New Romney Florida ad: You don’t really want to nominate a disgraced Freddie Mac shill, do you?
posted at 5:00 pm on January 23, 2012 by Allahpundit
I understand why he’d want to hit Newt hard on Freddie in Florida, which has taken a beating from the housing downturn. What I don’t understand is what he’ll say when Newt reminds the world tonight that Mitt put more than $250,000 in mutual funds that invested in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, among other government entities. Romney will come prepared with some sort of spin, but I think details are almost meaningless to most voters with tu quoques like this, especially with a candidate like Mitt who’s already perceived as two-faced. (Why is a guy who’s famously worth nine figures calling on anyone to give back some of their earnings, anyway? Terrible optics.) The takeaway will be Newt telling Mitt that his hands are dirty too and therefore he’s in no position to judge, and that’ll be that.
Question: If, like me, you’re clinging to the vaporous hope of a late entrant and/or brokered convention, how should you be rooting in Florida? For Newt, right? If Romney holds off Gingrich there, he’s back on track for the nomination, even if the slog will be longer than he first expected. If Gingrich upsets Romney, establishment Republicans will wet themselves in terror at the thought of an allegedly unelectable candidate becoming the nominee and will scramble to head Newt off. Maybe that means pushing someone new into the race or maybe it means propping the two of them up in various ways so that delegates split three ways between them and Ron Paul and no one has a majority at the convention. The Mitch Daniels fans are pleading with him again to reconsider, which makes sense insofar as Newt’s rise seems to have neutralized character attacks in the race. (In Daniels’s case, any attacks would be aimed at his wife, not at him, which makes them even more unlikely.) The problem with Daniels as a late entrant, though, is that he too would be seen as an “establishment” candidate, perhaps even more so than Romney. He’s a Bush guy, after all, and would have plenty of wealthy donors behind him, which Gingrich would frame as an attempt by “insiders” to rig the election twice at the expense of grassroots conservatives after having failed to do it once with Romney. If establishment Republicans really want to stop Newtmentum, they’d need a candidate with grassroots cred to blunt Newt’s pushback. Jindal seems like the most obvious option to me: He’s a free agent now that Perry’s out of the race and he’s universally respected among grassroots conservatives. But could he win a three-way race with Romney and Gingrich (or, rather, a four-way race with Paul) at this point? Hard to imagine. I think it’s brokered convention or bust.
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robm on January 23, 2012 at 8:03 PM
I’ve never said anything about anything disqualifying someone for office. I was speaking purely from a doctrinal standpoint.
As for the rest, it’s not my interpretation, it’s historical Mormon interpretation. I have no idea what’s being taught in the churches now, but after discussing Mormon theology with Mormons for the past twenty years or so I find that many are quite ignorant of what their founders, past presidents and doctrinal books have tought in the past. i.e.:
And what this view of Jesus as a created being and not “very God of very God” precludes one from is claiming that they worship the Christian God. Muslims also believe in Jesus, they claim to honor Him and worship the same God that He did. But they are wrong.
Christians hammered these doctrines out centuries ago when they wrote the various creeds. In fact it was beliefs like some that the Mormon Church currently and historically teach that led to the necessity to develop those creeds. They are intentionally unambiguous and extraordinarally throuough for just that reason.
But, since Joseph Smith claims that in his very first vision when he asked God which “sect” he should join:
I wonder why the heck any Mormon would want to claim that he worships the same God as Christians. I also wonder how so many here can be so sensitive to any kind of criticism of their beliefs when the very beginning of their religion was God saying that every single Christian denomination’s creeds were “an abomination” and athat their “professors were all corrupt.” Heck, the very name “Latter Day Saints” implies that for quite a while there were no “Saints” (that is “true Christians”) until Mormonism came around.
But mostly it makes me wonder why, if all of modern Christianity’s creeds are “abominations,” then why has the Mormon church spend the last few decades attempting to align their doctrines with those of modern Christianity? If my doctines are corrupt and yours agree with mine, then aren’t yours corrupt too?
29Victor on January 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM
What “conspiracy theory” have I developed?
Fact: Gingrich the vulture capitalist cooked up a scheme to charge small biz folks $5000 to receive a bogus “Entrepreneur of the Year” award.
Fact: Gingrich frugged people
Fact: Gingrich’s “Think Tank” was a deadbeat tenant who owed back rent and was ordered by a judge to pay it along with an eviction notice.
Fact: Gingrich was a co-sponsor in 1987 of the Fairness Doctrine which his hero Reagan vetoed.
This doesn’t even begin to get into his attacks on Bill Clinton… which also goes in the “fact” category…
Buy Danish on January 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM
Some one should tell Ann Coulter (on ORielly) that her whining about Gingrich sounds like a Steven Tyler National Anthem.
WAAAAAAAA
Rovin on January 23, 2012 at 8:34 PM
BTW – term “natural born” was taken by the Founder and main writer of the Constitution, James Madison, from the tome, “The Law of Nations.”
Ever read it? No? I didn’t think so. Defines “natural born” as someone born on native soil to citizens of a particular country.
[Horace on January 23, 2012 at 7:44 PM]
Haven’t read “The Law of Nations.” I don’t know that what you describe as being the definition of natural born is contrary to what Blackstone defines. Here’s his commentary. According to Blackstone, in that commentary, (1765 and as such could be considered a refinement of Vattel’s 1758 treatise, at least, in the British view, of which we were a colony and, furthermore, would consider paramount wrt interpretation of common law)), sui soli or based solely on where you were born, was the long held view and both the issues of government emissaries, ie, children of ambassadors, and citizenship accrued from parental citizenship owing to such things as the ‘globalization of trade’ wherein children of subjects (NB, citizens) abroad were also subjects (NB, citizens) were parlimentarily legislated to extend/confer protections/allegiance the same as being born within the jurisdiction of the prince/king/country. One thing that ought to be noted is that at the time, jus soli was perpetual and could not be given up or renounced without the concurrence of the prince/king/country because it was natural and inherent.
Interestingly there was a case in Massachusetts in 1806 to do with voting wherein the question of citizenship, and allegiances were issues and background considerations the subject were discussed and those discussions mirrored Blackstone almost to a T.
So, jus soli is the primary factor and is a separate issue from citizenship of the parents. As regards jus sanquinis, it is always an extension of the category of the natural born condition of citizenship and not a withdrawal or constriction of the category, such as you suggest with looking to the citizenship of parents when the child is born right here in this country.
Bottom line, if you are born here you are a natural born citizen and nothing else matters. That, at least, is what the prevailing meaning of natural born at the time of the adoption of the Constitution.
Dusty on January 23, 2012 at 8:38 PM
Interesting question to ponder: who will the NRA endorse? Obama or Newt Gingrich? Considering their records on 2th Amendment issues, I don’t think an Obama endorsement is out of possibility:
http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/11/28/gun-owners-of-america-newt-aint-great-on-2nd-amendment-rights-broke-his-promise-to-america/
joana on January 23, 2012 at 8:40 PM
No, don’t stop him. I think I’m getting the hang of this. It’s fun.
V7_Sport on January 23, 2012 at 8:22 PM
29Victor on January 23, 2012 at 8:43 PM
I would guess that the establishment would be the people who pushed Romney as inevitable. Then again it could be the people who gave us such a weak field. Or it could be something else. This isnt something monolithic, hes just the focus point for alot of people with their own gripe, be it against the GOP, Romney, media or hell, some may even like him.
Whats to be gained depends on the person but thats not really the point. Thing is both the GOP and Romney need to think about the why because its what will be lost by not thinking about it.
Sultanofsham on January 23, 2012 at 8:44 PM
It was a joke ya goober.
Ahhhhh. Rombot desperation…it’s like ambrosia.
29Victor on January 23, 2012 at 8:45 PM
I’m not a Romney supporter and you’ll have to forgive me for not noticing what you said was a joke. It wasn’t funny so I assumed you were being serious.
alchemist19 on January 23, 2012 at 8:53 PM
Conservatives will not take lightly someone entering the fray at the last-minute without having to “earn” the nominations via old fashion campaigning.
The only exception I think that would work is for someone outside of politics–that the American people already know–who is almost “drafted” into throwing his/her name into the ring..ex. General David H. Petraeus.
Deep Timber on January 23, 2012 at 8:57 PM
ouch! sorry for assuming your support for Romney. I shall feed elsewhere.
29Victor on January 23, 2012 at 9:05 PM
My taxes paid for most of this investigation, so I think I have the right to excerpt as much of it as I want.
I dunno the source material really does not make it seem like there is any ethical violation at all. In fact, it looks like the entirety of his ethics charge was, he applied tax law appropriately as evidenced by the IRS finding there to be no merit to the idea that any of the parties were wrong in their use of the law but in the course of defending himself, his lawyer submitted in his name a document that was in error. Anyone at all ever see a legitimate carriage of justice where the person is railroaded through a 2 year long investigation for charges that had no merit and is later fined because their lawyer submitted something incorrect and there was no intention to deceive?
You know, lots of people go through these investigations in the country. Duke La Cross team rape charges come to mind. What I rarely ever see happen is that people are despicable enough to attack them after they have been found not guilty.
Remember that these charges were filed because Newt Gingrich was making an educational course about America to get the We The People back involved in politics. They were brought as payback for having ousted another Speaker of the House that really was ethically challenged in 1988. The charges were brought by the Democrats, and at the time of the charges, the Republicans were angry with Newt because he was working hard at the time to move power out of Washington and back into the hands of We the People at just the point in time that they finally had taken the Majority of the House of Representatives. They must have thought Contract with America was just a ploy to win elections and not meant to really be passed. Is there anything in the record since this ethics charge that shows that the Republican party has spent one minute trying to reduce the size of government or give any power back to the People?
Newt was the last Republican in office to have ever reduced the footprint of government on citizens backs. I wonder why establishment Republicans night want to stop you from voting for him. I say it is because they know that with him as president they will lose power!
NEWT 2012!
astonerii on January 23, 2012 at 9:15 PM
I was going to say, “The way I remember it….” but first rattle out of the box, Amjean said it better:
“Newt was “Palinized” before she was.”
And Republicans allowed/helped throw him under/off the bus. It happens far too often and I‘m tired of it. Besides Gingrich and Palin, Tom Delay comes to mind (did he actually turn out to have done anything wrong?) and Trent Lott, I know all he did was say something nice about an old man at a birthday party..
This spot and Chris Christie’s comments today just tick me off.
bertielou on January 23, 2012 at 9:19 PM
Neutron Newt is the Elmer Gantry of the 2012 GOP primary.
csdeven on January 23, 2012 at 9:19 PM
Did you ever confirm if God hangs his Jesus skin suit in the closet or folds it and puts in in his drawer?
csdeven on January 23, 2012 at 9:22 PM
Same God I guess because we are both talking about the one Jesus Christ. But, admittedly, a somewhat different understanding of who He is.
Yes, we believe the Nicene Creed is a confusing mix of various philosophies present several hundred years after the death of Christ, his apostles, and his church.
“Latter Day” Saints, as compared to the “Former Day” Saints (members of the church) at the time of Christ. Certainly not to say one must be a Mormon to be a Saint. I’ve seen many contradictions to that argument both from Mormons and non. :)
Not trying to “align” LDS doctrine with those of modern Christianity. Just saying, we think we love and follow the Savior, and find it therefore natural to call ourselves Christians.
There are, I believe, a great many doctrines and values that we do share. I think, also, those that most affect our day-to-day lives and how we should comport ourselves. We are much more similar than we are different.
29Victor on January 23, 2012 at 8:32 PM
robm on January 23, 2012 at 9:22 PM
The stayright type bigots always spam the Romney threads. He has no honor or shame and will continue until the wee hours of the morning.
csdeven on January 23, 2012 at 9:27 PM
I understood that the doctrine was decided through a series of give and take meetings of the different secs in order to establish text. There was no divine guidance only jealousy and deal making.
If a so-called Christian of the Nicene Creed ever accused me of not believing in the real Jesus, I’d split my sides laughing at his accusation! I cannot even imagine the amount of factual doctrine and true stories of his teachings that ended up on the scrap heap after that council. Good gravy! Can anyone really know if they are following true doctrine when it was mashed together like a pack of kids trading baseball cards?
csdeven on January 23, 2012 at 9:34 PM
I believe the most despicable comments regarding religion (specifically Christians) have come from your keyboard…every time Mitt loses, you lose it also. Any one so invested in a public figure probably should seek professional help, Mitt is not your lover, he is a public figure, with a professional marketing firm to create an image for people to see. I am sure he is a great guy, but it worries me about peoples obsession…it never ends right.
Reagan, Giffords, Monica Seles, the list is endless of “fans” that are obsessed…calm down honey, for your own mental health.
right2bright on January 23, 2012 at 9:43 PM
I do not like your stance, but I will say I feel badly that you are being attacked based on your religion.
astonerii on January 23, 2012 at 9:44 PM
The Creed(s) is a summary of beliefs, and it is accepted by the Christian Church as being that, a summary. There is no accusations, just a definition, a defining statement in a few words so one can discern between Christians and non-Christians….the irony is that any faith not adopting it, has never fully stated what part they do not accept…like many, gnash their teeth, but say nothing.
Any faith that does not buy into the basic summary is not, by definition, a Christian Church.
Yes there are things left out, like specifically Christians are mono-theists, that is not clearly stated.
Of course non-Christian would take issue with the different Creeds, it excludes them from being Christian.
But strange that most of them, historically attacked the Christian Church and demanded to be separate from them…only when it proved to be a good marketing ploy did they change their tune.
Hey, isn’t that what Mitt does? Change his stance depending on if he is trying to woo liberals or conservatives?
right2bright on January 23, 2012 at 9:50 PM
Yeah, she is a real gem…I don’t think you should feel so badly, she has attacked every Christian that has run for office.
right2bright on January 23, 2012 at 9:56 PM
First, Mormons are not Christian, they are Mormons. Why? The Book of Mormon-period. That is a theological fact no matter what Mormons want to sell you.
Second, Romney is who obama wants to run against. If you want to re-elect him, vote for Romney.
M_J_S on January 23, 2012 at 11:46 PM
This
Connie on January 24, 2012 at 12:02 AM
Hey! anonymous blogger who posted this — have you heard of a blind trust?? It seems you havent considering your thought that Romney shouldnt be criticizing Newt for loggying for Fannie and Freddie.
kmalkows on January 24, 2012 at 12:15 AM
Coulter knows what’s up.
netster007x on January 24, 2012 at 2:58 AM
I live in the Tampa area and every Romney PAC ad makes me want to do the opposite of what the ad says. Ad says Newt bad, I hear Vote for Newt.
My opinion of Mitt is he is more than a few zipper teeth short of being presidential.
meci on January 24, 2012 at 8:45 AM
The Gingrich Campaign began immediately after the debate to expose Romney’s lack of conservative credentials:
“You know, on one side, you had a true conservative. On the other side, you had someone masquerading as somebody that they were not,” Gingrich spokesman R.C. Hammond told reporters in the post-debate spin room. “So the people of Florida are very familiar with this story.” The story in 2010 ended, of course, with Crist bolting from the Republican party when it became apparent Rubio would trounce him. Crist lost to Rubio in the general election as an independent.
“I think here in Florida, all we have to do is remind people that Mitt Romney is Charlie Crist,”
THIS is language Florida voters understand.
The electorate of Florida is older, but wiser – but more than that – they are scared and angry.
They are looking for a champion and the establishment Republican Party has failed them by:
-failing to regulate Fanny/Freddy
-failing to corral and stop this administration’s brazen corruption, pillaging and spending, destructive policies and unconstitutional radicalism, the heavy handed attacks on their values, on churches, on the law and Constitution.
Barack Obama has waged war on America and they want it stopped. The establishment Republicans are not doing squat about it.
They don’t want a Christ, a McCain, or even a GW or Jeb Bush or Mitch Daniels (so don’t try it).
They don’t want anyone the RNC will haul out of their corrupt camp.
They want a champion, a fighter and someone who knows what is going on and will tell the truth about it.
St. Nikao on January 24, 2012 at 11:03 AM
PS – Florida conservative voters, probably more than any state in the US, know exactly who to blame for the Freddy/Fanny/Bank Mortgage scam.
And they know darned good and well it’s not Newt.
They weren’t born yesterday. These are retired CEOs, bankers, stock brokers, elected officials, government workers, etc.
They have read, researched, analyzed.
They know exactly who, what and why.
It’s ludicrous to try to fool them.
St. Nikao on January 24, 2012 at 11:12 AM
Oh, heck Gingrich was just the house historian for Freddie Mac. He was not doing any lobbying ……….. er, influence peddling.
SC.Charlie on January 24, 2012 at 11:38 AM
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