Open thread: The brawl to settle it all; Update: Newt leads nationally by 9

posted at 7:35 pm on January 26, 2012 by Allahpundit

8 p.m. ET on CNN, it’s Gingrich’s last chance to stop what suddenly looks like a Romney coronation in the last big early-state primary. What can he do here to regain the big Mo? Call Wolf Blitzer a communist, maybe? Or, as a Twitter buddy suggested today, extend his demand for seven three-hour Lincoln/Douglas debates with Obama to eight debates of four hours? The audience will be allowed to cheer and applaud tonight so thankfully this game show will once again have the proper tone. Take a lesson, NBC.

Newt’s going to hit three key themes, I think. One: According to Nancy Reagan herself, the Gipper passed the torch to him. According to Reagan’s own son, “I would take Newt Gingrich’s record any day over Mitt Romney’s.” That’s proof enough of who the real conservative in the race is, in case Romney’s endless metamorphoses hadn’t convinced you. Two: Romney’s a shady one-percenter whose Cayman investments and Swiss bank accounts leave him dead on arrival against Obama in the fall. Fundamentally that’s an electability pitch, but by tying it to Mitt’s Fannie/Freddie mutual fund investments, he can leverage some class resentment out of it too. Three, and maybe most importantly: The race is no longer Gingrich against Romney but rather Gingrich against “the establishment.” Rage against the machine:

Mr. Gingrich attempted to use those attacks to fuel his image as an outsider.

“Remember,” he told several hundred people standing beside a lake here, “the Republican establishment is just as much an establishment as the Democratic establishment, and they are just as determined to stop us. Make no bones about it. This is a campaign for the very nature of the Republican party.

A few hours ago, his campaign blasted out an e-mail titled, “300 Tea Party Organizations in 36 States Vow to Campaign for Gingrich.” Said Jonah Goldberg this morning, “Irony of Newt: 6 months ago it was absurd to call him an outsider. But now that the insiders have thrown him out, he is one.” That’s the point Newt wants to hit to mobilize grassroots conservatives in Florida, obviously — that if they’re tired of milquetoast Republican leadership and their media enablers, Tuesday is their absolute last chance to stop it. More from Politico on the “tea party vs. cocktail party” state of the race:

Tampa attorney Paul Phillips illustrates the gap. He came to Romney’s Tuesday morning State of the Union pre-buttal dressed for a business meeting, sporting a blue pinstriped suit and a smart polka-dot tie.

“I’m an educated elitist,” Phillips said before Romney spoke in a warehouse that has closed during the economic recession. “I mean seriously, I don’t view the tea party with a very good light. Most of them quote the Constitution and don’t understand it. It’s pretty scary, actually.”…

[A] Romney adviser was more derisive of the Anybody But Mitt Republicans.

“They like preachers,” the adviser said of the tea party demographic. “If you take them to a tent meeting they’ll get whipped into a frenzy. That’s how people like Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich get women to fall into bed with them.”

Romney’s strategy tonight, I assume, will be to keep pounding Gingrich on Freddie Mac and — if he’s daring, which he almost never is — on his big plans for spending billions to build condos on the moon or whatever. Santorum offered a nice fiscally conservative critique of that today, so presumably Romney will leave it to him; Santorum can afford to alienate Florida’s space industry given his standing in the polls but Romney can’t. I think Mitt will probably concentrate on attacking Gingrich’s electability, which is, after all, the crux of the establishment argument against him. Having failed to advance any compelling reasons to nominate himself, Romney’s going to try to turn the race into Newt vs. Not Newt. That’s what he’s left with after years of organizing and raising money to promote his “vision.”

I’m rooting for Newt tonight only because the dream of a late entrant dies if Romney wins Florida. Granted, it’s mostly dead anyway, but it’s really dead if Mitt’s the last man standing next week. Jay Cost wonders what if:

Somebody else – somebody with the ability to make the case for reform in a sober and courageous manner – should jump into this race. And not just to keep Obama from a second term. If 2012 is a decisive election – then we need a candidate with the courage and rectitude to make the choice clear to the voters, so that once in office he has the mandate to fix this mess.

Daniels could be that candidate. While he could not win an outright majority of delegates because of the passing of too many filing deadlines, he could do what Bobby Kennedy attempted in 1968: get in late, do well in the latter contests, win some big states, and make the case that, early primaries aside, he is the true choice of the party, the one who could unify everybody around a common cause. If nobody has won a majority of delegates by June, that could very well be enough for a dark horse victory for Daniels.

I’m convinced that Daniels wouldn’t do as well as the commentariat thinks, especially with pieces like this floating around out there, but Gingrich and Romney are terribly flawed candidates. It’d be nice to have at least one serious contender in the race who isn’t.

You’ll find the nifty Hot Air/Townhall livetweet widget below. To get you in the mood for the final battle between The Establishment and The People, via Mediaite here’s Romney fan Ann Coulter with Glenn Beck today unloading on Gingrich yet again. Newt is fired and up ready for the fight. Is Romney? Exit quotation: “‘I can’t wait. It’s going to be fun again, you know that,’ he added, unconvincingly.”


Update: Brand new numbers from NBC and the WSJ. Newt leads Mitt 37/28 nationally thanks to strong support from tea partiers and southerners. That’s the good news; the bad news is … pretty bad.

Romney fares best against the president, trailing Obama him by six points among registered voters, 49 percent to 43 percent. That’s a four-point improvement for the president from a month ago.

Obama, however, beats Gingrich by a whopping 18 points, 55-37 percent, expanding the president’s 11-point lead a month ago…

Gingrich particularly struggles with women and independents. Women say they would vote for Obama over Gingrich by a wide 69-21 percent gap, far wider than the 54-38 percent difference by which Obama beats Romney.

With independents, Gingrich gets just 28 percent against Obama, who wins with 52 percent. By contrast, Obama narrowly edges Romney with independents, 44 percent to 36 percent.

I wonder which of them will mention this poll first tonight.


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Speaking of the Holocaust…today is the 67th Anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz.
Never Forget.
Never Forgive.
NEVER AGAIN!

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2012 at 9:41 AM

Western Civilization seems completely unaware of the philosophical background that led up to those events, twerp. Otherwise we wouldn’t be having this political controversy we’re having these days.

The contest wouldn’t be between Marxism and Conservatism (or any variation of it)

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 9:49 AM

This is true. As a Tea Party supporter I CANNOT fathom how SOME TP’ers are supporting him when he goes against much of what we wanted in a candidate over 2 years ago.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

You want to see how the Romney campaign really feels about the Tea Party?

Read this.

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

This is true. As a Tea Party supporter I CANNOT fathom how SOME TP’ers are supporting him when he goes against much of what we wanted in a candidate over 2 years ago.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

It’s a tough call. One the one hand we have a serial adulterer who seems to understand Conservative principles and on the other hand we have a faithful father and husband who doesn’t.

What’s a kid to do?

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM

haha true.

I think what is dangerous about Gingrich, AS HE SHOWN A PROCLIVITY IN THE PAST TO DO THIS, is he makes statements to try to cement his place in history and they are so far off the reservation that conservatives cannot nor will not trust him.

With Romney, I understand why some question him, however, he WILL make the right choices as he has proven in the past and he will backed in the corner that he HAS to govern conservatively. Many pundits have made this same argument as well. Romney will be the more reliable conservative. More importantly Romney is the ONLY one with private and public sector experience of turning economies/budgets around. THIS. is the issue our country faces right now. Not lunar colonies.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

This is true. As a Tea Party supporter I CANNOT fathom how SOME TP’ers are supporting him when he goes against much of what we wanted in a candidate over 2 years ago.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:40 AM

You want to see how the Romney campaign really feels about the Tea Party?

Read this.

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Flora Duh…you know that we could take representatives from ALL the candidates.

I AM A TPer and I do not feel that way. :o)

I do question those that question Romney supporters as NOT TPers. Romney has a lot of backing of TP support.

I also feel, as I have stated on here many times before, that the TEA Party has been hijacked. Two years ago, the intent of the TP was NOT what it has turned into today which is basically if you are not the “right type of conservative” then we do not want you in the party.

Recall that the TP was ALL AMERICANS, regardless of party affiliation, that was sick and tired of gov’t waste and spending. THAT. was the origin of the TP. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, etc were ALL TEA Party members.

Today there are some conservatives that have taken the TP over and act like the black population does in that ONLY THEY can claim Martin Luther King, missing his entire point and cause.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Santorum was amazing last night – he won that debate by a mile – he was truly on fire and showed that he’s got what it takes to crush obama and put America on the road to recovery. Gingrich was extremely weak and seemed especially smarmy, snarky and arrogant. Romney went down in flames – thanks to Santorum. Ron Paul had some good moments – he was extra-cute last night, but again, showed that he is not presidential material.

It is time to dump the ESTABLISHMENT Twins Newt & Mitt and move on to the only candidate who can effectively, substantively and TRUTHFULLY distinguish himself from, and win against, obama. Santorum is the clear choice.

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

More importantly Romney is the ONLY one with private and public sector experience of turning economies/budgets around. THIS. is the issue our country faces right now. Not lunar colonies.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

I beg to differ, g2825m.

You make a very big mistakle if you think the issue is simply economics.

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Santorum’s a nice guy…and a full-bore religious-leaning STATIST!
He’s a non-Mormon hating Catholic Huckabee.
I’ll pass.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

More importantly Romney is the ONLY one with private and public sector experience of turning economies/budgets around. THIS. is the issue our country faces right now. Not lunar colonies.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Economic tunnel vision, g2825m

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Mitt says that the economy is getting BETTER, and he’s supposed to be some kind of whiz-kid venture capital guy? The only way things are going to get better is to get rid of all the lying muffers first. We’re in deep doo-doo and it is NOT GETTING SHALLOWER.

bigmike on January 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM

You make a very big mistakle if you think the issue is simply economics.

…and think we can turn this around by appointing the right Capitalist.

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:08 AM

More importantly Romney is the ONLY one with private and public sector experience of turning economies/budgets around. THIS. is the issue our country faces right now. Not lunar colonies.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

He is also the only one that has supported abortion, and supported and implemented RomneyCare, a health mandated federal subsidized health system, the foundation of ObamaCare, the most destructive bill ever passed by congress.
Saving a few companies, or destroying a nation’s health care and economy…there is no contest.

right2bright on January 27, 2012 at 10:11 AM

Mitt says the economy is getting better…

Mitt says he agrees with Obama’s ideas….

Why exactly are we trying to replace Obama with Mitt, again?

tkyang99 on January 27, 2012 at 10:12 AM

More importantly Romney is the ONLY one with private and public sector experience of turning economies/budgets around. THIS. is the issue our country faces right now. Not lunar colonies.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Economic tunnel vision, g2825m

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:06 AM

Cleo…we do need someone in office that understands how an economy works. THAT IS THE ISSUE. Obama is a socialist and has no clue of how a private sector works NOR DOES HE CARE. Romney understands how the private and public sector can work together and when the gov’t needs to get out of the way. That is why he is getting overwhelming support from the business community. :o)

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

“I’m convinced that Daniels wouldn’t do as well as the commentariat thinks, especially with pieces like this floating around out there, but Gingrich and Romney are terribly flawed candidates. It’d be nice to have at least one serious contender in the race who isn’t.” – AP

THE man was chased from the race already: Gov. Rick Perry.
Congrats, know-nothing elítists, you blew it again.
To be sure, Newt hasn’t distinguished himself in the past few days, but come on, who has?
The only chance to beat Ø’Bumbler just may not exist anymore.
When ChicagØbama shifts into high gear (if he can find it), both Mittens and Newton have already provided the ammunition.
Given who’s remaining, Gingrich is good enough for this “paleocon”.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on January 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

It is time to dump the ESTABLISHMENT Twins Newt & Mitt and move on to the only candidate who can effectively, substantively and TRUTHFULLY distinguish himself from, and win against, obama. Santorum is the clear choice.

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

He got my attention…Mitt and Romney are two children fighting in the sand box…even Ron Paul looked presidential compared to those two.
Newt with his “anti-immigration”, and Mitt with his faux indignation, as if he hasn’t spent millions spreading lies about Newt…Newt asking for a truce, Mitt agreeing, then taking a breath and launching into another personal attack…classless, both of them.

right2bright on January 27, 2012 at 10:15 AM

Recall that the TP was ALL AMERICANS, regardless of party affiliation, that was sick and tired of gov’t waste and spending. THAT. was the origin of the TP. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, etc were ALL TEA Party members.

Today there are some conservatives that have taken the TP over and act like the black population does in that ONLY THEY can claim Martin Luther King, missing his entire point and cause.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

That seems like an extremely wide and extremely limited argument to make about what the Tea Party was.
It was not waste that the Tea Party was against. It was the transfer of wealth to the wealthy. It was the incentives to doing things wrong. It was the blatant use of government against its citizens wills. In the end, the reality of what the Tea Party started out was the culmination of all things that brought to the consciousness of the American people that the nation was no longer controlled by we the people, but by Washington. That the nation was no longer run for the people, but for Washington and Wall Street.

Yes, it included some democrats, but they were always ideologically conservative, but emotionally ignorant and once the emergency was over, they went back to their emotionally happy places they always go to. That is not the Tea Party being taken over, that is the Tea Party being abandoned for the safety of the democrat feel good lies.

Yes, it included some independents, but as always with this group, their attention has a half life that is in the neighborhood of pico seconds and there was always the lure of MTV and Idol to make them forget their worries. There are far more important things life than worrying about a bill passed months ago by people who are likely all dead by now. Another large group abandoned ship and headed for the nearest tourist spot. No one kicked them out or left them behind.

The only group that stuck it out were the people who are always able to stick things out. Those who understand consequences, have personal convictions, are willing to work to find the right person to vote for to have those convictions worked upon. Conservatives. The group of personal responsibility. But even they were marginalized, I was marginalized, because the truth is that our economic mess is caused by something far more basic than economic activities that are bad for the economy. The morals of the nation have eroded so deeply that even those who argue they are conservative have no real concept of personal responsibility, have no idea how a person’s character flaws make them less able to act in fiscally sound ways.

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Obama is a socialist and has no clue of how a private sector works NOR DOES HE CARE

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

THAT’S where you make your first mistake.

Never underestimate the Left.

“for the sons of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own generation than the sons of light” Luke 16:8

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Mitt says that the economy is getting BETTER, and he’s supposed to be some kind of whiz-kid venture capital guy? The only way things are going to get better is to get rid of all the lying muffers first. We’re in deep doo-doo and it is NOT GETTING SHALLOWER.

bigmike on January 27, 2012 at 10:07 AM

TECHNICALLY, Romney is correct as we are not in a recession (per gov’t and economists definition of two straight quarters of negative non-growth) so he is correct but we are not growing fast enough and gov’t still has its heavy hand on the economy and Romney understands what will need to be done on DAY ONE. The other candidates do not have the economic background he does.

If would have originally elected Romney as many wanted to in 2008 and didn’t have the chance as had dropped out by then we would never had been in the situation we are in today.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Shain1611 on January 27, 2012 at 8:28 AM

You nailed it, Shain, but too few can connect those dots anymore.
They confuse Capitalism, an economic model, with Conservatism, a persective on reality – Biblical reality. Many of us are already crying. ~ Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Shain, I’m not laughing, either. You’re right, but most people won’t do what must be done to avert disaster, which is Repent and keep the Commandments ~ but that takes humility and discipline.

We’ve become a nation of OWSers and “entitlement” cowards (I’m not talking about the truly disable, who can’t work). We (not the government) must take care of our own families and communities, the widows and orphans, the poor, and the strangers.

TheClearRiver on January 27, 2012 at 10:17 AM

Romney understands how the private and public sector can work together and when the gov’t needs to get out of the way. That is why he is getting overwhelming support from the business community. :o)

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

No, because his top 10 financial supporters were recipients of TARP, and are the Wall Street gallery of rogues.
Mitt has no federal experience, only Newt, Ron, and Rick do…at least be honest.
Mitt has never worked, besides getting federal funding for his RomneyCare with a federal budget…he has no experience, save for his health care plan which will bankrupt the nation.

right2bright on January 27, 2012 at 10:18 AM

Romney’s dismissive “It’s not worth getting angry about” comment during last night’s debate was a killer gaffe. Perchance Little Lord Fauntleroy would deign to announce to the peons what, exactly, is worth getting angry about.

Christien on January 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Cleo…we do need someone in office that understands how an economy works. THAT IS THE ISSUE. Obama is a socialist and has no clue of how a private sector works NOR DOES HE CARE. Romney understands how the private and public sector can work together and when the gov’t needs to get out of the way. That is why he is getting overwhelming support from the business community. :o)

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM

We all know what crony capitalism is. We know why Obama and Romney are the two largest benefactors of the super wealthy who want to have the government continue to strip wealth from the middle to moderately wealthy and transfer it to themselves. Romney does not get the overwhelming support of the small business with sales figures in the sub 6 digit marker. Instead, he gets his support from the people in the top 1% to 2% but not from those under 3%.

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Today there are some conservatives that have taken the TP over and act like the black population does in that ONLY THEY can claim Martin Luther King, missing his entire point and cause.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Are you saying that Mitt’s campaign has been taken over by Mormon’s then?
Using your foolish analogy’s…

right2bright on January 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM

. The morals of the nation have eroded so deeply that even those who argue they are conservative have no real concept of personal responsibility, have no idea how a person’s character flaws make them less able to act in fiscally sound ways.

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:16 AM

Bears repeating.

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Recall that the TP was ALL AMERICANS, regardless of party affiliation, that was sick and tired of gov’t waste and spending. THAT. was the origin of the TP. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, etc were ALL TEA Party members.

Today there are some conservatives that have taken the TP over and act like the black population does in that ONLY THEY can claim Martin Luther King, missing his entire point and cause.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

That seems like an extremely wide and extremely limited argument to make about what the Tea Party was.
It was not waste that the Tea Party was against. It was the transfer of wealth to the wealthy. It was the incentives to doing things wrong. It was the blatant use of government against its citizens wills. In the end, the reality of what the Tea Party started out was the culmination of all things that brought to the consciousness of the American people that the nation was no longer controlled by we the people, but by Washington. That the nation was no longer run for the people, but for Washington and Wall Street.

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:16 AM

astonerii…
that seems to be a little bit of revisionist TEA Party history.

TEA remember stands for Taxed Enough Already! We were tired of the gov’t spending foolishly and wasting our taxpayer dollars. This call attracted Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, Indies, etc.

having control come back to the people is a correct statement you make. :o) However, some of your statement is incorrect and sounds OWSish!

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Christien on January 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM

and more quotes here on HA!

It appears we have been infiltrated by those that despise people who have success in life and it must be stopped because it is NOT FAIR!

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Today there are some conservatives that have taken the TP over and act like the black population does in that ONLY THEY can claim Martin Luther King, missing his entire point and cause.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Are you saying that Mitt’s campaign has been taken over by Mormon’s then?
Using your foolish analogy’s…

right2bright on January 27, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Right…
another example of why I have stopped responding to you because your comments MAKE NO SENSE?

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM

It appears we have been infiltrated by those that despise people who have success in life and it must be stopped because it is NOT FAIR!

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:26 AM

That’s a gross mischaracterization of their positions, g2825m.

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:31 AM

Oh please…..

I am a FULL Tea Party supporter and I have been married twice.

What happened with those marriages and why is none of your business!
It happens everyday and yes, it was NOT what I had in mind, either time!

Do you say then I am not QUALIFIED to know conservative values and that Obama is trying to take this country to an unrecoverable end?

Romney has a religion based on multiple wives and goes on as lately in the open as that debacle in Texas a few years ago, but it goes on today.

This is a straw argument…

Fact is the GOP elite wants to manage the money and do more of the same. Big ideas and new directions are what we need and Mitt says it but hasn’t DEMONSTRATED one!

I do wish, however Newt would have Calista just SIT down over there somewhere. (though her hair seems marginally better)

golfmann on January 27, 2012 at 10:31 AM

For those who are dreaming about a Gingrich/Santorum ticket – I believe they both now live in Virginia, and would therefore not be able to form a ticket together.

NbyNW on January 27, 2012 at 10:34 AM

Flora Duh…you know that we could take representatives from ALL the candidates.

I AM A TPer and I do not feel that way. :o)

I do question those that question Romney supporters as NOT TPers. Romney has a lot of backing of TP support.

I also feel, as I have stated on here many times before, that the TEA Party has been hijacked. Two years ago, the intent of the TP was NOT what it has turned into today which is basically if you are not the “right type of conservative” then we do not want you in the party.

Recall that the TP was ALL AMERICANS, regardless of party affiliation, that was sick and tired of gov’t waste and spending. THAT. was the origin of the TP. Democrats, Republicans, Independents, Libertarians, etc were ALL TEA Party members.

Today there are some conservatives that have taken the TP over and act like the black population does in that ONLY THEY can claim Martin Luther King, missing his entire point and cause.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

It’s optics sir. I realize that you are at a disadvantage being unable to access social media sites, so I’m not sure if you’re fully aware of how comments like those I linked to are resonating with a lot of folks in the Tea Party, especially among those who live in what is commonly known as “flyover country”.

And it’s not just his elite “advisers” and hoity toity supporters I’m referring to. Last night, even some Romney supporters here on HA were telling people that were questioning his resolve to govern as a conservative, that their vote was “not needed” and “irrelevant”.

Yet we’re told by some Romney supporters, like bluegill, that “come Nov. you will vote for Romney and you will like it”.

Not the best way to “make friends and influence people”.

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Do you say then I am not QUALIFIED to know conservative values and that Obama is trying to take this country to an unrecoverable end?

golfmann on January 27, 2012 at 10:31 AM

In the right circumstances, it might cause you to know them even better.

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:26 AM

Nope. IMO, Romney’s almost completely out of touch with normal Americans and is the wrong tool for the job. I wouldn’t trade places with Romney for all the money in the world, and I don’t harbor one iota of jealousy toward him. There’s certainly no way in hell I would waste my vote for president on LLF.

Christien on January 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM

Tired, broke, Santorum heads home.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM

Those who think they know what will happen on Tuesday, put your crowns, pipes, cigars and champagne away.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 10:36 AM

+1. Your vote is Little Lord Fauntleroy’s birthright, dontchaknow?

Christien on January 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Romney’s dismissive “It’s not worth getting angry about” comment during last night’s debate was a killer gaffe.

Christien on January 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM

It sure brewed up a sh*t storm on Twitter. Lots of folks were saying they were more upset about that comment than they were Rick Perry’s “you don’t have a heart” comment, because it gave the impression of dismissing their anger about Obamacare.

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Pork-Chop on January 27, 2012 at 10:02 AM

Santorum’s a nice guy…and a full-bore religious-leaning STATIST!
He’s a non-Mormon hating Catholic Huckabee.
I’ll pass.
annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2012 at 10:05 AM

Hello . . . Spanish Inquisition? I have another one to report . . .

listens2glenn on January 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM

Those who think they know what will happen on Tuesday, put your crowns, pipes, cigars and champagne away.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

41% Newt
33% Romney
19-20% Santorum
4-6% Ron Paul.

I got an iPad on the line, better happen!

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM

Once again g2825m, thank you for your service, and please stay safe.

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Perchance Little Lord Fauntleroy would deign to announce to the peons what, exactly, is worth getting angry about.

Christien on January 27, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Agreed. It does not appear that he knows, and that’s my particular problem with him.

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 10:54 AM

that seems to be a little bit of revisionist TEA Party history.

TEA remember stands for Taxed Enough Already! We were tired of the gov’t spending foolishly and wasting our taxpayer dollars. This call attracted Dems, Repubs, Libertarians, Indies, etc.

having control come back to the people is a correct statement you make. :o) However, some of your statement is incorrect and sounds OWSish!

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Really? Taxed Enough Already was created well after the first wave of rallies. So, is taxed enough already really the basis of the Tea Party? There were no increasing taxes at the time. It was all spending, and the spending that was happening was to bail out wall street, some people were talking about bailing out the flip this house mortgage holders and so forth. Most Americans did not support the TARP, I never did, and I never will. Most Americans do not support bailing out wall street banks that make massive profits in the good years and then sock the tax payers with the bills for the bad years. We voiced our concerns before the legislation hit the presidents desk and we were ignored. So we went to the streets to remind them that we are a Republic and that they serve the We The People, not we the wall street. There is no revisionism there. The revisionism is in your argument. Taxed Enough Already. Sad, very sad.

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Also, Romney just seems like a guy who can’t handle heated situations very well. IMO, the leader of the free world doesn’t go all “U mad bro?” when it comes to extremely important, emotionally charged subjects such as people’s health.

IMO, it was a killer gaffe which overshadowed anything else Romney accomplished during his performance last night.

Christien on January 27, 2012 at 11:03 AM

Hello . . . Spanish Inquisition? I have another one to report . . .

listens2glenn on January 27, 2012 at 10:52 AM


And NO ONE expects the-you know…

annoyinglittletwerp on January 27, 2012 at 11:14 AM

What do you really know about Mormonism?

I found this interesting:

http://damagereport.com/?p=789

golfmann on January 27, 2012 at 11:34 AM

And it’s not just his elite “advisers” and hoity toity supporters I’m referring to. Last night, even some Romney supporters here on HA were telling people that were questioning his resolve to govern as a conservative, that their vote was “not needed” and “irrelevant”.

Yet we’re told by some Romney supporters, like bluegill, that “come Nov. you will vote for Romney and you will like it”.

I see seen these attitudes frequently – about a month ago I was called a “trog” by one of these people – and I have to say, it has done nothing but hardened my resolve to push against Ken-Doll, and no way in HELL will I vote for him, even against Barry “Satan” Hussein.

I don’t vote for someone I am “told” to vote for.
In fact, since I am one to misbehave when it comes to any illegitimate authority figure attempting to impose their will on me… they very very much might not like what I choose to do with my “useless, insignificant, little vote,” just to show them they can’t tell me to do jack…

SilverDeth on January 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM

just to show them they can’t tell me to do jack…

SilverDeth on January 27, 2012 at 11:35 AM

I forbid you to vote Newt in the Primary! I am an inauthentic authority figure.

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 11:46 AM

Gonna turn in. Out of shotgun shells and most of the fish in the barrel are stone cold dead.

Later.

Horace on January 27, 2012 at 2:20 AM

Missed this last night. Hope that you reloaded, in all aspects. Always good to be prepared, always. It’s one of my favorite activities, the shell item.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Obama wastes millions on his silly green companies. Newt wants to waste trillions building moon colonies.

What an embarrassment.

EddieC on January 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

What an embarrassment.

EddieC on January 27, 2012 at 11:58 AM

Not as embarrassing as Mitt telling Rick last night that Romneycare/Obamnacare is “not worth getting angry about”.

What utter, out-of-touch b.s..

kingsjester on January 27, 2012 at 12:05 PM

Palinistas, listen up! Here is video of Newt defending Sarah just after she got the VP nod. Recall, this was about the time the elite media and the establishment from both parties decided to undermine her. So, his stance was not the common one. I also do not recall Romney defending Palin, especially with the same vigor as Newt does during an NBC video. The video is especially worthwhile, because the NBC idiot walks away with his guts in his hands.

Mutnodjmet on January 27, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Com’on people. Gingrich this week stated he wants to build a moon base. This idiotic. You expect he wouldn’t do idiotic things when he has the power?

Mitt will be fine. He will tow the line, and do as his platform states. If the repeal of Obamacare lands on his desk, he will sign it. IMO, though, we have to figure out a way about the preexisting conditions issue.

rubberneck on January 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

41% Newt
33% Romney
19-20% Santorum
4-6% Ron Paul.

I got an iPad on the line, better happen!

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:53 AM

Better get in line at the Apple store.

rubberneck on January 27, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Com’on people. Gingrich this week stated he wants to build a moon base. This idiotic.

Yeah, just like how idiotic sending a man to the moon was. What were we thinking? It’ll just bankrupt us. Better leave these meaningless pursuits to more prosperous and advanced countries, like China.

tkyang99 on January 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

He will tow the line, and do as his platform states. If the repeal of Obamacare lands on his desk, he will sign it. IMO, though, we have to figure out a way about the preexisting conditions issue.

rubberneck on January 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Before you get a lot of grief and called names…..the term is “Toe the line”.

csdeven on January 27, 2012 at 12:31 PM

Rush is talking up Santorum today. Rush says Santorum clearly won the debate.

BoxHead1 on January 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM

You save me correcting him.

The Tea Parties were named from the original Boston Tea Party after Rick Santelli’s rant. At some point someone came up with using TEA as an acronym.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

Rush is talking up Santorum today. Rush says Santorum clearly won the debate.

BoxHead1 on January 27, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Rush is all about his ratings.

haner on January 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

rubberneck on January 27, 2012 at 12:19 PM

You know what, I don’t know if a moon base is at all feasible what with our debt unless private investing for scientific research/tech dev was involved, but if you’re talking the ability to do it, you should know that in 1961 JFK said he wanted a man safely on the moon at the end of the decade, and we were there in 1969. At the time in 1961 we were behind the USSR in development.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

The leaders of the Two Party Evil Money Cult in Washington D.C. now know from the tea party 2010 elections that we are on to their con.

So like any herd of bore hogs protecting a trough of slop they will “take out” any one who dares to come near the “tax payer slop” they feed on.

Here is a link to an outspoken citizen who they have been attacking and will attack harder now.

http://www.sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/

It is a fight for freedom, no matter who spins it any other way.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on January 27, 2012 at 12:48 PM

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 10:59 AM

You save me correcting him.

The Tea Parties were named from the original Boston Tea Party after Rick Santelli’s rant. At some point someone came up with using TEA as an acronym.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM

INC there is no correction needed…

TEA Stands for Taxed Enough Already and you also confirm it by your statement that it was based off the Boston Tea Party revolt and WHY was that? Because they were tired of the TAXES. I KNOW why the Tea Party exists. I’m a TP supporter. What has happened is that many of the social conservatives of the party has now decided to CLOSE the ranks on what HAD drawn millions of DEMS, REPUBS, LIBERTNS, INDIES, to its TENT and then began to say Nope, we do not want your kind in here because you are not conservative enough when the whole movement was based on gov’t overreach and TAXATION. The TP is currently hijacked and missing an opportunity here to bring in more people to OUR SIDE.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Oh, come on. I know the history of the Boston Tea Party, but the acronym was not used then and it was not mentioned in Santelli’s rant. At some point someone clever–or several, because people can spontaneously have the same idea–thought up the acronym.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM

And by whom is it hijacked and how do you define our side?

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

You know what, I don’t know if a moon base is at all feasible what with our debt unless private investing for scientific research/tech dev was involved, but if you’re talking the ability to do it, you should know that in 1961 JFK said he wanted a man safely on the moon at the end of the decade, and we were there in 1969. At the time in 1961 we were behind the USSR in development.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:47 PM

That’s why it doesn’t bother me much if China’s trying to go to the moon while we do nothing. If they start trying to build a base there, we can catch up quickly and outdo them. At least then, there will be a clear mission for our space program. NASA hasn’t had a real mission in the past 20 years. To push for the moonbase now while the Chinese are still tweaking their rice cooker capsule and we’re in so much debt just seem more quixotic than anything else.

haner on January 27, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Key points here:
Newt Gingrich’s former Republican colleagues in the House are more than a little nervous about the prospects of sharing a ticket with him in November.

They think he’d run weakly in the suburbs. And among women. And independents. And especially in the Northeast.

To some of them, he’s a disaster in the making, a potentially combustible nominee who could, in a worst case scenario, cost the GOP its newly minted majority.

The concern is serious enough, one freshman Republican told POLITICO, that on the bus ride back from the House GOP retreat in Baltimore last week, Gingrich’s electability was the prime subject of discussion among nearly a dozen members — many of them first-termers.

Several conservative female lawmakers “recoiled” at the thought of Gingrich at the top of the ticket, according to the Republican.

A key concern expressed in the conversation was whether Gingrich would appeal to suburbanites — a demographic critical to the reelection hopes of many GOP House members.

“When I saw the reaction from conservative women, it scared me,” said the freshman who, like several other members interviewed for this story, spoke only on the condition of anonymity. “He needs to let us know how he’s going to appeal to suburban independents if he’s the nominee.”

Northeastern Republicans, a regional class of members who faced near-extinction after suffering big losses in 2006 and 2008, are particularly unnerved by Gingrich’s rise.

In soliciting support on Capitol Hill, Romney has sought to highlight his potential reliability as a Republican nominee. At a closed-door meeting with GOP lawmakers last year, Romney offered this promise to the more than 60 members of Congress who came to hear him.

“I won’t embarrass you,” he said.

“With Newt as the nominee, everyday would be either excellent or awful. He’s an undisciplined messenger with huge baggage and abrasive to swing voters to boot. Newt’s our dream ticket to the minority,” said a conservative House Republican from the South. “He’ll snatch defeat from a winnable race in similar fashion to what Sharron Angle did with Harry Reid.”http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72063.html

The key points here are these are new FRESHMEN likely brought in via the Tea Party surge and so TP conservatives are worried about a Gingrich ticket.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM

haner,

I was only trying to make the point that we have the scientific/tech ability to do it. I think that’s fairly clear from my comment.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Conservative North Florida voters: Romney’s too rich

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 8:16 AM

“I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money”
- Gingrich Conservative

Gelsomina on January 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM

“I won’t embarrass you,” he said.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM

What a reason to back Romney. For crying out loud, I don’t care if Congress is embarrassed or not. They should be, in fact. And on a regular basis.

For Politico to quote one anon person who’s supposedly talking about less than a dozen members. Not credible.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM

@mattklewis ‘Mitt Romney’s Struggle With Truth Continues’ http://t.co/WYvbC3a8

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 8:30 AM

You couldn’t find an article by MoveOn.org?

Gelsomina on January 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM

And by whom is it hijacked and how do you define our side?

INC on January 27, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Our Side = Conservatives

We had an opportunity to expand our party but as you read on HA and other conservative sites basically ANY Romney supporter cannot possibly be a TP’er. And also even if you are a Blue Dog Democrat that believes the gov’t has overstepped its bounds and is interested in being won over to our cause they would come on HA and get “shouted” down by those that do not feel they are the right kind of conservative. Almost to the point that unless you backed Gingrich, previously Cain, or Perry, etc then you were not a TRUE TP member.

The TP movement is much BIGGER than some on HA want to recognize and those particular people are the ones I am referring to as hijacking the movement from its ORIGINAL INTENT. Low taxes, significantly reduced gov’t involvement in our lives, and follow the freakin’ Constitution. That is what I was referring to :o)

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 1:10 PM

“I won’t embarrass you,” he said.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:58 PM

What a reason to back Romney. For crying out loud, I don’t care if Congress is embarrassed or not. They should be, in fact. And on a regular basis.

For Politico to quote one anon person who’s supposedly talking about less than a dozen members. Not credible.

INC on January 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM

Read the entire article. I only posted a little bit of it. Politico spoke to several members!

This is also goes to my point earlier about the TP being hijacked. These members are likely TP members or helped by the movement. They are speaking anonymously because they have seen how Kelly Ayotte, Nikki Haley, et al have been raked over the coals because certain factions of the TP have not agreed with them! They are afraid of this ALMOST Mob mentality that SOME in the TP have that unless you support MY candidate then you are not a true TPer.

I am glad my Congressman, Jeff Flake, one of THE MOST fiscal members of Congress recognizes that Romney also stands for what the TP wants and that is reduced taxes and less gov’t involvement.

Tuesday will be a big day.

One other comment, Romney is likely to win because he has the support nationwide where Gingrich and Santorum have to rely on these debates because they do not have a PRESIDENTIAL campaign that can carry them across the country. Go Romney!

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM

“I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money”
- Gingrich Conservative

Gelsomina on January 27, 2012 at 1:03 PM

You couldn’t find an article by MoveOn.org?

Gelsomina on January 27, 2012 at 1:09 PM

Deflect instead of defend.

Kill the messenger instead of addressing the message.

Thank you, that’s very liberal of you.

Flora Duh on January 27, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Right…
another example of why I have stopped responding to you because your comments MAKE NO SENSE?

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM

You didn’t get the irony…that’s the same logic you use, get it?
Saying the TP and conservatives are like the “black population”, yeah that made a lot of sense.
It’s your logic pal, I was just repeating it in a way that you can see how foolish it was…glad you agree.

right2bright on January 27, 2012 at 1:27 PM

My impressions from last night:

Gingrich did terrible, Romney cleaned his clock in those early exchanges.

But Romney himself gave a terrible answer on illegal immigration; what happened to the Mitt Romney from Iowa who was going to make sure that “illegals go to the back of the line” and characterized any actions that would allow illegals to remain here as a “special pathway to citizenship” which he would not favor?

Santorum owned the night, and he absolutely destroyed Mitt in that Romneycare exchange. No one has launched a sustained and effective critique of Romney like that throughout this cycle.

Lawdawg86 on January 27, 2012 at 1:31 PM

It’s a tough call. One the one hand we have a serial adulterer who seems to understand Conservative principles and on the other hand we have a faithful father and husband who doesn’t.

Cleombrotus on January 27, 2012 at 9:43 AM

It’s not a tough call at all. Romney understands conservative principles–smaller government, less regulation, untrammeled growth of the private sector, reform of entitlements, lower taxes,return to Tenth Amendment parameters, strong national defense, pro-Israel, pro-life, pro-family values. Romney supports every one of these principles. The way you frame your dilemma is therefore unfair. If anything, Romney is to the right of Newt.

As for the evangelical support in SC of Newt Gingrich over Republicans such as Santorum and Romney, the explanation is fairly evident. Southerners consistently discount NE politicians–no matter what policies they advocate. Today Rasmussen argued that politicians are always scored on a curve when it comes to family values–hence the evangelical support for Gingrich in SC. But that’s patently false. There was no such scoring for Rudy in 2008. So what’s really going on? Why couldn’t Santorum repeat his IA win in SC among evangelicals, despite his strength as a family values candidate?

I think the explanation is fairly obvious. It is sheer regional bias–the same bias that permeates Rush Limbaugh’s perspective when he talks about “establishment” politicians who hail from blue states, the same biased perspective of so many Southern-dominated conservative blogs as well. In fact the same irrational animosity toward Romney is being displayed that had been evident for Rudy in the last primary cycle. It even pops up whenever Christie’s name is mentioned in the context of a potential candidacy. Almost simultaneously words like “moderate” and “rino” are used to define him–though no such epithets are ever used to define good ol’ boys like Gingrich or Huckabee, both populists who at one time or another have espoused liberal or moderate policies.

Regional bias runs deep within the GOP rank and file–a tension that is at its roots self-defeating since so many important swing states don’t share the perspective of the more homogeneous South. And since so much of Southern politics is religiously oriented, a fierce screening process has been set up to eliminate social moderates as candidates, but none at all to screen out fiscal moderates. Hence the long chain of nominees who have been weak on fiscal issues and were never true conservatives to begin with–nominees like both Bushes, Dole, McCain, Ford, Nixon. No distiction is made, for instance, between a free enterprise advocate with a strong executive background like Romney, and a fiscal illiterate and legislator like McCain. Both are broadly brushed as “moderates” with no appreciation for the truly distinct backgrounds of each politician.

writeblock on January 27, 2012 at 1:38 PM

INC there is no correction needed…

TEA Stands for Taxed Enough Already and you also confirm it by your statement that it was based off the Boston Tea Party revolt and WHY was that? Because they were tired of the TAXES. I KNOW why the Tea Party exists. I’m a TP supporter. What has happened is that many of the social conservatives of the party has now decided to CLOSE the ranks on what HAD drawn millions of DEMS, REPUBS, LIBERTNS, INDIES, to its TENT and then began to say Nope, we do not want your kind in here because you are not conservative enough when the whole movement was based on gov’t overreach and TAXATION. The TP is currently hijacked and missing an opportunity here to bring in more people to OUR SIDE.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Uh huh, You got yourself one of them there liberal edjumacations didn’t you? The tax the original Boston Tea Party, notice the letters there, one capital T and the rest lower case, was on tea, the tax was levied at the port when the tea was moved from the ship to the docks. Instead of accepting the tea delivery and paying the tax, they threw the tea into the water. Nice try, but the Tea Party as it was initially forming, did not yet have the monicker of Taxed Enough Already. It rose up because Americans saw the government acting against the will of We the People and in the interest of Them the Wall Street Bankers.

astonerii on January 27, 2012 at 2:10 PM

FINAL DRUDGE POLL RESULTS… READERS FROM FLORIDA ONLY: ROMNEY 34.78%… SANTORUM 24.61%… PAUL 22.7%… GINGRICH 17.92%…

haner on January 27, 2012 at 2:20 PM

They are afraid of this ALMOST Mob mentality that SOME in the TP have that unless you support MY candidate then you are not a true TPer.

g2825m on January 27, 2012 at 1:18 PM

It cannot be stated enough that there is a certain segment of TPers whose favorite roguishly rouge most ethical conservative of all time continues to shill for the only politician in the race with a proven and admitted long, long, long history of infidelities, lying, corruption, and erratic behavior. Most of them infect Hot Air. They deserve no serious thought while they are behaving in absolute contravention of the basic tenet of conservatism. That being honorable service and trustworthy stewardship of the public’s sacred trust. That despicable pig Gingrich had his chance to show that he valued that trust above all else and instead he put his personal interests above it all.

Keep it up Palin and whatever credibility you have will evaporate.

csdeven on January 27, 2012 at 2:58 PM

No one has launched a sustained and effective critique of Romney like that throughout this cycle.

Lawdawg86 on January 27, 2012 at 1:31 PM

I wonder who is hurt most by Santorum’s successes? Gingrich or Romney?

csdeven on January 27, 2012 at 3:01 PM

I wonder who is hurt most by Santorum’s successes? Gingrich or Romney?

csdeven on January 27, 2012 at 3:01 PM

Soon Rick will join Newt.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

Soon Rick will join Newt.

Schadenfreude on January 27, 2012 at 3:12 PM

That is possible but he’ll do as Perry has done. He’ll hide because his attacks against him are so recent that any comments supporting him would be immediately jumped upon.

I haven’t seen any recent poll numbers, but a few weeks back, Romney was the second choice for most of these candidates supporters. So Gingrich will get some, but he wont get them all.

csdeven on January 27, 2012 at 3:20 PM

Soon Rick will join Newt.

No. Santorum will have a future–by running against Casey in PA. His high wire performance has been impressive–and undoes the resentment many in my state once felt about his support for Specter. Newt’s future as an insider is doubtful.

writeblock on January 27, 2012 at 4:17 PM

Look at the front page pic again… FOX news and the Republican establishment are laughing at you. They’re laughing in YOUR face.

apocalypse on January 26, 2012 at 11:26 PM

Don’t dispair. It’s not over by far. The ones with the cigars, crowns and the champagne have suffered before. They will again.

Schadenfreude on January 26, 2012 at 11:30 PM

Respect…

apocalypse on January 28, 2012 at 11:42 AM

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