What happens when a Great Debater loses a lesser debate?

posted at 8:40 am on January 24, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Call this the Battle of Dueling Disclosures. Newt Gingrich made a lot of political hay in South Carolina by demanding that Mitt Romney release his tax returns, getting Romney to trip up twice in debates last week on the topic. When Romney finally decided to release his tax returns, he issued a demand that Gingrich release his contract with Freddie Mac, which Gingrich promptly did. Who got the better of that exchange? Last night, it was clearly Romney:

Gingrich has claimed for months that he did no lobbying for Freddie Mac, but as the contract made clear, Gingrich didn’t report to the History Department at the GSE:

GOP candidate Newt Gingrich, who has said he never lobbied on behalf of his consulting clients, reported to a top lobbyist with Freddie Mac as part of a $25,000-a-month contract,according to records released late Monday.

The one-year contract overseen by Freddie Mac executive Craig Thomas represents only a portion of the former House speaker’s long relationship with the mortgage giant, which spanned eight years and resulted in at least $1.6 million in fees for Gingrich’s empire.

A chief lobbyist at Freddie Mac isn’t going to pay $25,000 a month for history lessons.  Romney took this point and repeatedly hammered Gingrich with it, as well as with the revolts by House Republicans in 1997 and 1998 that ended up pushing Gingrich out of the Speakership and into the private sector.  Gingrich reacted by claiming that he wouldn’t spend time refuting Romney’s “falsehoods” point by point, but spent plenty of time calling Romney’s attacks “false” … and promised to respond on a website later.  Meanwhile, Romney’s tax returns turned out to be straightforward affairs, with a 15% tax rate on his capital gains, showing that Romney paid $3 million in taxes and donated almost the same amount to charity as well.

Romney won this debate rather handily, although it wasn’t a terribly entertaining affair.  All of that took place in the first 30 minutes, and what followed was more of a roundtable than a debate.  There were few intriguing moments, mostly because this was the 19th debate and almost everything else was a rehash.  Rick Santorum had the only real notable moment after this, which came at the very end — and which in a more rational cycle might have been a game-changer.

Some complained about the lack of audience participation, specifically the admonition by NBC to not applaud or cheer.  I actually liked that approach.  These debates are too much like game shows as it is; we shouldn’t weigh candidates by their applause or cheers.  The quiet definitely seemed to take the wind out of Gingrich’s sails more than the other candidates.  The real problem with the debate was the questions.  NBC’s Brian Williams basically asked the same questions we’ve already heard ad infinitum in these debates, or else focused on attack themes from the campaigns in an attempt to generate some drama.  It was no coincidence that the debate got dull after that section of the questioning.

Williams may have been dull and unoriginal (perhaps necessarily so after 19 debates), but his Florida media partners on stage made him look brilliant in comparison.  Questions about Terri Schiavo took up five minutes of debate, which was last an issue in 2005.  What, no Elian Gonzales questions?  In an economy where millions can’t find work and Florida is almost in double digit unemployment, we got a question about whether the Everglades would continue to get federal pork.  It was an entire section of non-sequiturs.

Gingrich’s poor performance raises this question: if Romney can outbox him over his Freddie Mac contract and win a debate, what does that do for Gingrich’s claim that he can win the Presidency by outdebating Barack Obama and the entire national media?  It would not surprise me to see Florida voters rethinking that premise somewhat this morning, especially since Gingrich lost this debate by walking into his own disclosure trap.


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Newt without applause is like Sampson without his hair…

djl130 on January 24, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Williams controlling the audience set the tone. It was the coma debate. Even the morning show highlights were boring.

Fletch54 on January 24, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Really, the media lost this debate. What you say in that last couple of senetnces should be hitting them like a hammer: it’s THEM who think crap like the Everglades matters to voters in Florida, when a million of them are out of work and alomst everyone in the state is underwater on their mortgage.

rockmom on January 24, 2012 at 8:46 AM

Newt was clearly off balance as his name dropping, history lessons, and attempts at throwing red meat fell flat. A few times in that exchange with Romney he had that busted guilty look on his face – you know, like the kid in high school that got busted for sleeping with his teacher.

gatorboy on January 24, 2012 at 8:47 AM

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (just like the debate)!

Pragmatic on January 24, 2012 at 8:47 AM

Go Newt!

Pragmatic on January 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I turned it off before it was over and went to bed. I feel like I’ve arrived at a wedding buffet the day after and there’s a little piece of roastbeef covered in fat, a half eaten roll, and some sort of discolored h’ordeuvre to choose from. Yummy.

Marcus on January 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM

That exchange was bizarre on Newt’s part. It devolved into him defending GSEs and supporting Medicare. He rambled. Romney found one of Newt’s soft spots by forcing Nootie to defend taking taxpayer money for “consulting” to Fannie and Freddie. Newt tried to launch a lame Bain attack, which flopped. The failed Bain attack was irrelevant to the subject; Bain uses private capital. I don’t want to see Newt’s contract; I want to see his work products, as Romney requested.

Philly on January 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Neutering the audience gives the advantage to the most boring participants. If Ronmey ‘won’, that would be why.

lm10001 on January 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Gingrich’s poor performance raises this question: if Romney can outbox him over his Freddie Mac contract and win a debate, what does that do for Gingrich’s claim that he can win the Presidency by outdebating Barack Obama and the entire national media?

And we only have one of those Freddie Mac contracts, the rest have turned up missing which leads to more speculation than it vindicates Gingrich’s claim that he was a consultant or historian or whatever. Bottom line, Gingrich may have not been influence peddling as Romney claims but there is pretty good circumstantial evidence that he was indeed acting as an unregistered lobbyist and that is a pretty big deal.

Happy Nomad on January 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM

The Second Coming of Newt™ will soon be followed by the second collapse of Newt.

Gingrich is a fast talking con man who is finally being exposed.

NickDeringer on January 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Romney stopped looking presidential last night which is what blew me away. :-(

Punchenko on January 24, 2012 at 8:49 AM

Really, the media lost this debate. What you say in that last couple of senetnces should be hitting them like a hammer: it’s THEM who think crap like the Everglades matters to voters in Florida, when a million of them are out of work and alomst everyone in the state is underwater on their mortgage.

rockmom on January 24, 2012 at 8:46 AM

The Everglads IS inportant. It is th main water supply. Those houses would not be underwater, they’d be worthless.

katy the mean old lady on January 24, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Romney won this debate rather handily

Did you watch it, or just that clip?

“self deportation”?

FM income relevant but not Bain? (crowd laughed)

Conservatism = getting his wife pregnant ?

no more taxes released unlike his dad in 1968? (so as to avoid 2008 when Bain profited from the collapse)

endless stammering and fast talking?

Sorry, Ed. Romney looked childish. Or, better yet, what minds will be changed FOR Romney?

And– if newt resigned in disgrace from his own party, how would he have any influence left to peddle???

pamplonajack on January 24, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Go Newt!

Pragmatic on January 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Yes Newt, please go. You too Mitt. I’m hoping against hope that we have another option by the time of the convention.

Happy Nomad on January 24, 2012 at 8:51 AM

The debate confirmed my suspicions.

That Newt isn’t a good debator, its just he’s been throwing red meat to a dumb audience who gives him support.

This is how an Obama Newt debate would look like, Newt would be destroyed without a friendly house backing him.

nonpartisan on January 24, 2012 at 8:52 AM

I disagree that Romney won the debate. Newt looked much more likable and user-friendly. Mitt lacks the common touch…and this was very much on display last night.

northeastgirl on January 24, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Newt without applause is like Sampson without his hair…

djl130 on January 24, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Speaking of hair. What was the deal with Newt’s Dorothy Hammil hair-do?

tpw on January 24, 2012 at 8:52 AM

It was a snorefest

Flapjackmaka on January 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM

Gingrich is now on the defensive. I can’t believe he is still using the ‘historian’ angle with Freddie Mac.

I think Romney was all over the place last night, and his attacks were not that effective…except for the fact that Gingrich talked himself into this mess. I don’t think Romney won the debate, so much as Gingrich didn’t win.

Gingrich is now the one that will have to answer questions for the remainder of the week. Do we really believe he was a lobbyist in every manner other than the name? Does anyone really believe this? If he was honest about it, wouldn’t bother me much at all. But his twisting in the wind on the issue is worrisome.

neoavatara on January 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM

The audience shouldn’t be hooting an hollering at a debate – too much like American Idol. I don’t even like the podiums at this point. With only 4 candidates, sit them down and discuss.

GeorgieGirl9 on January 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM

“self deportation”?

Ha, I lasted long enough to catch that part.

Marcus on January 24, 2012 at 8:53 AM

If you think Romney won that, then we really are in trouble, more so than I thought. It was a snooze fest all around with NO winners but with Santy as a loser again. That’s too bad too because I want to like him, just like Paul. Although I’d vote for Paul before I would Romney and if you knew what I thought of Ron Paul over the years, that’s saying something.

noneoftheabove on January 24, 2012 at 8:54 AM

This is how an Obama Newt debate would look like, Newt would be destroyed without a friendly house backing him.

nonpartisan on January 24, 2012 at 8:52 AM

Add to this the fact that the audience in the presidential debates do not allow audience participation, a fact selectively ignored by the Newtonians.

gatorboy on January 24, 2012 at 8:54 AM

Breaking News…from BendOver BackWards News(BBN)

Newsflash:
**********

Newty drops Mojo,

Mittens picks up Mojo,

verbal fight unsues,detalis on Page 1!
(sarc)

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 8:54 AM

I turned it off before it was over and went to bed. I feel like I’ve arrived at a wedding buffet the day after and there’s a little piece of roastbeef covered in fat, a half eaten roll, and some sort of discolored h’ordeuvre to choose from. Yummy.

Marcus on January 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM

Ewwwwwwww nice visual there.

I couldn’t get into either. Like I said last night – I think I have politics burnout.

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Newt got smoked on this one.

rollthedice on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Speaking of hair. What was the deal with Newt’s Dorothy Hammil hair-do?

tpw on January 24, 2012 at 8:52 AM

What is with the hang-up on hair? Is that how we lct our leaders now? Boy, Eisenhower would have bn scrued.

katy the mean old lady on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

The media did all the neutering. What do you think will happen in the fall? Do you think the questions will be on the economy….stupid?

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

showing that Romney paid $3 million in taxes and donated almost the same amount to charity as well.

That means Romney is far more charitable as well. I believe Gingrich didn’t even get to 3%.

Zaggs on January 24, 2012 at 8:56 AM

gatorboy on January 24, 2012 at 8:54 AM

The Newtron is powered by the applause he gets when he throws red meats at willing audiences. Without that, he’s powerless and, furthermore, without something to distract folks from his idiocies and all around terrible record.

WealthofNations on January 24, 2012 at 8:56 AM

This is how an Obama Newt debate would look like

Well, this is what a Romney Obama debate would look like:

“self deportation”

Marcus on January 24, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Gingrich didn’t report to the History Department at the GSE:

Is there a History Dept.? I always figured that Newt gave them information on how to interact with Members and staff on the Hill, that would be considered his area of expertise. Sorry, I just don’t get the outrage. I don’t see much difference in this and when Bain goes in to help and the company still fails. If someone can show me that he authored legislation for Freddie that ripped off the taxpayer, I’m all ears.

Cindy Munford on January 24, 2012 at 8:57 AM

I thought Newt was going to blow a gasket when told that yeah, he was influence peddling. But hey, lete’s nominate him anyway because he told the media off. That’s the ticket.

And I appreciated the audience control, as well. These aren’t supposed to be pep rallies.

changer1701 on January 24, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Williams may have been dull and unoriginal (perhaps necessarily so after 19 debates), but his Florida media partners on stage made him look brilliant in comparison. Questions about Terri Schiavo took up five minutes of debate, which was last an issue in 2005. What, no Elian Gonzales questions? In an economy where millions can’t find work and Florida is almost in double digit unemployment, we got a question about whether the Everglades would continue to get federal pork. It was an entire section of non-sequiturs.

Right Scoop @trscoop
From ABC we get 15 minutes on condoms. From NBC we get 15 minutes on Terry Shiavo & Do Not Resuscitate. But no Fast and Furious from either

Flora Duh on January 24, 2012 at 8:58 AM

CAIR’s against Newt.
That’s all I need to know…..

thedevilinside on January 24, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Neutering the audience gives the advantage to the most boring participants. If Ronmey ‘won’, that would be why.

lm10001 on January 24, 2012 at 8:48 AM

I’m not ADD but I kept thinking of funny games that they could play or maybe what music should be playing in the background. It was so quiet, I could not concentrate on what was being said, if that makes sense. When you take all the energy out of the room, well, you get a void, er, Mitt.

Fallon on January 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM

I dying for someone in these debates to ask Newt if he still considers himself a ‘Realpolitik Wilsonian’.

Taco Bob on January 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Meh, the only real loser last night was NBC for hosting a snore fest. Romney landed blows but no memorable moments. In fact if there’s one line that was memorable it belonged to Newt when said that death row inmates get more consideration than Terry Schiavo. No major pieces were moved last night.

eaglephin on January 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Progressives duel…….

America loses.

PappyD61 on January 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

gopher per last night-(tell Harry you are not going to Vegas…until he gets the budget off his desk. No Nevada for me until that goof is gone!)Over 1000 days! Next media question!

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM

Santorum won the debate. Thought Romney came across as desperate. Newt toning down his grandiosity probably help make that impression.

However it was a very boring debate, probably mant tuned out early.

Norwegian on January 24, 2012 at 9:00 AM

What happens when there are so many stupid debates that the entire race has descended into farce?

Good Lt on January 24, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Hopefully Newt will lose the next debate to, than we will know what the voters are looking at.

Cindy Munford on January 24, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Newt was deflated by Romney last night. Romney took Newt’s role as protagonist in chief.

ObamatheMessiah on January 24, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Cindy Munford on January 24, 2012 at 8:57 AM

Wow, just, just wow.

That’s exactly what lobbying is. It’s getting a private (or, more insultingly in this case, a public/private Government Enterprise) entity information or tactics to be able to manipulate Congressmen into supporting them. Personal interaction isn’t the end-all be-all of lobbying, as the extensive nature of Lobbying Departments show.

With Bain Capitol it was a private institution consulting a private institution on how to better run itself and be profitable. With Gingrich and Freddie Mac, it was a Government Enterprise asking a former Congressman how best to manipulate the political process so that it could keep earning favors, money and back-up from the Federal government.

That’s the difference, and the fact that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were flawed institution that Conservatives were trying to reform precisely because they were using government influence and taxpayer money to manipulate the housing market to their own private gain, and that Newt Gingrich, a so called Conservative, would actually give them advice as to how to manipulate the Congress Critters into supporting them, is where the outrage comes from.

WealthofNations on January 24, 2012 at 9:01 AM

When Newt wasn’t being evasive last night, he was flat-out lying. His “check my website in the morning” answer was the most pathetic moment of any debate. Romney (with the help of Ron Paul) exposed Newt for what he is – a liar who can’t debate his way out of a paper bag.

JA on January 24, 2012 at 9:01 AM

Grill each other… hone the message. Obama will attempt to do far worse.

Newt without applause is like Sampson without his hair…

djl130 on January 24, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Funny comment :)

beatcanvas on January 24, 2012 at 9:01 AM

All that practice and Newt’s still not a very good liar.

EddieC on January 24, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Pretty weird that anyone would say that Romney won…he came off as petty and irrelevant and as someone who would have no idea on how to debate issues with Obama…

Right now Romney is only relevant for as long as he continues to support Obama’s campaign… Romney needs to go home and let the real candidate, Newt, get to fighting Obama

georgealbert on January 24, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Nonpartisan above is correct. The studio silence is exactly what will transpire in the fall presidential debates. Frankly, I liked it better; it was more presidential; this is not “The Price Is Right.”

In the fall campaign there will be at most 2 presidential debates that Obama will agree to; Newt’s admonition that he will crush Obama in 7 debates is a joke and would be a one-day media story.

Romney won the debate.

matthew8787 on January 24, 2012 at 9:03 AM

Perception is what judges Winning and losing a debate.

I had no perception that Romney’s repeat of false memes allowing for no responses to interrupt his judgemental tirade won Romney anything.

It was a non event, because the Moderator carefully kept the questions at a kindergarten level. While New Newt carefully kept from appearing mean in front of a senior citizen filled electorate…except for that one slip when Old Newt said Castro will go to hell.

And Romney is the one behind because he is now seen as the un-electable one. And this non-event boring evening did nothing to change that.

jimw on January 24, 2012 at 9:03 AM

This is one of the many problems I have with Newt. He worked for Freddie, and he lied about the nature of the work. Not that Gov. Romneycare is much better, though.

juliesa on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I always figured that Newt gave them information on how to interact with Members and staff on the Hill, that would be considered his area of expertise

Cindy Munford on January 24, 2012 at 8:57 AM

It’s called peddling influence.. profiting off of his connections in DC.. Newt calls it ‘history lessons’, the voters will decide if they are comfortable with this level of coziness on the part of former legislators.

gatorboy on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

And I appreciated the audience control, as well. These aren’t supposed to be pep rallies.

changer1701 on January 24, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Watch how the lamestreams stack the deck in Obama’s favor during the national debates. Let’s see how much audience control there is then.

Christian Conservative on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Perfect dj

I wished the candidates simply refuse those 2005 questions or come back with seriously? This is your question

cmsinaz on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Me thinks,if GOP Infighting continues,the Left are having a ball,
painting the nominee’s with various political narrations!!

Ugharoo!

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I disagree that Romney won the debate. Newt looked much more likable and user-friendly. Mitt lacks the common touch…and this was very much on display last night.

northeastgirl on January 24, 2012 at 8:52 AM

He looked like George H.W. Bush with the hand in the pocket and angry squinting. :-(

Punchenko on January 24, 2012 at 9:05 AM

gopher per last night-(tell Harry you are not going to Vegas…until he gets the budget off his desk. No Nevada for me until that goof is gone!)Over 1000 days! Next media question!

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM

LOL – I go to Vegas because Obama told us not to. I tell people that everytime I go. You would be surprised how many people laugh and say “thank you” when I tell them why I’m there.

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM

Like I said last night – I think I have politics burnout.

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

Yep. I know just what you mean…

OmahaConservative on January 24, 2012 at 9:07 AM

I wished the candidates simply refuse those 2005 questions or come back with seriously? This is your question

cmsinaz on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

cmsinaz:Yup,so far the left have defined….

Mittens as Filthy Rich,”Vulture Capitalist”,

and,

Newt as a Liar,”Influence Peddlar”!!!!:)

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:07 AM

All that practice and Newt’s still not a very good liar.

EddieC on January 24, 2012 at 9:02 AM

Heh. No kidding. Even Ron Paul took him to task on the suggestion that he just left the House on his on accord. I thought that exchange was pretty bad for Newt…you have a guy who came back to Congress during his Speakership and talking about how chaotic it was? Blows that whole leadership thing out of the water.

changer1701 on January 24, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Some complained about the lack of audience participation, specifically the admonition by NBC to not applaud or cheer. I actually liked that approach. These debates are too much like game shows as it is; we shouldn’t weigh candidates by their applause or cheers.

Yep.

Romney’s attack on Newt was literally withering. And those of you who shriek about George Bush because of his Prescription Drug ‘entitlement’ (Medicare Part B) should remember that this was pushed by Newt and his Center for Health Transformation. Now I happen to think this is a good thing and have never joined you all in your outrageous outrage over this issue, but if you want to be consistent you should be equally outraged over Newt’s role. Knowing the extent to which many “true conservative/Tea Party” commenters are willing to twist themselves into knots, I expect to hear crickets chirping.

And may I say how pathetic it was when Newt indignantly tried to attack Brian Williams for asking a perfectly reasonable question? Gingrich looked ridiculous…

Buy Danish on January 24, 2012 at 9:08 AM

The “I’m not a lobbyist, I’m a public servant” garbage is exactly the same kind of lawyered up, not-true-by-technicality defense you hear from Obama whenever he’s caught lying about something.

EddieC on January 24, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Is there a History Dept.? I always figured that Newt gave them information on how to interact with Members and staff on the Hill, that would be considered his area of expertise. Sorry, I just don’t get the outrage. I don’t see much difference in this and when Bain goes in to help and the company still fails. If someone can show me that he authored legislation for Freddie that ripped off the taxpayer, I’m all ears.

Cindy Munford on January 24, 2012 at 8:57 AM

And I would suggest that Governor Romney hardly has the high-road here.

Mitt Romney invested in Fannie, Freddie, report discloses

By Stephen Braun and Jack Gillum Associated Press

Published: Tuesday, Jan. 24 2012 12:07 a.m. MST

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has criticized rival Newt Gingrich for earning more than $1.6 million in consulting fees from Freddie Mac even though he had invested as much as $500,000 in the U.S.-backed lender and its sister entity, Fannie Mae.

Romney’s latest financial disclosure report listed several investments in the mortgage giants that he, Gingrich and other GOP critics have repeatedly singled out as prime villains in the housing crisis that played a central role in the nation’s long and deep recession.

Both Governor Romney and Speaker Gingrich are letting the media play them like a fiddle by keeping the focus on Romney’s tax-returns and Gingrich’s Freddie Mac connection.

Now that both have been released hopefully after another 24 hour news cycle we can all get back to what’s most important – Obama and his failed policies.

Flora Duh on January 24, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Listen Mitt!

Newt’s either a failed leader or an influence peddler!

But you can’t have it both ways!!!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 24, 2012 at 9:09 AM

And– if newt resigned in disgrace from his own party, how would he have any influence left to peddle???

pamplonajack on January 24, 2012 at 8:50 AM

Who said he had any influence? And where have you been for the last 10 years?

rich801 on January 24, 2012 at 9:09 AM

Don’t agree with Ed on his take of the debate. Romney’s thin veneer of conservatism was stripped away last night on the qeustion of what he has done to further conservatism. He gave one of the most pathetic answers I’ve ever heard. I think it went something like: I had a family, I got a job, I was a governor . . WOW.

All in all, although Newt dappled in some non-conservative things since he left government, there is no doubt that when he was in office he fought for conservative causes. I’d put Newt’s conservative record up against Romney’s ANY DAY.

KickandSwimMom on January 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Didn’t watch the debate, but have now read several accounts about it. I agree with datechguyblog that Ed Morrissey should moderate the next debate.

GeorgiaBuckeye on January 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM

Apparently having so many debates has become boring. Bread and circuses for the mob! And toning down the mob is (wait for it) a RINO/Establishment trick. Oh yes, these aren’t the drones you’re looking for. But I have to agree, I’m really not interested in watching 20 plus debates on the same subjects or listening to more pomposity. Didn’t we learn a thing by watching Obama run to his teleprompter on a daily basis? Apparently not.

rhombus on January 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM

GeorgiaBuckeye on January 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I couldn’t get into either. Like I said last night – I think I have politics burnout.

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

gophergirl:Its called,”Too much Information OverLoad”.
You’ll need R@R,i normally take a week off
every few months!:)

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Romney definitely got the better of Newt in this exchange, but Newt showed great discipline in keeping his cool throughout. Romney is very short-tempered despite his robotic rep and boy was he feral last night. ’28 Days Later’ rage virus feral. Holy sheet. He really wants this. God help us all.

RepubChica on January 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM

My link is not showing up. :(

GeorgiaBuckeye on January 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM

Watch how the lamestreams stack the deck in Obama’s favor during the national debates. Let’s see how much audience control there is then.

Christian Conservative on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

I don’t remember much, if any, audience participation during the presidential debates of ’08. Regardless, hope they limit it during those, too. Debates shouldn’t sound like game shows.

changer1701 on January 24, 2012 at 9:12 AM

I don’t think Mitt won. I think they all lost.

tinkerthinker on January 24, 2012 at 9:12 AM

I don’t think Mitt won. I think they all lost.

tinkerthinker on January 24, 2012 at 9:12 AM

I think small government conservatism lost…a long time ago.

EddieC on January 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM

I’m hoping to get a vacation in the beginning of March. No news, no politics, no nothing.

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM

Listen Mitt!

Newt’s either a failed leader or an influence peddler!

But you can’t have it both ways!!!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 24, 2012 at 9:09 AM

This could only be true in a black and white world.

rhombus on January 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM

What happens when a Great Debater loses a lesser debate?

An Angel gets his wings?

catmman on January 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM

From the QOTD thread
———————–

JonBGood:

Refusing the Lib moderated Debate,yes.So far,the Left have been
causing damage,by pitting nominees against each other!

And then,after the debates,the op-ed pieces,and talking shows
use whatever is said,twisting/twirling there words!

And,its only damaging the GOP,and its message!!

I cannot understand what the GOP/RNC is thinking with
the Lefty debate Formats!!

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 6:59 AM

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 9:06 AM

The GOP handed Prince Harry a pass. If they had run a cipher like Mitt he would be home watching his trees by now.

I can sure live with Newt but anyone who is crazy about her should be forced to debate Ann Coulter. She was on several Fox shows last night. The best was Red Eye. Too bad folks don’t get to enjoy her great humor more often.

IlikedAUH2O on January 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Williams may have been dull and unoriginal (perhaps necessarily so after 19 debates), but his Florida media partners on stage made him look brilliant in comparison. Questions about Terri Schiavo took up five minutes of debate, which was last an issue in 2005. What, no Elian Gonzales questions? In an economy where millions can’t find work and Florida is almost in double digit unemployment, we got a question about whether the Everglades would continue to get federal pork. It was an entire section of non-sequiturs.
Right Scoop @trscoop
From ABC we get 15 minutes on condoms. From NBC we get 15 minutes on Terry Shiavo & Do Not Resuscitate. But no Fast and Furious from either
Flora Duh on January 24, 2012 at 8:58 AM

Thank goodness I don’t have anything heavy within reach when these questions are put to the candidates….I’d have no TV monitors!

KOOLAID2 on January 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM

I’d like to see Newt defend this:

Gingrich’s fundraising and spending practices at American Solutions drew criticism from government ethics groups, including the practice of calling potential donors under the pretext of conducting a poll. He would send out a mass mailing to small business owners and offer to name them “entrepreneur of the year” — for the fee of $5,000, according to the Washington Post.

As I said yesterday, this is “Vulture Capitalism” writ large.

CC: Sarah Palin.

Buy Danish on January 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Don’t worry, Newt is friends with all the conservative media outlets, so they will cover for him today. They are trying to anoint one of their own, a true Bloviator in Chief.

You can be an influence peddler and a failed leader, to answer those above here, First you resign in disgrace, and then you need a high paying job to support your mistress in the style she has been accustomed to, and the only thing you know how to do is enter the revolving door in Washington.

I liked the format of the debate last night, because it has been unfair to the other candidates to have Newt whip up the frenzy of the audience, and then call that unrepresentative group, the response of the American People. The audience is not a sample. When a few people hooted at Mitt from the audience to release his taxes, that furor was not in the heads of most Republican voters.

Fleuries on January 24, 2012 at 9:15 AM

What happens when a Great Debater loses a lesser debate?

An Angel gets his wings?

catmman on January 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM

catmann:Too funny,lol!

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:15 AM

The “I’m not a lobbyist, I’m a public servant” garbage is exactly the same kind of lawyered up, not-true-by-technicality defense you hear from Obama whenever he’s caught lying about something.

EddieC

There is a reason I call Newt the GOP’s Obama.

Zaggs on January 24, 2012 at 9:15 AM

Newt without applause is like Sampson without his hair…

djl130 on January 24, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Sampson got one last chance to the bring the house on the Philistines….On to Jacksonville debate on Thursday!

Gunslingergirl on January 24, 2012 at 9:16 AM

gatorboy on January 24, 2012 at 9:04 AM

Wake me when it’s illegal. Gov. Romney used his business expertise to help companies, Gingrich used his legislative expertise to help companies.

Cindy Munford on January 24, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Like I said last night – I think I have politics burnout.

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 8:55 AM

From @TheTweetOfGod – if your election cycle lasts more than four months seek immediate help

Mangy Scot on January 24, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Both Governor Romney and Speaker Gingrich are letting the media play them like a fiddle by keeping the focus on Romney’s tax-returns and Gingrich’s Freddie Mac connection.

Flora Duh on January 24, 2012 at 9:09 AM

No question about it. Rookie moves.

Kataklysmic on January 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

As I said yesterday, this is “Vulture Capitalism” writ large.

CC: Sarah Palin.

Buy Danish on January 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Heh. Not to worry, that was just a ‘rookie mistake’ on Newt’s part… /

changer1701 on January 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

gave them information on how to interact with Members and staff on the Hill,

Cindy Munford on January 24, 2012 at 8:57 AM

$25k a MONTH. Of tax payer money ultimately.

Meh, ur right no bigz.

freshface on January 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

In the end, it doesn’t matter hwat a single pundit or internet fanboy thinkgs. It matters what the people going to the polls think.

And with the mood that average Americans out here in the Heartland are in, they’re not going to allow anyone up in the NE corridor, especially the Beltway, tell them who to vote for.

Let’s see what happens with the polls.

kingsjester on January 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Buy Danish on January 24, 2012 at 9:14 AM

But but you need to read her quotes backwards and you will see the brilliant rovian strategy at play…. /sarc

Bradky on January 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:11 AM
I’m hoping to get a vacation in the beginning of March. No news, no politics, no nothing.

gophergirl on January 24, 2012 at 9:13 AM

gophergirl:Perfect,I wonder what AP or ED do for a political
time-out!?:)

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

Listen Mitt!

Newt’s either a failed leader or an influence peddler!

But you can’t have it both ways!!!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 24, 2012 at 9:09 AM

No, he was a failed leader BEFORE he was an influence peddler. It really isn’t that hard to figure out.

gatorboy on January 24, 2012 at 9:19 AM

:Perfect,I wonder what AP or ED do for a political
time-out!?:)

canopfor on January 24, 2012 at 9:17 AM

They don’t have that luxury like we do…

OmahaConservative on January 24, 2012 at 9:20 AM

Questions about Terri Schiavo took up five minutes of debate, which was last an issue in 2005. What, no Elian Gonzales questions?

I actually liked the Terri Schiavo question. It was unexpected, original and addressed an important constitutional principle (the question of a bill of attainder.) And at the time, republicans failed that test miserably.

Many of the questions surrounding the candidates date back further than 2005. I really don’t understand the complaint. And I really don’t understand all the carping about how dull and unoriginal it was and then immediately complaining about the only original question.

rogaineguy on January 24, 2012 at 9:20 AM

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