to.

Lesson 1 in RightWay Speak:
Typos are in no way an indication of stupidity (instead, they indicate fat fingers and should be expected considering RightWay’s tendency towards “clunkers” while “playing” the piano.

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 4:52 PM

I think my main problem with your conclusions is that they are based on quite a few big “What ifs”.

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 4:45 PM

No more what if than the people saying “What if Romney actually governs as a conservative.” He’s never done so before. I’m not convinced that he’s better than Obama based on any objective data. I just can’t imagine someone being worse.

Pattosensei on January 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM

Q: Why would conservatives wish for a brokered convention?
A: So we could have the opportunity to select David Petraeus.

Duh.

davisbr on January 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM

No more what if than the people saying “What if Romney actually governs as a conservative.” He’s never done so before. I’m not convinced that he’s better than Obama based on any objective data. I just can’t imagine someone being worse.

Pattosensei on January 26, 2012 at 4:58 PM

If you haven’t already, I suggest you read Romney’s “Believe in America” plan. It’s about as Conservative a set of proposals that this nation has seen in quite a while.

It’s not full of platitudes or symbolic gestures like Obama’s “campaign promises”.

Instead it details a specific 59-point economic plan.

My point is, it’s not something he could just “walk away from” if he were elected. Yes, past governance and previously held positions can be an indicator of future performance. That being said, Mitt has some stains on his record, no doubt.

But, people can (and should) change their beliefs over time. Sometimes drastically, sometimes just tweaking. Sometimes gradually, sometimes overnight.

Romney has become more Conservative over his life…and especially since his time as Governor.

The objective evidence of this (for me) lies in his proposals. He is not a firebrand or populist manipulator. He’s not a Great Communicator of Conservative ideals. Rather, he is a fixer and manager who has evolved over time into someone that this ultra-Conservative can personally support.

RightWay79 on January 26, 2012 at 5:12 PM

You look at what Mitt says he’s gonna do – I for one, look at his actions.

- Gun control.
- Appointing Liberal Judges.
- Government Run Healthcare.
- Massive Spending.
- Support of Global Warming.

Frankly, to even see that man’s names on a republican ballot is farcical.

People lie to get what they want. Their actions however, typically betray their intentions.

SilverDeth on January 26, 2012 at 5:34 PM

People are running around here trying to peddle a Massachusetts liberal John Lindsey Republican as a Reagan Conservative.

This is AFTER he trashed Reagan during his race against Teddy.

At some point, this becomes parody.

No Romney. No way.

victor82 on January 26, 2012 at 5:41 PM

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