Contrary to Occupiers’ claims, camping is not a First Amendment right

posted at 6:35 pm on January 25, 2012 by Tina Korbe

As I reported Jan. 18, California Republican Rep. Darrell Issa’s House Oversight Committee has asked for answers to the question of why D.C. Occupiers were allowed to camp indefinitely in a public park. Given that D.C. has a no-camping-in-public-places law in place, the question might better be phrased: Why were D.C. Occupiers allowed to break the law?

Yesterday, Issa’s Committee received testimony from National Park Service officials, who said they plan to enforce the no-camping law soon — but that they won’t evict the Occupiers except in emergency circumstances. I’m at a loss as to how they plan to enforce the law without enforcing the law, but let’s set that aside for a moment to focus on something even more interesting. The National Park Service officials — and, not surprisingly, the Occupiers themselves — claim the protesters have a First Amendment right to squat in a public place. The NPS officials cited decades of case law that has allowed protesters to host 24-hour vigils on parkland.

The National Park people do know the Occupation has dragged on for months now, don’t they? At any rate, case law should take a backseat to Supreme Court precedent anyway. Heritage Foundation investigative reporter Lachlan Markay explains why camping out night and day at taxpayers’ expense and at the risk of public safety and public health doesn’t qualify as protected speech:

The Supreme Court weighed in on the issue in the 1984 case Clark v. Community for Creative Nonviolence. The NPS had granted CCNV a permit to conduct demonstrations on the National Mall designed to bring attention to the plight of the homeless. But when CCNV set up a tent city – and looked to camp out in it – to drive its point home, the NPS denied its request for a permit that would allow them to sleep there.

CCNV sued, arguing that the act of sleeping in the tent city was integral to its efforts to demonstrate the suffering of homeless people – the entire purpose of the protest. The Supreme Court disagreed, and ruled 7-2 that NPS’s enforcement of the anti-camping statute did not violate CCNV’s First Amendment rights.

As summarized in the syllabus for the decision:

“Assuming that overnight sleeping in connection with the demonstration is expressive conduct protected to some extent by the First Amendment, the regulation forbidding sleeping meets the requirements for a reasonable time, place, or manner restriction of expression, whether oral, written, or symbolized by conduct. The regulation is neutral with regard to the message presented, and leaves open ample alternative methods of communicating the intended message concerning the plight of the homeless. Moreover, the regulation narrowly focuses on the Government’s substantial interest in maintaining the parks in the heart of the Capital in an attractive and intact condition, readily available to the millions of people who wish to see and enjoy them by their presence. To permit camping would be totally inimical to these purposes. The validity of the regulation need not be judged solely by reference to the demonstration at hand, and none of its provisions are unrelated to the ends that it was designed to serve.”

Got it, Occupiers? You have a right to protest, but that right is subject to reasonable time, place and manner restrictions. What — did you think your acts of violence were protected speech, too?


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Dang tea parties!

tom daschle concerned on May 2, 2013 at 8:04 AM

Makes you wonder if MSNBC is today covering what happened yesterday the same way you would report a new ride or attraction opening up at Disneyland.

pilamaye on May 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM

When indiscipline Ed children don’t get what they want the ALWAYS throw tantrums.

Good spankings are what’s needed.

Cleombrotus on May 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM

Seattle…….hotbed of the Latte Revolution!

PappyD61 on May 2, 2013 at 8:07 AM

A city of illegals, hedonistic potheads, leftists and social radicals . . . what else should one expect.

rplat on May 2, 2013 at 8:09 AM

Try banging a car around and smashing windows here in Texas and see what happens. I haven’t heard any of these riots and protests happening here, even in Ultra-Liberal Austin, or other lib areas such as Houston, San Antonio or El Paso. Remember, an armed society is a polite society.

DAT60A3 on May 2, 2013 at 8:09 AM

If liberals get what they want, every day will be May Day like in Seattle.

And they’ll still call it ‘peaceful’.

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Rather smart of that television news crew to hire a big black bodyguard, who although ultimately couldn’t control the crowd, did a hell of a job protecting his camera guy. Gee, what’s a loony white spoiled in a mask college guy to do when he want to pop “the man” and the guy pushing back is black?! You back off.

Marcus on May 2, 2013 at 8:21 AM

WTH were they even protesting?
This is yet another reason why I do not regret moving from W. WA in the summer of ’96.

Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM

I have never understood the leftist war on garbage cans, but the garbage can warriors should be harshly dealt with. They would stop this silliness if they faced real consequences. I know. I hung out with these people a decade ago, though I never shared their politics.

thuja on May 2, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Took ‘em seven years during the Clinton Administration before they decided to tear up downtown Seattle, during the G-8 Summit. So I suppose the spin on this from the big medias (if they cover it at all) will be this shows Obama’s even more of a moderate than Clinton was.

jon1979 on May 2, 2013 at 8:27 AM

WTH were they even protesting?
Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM

Oh I dunno, “women’s rights”,”justice”,”inequality”,… lack of pot as a human right?

They are clowns, no, they are a pale shadow of the 60′s left, lashing out at authority while simultaneously demanding more of it.

Mad dogs off their leash. A much better way to describe the rabble.

Gatsu on May 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM

smashing windows of a pharmacy? that’s got to really make the man stop and think..Ritalin babies

DanMan on May 2, 2013 at 8:29 AM

I have never understood the leftist war on garbage cans, but the garbage can warriors should be harshly dealt with. They would stop this silliness if they faced real consequences. I know. I hung out with these people a decade ago, though I never shared their politics.

thuja on May 2, 2013 at 8:24 AM

Liberals, themselves, are the main reason I stopped being liberal.

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:29 AM

WTH were they even protesting?
This is yet another reason why I do not regret moving from W. WA in the summer of ’96.

Badger40 on May 2, 2013 at 8:23 AM

I’m not sure they know. I think they want communism because it’s been drilled into their empty heads that they deserve the fruit of everyone else’s labor or something. They think they’re special.

If liberals ever get want they won’t like it very much.

darwin on May 2, 2013 at 8:30 AM

They are clowns, no, they are a pale shadow of the 60′s left, lashing out at authority while simultaneously demanding more of it.

Gatsu on May 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM

Yes. They cry out for more government and when more government shows up to beat them back they become confused and demand even more.

Liberals aren’t known for being great thinkers, just great followers and eventual victims.

darwin on May 2, 2013 at 8:33 AM

If liberals ever get want they won’t like it very much.

darwin on May 2, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Then they’ll be stuck with it, because if they pull their stunts in the future they demand, a lot of them are going to get shot.

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Jackals…….

crosshugger on May 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Liberals aren’t known for being great thinkers, just great followers and eventual victims.

darwin on May 2, 2013 at 8:33 AM

Remember: They call this ‘enlightenment’.

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM

The NRA should declare May 1st Firearms Appreciation Day. Let them protest that.

meci on May 2, 2013 at 8:37 AM

They spit and sprayed Silly String on KIRO reporter David Ham and hit his photographer, the station reports.

Quick! Call Toomey and Manchin. We need background checks on assault Silly String purchases — pronto!

CJ on May 2, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Just remember that the National Socialists also celebrated May day…

May Day – Berlin 1933
http://www.britishpathe.com/video/may-day-berlin

Nazi May Day
http://avaxnews.net/fact/Nazi_May_Day.html

1933 Hitler celebrates May Day in Berlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eZS2C6nBM08

Colbyjack on May 2, 2013 at 8:41 AM

They’re pining for the communist way of life. They should get a taste of what’s that’s like.

Shot.

BigWyo on May 2, 2013 at 8:41 AM

Just think of how good they feel about their accomplishments this morning.

docflash on May 2, 2013 at 8:42 AM

Quick! Call Toomey and Manchin. We need background checks on assault Silly String purchases — pronto!

CJ on May 2, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Why bother? The ‘victims’ were only media people. I have no problem at all with LSM types getting what they do from the liberals they manufacture into being ‘heroes’.

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM

Remember: They call this ‘enlightenment’.

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:34 AM

Aren’t their two stages of enlightenment?

Stage one is the typical liberal who thinks utopia is just around the corner if they only had a little more government, no 2nd Amendment and censorship of the right.

Stage two occurs when they get that little more government and the censorship they crave and is typified with loud wailing, moans and cries of “Oh my God what have we done”?

darwin on May 2, 2013 at 8:45 AM

Have you noticed that this is becoming quite normal? The left is increasingly emboldened, California seeking to seize firearms from people it deems unfit for ownership, Connecticut & Colorado with their ridiculous new gun laws, Seattle with it’s riots, LA with the near riot over the Koch Bros.’ bid to buy the Tribune Company, the outright refusal of the press to cover Benghazi or Gosnell & on & on & on! We are not very far from complete chaos. Obama certainly has “fundamentally changed America!”

Boats48 on May 2, 2013 at 8:47 AM

It’s a bunch of young stupid people who desperately wish that they had a real cause.

When you’re young and your brain is a vacuum, with nothing to do except something boring like working and building a life, you do THIS ^^.

GeeWhiz on May 2, 2013 at 8:48 AM

and I am sure like the good narcissists they are, they scampered home to enjoy their behavior being replayed on the their local lib channel..

hillsoftx on May 2, 2013 at 8:49 AM

Stage two occurs when they get that little more government and the censorship they crave and is typified with loud wailing, moans and cries of “Oh my God what have we done”?

darwin on May 2, 2013 at 8:45 AM

They’ll blame the Republicans.

“If Republicans never existed, this would have worked out just fine!”

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:54 AM

And in NYC…

The gang headed to Union Square for the “big celebration”– a red-letter day for the losers.

Good photos.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/347128/occupy-wall-street-2013-edition

onlineanalyst on May 2, 2013 at 8:57 AM

Aw, come on!

This wasn’t a protest…these were just people trying
out for a new Reality Show.

“We Hate America”

ToddPA on May 2, 2013 at 8:59 AM

This is why I need 30 round mags…

mjbrooks3 on May 2, 2013 at 9:04 AM

hattteeee these freaks of nature

blatantblue on May 2, 2013 at 9:05 AM

Why is it that southerners can have huge peaceful city celebrations, but our betters in the north don’t know how to behave in public? That’s a gross generalization, but I’m basing it on the riots we see in “enlightened” Seattle whenever they try to celebrate May Day or Mardi Gras, while my Texas city annually pulls off a huge 9 day fiesta with no problems. And they say we are the uncivilized ones.

juliesa on May 2, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Whatever – obama’s liberals don’t work, don’t pay taxes, and don’t care – what’s new?

Pork-Chop on May 2, 2013 at 9:15 AM

I watched the activities live on KIRO TV’s web stream. Seattle police did a good job last night.
The tactics used were appropriate.
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My morning stream of consciousness. :-)
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Does the wall-to-wall media coverage encourage civil disturbance?
(Ex. MLB does not televise people who run out on to the filed. As a result, such incidents are less frequent)
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Some fun facts re. Seattle. I go there often. I know.
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Recreational use of marijuana in Wash. is legal.
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They honor the dictator Lennin with a large statue.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/127692333.html
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The homeless and panhandlers are numerous and aggressive.
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The personality of the city is noticeably “cold”. There is even phrase to describe it – “Seattle Ice”
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Did the people in Seattle deserve last night – no, but they shouldn’t be surprised either.

diogenes on May 2, 2013 at 9:31 AM

When the police finally started arresting everyone who disturbed the peace rather than wait for real trouble to begin — hundreds of people ended up cooling their heels in jail — the riots ended within two years. Troublemakers went elsewhere.

If the police shot several of them, it wouldn’t take two years

krome on May 2, 2013 at 9:35 AM

Tea Party 2.0

–bayam

tom daschle concerned on May 2, 2013 at 9:36 AM

The violence inherent in the Left. They are not for peace or justice. They are Brownshirts.

rbj on May 2, 2013 at 9:52 AM

As several commenters have already mentioned, you just don’t see this happening in Texas.

bitsy on May 2, 2013 at 9:59 AM

Hope and change baby, hope and change.

can_con on May 2, 2013 at 9:59 AM

If liberals ever get what they want they won’t like it very much.

darwin on May 2, 2013 at 8:30 AM

Sure they will, because they will be the privileged ruling elite. It’s the rest of us that won’t like it very much.

Everywhere communism has been tried, they ended up not with a ‘classless’ society, but with a privileged ruling elite that lived like royalty of old, and all the rest in misery.

Even Alinsky taught that, -to continue ‘the shtruggle’, but to take good care of yourself in the process. That excuses the corruption that follows.

slickwillie2001 on May 2, 2013 at 10:08 AM

This is hard to watch because I lived in Seattle when it wasn’t the sewer it’s become. It was a nice, friendly, beautiful city. It was turning into “California with Bad Weather” in 1992 when I left, but now it is not even recognizable.

God Bless Texas.

tru2tx on May 2, 2013 at 10:20 AM

You could end this crap overnight. Just arm each business owner with a Remington 870 and rock-salt rounds. Pretty hard “to stick it to the man” when you’re picking rock salt from your rear end.

GarandFan on May 2, 2013 at 10:23 AM

I remember the days when the American press’ only mention of May Day all year was the parades in Red Square.

Now all of a sudden it’s a thing?

Difficultas_Est_Imperium on May 2, 2013 at 10:28 AM

lashing out at authority while simultaneously demanding more of it.

Gatsu on May 2, 2013 at 8:28 AM

I’m going to disagree, slightly. They don’t think they are asking for more government. They want less government (restrictions on their behavior) while wanting more government (rules that force other people to support them – ideologically or financially or emotionally). They are certainly too intelectually lazy to comprehend the inherent contradiction in that.

while my Texas city annually pulls off a huge 9 day fiesta with no problems.

juliesa on May 2, 2013 at 9:14 AM

Because you are celebrating something. They are hating something. They may or may not know what it is they hate (other people not pampering them), but they hate.

GWB on May 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Being surrounded by shouting thugs armed with silly string: “mostly peaceful.”

PattyJ on May 2, 2013 at 10:52 AM

Denver’s future.

tommer74 on May 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM

Here is another important area of divergence between conservative philosophy and modern libertarians – My police force would deputize and arm the necessary number of solid citizens and beat the living snot out of these worthless anarchist buttfu**ers.

Jaibones on May 2, 2013 at 11:21 AM

Smart power.

Dopenstrange on May 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM

If liberals get what they want, every day will be May Day like in Seattle.

And they’ll still call it ‘peaceful’.

Liam on May 2, 2013 at 8:11 AM

Liberals are getting what they want: Obama, ObamaCare, unrestrained abortion, gay marriage, amnesty for illegals, welfare for anybody. Where have you been lately?

HiJack on May 2, 2013 at 11:32 AM

GWB on May 2, 2013 at 10:38 AM

Yeah I think that captures the mindset pretty well.

Often I think of that scene in “This is Spinal Tap” when Nigel Tufnel, after being asked why even have an “11″ setting on their speakers when they could just make 10 the loudest stares blankly and repeats “these go to 11″

Gatsu on May 2, 2013 at 11:50 AM

As several commenters have already mentioned, you just don’t see this happening in Texas.

bitsy on May 2, 2013 at 9:59 AM

I’ve been here in Texas over a year and a half now. About 3 months in a saw a guy panhandling at a stop sign in Tyler. I thought, “Aha. So it does happen out here, too.” You saw it every day all over out in California.

Now, after all this time, that has been the only panhandler I’ve seen. One guy in a year and a half.

trigon on May 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM

On the bright side, overtime pay for police is more cash in the local economy!!!

/s

Marcola on May 2, 2013 at 12:06 PM

Old and Busted: Move in with APCs and paddy wagons.

New Hotness: Circle the… bicycles???

Old and Busted: Officers in full riot gear, backed up by nearby SWAT.

New Hotness: Officers in… bicycle shorts???

Left Seattle behind 13 years ago… not going back.

Marcola on May 2, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Jaibones on May 2, 2013 at 11:21 AM

And this libertarian would join you.

John the Libertarian on May 2, 2013 at 1:40 PM

Dick Durbin felt obliged to speak at Chicago’s May Day celebration with the rest of the commies.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/02/Exclusive-Senator-Durbin-Defends-Rallying-with-Communists-and-Anarchists

onlineanalyst on May 2, 2013 at 2:00 PM

When the police finally started arresting everyone who disturbed the peace rather than wait for real trouble to begin — hundreds of people ended up cooling their heels in jail — the riots ended within two years. Troublemakers went elsewhere.

There is always this.

BobMbx on May 2, 2013 at 2:52 PM