Salvo from South Carolina: Darn voters thinking for themselves again

posted at 7:40 pm on January 22, 2012 by J.E. Dyer

There are several explanations we’re likely to hear about the outcome in South Carolina on Saturday.  Most of them will involve the voters being silly and not knowing what’s good for them.  (I especially like the variant that says South Carolina voters went for Newt Gingrich – Newt Gingrich! – because they’re right next to Georgia.  Yeah, right.  Gingrich is Mr. New American South.)

If the voters weren’t silly, they would understand that it has to be Mitt Romney, because, well, primary voters were silly and picked Christine “I am not a witch” O’Donnell over Mike Castle in Delaware, not to mention running with that goofy Sharron Angle in Nevada, and look how that turned out.  You can’t get California and you probably can’t get New York, if you’re the GOP nominee.  But you have a good shot at Pennsylvania and Ohio, Michigan and maybe even Illinois, if you’re Mitt Romney.  Newt Gingrich?  Forget it.  Gingrich can’t even win Georgia.

And the truth is, this analysis isn’t necessarily wrong.  If I had to make a bet, I’d bet that a Newt Gingrich nominated to run for the GOP in November would implode on the campaign trail.  He’d still make a better president than Obama, but his “sticking it to the media” shtick in the debates would lose its luster when he faced Obama.  He comes across as easily annoyed; the feistiness that resonates with voter sentiment in the primaries would weather time and tides poorly.  As between an irritable Gingrich and a cool, scripted Obama, I would predict without hesitation that the latter’s jokes during a debate would come off better.  All things being equal, that is.

As with the O’Donnell-Castle primary outcome in 2010, however, it’s not the voters who are silly.  They know that all things aren’t equal in 2012.  The voters who put Gingrich over the top yesterday believe that we can’t keep going down the same political path in the United States – and that that holds for Republicans at least as much as for Democrats, if not more.  Their perception is that the GOP leadership is invested in the current path of government: that it doesn’t want change; it is not committed to restoring liberty and limited government, but instead is comfortable with the growth of regulatory intrusiveness, and seeks merely to broker pragmatic accommodations to leftist activism as a sort of rear-guard action.

Considering that the GOP has been doing this for most of the last 80 years, the voters aren’t wrong.  They aren’t wrong about Mitt Romney: his record of enthusiastic accommodations to the left is a set of rusty, clanking weights tethered to the back of the Mitt-mobile.  Gingrich and Santorum both have some ‘splainin’ to do as well, but Gingrich has specifically repudiated some of his earlier faux pas (such as the snuggle-up with Nancy Pelosi on combating “global warming”).  He also speaks trenchantly on the issues that exercise the most voters:  federal debt, health care regulation, regulation in general, government intervention in the economy, illegal immigration.

It does matter to primary voters, moreover, that Gingrich “takes it to” the media by rhetorically denouncing the questions posed in the GOP debates.  Voters on the right perceive the one-sided political attitude of the media to be a significant problem for American politics.  And while I don’t get as excited as others do about Gingrich’s little rhetorical broadsides in the debates –responding with broadsides isn’t, per se, a component of leadership – this is another thing the voters aren’t wrong about.  Media bias is a problem, not only in politics but for our public life in general.  People believe a lot of things that aren’t so today because of the particular narratives favored by the major media.  The perception of public assent generated by the media’s formulations produces an environment for government taking actions that jeopardize our liberties.

Many voters are determined not to be ruled by federal executive agencies whose agendas are approved by MSNBC and the New York Times.  These voters are voting for the candidate they deem most likely to reverse America’s slide into precisely that method of government.  That they see such a candidate in Newt Gingrich speaks more loudly about the general state of the GOP than about anything else.  Voters are seeking to break the inertia and conventionalism of the Republican Party; this is, in fact, a power struggle, and one in which I would not bet against the voters.

The famous salvo from South Carolina in April 1861 precipitated a shooting war under old conditions that no longer prevail.  The Union had all the material advantage in that war, as it had the moral advantage in being determined to preserve the national union while ending slavery.

But today’s South is no longer under such a disadvantage.  A political salvo from the South is a different portent now.  Likewise, the Republican Party doesn’t hold a Union-like advantage over its members, nor is there any valid reason for our federal government to hold such an advantage over a law-abiding people.  Today’s “rebel” GOP voters in South Carolina aren’t the slave-regime old guard, they’re the abolitionists.  We need not be deceived that wanting to reverse the encroachments of the federal government, and defeat the plantation mentality in Washington, is evidence of irresponsibility or lawlessness.  The truth is closer to the opposite.

The people have one tool – the vote – by which to express the sentiment that things have to change.  In 2008, Mitt Romney didn’t look all that different from George W. Bush.  The Obama tenure has been a wake-up call that has put Romney in a new perspective: in 2012, he doesn’t look as different from Barack Obama as conservative voters would prefer.  Obama is less an outlier than the end-gamer of the same big-government principles embraced by both major parties over the past 80 years.  We have now seen with our own eyes where those principles lead, and the voters don’t want to go there.  It’s not the voters who need to wise up; it’s the Republican Party.

J.E. Dyer’s articles have appeared at The Green Room, Commentary’s “contentions,Patheos, The Weekly Standard online, and her own blog, The Optimistic Conservative.

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Sant will be forced out as a loser instead of getting out gracefully like Perry.
Perry has class.
Sant has goofy sweater vests.
Get out you vain DB Sant!

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Geez, people, Mitt Romney! He is John McCain 2.0! How did that work out for us in 2008? Not well.
He would be an average candidate if he could just take a stance on one issue and not waver in the period of 18 months.

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM

And good riddance. A GOP run by the likes of McConnell, Graham, and Steele is useless anyway.

FadeToBolivia on January 22, 2012 at 8:00 PM

Steele is no longer RNC chairman. Do keep up.

troyriser_gopftw on January 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM

He’d still make a better president than Obama, but his “sticking it to the media” shtick in the debates would lose its luster when he faced Obama. He comes across as easily annoyed; the feistiness that resonates with voter sentiment in the primaries would weather time and tides poorly. As between an irritable Gingrich and a cool, scripted Obama, I would predict without hesitation that the latter’s jokes during a debate would come off better. All things being equal, that is.

Actually, I don’t know this is correct. His debates against Romney have largely been “the feisty guy vs. the scripted man.” It isn’t working out well for Romney.

I really cannot fathom why people are choosing Gingrich over Romney. Really, it makes zero sense. It is as if they had a major accident where the part of their brain that controls memory was damaged. That is the only explanation when forgetting Newt’s past.

ConservativeLaw on January 22, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Newt’s past in the 90s is actually looking pretty good compared to Romney’s governorship of Massachusetts. His accomplishments were generally positive. It’s not hard to do a compare and contrast between their records and come to the conclusion of who will do more to save the country from national bankruptcy.

I can’t see myself how any conservative would vote for Romney, except maybe hatred for Obama and a certainty that Romney will win. There simply is nothing in Romney’s record to indicate other than him being a liberal democrat. His policies are hard to distinguish from Obama. I hate Obama too, but it hasn’t caused me to take leave of my senses and go running to draft Hillary into the Republican Party just to get him out.

What comes after Obama matters.

And GOP idiots put Christine O’Donell on the ballot. Gee, that worked out well didn’t it?

You gave us a choice between a Democrat and a really terrible conservative candidate. Sorry, I don’t vote Democrat, even when they have the wrong letter by their name.

Furthermore, you guys went out of your way to support the Democrat when your guy lost the primary. As I’m sure you will do should Gingrich win.

Besides, you guys were the idiots who put Meg Whitman, Carly Fiorina, and Dino Rossi on their ballots. How’d that work out for you?

Doomberg on January 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Huck is right: The tax issue is a red herring.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:15 PM

Such a delicious one for the left. yummy

tinkerthinker on January 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Don’t blame Newt because Mitt sucks as a candidate.

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:26 PM

Second look at brokered convention?

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

He doesn’t have to go that far but he at least has to prove who his opponent really is and admit that the media is not his friend. At least Newt argues the premise of the medias questions, they aren’t looking for answers they are setting the narrative. It has to stop and if Romney wants to take that on I will gladly support him. So far, it appears that he does not.

Cindy Munford on January 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM

I honestly believe that people REALLY want to see someone who will just savage Obama. I have not always believed that, but you have to see what’s in front of your eyes. Newt orchestrated a 20 point swing in a week on the strength of anger, and has sharpened his anti-Obama message. People hate Obama, and don’t care about anything but destroying him.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Go Michelle!
Go Rick!
Go Herman!
Go Rick!
Go Newt!

Where’s the next bandwagon?

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

People who don’t like Newt tend to like Boehner, and vice-versa. ‘Nuff said.

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

How about if we just skip Romney and Gingrich all together? Although I would vote for either of these dirty GOP sewer rats over ‘enemy obama’, I would be far too embarrassed to support either publicly. Santorum is the only candidate of the current field whom I can proudly, and openly support. Santorum is not perfect, but he has many more positives, and much less dirty baggage than Newt or Mitt.

Pork-Chop on January 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Newt will lose about 45 states to Obama. Obama will win with the largest mandate in the history of US elections.

Newt has the highest unfavorables of any nominee, and thats before Obama’s machine has even started digging dirt on Newt.

Thanks, South Carolinians!

nonpartisan on January 22, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Anybody that thinks Newt or any of our candidates will lose 45 states to Obama is a fool. That’s like so stupid you shouldn’t be allolwed to drive stupid.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Right… people that would vote for Newt are idiots because Christine O’Donnell are the same. You couldn’t tell the difference between the two. Like twins, they are.

Good grief.

princetrumpet on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Wow, judging from the comments so far, the recent HotAir open registry really moved this site to the left.

People around here used to be pretty conservative.

Pattosensei on January 22, 2012 at 7:57 PM

It’s still fairly conservative here though after each registration cycle the formerly banned whacko Lefties lurking under new names have to go berserk enough to get banned again. Sometimes that takes a while.

viking01 on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

oh no….Newt said something mean and my FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS got hurt. wah wah wah wah f_ckin’ wah!

GhoulAid on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Well, the fit has hit the shan, and I believe that you will see Teams Romney and Santorum get nasty. And if they go nuclear on Newt’s character, it will be a gruesome mess. ‘Nuff said.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Lightweights! That is not their makeup and it will reflect poorly upon them when they try it. It takes more than a few hours of debate prep to pull off the ass beating newt lays down on the presstitutes and the WON!
These two amateurs poke the bear they will draw back a bloody stub, Mark my words.
Chicken Chit Mitt tried it with his Mini Me Michelle and his disgusting PACS in Iowa. Brillian!t he pissed newt off over a state with what 9 delegates that are unattached?
How did that work out. Newt was attacking only Obama and the press until Mitt pulled the Iowa crap!
Hows’ that bloody stump feeling toady Chicken Chit Mitt?

ConcealedKerry on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

haner on January 22, 2012 at 7:55 PM

We are 100% doomed with Romney, even if he wins.

You still don’t understand WHO he is.

KirknBurker on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I honestly believe that people REALLY want to see someone who will just savage Obama.
Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

I think you are exactly right.
I don’t think that’s a viable long term strategy for winning a general election, especially when it’s done by someone with so much baggage.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Correction – Right… people that would vote for Newt are idiots because Christine O’Donnell and Mr. Newt are the same. You couldn’t tell the difference between the two. Like twins, they are.

princetrumpet on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Go Michelle!
Go Rick!
Go Herman!
Go Rick!
Go Newt!

Where’s the next bandwagon?

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Newt is the real deal. Hop in, buckle your seat belt, and enjoy the victories. YES! GO NEWT GO! GO NEWT GO!

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Mitt needs a “I am paying for this microphone” moment…

d1carter on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Good article…there is no comparison between O’Donnell and Angle…both of whom were untested newcomers in way, way, way over their heads.

As between an irritable Gingrich and a cool, scripted Obama, I would predict without hesitation that the latter’s jokes during a debate would come off better

What you’re missing is that Obama is very good when he is scripted and McCain let him get away with the script…Newt has shown a propensity to rip up the script and if there’s one thing we’ve found with the One since he took office, it’s that once the teleprompter goes down and he has to get off script he’s like a deer in the headlights…once Newt or any other Republican flushes Obama from his comfort zone he’s toast.

ironmarshal on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

60% of the country has an unfavorable opinion of Newt. 60% of the country also have an unfavorable impression of Newt when he was speaker. He won’t win blue dog democrats or independants.

Why? They don’t like him. No that is a fact of life, and if you can’t grasp it, you’ve got some sort of learning disability.

rubberneck on January 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Yep. This is what these Newt fans don’t seem to grasp. He’s not winning over any of the middle, and like it or not you need some of those folks. All they’ll see is an old Washington guy who was basically drummed out of Congress and cheated on his wives while decrying Clinton for the same thing. They didn’t like him then, they don’t now, and they certainly won’t once all his baggage is brought to the forefront.

changer1701 on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Foodstamps or Paychecks???

NEWT!

GhoulAid on January 22, 2012 at 8:19 PM

There is no denying that. on balance, Newt had a good week despite the drama of a vindictive ex-spouse exploited by ABC. He had two good debate performances that set him apart from Romney.

But let us remember that this is the same Newt who spent the previous two weeks in a perpetual temper tantrum.

I’m not dismissing him as a candidate but merely pointing out that this nomination is ongoing and the Newt of this week may not be the Newt we see in Florida.

Happy Nomad on January 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:12 PM

You’re right

Yep, and in the meantime, let’s call all of Newt’s supporters fat, ugly, uneducated. Does this sound famiiar Obamabots? Evidently some of you don’t understand how to win friends and influence people and neither does Romney…hahahaha

noneoftheabove on January 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Newt Gingrich: Makes Don Quixote look like a winner.

haner on January 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM

  The voters who put Gingrich over the top yesterday believe that we can’t keep going down the same political path in the United States – and that that holds for Republicans at least as much as for Democrats, if not more.

I have to assume the author is serious. Hopefully not, because we’re left with unintentional comedy – voters’ voting for the status quo is being spun to us as voters who are anti-status quo.

Freaking hilarious.

Dante on January 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Newt said the word foodstamps and that hurt my feelings. waaaaaahhhhh…….mommy make the old fat man go away, my feelings are hurt.

MY FEEEEEEEEELINGS…..

DON’T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND I HAVE…..

FEEEEEEEEELINGS……WAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!

GhoulAid on January 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Correction – Right… people that would vote for Newt are idiots because Christine O’Donnell and Mr. Newt are the same. You couldn’t tell the difference between the two. Like twins, they are.

princetrumpet on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Moderates love this analogy. The reality is Castle would have lost to Coons too given his huge unpopularity iwth Repulican voters in DE.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Christine O’Donnell endorsed your candiMitt.
Chuck Norris endorsed my candiNewt.
I’ll take the word of a ninja over the word of a witch anyday.

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

If Newt decides to use the “yell at the moderator” chestnut, call him out on why he is so prone to angry, irrational outbursts. I think the public sees through his faux indignation and staged blow-ups at this point. Sure, they’re mad at the liberal media, but they will be forever. Also, when Newt proposes a new entitlement, shoot it down immediately.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM

We most likely have been watching different debates as I have yet to hear Newt “YELL” at moderators. Moreover, when one hears constant lies upon lies from the media and his fellow primary competitors (read: Romney and to some extent Santorum) one would and SHOULD respond in an agree manner, I expected no less and can’t imagine any reasonable person not to. I know of no one who would not in real life.

It is obvious that you and others hate Newt, so yes, stop pretending like you’re actually “thinking” your posts through, you and others don’t. Obviously. Romney is a LIBERAL hiding under the mask of a conservative, too bad so many RINOs and so called conservatives simply can’t see the obvious even with all the FACTS and videos of Romney’s past life and speeches pointing to the OBVIOUS FACT: ROMNEY IS A LIBERAL and BEST CHANCE for HUSSEIN TO WIN. Main reason LSM is going berserk over Newt’s rise in polls. TEA Party delivered the House to us in 2010, TEA Party will now deliver White House to us this year, with NEWT as our candidate. Put that crack pipe down now and start thinking for yourself instead of simply repeating liberals’ and RINOs’ talking points endlessly.

riddick on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Debate between Mitt Romney and Barrack Obamma: “My esteemed adversary is a gentle, sweet man. You have nothing to fear of four more years of Barrack Obamma.”

Debate between Newt Gingrich and Barrack Obamma: “Would someone please provide some Kleenex to the President?”

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Newt will win.
I just sent him $2,500.
He’s raised a huge amount in the last 24 hours and it will only continue.
Get on the Newt train before it’s too late.
The Mitt ship is sinking fast; abandon ship.

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Wish I could, but I sent $300 to Michelle Bachmann way back when. The extended family has been having lots of medical problems, and work has been, well, 3 hours over the last three weeks… Looks to continue next week. I hope someone else can pick up my slack. I like Newt, I think he is our man this run through.

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Conservatives have BEGGED for a guy that is a warrior, a guy that is not afraid of the liberal maedia, a guy that can outthink, outspeak and out reason any liberal that comes their way.

Newt is that guy. There is no man in the country that can do what he does when it comes to debating, talking about the country, discussing American history, the Constitaution, Obama failures, court decisions, and on and on….

We have the guy we have been waiting for in Newt. Finally. Baggage be dammed…last time I checked Newt didn’t do coke and hang out in a racist church.

Yet we have a bunch of limp wristed losers who want to run a scared to death Romney instead? Brilliant….hopefully America will continue to ignore these people as we saw last night in South Carolina.

magic kingdom on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I think you are exactly right.
I don’t think that’s a viable long term strategy for winning a general election, especially when it’s done by someone with so much baggage.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

I can’t profess to know. There is a lot of Obama hatred out there that’s not fully reflected in the polls, IMHO. Newt’s got some very high negatives in likability polls, but who knows how “sticky” those numbers are? Newt’s baggage is getting “depreciated” as it’s being exposed. I also believe that Obama is destined to lose on economic considerations alone unless he does something drastic, like starts and wins a war with Iran.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

I think Ann Coulter is personallly invested in Gingrich losing if he’s the nominee at this point. How does she support Gingrich after telling us he’s worse than Stalin for months now?

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

  The Union had all the material advantage in that war, as it had the moral advantage in being determined to preserve the national union while ending slavery.

Someone could also benefit from studying history instead of swallowing propaganda.

Dante on January 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

You nailed it.

SparkPlug on January 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM


“The voters who put Gingrich over the top yesterday believe that we can’t keep going down the same political path in the United States – and that that holds for Republicans at least as much as for Democrats, if not more.

Their perception is that the GOP leadership is invested in the current path of government: that it doesn’t want change; it is not committed to restoring liberty and limited government, but instead is comfortable with the growth of regulatory intrusiveness, and seeks merely to broker pragmatic accommodations to leftist activism as a sort of rear-guard action.”

J.E….

… You just nailed what this election is all about.

Seven Percent Solution on January 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Media Advisory: Romney Campaign Will Hold Press Conference Call On Gingrich’s Work As An “Historian” For Freddie Mac #ThereWillBeBlood

lol, here we goooo

Flapjackmaka on January 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM

I love it when people profess to have been reading Hot Air for two years and then claim Hot Air was an echo chamber. Kind of like sitting in Rev Wright’s church (lower-case on purpose) and then claiming to have not heard any racism from the pulpit.

Cute, really, how they like to make those nonsensical claims. (And, yes, I have been reading Hot Air for over 2 years, as my trackbacks can attest, but only recently got registered to comment.)

John Hitchcock on January 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM

It’s amazing how the pundit class can’t seem to warm up to Gingrich. He kind of seems like the kind of moderate Republican that they like to force on us. We are looking for purity, just more pure than Romney. Everybody should be a little pissed off right now about Obama and this econoy. It’s not a time for nice guys.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 8:35 PM

noneoftheabove on January 22, 2012 at 8:31 PM

Hello, Sir/Madam. Please not that I wrote scathing comments about each of the four GOP candidates. ProTip: One of those comments was very sarcastic. I am confident that Newt is our best choice to send the jug eared, purple lipped chain smoking bi sexual basstard back to Chicago in 2013.

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I have to assume the author is serious. Hopefully not, because we’re left with unintentional comedy – voters’ voting for the status quo is being spun to us as voters who are anti-status quo.

Freaking hilarious.

Dante on January 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

No kidding. They want change…so they voted for an old Washington guy. Um, OK.

changer1701 on January 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

not equals note. Of course.

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

All you Mittbots who can’t handle the SC defeat: Get used to it. Mitt is great at losing.

All we on the Newt team do is win:

All we do is win win win no matter what.
Got money our mind and can never get enough
And every time Newt steps up in the debate
Everybody hands go up
And they stay there
And they say yeah
And they stay there
Up down, up down
Cause all we do is win win win

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Well, the fit has hit the shan, and I believe that you will see Teams Romney and Santorum get nasty. And if they go nuclear on Newt’s character, it will be a gruesome mess. ‘Nuff said.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:17 PM

We’ll just have to see. I couldn’t believe that Mitt didn’t go on attack in the last two debates. Even Santorum tried to do the best he could. But Mitt is always the father figure from the ’50s, always calm, cool, and collected and starting every other sentence with “Why” for no apparent reason. Get f*cking angry Mitt, or just disappear.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM

Igor, Mitt’s surrogates will not be like Ward Cleaver. They will be like a meat cleaver. Of course, Mitt and Rick will have to respond to any red meat attack. That’s when the father figure persona could come in handy. But he and Rick will have to be wary of a Newtbomb statement of indignance such as “I cannot believe you (did this or that). How dare you!” And that will be the test.

Mitt and Rick will have to be calm, stand their ground, and answer. No stuttering, no wild gesticulation, no blinking crazily. “Really, Newt? Did you admit to marital indiscretions? Did you pay $300,000 to settle the ethics probe? Did you resign your speakership in disgrace and not run again? Why? How many enemies did you make among your peers? What services did you provide to Fannie and Freddie and why won’t you offer full disclosure of your dealings there? The American taxpayer footed the bill for your services.”

If they choose, Rick and Mitt could turn the tables now and get tough. Let’s see if they have the guts to do so.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Baggage, smaggage. Geez people, quit being sore losers right now. I say let this continue at least until we get to vote in Ohio. We’re tired of being forced fed the establishment’s choices. McCain last time should tell you something. And let me tell you something, as a democrat last time, I was out pounding the sidewalk and phone bank for McCain because I knew what a loser Obama was. Where were most of you guys? This time I’m not lifting a finger to help Romney. I keep telling you that Romney is Obama lite and he won’t win in OHio against Obama. Remember SB5 here in OHio, that did a lot to piss off a lot of people and they’re ready and out in force. And before you say a thing, this site advertised to repeal SB5, as did C4P, all in the name of “capitalism” and advertising revenue. Conservatives on this site? I sincerely question that.

noneoftheabove on January 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Has the least likable and personable candidate of the available two won the presidency since the early 1960s? Notwithstanding the depth of knowledge of those on this site, and all the intriguing analysis of the expert class, don’t the vast swath of the less well informed voters tend to select the most likable individual in November of a presidential election year? I believe that’s the case as I look back at recent history. And for us, if the overriding aim is to get leftists voted out of office, it seems clear to me that Romney is the man to do that. Personally I don’t care about the intricacies of health care in Massachusetts. I just want the leftists removed and common sense and decency returned to leadership.

If you’re interested John at Powerline had a very direct article on the Romney versus Newt situation the other day: he basically said a vote for Gingrich to be the nominee is just a bad idea.

Allendundit on January 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

…while decrying Clinton for the same thing.

changer1701 on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

He did not go after Clinton for the same thing. He went after Clinton because Clinton lied to a grand jury…Clinton should be in jail for that. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ who he stuck cigars in.

Doomsday on January 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Wow…the Newt haters are out in force this evening! All this nonsense about 45 state landslides just proves how unhinged they are. As a non-supporter of Salamander Gingrich(Santorum is my first choice at this point) I don’t think he is any less electable than Mitt Romney. Newt is a policy wonk who would make a perfectly capable president, as long as he has a Repub majority in congress to work with. His biggest liability is that he has more baggage than three football teams at an airport.

Benedict Nelson on January 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Do you think Newt has “savaged” Obama? Look, I’d like a nice balance between Newt and Romney. Truth be told I would think it would be easier for Romney to man up than to rein in Newt. My guess is that I won’t get what I want.

Cindy Munford on January 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

You nailed it.

SparkPlug on January 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Thank you.
It is a no brainer. Look back at the 48 debates so far, Gingrich has been strong in every single one. In our American Idol society, debate performance is a huge deal. Plus, Gingrich has some great ideas.

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Conservatives have BEGGED for a guy that is a warrior, a guy that is not afraid of the liberal maedia, a guy that can outthink, outspeak and out reason any liberal that comes their way.

Newt is that guy. There is no man in the country that can do what he does when it comes to debating, talking about the country, discussing American history, the Constitaution, Obama failures, court decisions, and on and on….

We have the guy we have been waiting for in Newt. Finally. Baggage be dammed…last time I checked Newt didn’t do coke and hang out in a racist church.

Yet we have a bunch of limp wristed losers who want to run a scared to death Romney instead? Brilliant….hopefully America will continue to ignore these people as we saw last night in South Carolina.

magic kingdom on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Yep…baggage be dammed.

tinkerthinker on January 22, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Some of what is posted here is nonsense. Romney will govern Right-Center consistent with his mandate. You dance with those who brung ya in this business.

Romney will pay particular care to the Right base on economic policy, entitlement reform, dismantling Obamacare, national defense, and judicial appointments.

Why? Because Romney cannot risk a fatal primary challenge in 2016. Moreover, if Romney wants to be re-elected, he must REVERSE the Obama economic policies, because they aren’t working and won’t work if continued.

For those who might not be aware, Judge Robert Bork is leading Romney’s judicial selection panel. If Bork isn’t good enough for you, well, you might as well vote for Obama.

This over-hyped suspicion of Romney is bordering on the absurd.

matthew8787 on January 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

I’m sorry, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I was agreeing with you. :)

noneoftheabove on January 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

It would be a serious mistake to underestimate Newt’s chances in the General, and vote for Romney based purely on “electability”.

It has been apparent that Newt’s attacks and counterattacks on the Media, particularly in the debates were popular because people on the Right despise the Media, and have been waiting a long time for someone on the national stage, anyone, to take the battle for the national Narrative to them. I think the depth of the contempt and emotion on the Right on this issue has been widely underestimated.

In fact, the divide that separates the Right and the Left has never been greater in our politics. The Right has come to realize just how useless the Republican Party has been, and recognized their deep commitment to the status quo. The passion on the Right is among the Tea Party and its sympathizers, and those folks don’t buy the propaganda that demonizes the Tea Party as a bunch of nuts with a radical agenda or the polls that suggest there is little support for their views.

Romney is the establishment candidate, and this is not the year to be the establishment candidate. The Right is desperately looking for someone who will challenge the Narrative and its messengers, and who will not only challenge Obama and the Democrats, but will also challenge the status quo and the Republican Party bosses.

Newt is the candidate who is fighting their fights. He is the one who is actually landing the blows. He may be an a-hole, but he is our a-hole, and I’m not at all sure that we don’t need an a-hole to shake up the government the way it needs to be shaken.

Not to mention, our enemies abroad will be terrified of Newt.

Newt will motivate the Right more than any other candidate, and that kind of passion will be needed to overcome the Narrative of the Leftist, Democrat sympathizing Media. Obama is not the great orator he is made out to be, and has never shown the capacity Newt displays for thinking on his feet and articulating arguments. Newt will destroy Obama in any debate, and he will rip his talking points to shreds outside the debates. It will be very difficult for the Media to maintain a false Narrative when the people will hear the sound bites and see the clips and can decide for themselves who is winning the debate.

I’m still concerned by Newt’s tendency to shoot from the hip and hit himself in the foot. He could certainly self-destruct. But he can win.

novaculus on January 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

when all is said and done, its the guy who is better able to make a connection with people that will win, and not so much the other stuff. Romney doesn’t do well in this regard, that is his big problem.

exceller on January 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I’m sorry, I wasn’t disagreeing with you, I was agreeing with you. :)

noneoftheabove on January 22, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Lol, no apology necessary except from myself. I get so confused!

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:17 PM

You “bishoped” me. I started reading your post as I think you usually make great points and thought him too? Then I read a little further.

arnold ziffel on January 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

60% of the country has an unfavorable opinion of Newt. 60% of the country also have an unfavorable impression of Newt when he was speaker. He won’t win blue dog democrats or independants.

Why? They don’t like him. No that is a fact of life, and if you can’t grasp it, you’ve got some sort of learning disability.

rubberneck on January 22, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Yep. This is what these Newt fans don’t seem to grasp. He’s not winning over any of the middle, and like it or not you need some of those folks. All they’ll see is an old Washington guy who was basically drummed out of Congress and cheated on his wives while decrying Clinton for the same thing. They didn’t like him then, they don’t now, and they certainly won’t once all his baggage is brought to the forefront.

changer1701 on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Yes, because Newts unfavorable ratings are written in stone. Just like Romney’s win in South Carolina by 10 points just a week ago was written in stone to never change. Funny how Newt rose so much and Romney fell so far in such a short time. It would almost require a flash ice age to change the stone’s writings in such short order… Or maybe, just maybe, those numbers are all fluid, and those people who dislike Newt today because they tuned out a long time ago on him will be his allies once they retune back in and see the choices.

Nah, no way. Romney won South Carolina!

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Newt is the real deal. Hop in, buckle your seat belt, and enjoy the victories. YES! GO NEWT GO! GO NEWT GO!

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

He is going to lose. He isn’t a conservative, He has a lousy character. I’m not insecure enough to need to be on a bandwagon just so I can be one of the herd, I would rather get Obama out.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I don’t take anyone seriously if they claim Obama is going to do any better in 2012 than he did in 2008. Obama is the one that has to defend 1.5 trillion dollar deficits and historic unemployment aaaaannnnd Obamacare aaannnnnd all of his broken promises (literally all of them) and gasoline prices. Just because the media doesn’t talk abut it doesn’t mean voters are not factoring in that number in their budgets and remembering how much lower it was not too long ago. His only defense is the race card.

The eventual GOP nominee is going to win in a walk. Obama was a media-driven Fad that flopped.

Mord on January 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I hope someone else can pick up my slack. I like Newt, I think he is our man this run through.

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

i am someone that will be picking up your slack this week as i donate to Newt. since the last debate my friends and family, who some are not republican have been hearing me chant NEWT, NEWT, NEWT, NEWT almost nonstop on a daily basis. i am on the Newt train like a Motherf__er because finally we have a male republican with the gonads to tell the truth about what has been going on with ol’ jugears. i am fired up, and i am mad as hell and totally behind Newt and will do whatever i can, no matter how small an effect, to help him and his run for the white house.

oh, and i’m behind Callista too. and get what? she’s covered in Tiffany’s bling ladies and gentleman. and she went on a greece cruise last summer with Newt. and they all wrote him off for dead. remember that sh_t? GUESS WHO’S BACK?

DADDY NEWT IS BACK!

GhoulAid on January 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

Sant will be forced out as a loser instead of getting out gracefully like Perry.
Perry has class.
Sant has goofy sweater vests.
Get out you vain DB Sant!

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Why should Santorum get out? He won Iowa and came in ahead of Gingrich in NH.

Newt has his “the media is bad” lines and gullible idiots like you think he can ride that into the White House. And if anyone is vain, arrogant and an egomaniac, it is Gingrich.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM

If Newt decides to use the “yell at the moderator” chestnut, call him out on why he is so prone to angry, irrational outbursts. I think the public sees through his faux indignation and staged blow-ups at this point. Sure, they’re mad at the liberal media, but they will be forever. Also, when Newt proposes a new entitlement, shoot it down immediately.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM

We most likely have been watching different debates as I have yet to hear Newt “YELL” at moderators. Moreover, when one hears constant lies upon lies from the media and his fellow primary competitors (read: Romney and to some extent Santorum) one would and SHOULD respond in an agree manner, I expected no less and can’t imagine any reasonable person not to. I know of no one who would not in real life.

It is obvious that you and others hate Newt, so yes, stop pretending like you’re actually “thinking” your posts through, you and others don’t. Obviously. Romney is a LIBERAL hiding under the mask of a conservative, too bad so many RINOs and so called conservatives simply can’t see the obvious even with all the FACTS and videos of Romney’s past life and speeches pointing to the OBVIOUS FACT: ROMNEY IS A LIBERAL and BEST CHANCE for HUSSEIN TO WIN. Main reason LSM is going berserk over Newt’s rise in polls. TEA Party delivered the House to us in 2010, TEA Party will now deliver White House to us this year, with NEWT as our candidate. Put that crack pipe down now and start thinking for yourself instead of simply repeating liberals’ and RINOs’ talking points endlessly.

riddick on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM

All Republicans endure constant lies and crtiticism from the liberal media. Newt seems to be the only one who keeps blowing up at them when the cameras are on. Their bias is par for the course.

When the cameras were off after the debate, Newt made nicey-nice with John King and the rest of the media ilk. Newt complimented King on what a good job he did during the debate. Spare us all. He’s a political animal; Newt will play nice to them when it is to his advantage. Eventually, the public will catch on.

A lot of us lived through the Newt years during the Clinton Administration. That was enough; no mas of Newt.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Someone could also benefit from studying history instead of swallowing propaganda.

Dante on January 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Always nice to hear the Ron Paul view of history through one of his little mouthpieces. In the Ron Paul version, Lincoln was a dictator who ground the flower of the South under his iron heel.

You know, Dante, back in the Civil War era, people who believed much as you do were called ‘Copperheads’. The main thing to remember about Copperheads is that they didn’t quite believe in the Confederate cause enough to, you know, actually fight for it.

As an aside, I don’t think Lincoln went far enough when he suspended habeas corpus and threw those traitorous rats in prison. I think he should’ve ordered the execution of every Copperhead they could find. But that’s just me.

troyriser_gopftw on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Newt does not have baggage. He has freight.
But for Newt bags fly free on the defeat Hussein express.

No baggage is gonna matta when he b-slaps Hussein infront of 100 million Americans. It will be an epic embarrassing KO KO KO for Hussein. He’ll wish he had some baggage of his own to distract people from the public azz-whoopin he’s gonna get.

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM

There are different ways to attack. You don’t always have to scream, but you HAVE to appear angry and threatening in THIS particular situation because that’s the quality that is being judged in preparation for the fight against Obama. Let’s see if Mitt can pull this off.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

I’d bet that a Newt Gingrich nominated to run for the GOP in November would implode on the campaign trail. He’d still make a better president than Obama, but his “sticking it to the media” shtick in the debates would lose its luster when he faced Obama. He comes across as easily annoyed; the feistiness that resonates with voter sentiment in the primaries would weather time and tides poorly.

………….AND YET………………….

……the voters in South Carolina disagreed.

PappyD61 on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Mitt Romney versus Barrack Obamma in debate: “Thank you, Mr. President, by the way, I surely hope all is well with Sasha, Mia and your lovely, beautiful wife, Michelle? Okay, yes, thank you for the compliment about your using my Massachusetts Health Care vision as the inspiration of your nationally, mandated health care. So nice. Yes. What? Excuse me, Mr. Snuffaoughagus, what was the question again?”

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Newt’s baggage is getting “depreciated” as it’s being exposed.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:33 P

It’s all going to get churned and churned with as much vigor as a billion dollar campaign can churn it. His baggage will be out there, with other shoes dropping until everyone is disgusted.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Can any Newt supporters explain why they would choose an fat, ugly toad who cheats on his wives and lobbies for fannie and got kicked out by colleagues over a handsome experienced leader with success in government and business and a beautiful family who is as tall as Obama and has a great voice?

I feel like I live in Bizzaro world.

nonpartisan on January 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

You obviously need to be Newtered.

Norky on January 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Newt is to the left of those bozos.

Buddahpundit on January 22, 2012 at 8:10 PM

That wasn’t the point.

FadeToBolivia on January 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I think that something which has worked strongly for Newt is his presenting himself as willing to take the opposite approach of a pushover like Boeher. Boehner had an advantage on the payroll tax situation which he was too dense to realize. They had Obama in the virtually unimaginable position to delay vacation. What did Boehner do? He pretty much folded and Zero went back to his vacationing.

When someone like Newt takes it to the opposition (and the Old Media certainly is part of the DNC opposition) that resonates with those tired of seeing the usual beltway establishment RINOs pretend to stand for something then predictably cave on it.

viking01 on January 22, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Newt has no money, no organization, no infrastructure, no support among GOP elected officials, no principles, and no discipline.

Other than those deficiencies, he’d be a great nominee.

Steyn and others have dissected what a miserable job Newt would do in the general election debates, so I guess we can erase that possible attribute as well.

Come Labor Day, Newt would have the tabloids, Obama the Rose Garden.

matthew8787 on January 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

“The people have one tool – the vote – by which to express the sentiment that things have to change”.

If only we had election laws to guard against fraud…

… Oh, wait!

Seven Percent Solution on January 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Damn it! Someone spar with me!! 1PunchSwell? Where are you?

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:46 PM

You want to vomit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHA0XxubCG0

This is why people voted for Gecko in SC. They think he might actually mean it when he says “fight”.

PappyD61 on January 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:37 PM

There are different ways to attack. You don’t always have to scream, but you HAVE to appear angry and threatening in THIS particular situation because that’s the quality that is being judged in preparation for the fight against Obama. Let’s see if Mitt can pull this off.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:44 PM

True. I am curious to see what their strategy is, but it will happen. Mitt and Rick were on Fox tonight swinging. Things are about to get interesting, that’s for sure.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 8:47 PM

Yep. This is what these Newt Mitt fans don’t seem to grasp. He’s not winning over any of the middle, and like it or not you need some of those folks. All they’ll see is an old Washington guy who was basically drummed out of Congress and cheated on his wives while decrying Clinton for the same thing. They didn’t like him then, they don’t now, and they certainly won’t once all his baggage is brought to the forefront.

changer1701 on January 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Horse hockey! NEWT WON EVERY DEMOGRAPHIC IN SC EXCEPT LIBERALS. He won every county but two, he won women, men , young, old, middle-aged. He lost only post graduates and Liberals who will vote Obama anyway.
Mitt is the exact thing you describe above, remove the blinders!

Newt is taking advantage of each opportunity to advance ideas and ideals. He will give a major policy speech this week in Floraduh on Space exploration. Suppose a whole bunch of areospace workers might be interested since Obama turned NASA into a MOOSLIM out reach program?
This is framing the debate and is what WINS ELECTIONS!

ConcealedKerry on January 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I am not a Newt supporter, but I (and I think you) have to accept that people want a FIGHTER, a DIRTY STREET FIGHTER, not a patrician CEO. When Mitt starts screaming the media is the enemy and that Obama is a Saul Alinsky radical, he will start winning.

‘People’? No. The Republican base wants this. And the Democratic base loves the snarly street fighters on MSNBC. But the base does not resemble the average voter. The average American voter doesn’t like angry candidates. They didn’t like yelling Howard Dean. They didn’t like angry Pat Buchanan. Was Obama an angry street fighter? No, he was more of a ‘patrician CEO’, and he got elected, didn’t he?

The American voter does not like street fighting, or any kind of fighting, and is sick and tired of what he perceives as politicians wasting their energy and time fighting the other party rather than solving the nation’s problems. Newt as a street fighter is a non-starter. It is a ticket to defeat in the fall.

Bartrams Garden on January 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Do you think Newt has “savaged” Obama? Look, I’d like a nice balance between Newt and Romney. Truth be told I would think it would be easier for Romney to man up than to rein in Newt. My guess is that I won’t get what I want.

Cindy Munford on January 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Newt at least called Obama a “Saul Alinsky radical” on Meet the Press this morning, which is more than Mitt has ever done. I don’t think it’s easy for Romney to “man up”. He is Mr. Control to the core of his being. He doesn’t seem to be that good of an actor, to be able to play someone so different from himself. And never lose sight of this: at the moment it’s an acting contest. Newt has just had two Oscar-worthy performances, and Mitt was a B-movie actor, and not a Reagan at that.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM

ConcealedKerry on January 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Can I nominate this for the best, new moniker added to Hot Gas? So brill!

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:49 PM

He doesn’t have to go that far but he at least has to prove who his opponent really is and admit that the media is not his friend. At least Newt argues the premise of the medias questions, they aren’t looking for answers they are setting the narrative. It has to stop and if Romney wants to take that on I will gladly support him. So far, it appears that he does not.

Cindy Munford on January 22, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Did you ever wonder why Newt goes to these debates if the questions are so bad? You can’t be that naive, can you?

And are you saying that fighting the media is going to lower the debt, put people back to work and make the world a safer place? Last time I looked, Juan Williams was not in charge of anything.

Newt chastises the media and says nothing about policy. Other than his 12 year old janitor proposal and making illegals residents, he has offered no plan to solve our nations problems. He talks in generalities and gets standing ovations, “if we get elected, 26 year olds will leave home.” WTF? I swear, BT Barnum was right, there is a fool born every minute.

fight like a girl on January 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Sant is a has-been loser from PA with myopic policies and a self-righteous attitude.
Get out Sant, you DB!
You’ll never be prez.
Go back to being a clueless second-rate Fox News analyst where you belong.
Get out an endorse Romney already.
We know that’s what a loser like you will do, just like you supported Arlen Spectacle and McCain.

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Sant will be forced out as a loser instead of getting out gracefully like Perry.

doorsxp on January 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM

Don’t be so eager. The entire GOP establishment will have their guns focused on Gingrich now; if they sink him as they did in Iowa, it will fall to Santorum, not to win, but to be the final rejection of Romney.

If both drop out, it will down be Ron Paul. Again, not to win, but to send a message to the GOP: this is why you’re losing in November.

Steele is no longer RNC chairman. Do keep up.

troyriser_gopftw on January 22, 2012 at 8:25 PM

You would have to do just that, given that he keps poking his nose into the news to campaign. Albeit the fact that he’s campaigning alternately for Obama and Romney might give you a hint.

Moderates love this analogy. The reality is Castle would have lost to Coons too given his huge unpopularity iwth Repulican voters in DE.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Yes, but that would also be the Tea Party’s fault: for not turning out for a straight-line Democrat to the left of the Maine twins whose only conservative position would be for Majority Leader. Wheras O’Donnell was the Tea Party’s fault because they should have erred on the side of the most liberal Republican, nevermind that the Republican party had become literally worthless as a political organ, a party in which John McCain was nominated as a conservative without irony.

HitNRun on January 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

The news station here in Blufton (FOX actually) called Newt’s win a 7:01 EST.
Something to consider is the fact that South Carolina has a demographic population of older folks and here’s the key, a majority are from northern states such as Ohio. I’m from Mitt’s state in New England.
We are not monolithic nor homgenous in our thought process and not swayed by media hype nor candidate hyperbole.
Newt tells it straight. Romney, I suspect if you ask him his favorite color he would say “plaid.”
Obama will duck debates with Newt because he cannot compete on ideas.

Art on January 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Bartrams Garden on January 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM

what planet are you living on? on this planet, obama and his policies have done things to the average american that has never been done before. maybe another time they wouldn’t like a fighter, or fighting, but obama and what he has done has changed all that this time around. most people i know, and read about want obama knocked down in the dirt. and hard. i repeat…..HARD! wake up already!

GhoulAid on January 22, 2012 at 8:51 PM

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Thankyou

ConcealedKerry on January 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

I think we’re in more trouble than we realize. I have a relative in her early 70s who has been a reliable, lifelong, active conservative voter, but while watching the results come in for South Carolina, she said she didn’t want to vote for Romney or Gingrich (or Santorum or Paul) in the general…and would probably sit the election out. Now, when the actual election gets here, it’s totally possible she’ll change her mind and vote purely against Obama. But the fact that she’s talking like this at all is alarming. (She’s not just momentarily disenchanted with politics because her favorite dropped out; she’s thought this through unemotionally.) And it makes me wonder how many others like her feel the same way–and it’s especially problematic if the general consensus is that the election is lost to Obama from the outset.

I think it’s a mistake to assume people will be all fired up to throw Obama out and just vote blindly for the Republican.

Brokered Convention 2012 Because it’s pretty much our only hope.

butterflies and puppies on January 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Don’t forget that 8 months before he was elected, Reagan trailed Carter in the polls by 25 points.

pearson on January 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM

You “bishoped” me. I started reading your post as I think you usually make great points and thought him too? Then I read a little further.

arnold ziffel on January 22, 2012 at 8:41 PM

I do not know Bishop’s reputation, I hear the name often.

Sorry that you did not like what I wrote. It is meant for light reading and not serious consideration, other than the fact that an activity just as I wrote is something that Romney’s business experience has been about.

He has said himself the only thing is Profit. He is spending much money on this campaign, it makes sense that he sees it at a business investment, as his business experience is the only experience he uses to justify his qualification to run for the Republican nomination.

His business model was exactly as I said it was. Buy a company for a small amount of money. Turn around and sell bonds for many tens of multiples of that amount. Pay the crony firm that helped sell the bonds an amount equal to or in excess of the initial investment. Later do dividend payments to his own company that were in excess of 30% of the value of the bonds sold. If after that point, the company did not look like it would last long on the scraps he left it, he dumped the company and let it work things out on its own.

I know I know, they put plans together for the company and argued that those plans would work, and that added value to the company. I am sure it added far less than what Bain took out. I do not like people who take profit while they convince other people to invest in one of their projects that their own actions works towards ensuring failure and loss of those investments. Bain in those instances was not a partner and they were not doing good things. Bain was dishonorable in those dealing, even if not illegal, and I sure as hell would never give any position of power to anyone who did things with such low character, and I can care less how valuable a service companies LIKE Bain are to the country. I believe in value for value, and I believe in consequences. Bain did not run with either of those as their virtues and it reflects precisely on Romney that this is the case.

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

People who say Newt is not a conservative don’t get it and are simply wrong. Very wrong.

I guess Palin, Rick Perry, Michael Reagan and countless other rock sold consrvatives are supporting Newt because he is such a liberal?

I hope the ignorance we find on Hot Air is not a represenation of the general voting public.

magic kingdom on January 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Horse hockey! NEWT WON EVERY DEMOGRAPHIC IN SC EXCEPT LIBERALS. He won every county but two, he won women, men , young, old, middle-aged. He lost only post graduates and Liberals who will vote Obama anyway.
Mitt is the exact thing you describe above, remove the blinders!

Newt is taking advantage of each opportunity to advance ideas and ideals. He will give a major policy speech this week in Floraduh on Space exploration. Suppose a whole bunch of areospace workers might be interested since Obama turned NASA into a MOOSLIM out reach program?
This is framing the debate and is what WINS ELECTIONS!

ConcealedKerry on January 22, 2012 at 8:48 PM

You’re delusional. A GOP primary in SC is not representative of the general election electorate.

changer1701 on January 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

fight like a girl on January 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM

And you think the questions asked have indicated how our country’s fiscal problems are going to be resolved. I’m the sucker for realizing that Obama’s team sets the agenda and the conversation? Right.

Cindy Munford on January 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Here is another addition to why Newt is right for the times:
http://noleftturnz.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/rallying-cry/

onlineanalyst on January 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Newt Gingrich is a parody of a conservative. He’s the William Shatner of politicians, which would be endearing if he were an entertainer instead of a presidential candidate. Gingrich is a silly candidate — a stay puft marshmallow candidate of conservative fantasy. Republican voters already look silly for choosing him in South Carolina. If he wins the nomination, both the Republican Party and its voters will have end up embarrassed.

RightOFLeft on January 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I hope the ignorance we find on Hot Air is not a represenation of the general voting public.

magic kingdom on January 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Sadly, I think you will find it true. Never underestimate the idiocy of the American voting public. After all, they voted in Barrack Obamma, Jimmy Carter and Millard Filmore.

carbon_footprint on January 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

People who say Newt is not a conservative don’t get it and are simply wrong. Very wrong.

I guess Palin, Rick Perry, Michael Reagan and countless other rock sold consrvatives are supporting Newt because he is such a liberal?

I hope the ignorance we find on Hot Air is not a represenation of the general voting public.

magic kingdom on January 22, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Atrocious logic. Simply atrocious

Dante on January 22, 2012 at 8:56 PM

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