Mitt Romney: evitable?

posted at 11:15 am on January 22, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

After leading in polling in South Carolina for the last couple of weeks, Mitt Romney got badly beaten in the Palmetto State by Newt Gingrich yesterday, wh was fueled by two dynamic debate performances, especially with a big attack on the national media in the second.  The scope of the defeat — by 12-13 points — left Romney with no delegates from this primary [see update II], as Gingrich won every Congressional district in the state.  Sarah Palin called Newt Gingrich the new front-runner, and while that’s an understandable spot reaction, it’s a stretch at best.

Gingrich did a terrific job in South Carolina.  It’s worth noting that Romney won the same percentage of the vote (27%) that polls showed him having two weeks ago when he led 27/24 over Rick Santorum.  Gingrich won by firing up nearly everyone else and getting 40% of the vote in South Carolina.  That was an amazing accomplishment, all the more so because it mainly resulted from the two televised debates, and despite as well as because of the attack from Gingrich’s second former wife Marianne.

How did that happen?  Thanks to that confluence of events, personal performance, and a couple of stumbles by Romney in the debates, Gingrich tapped into the lingering dissatisfaction of conservatives with Romney, fear of losing any chance of stopping Romney, and anger against the national media.  This was an emotional sale, not primarily based on policy choices, which haven’t changed in months on either side.  His big win will spark hope that Romney can be beat in the primaries, and the scope of that win will impact the Florida race, certainly.

However, it’s probably not a gamechanger, at least not on its own.  Florida comes next, and it has a lot more delegates at stake.  It’s less conservative than South Carolina, and it’s a much bigger state geographically as well as in population.  Romney has a much stronger organization in Florida than Gingrich or anyone else; Ron Paul won’t even contest it, he announced last night.  At least 200,000 ballots have already been cast in Florida, which will give Romney a big boost.  Furthermore, the emotional peak in South Carolina that fueled Gingrich’s rise will dissipate quickly in Florida, unless another big controversy arises that gives Gingrich an opportunity to blast the media, and Romney belatedly moved to defuse the tax-return issue this morning.  At that point, voters in more moderate Florida will go back to looking at Gingrich’s record and his past, which is what killed his last boomlet in mid-December.

The schedule is another big problem for Gingrich.  First, as Gingrich even mentioned in his victory speech last night, his campaign coffers aren’t exactly overflowing at the moment, and the pace is about to change.  The week after Florida, five states have primaries or caucuses (two of which are non-binding), and the lack of resources will make it difficult for Gingrich to compete simultaneously.  Three weeks later, Arizona and Michigan hold their primaries on the same day, which means that Gingrich will probably only be able to energetically compete in one of those two states, and Michigan is already Romney country.  The very next week, ten states hold their contests, including Gingrich’s home state of Virginia, where Gingrich’s lack of organization resulted in failure to make the ballot.  Romney’s big advantage in organization hasn’t even begun to play out in this race, but it’s going to be huge in February and March.

That doesn’t mean Romney has it sewn up, either.  Instead of Florida being a coronation, it’s now a survival state for Romney.  Losing South Carolina will undermine confidence in Romney’s ability to close the deal, especially by getting beaten so badly by Gingrich, who was third in polling two weeks ago and finished fourth and fifth in Iowa and New Hampshire, respectively.  If Romney struggles in Florida, Gingrich might not need a lot of organization in the following couple of weeks to start winning races, no matter how many resources Romney throws at those states.  Adam Smith reminds us that Romney outspent and outorganized John McCain in 2008 in Florida and still lost the state after losing South Carolina, but Romney had also lost New Hampshire to McCain.

The biggest outcome from yesterday is that Mitt Romney looks surprisingly evitable, while Newt Gingrich looks surprisingly credible.  The odds are still stacked against a long-shot Gingrich, but he’s no longer a no-shot candidate.

Update: Sean Trende gives Romney a 35% chance of losing the nomination, and offers this warning to Romney:

Simply put, there are very few states where he can perform among the major demographic groups the way he performed in South Carolina and still expect to win. And remember, this is still in many ways the electorate that selected Christine O’Donnell, Carl Paladino and Linda McMahon as its standard-bearers — in very blue states with relatively moderate GOP electorates, no less.

This vote was an utter repudiation of Romney, and it absolutely will be repeated in state after state if something doesn’t change the basic dynamic of the race. It is true that Gingrich doesn’t have funds or organization, but he gets a ton of free media from the debates, and he has an electorate that simply wants someone other than Romney.

That’s not to say that Romney’s money and organization don’t give him advantages — they do. He remains the GOP front-runner, in my view, because it isn’t clear how well Gingrich can survive the long haul. But there’s a not-insubstantial chance, call it 35 percent, that Romney won’t be the nominee.

Poor organization can be fixed, although it’s still pretty unclear whether Gingrich himself can do that.  A poorly-performing candidate is tougher to fix, but also not impossible.

Update II: Actually, Romney ended up with two of the 25 delegates from South Carolina.

Update III: My description of Trende’s odds-making was inaccurate.  He didn’t say Gingrich had a 35% chance of winning the nomination, but that Romney had a 35% chance of losing it.   At the moment, that sounds like the same thing, but it’s not exactly what Sean said.  I’ve changed it above.


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Mmmmm, another Progressive gop nominee.

PappyD61 on January 22, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Who gets your nod of approval?

Mimzey on January 22, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Mitt looks like he just lost the nomination on FNS. :-(

Punchenko on January 22, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I wouldn’t doubt if V7 Sport is an Obama voter.

Dr. Tesla

Pot, meet kettle, lol.

xblade on January 22, 2012 at 6:13 PM

You don’t read very well, do you?

neuquenguy on January 22, 2012 at 5:00 PM

I read perfectly fine. The quote says, in essence, that Now is probably not the right time to spend billions of dollars on the
space program….as if in the foreseeable future we will be flush with money to throw around.16 TRILLION DOLLARS AND GROWING BY THE SECOND.

I was pointing out that due to the INSANE spending spree that congress has been on, including people like medicare=part-B-Newt, for the last 2 or 3 decades, we may not even survive a complete economic collapse…
let alone have money for something such as this.

If we don’t get someone like Romney in charge who has the knowledge and ability to turn the economy around, we are going off a cliff. Gingrich has been part of the problem and will not be part of the solution. Besides, if Newt WERE to somehow con enough of you to actually get the nomination, Barac’s billion dollar machine will rip him apart, and he would lose in an unprecidented landslide.

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Is there any doubt that V7 Sport is a Moby?

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 5:13 PM

He/She is a perfect example of a CONCERN TROLL

Concern trolling is a form of Internet trolling in which someone enters a discussion with claims that he or she supports the view of the discussion, but has concerns. In fact, the concern troll is opposed to the view of the discussion, and he or she uses concern trolling to sow doubt and dissent in the community of commenters or posters. Although this practice originated on the Internet, it has since spread to the real world as well, with concern trolls popping up in a variety of places from network television to op-ed columns.

Artful concern trolling involves developing a believable persona as a supporter of a cause who has legitimate concerns. In an example of concern trolling, a group of people might be having a political discussion on a website about a candidate they support. The concern troll would log on and say “I’m concerned that this candidate might not be strong enough to beat the opposition,” or “I’m worried that the candidate’s history in the legislature might be a problem in the election.”(from wisegeek.com)

redridinghood on January 22, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Update II: Actually, Romney ended up with two of the 25 delegates from South Carolina.

23 to 2. So soft-pledged is hard-pledged or can they be set free in Tampa?

AshleyTKing on January 22, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Newt Gingrich cheated on his first wife while she had cancer, he cheated on his second wife while she had MS. He stood at the alter and said something along the lines of “in sickness and in health” and he lied.
If he cheated them, he probably cheated with others, If so it’s going to come out in the general election.

Gingrich worked for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while they were causing the housing crisis that brought the economy down. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are democrat slush funds where they put their cronies like Franklin Raines and lavish undeserved, million dollar bonuses on them.

Gingrich received $1.6 million tax payer dollars from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as an “historian”. The democrats have all the paperwork and records of what little he did and they are just waiting for the perfect time to disclose it.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 4:37 PM

All true…and this is hardly a TASTE of the list of things that make Newt unelectable…the list goes on…and on….and on….

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Opinions decide elections… that’s a fact.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 5:57 PM

For some it does, that is no excuse to keep the fat kid on the “opinion” end of the teeter-totter..its time for facts to gain a little ballast in the decision part of selecting representatives.

Opinions can be shaped by facts..they are not chiseled in stone…well for some they seem to be, but there is a movement happening. Try to not be on the wrong side of history, because that IS whats going on. We are in living history right now.

Mimzey on January 22, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Mitt looks like he just lost the nomination on FNS. :-(

Punchenko on January 22, 2012 at 6:09 PM

I noticed that, too.

tinkerthinker on January 22, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I believe that Gingrich can do real damage to Obamas mystique and expose a lot of the lies and fallacy’s of the progressive machine.
I don’t believe that Romney has the same qualities.

My view is that there are a lot of people out there who believe what they want to believe. (Not directed at you) Just because something is “exposed” doesn’t mean that people are going to buy it. Obama has a devoted base, despite his glaring shortcomings and his unbelievably poor performance they can, without a doubt be counted on to do whatever it takes to get him elected. I volunteered in the last presidential campaign and they were hard working, completely dedicated and ruthless.
Additionally, I don’t think people in the center and certainty not the left are going to care that Newt trashes the media. We love it, but it’s not enough to win.
Romney isn’t a good communicator. He is stiff, dull, rehearsed, safe as milk. What he doesn’t have is this truly tremendous amount of baggage. The Democrats have the best in the business and unlimited funds to throw at it. You are going to see ALL of that baggage trotted out and put on display. And after all that, the punch line is that Gingrich isn’t even a conservative. He just trashes the media.

If Romney is the nominee, I vote for Romney.
If Gingrich is the nominee, do you vote for Gingrich?

Yes, I’ll vote for Newt. I doubt I’ll send him money, pass out propaganda, give people rides to the polls because I don’t want to have to grin and bear it when the dirty laundry goes up on the line; But i’ll vote… That doesn’t mean I think he can win.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Running a convicted liar…

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Dude, you are making an a55 out of yourself now. Even democrats don’t claim that.

MTLassen on January 22, 2012 at 6:04 PM

They will be and you will be force fed the transcripts and his testimony when the time is right. This October, probably. Along with the divorce records, the invoices at Freddie and Fannie and on and on and on.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Time for you to take the gloves off, Mitt. Rick S. has already started punching. You’re going to have to put the Mormon elder nice guy on ice for a while if you want to get anywhere.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Who pays for the cost of their own witch hunt?
V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 5:19 PM

People who don’t have free lawyers.

katy the mean old lady on January 22, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Is there any doubt that V7 Sport is a Moby?

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Nah, just an azzhat. You, however….

katy the mean old lady on January 22, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Mimzey

its time for facts to gain a little ballast in the decision part of selecting representatives.

Lets work on defeating Obama, after that we can work on changing human nature.

but there is a movement happening.

There are a bunch of them happening actually. Not all going to the same place.

Try to not be on the wrong side of history, because that IS whats going on

I’m going to go ahead and focus on the task at hand. It is getting rid of Obama, no?

We are in living history right now.

We are all interested in the future, for that is where you and I are going to spend the rest of our lives.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Who pays for the cost of their own witch hunt?
V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 5:19 PM

People who don’t have free lawyers.

katy the mean old lady on January 22, 2012 at 6:29 PM

If I were speaker of the house I’de spend my last cent rather then admit to lying when I hadn’t.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 6:39 PM

They will be and you will be force fed the transcripts and his testimony when the time is right. This October, probably. Along with the divorce records, the invoices at Freddie and Fannie and on and on and on.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Uh, no. A conviction is a criminal court judgment, or an impeachment trial judgment. Gingrich was never involved in either one of those procedures, so your characterization is yet another failure.

Secondly, the ethics investigation reports have been public knowledge nearly 20 years. This includes the black-letter exonerations from the Ethics Committee and the IRS Enforcement Branch. Again, your characterization is complete crap.

Nobody gives two craps about his tawdry personal life anymore: Witness the zero-impact of his bitter ex-wife’s “exclusive blockbuster” interview on Nighline.

The Freddie stuff is business. Digging that up is likely to produce about the same level of GOP problem as the oppo crap they have on Bain Capital assets taking bailout money.

You people who see the sky falling over a Gingrich nomination and a cakewalk with Romney are deluding yourselves. Gingrich has problems which approximately zero of his supporters would deny. Furthermore, a huge majority of us will vote for whoever the nom turns out to be, unlike most of your ilk (as borne out by consistent polling). However, Gingrich knows how to fight (and survive) and actually has a record of success in moving the needle back to the right. Romney has neither of those going for him. Period.

I’ll never understand why you smart-guys can’t make your case without telling us we’re all stupid.

MTLassen on January 22, 2012 at 6:42 PM

You think his ethics troubles were “nothing major”? You better read James T. Cole’s final report to the Ethics Committee before you make such statements, Zippy – or just wait for the Democrats to read it to you, line by line by line.

Thank you.

So what? oooOOOOoo…James Cole (I think its “M” cole)..he wrote stuff..ooOOOo….
So who IS James M Cole?

:
The Ethics Committee had hired a special counsel to investigate a host of ethics complaints that had been filed against Gingrich. The special counsel concluded that Gingrich had violated several House rules, but the committee wanted to close the case, so the counsel negotiated a settlement with Gingrich and his lawyers.

Who was the special counsel?

James Cole.

There is no evidence that Cole’s relationship to Gingrich had an impact on what is happening to his nomination. Republican Senators raised a host of concerns about Cole, criticizing his views on terrorism and his service as an independent monitor for AIG, (the insurance company that required bailing out during the financial crisis.)

Some Republicans also didn’t like some of the clients Cole has represented. Some were angry that Cole already is serving in the job he was nominated for, since President Barack Obama made what is known as a recess appointment, which allows Cole to hold the position until the end of this year.

___________________________________________

A Dem Obama hack.
What would you expect his view on Gingrich would be?

Mimzey on January 22, 2012 at 6:45 PM

How is Obama going to spin this horrible economy?

THat’s what matters to voters this year.

Dr. Tesla

Here ya go:

Obama: How can a country trust a guy to do what’s right that can’t even be trusted to do what’s right by his own family?

Show me a president who has been as horrible as Obama and won a re-election with this bad of an economy?

Dr. Tesla

Show us a Republican presidential candidate that has had three wives, cheated on two of them, and whose current wife was the mistress during his last marriage that has ever been elected president.

Voters may have a problem with Obama, but they’re not going to elect someone they like and trust even less. And I can assure you, they aren’t going to be very fond of a thrice married, serial adulterer, family values hypocrite, who may have served his wife with divorce papers on her deathbed(yeah, I know that’s not true – doesn’t matter), no matter how much you lie to yourself that they will, and they certainly aren’t going to trust him.

xblade on January 22, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I’m going to go ahead and focus on the task at hand. It is getting rid of Obama, no?
V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Correct.
So..to answer my question about your vote if Gingrich is the nominee?
You support Gingrich..right?

Mimzey on January 22, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Me thinks bluegill changed his/her name to V7_Sport!

not-ur-avragejoe on January 22, 2012 at 6:50 PM


Time for you to take the gloves off, Mitt. Rick S. has already started punching. You’re going to have to put the Mormon elder nice guy on ice for a while if you want to get anywhere.

Hey, just a thought, but maybe Willard should develop a message of his own rather than release a Romney-slime-storm and pray that he’s the last man standing. Maybe attacking conservative candidates isn’t working out for him. Maybe he’s only hardening conservative opinion against him.

casuist on January 22, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Show me a president who has been as horrible as Obama and won a re-election with this bad of an economy?

Dr. Tesla
=========================================
Show us a Republican presidential candidate that has had three wives, cheated on two of them, and whose current wife was the mistress during his last marriage that has ever been elected president.

xblade on January 22, 2012 at 6:45 PM

So basically, you avoid answering the question? The first example by Dr Tesla is one on topic..i.e. a president with the record of job specific performance that Obama has.

Your example has nothing to do with the job of being president…..show me a president that has been elected that had a drug problem..made horrible foreign policy decisions, and had multiple affairs while married….oh wait!..that JFK.

Mimzey on January 22, 2012 at 6:55 PM

Time for you to take the gloves off, Mitt. Rick S. has already started punching. You’re going to have to put the Mormon elder nice guy on ice for a while if you want to get anywhere.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I love this myth that Romney hasn’t been running negative ads. He started the whole negative ad thing in Iowa. He’s sent a cake over to Gignrich’s campaign HQ in SC as for the 15th anniversary of Newt’s ethics violations that weren’t true. This guy always a jerk behind the scenes but he gets away with it b/c he sells you a choir boy image.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM


Obama: How can a country trust a guy to do what’s right that can’t even be trusted to do what’s right by his own family?

Yet you want me to trust Willard Romney? I’m going to with Gingrich, thank you.

casuist on January 22, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Clinton got elected and re-elected despite countless accusations of sexual harrasment by numerous women. Everybody knew he was cheating on Hillary. It didn’t matter to voters.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 6:59 PM

They will be and you will be force fed the transcripts and his testimony when the time is right. This October, probably. Along with the divorce records, the invoices at Freddie and Fannie and on and on and on.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 6:27 PM

You’re assuming that the planned effect on the electorate will be what the dems want.
If you haven’t noticed there is a new sensibility emerging along with the movement of history..People are not going to put up with “force feeding” anymore…it’ll only result with them spitting it back in the faces of the ones doing the force feeding.

Mimzey on January 22, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Gingrich received $1.6 million tax payer dollars from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as an “historian”. The democrats have all the paperwork and records of what little he did and they are just waiting for the perfect time to disclose it.

V7_Sport

So, basically, what you’re saying is the democrats can’t wait to tell the American voters that they like to waste taxpayer money by paying people to do nothing?

The reality is you don’t even know if they have that card to play, because you don’t know how much OR how little he did. It’s quite possible he and his firm did quite a lot for the $200,000 a year they received. Fannie and Freddie is the least of Newt’s problems.

xblade on January 22, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Voters may have a problem with Obama, but they’re not going to elect someone they like and trust even less. And I can assure you, they aren’t going to be very fond of a thrice married, serial adulterer, family values hypocrite, who may have served his wife with divorce papers on her deathbed(yeah, I know that’s not true – doesn’t matter), no matter how much you lie to yourself that they will, and they certainly aren’t going to trust him.

xblade on January 22, 2012 at 6:45 PM

I have fought as hard as anyone here against Newt, but you have to accept reality at some point. If conservatives in South Carolina are willing to accept the adulterer, the rest of the country which is much less concerned with this sort of thing will too.

Romney just doesn’t know how to fight effectively. At some point you have to conclude, as the old joke went about why all the advertising for a particular brand of dog food went nowhere: “The dogs just won’t eat the dog food.” This is Romney’s predicament with conservatives.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Obama: How can a country trust a guy to do what’s right that can’t even be trusted to do what’s right by his own family?

Gingrich has only cheated twice that we know of, and it’s been 15 years since the last time.

Obama admitted to using crack cocaine in his book, which affects your brain in a bad way…all Newt has to do is mention that and Obama’s not going to talk adultery anymore.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Uh, no. A conviction is a criminal court judgment, or an impeachment trial judgment. Gingrich was never involved in either one of those procedures, so your characterization is yet another failure.

Would you prefer “admitted liar”? Again, it doesn’t matter, When Ketchum or Edelman PR get ahold of it it’s just going to be a part of the parade of disgraces.

Secondly, the ethics investigation reports have been public knowledge nearly 20 years.

Uh, no. (couldn’t resist) There is sealed testimony from Gingrich that Pelosi already threatened to leak. Regardless, it’s come as a surprise to a few people on this board and will come as a bigger surprise to the general public.

Nobody gives two craps about his tawdry personal life anymore

Wait until the ad agencies get the divorce papers.

The Freddie stuff is business.

Taking 1.6 million TAX PAYER dollars from democrat cronies for essentially nothing (“historian”) from the entity that bilked the tax payer out of arguably trillions in bad loans and plummeting real estate value is another story that isn’t going to go away.

You people who see the sky falling over a Gingrich nomination and a cakewalk with Romney are deluding yourselves.

I don’t think either will be a cakewalk, but I don’t think Gingrich can win.

Gingrich has problems which approximately zero of his supporters would deny.

Said the guy who was denying them.

“, a huge majority of us will vote for whoever the nom turns out to be”

And that isn’t enough to win an election.

“unlike most of your ilk”

Who are my ilk?

However, Gingrich knows how to fight (and survive)

That’s why he was removed from the speakership by his own party.

“I’ll never understand why you smart-guys can’t make your case without telling us we’re all stupid.”

I never called you stupid. No need to assert yourself.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:01 PM

I’d rather take a shot on a guy with some experience who didn’t use crack cocaine then stick with Obama who did used crack cocaine and obviously is in over his head or so leftwing he won’t change course.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Nobody gives two craps about his tawdry personal life anymore: Witness the zero-impact of his bitter ex-wife’s “exclusive blockbuster” interview on Nighline.

The Freddie stuff is business. Digging that up is likely to produce about the same level of GOP problem as the oppo crap they have on Bain Capital assets taking bailout money.

You people who see the sky falling over a Gingrich nomination…
I’ll never understand why you smart-guys can’t make your case without telling us we’re all stupid.

MTLassen on January 22, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Virtually no one has been a Newt supporter for more than a week or so. Almost all of you have jumped on the Newtwagon based on his theatrics during the last two debates, which he, in typical Newt disingenuous style, used as a tactic borne of desperation, to deflect attention from his own horrible record, and throw red meat at the base of the party as a smoke screen.

Now, you who swallowed his act whole, will make any excuse, will ignore any fault, past, present, or future, to back this evil egomaniacal piece of garbbage.

Sorry if pointing these things out to my fellow “conservatives” makes you feel I am calling you stupid….but if the shoe fits…

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 7:03 PM

Why didn’t Republicans and McCain make a big deal out of the fact Obama is a former crackhead in 2008? Shouldn’t that disquailify somebody from being president?

You elect a crackhead to be president, you get high unemployment and Obamacare.

Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 7:04 PM


Romney just doesn’t know how to fight effectively. At some point you have to conclude, as the old joke went about why all the advertising for a particular brand of dog food went nowhere: “The dogs just won’t eat the dog food.” This is Romney’s predicament with conservatives.

Yes, the Romney dog food is unacceptable, and the last time anyone was fool enough to vote Willard into office the result was a program of policy functionally identical to ObamaCare, i.e. RomneyCare, with all its new rules, new taxes, its assumptions about using state power to supervise private economic activity to support progressive goals like universal coverage, and its mandates. So there’s that.

casuist on January 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Correct.
So..to answer my question about your vote if Gingrich is the nominee?
You support Gingrich..right?
Mimzey on January 22, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I did answer your queston, yes, I woill vote for newt if he is the nominee. I would have voted for Joe Miller, Sharon Angle, Christine O’donnell or Doug Hoffman as well.
Voting alone isn’t “support”. There’s money, effort, signs and calls that can be made. I’ve done this in the past but am not going to turn myself inside out for someone who is basically a fraud.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM

The real question is why shouldn’t Mitt Romney drop out?

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Said the guy who was denying them.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:01 PM

You don’t read so well, do you? Pointing out your regurgitation of democrat lies, ad nauseum, doesn’t involve denial, sport.

However, Gingrich knows how to fight (and survive)

That’s why he was removed from the speakership by his own party.

Factually challenged, still, I see. That’s a bald-faced lie, but go right ahead and keep spewing democrat shill-points.

I never called you stupid. No need to assert yourself.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Thanks for reinforcing my point so assertively, genius.

As you’ve now removed all doubt from everyone in this thread that you’re a willfully consistent liar and a complete jerk, my work here is done. Thanks for playing. :)

MTLassen on January 22, 2012 at 7:12 PM

Mimzey

You’re assuming that the planned effect on the electorate will be what the dems want

I think it’s a safe assumption that the Democrats can chip enough of Newts support away with a billion dollars and unlimited airtime to hammer away at the long list of foibles that Gingrich brings with him. I also think there are other shoes to drop, but even if there weren’t, they have enough to work with.

If you haven’t noticed there is a new sensibility emerging along with the movement of history..

Occupy wall St? Look, movements come and go like…movements.

People are not going to put up with “force feeding” anymore…

Newt needs to win the center, any nominee does. Most people out there aren’t impressed by someone just because they sneer at a tool like Juan Williams.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Show me a president who has been as horrible as Obama and won a re-election with this bad of an economy?

Dr. Tesla

As horrible as Obama? Hard to beat since President Obama’s in Buchanan territory insofar as ‘horrible’ is concerned. However, FDR won reelection several times in far worse economic conditions than these, and Lincoln won reelection in 1864, and it’s fair to say the American economy was nearly shattered, with greater economic hardship endured by the voting populace than anything in modern times.

So can President Obama win reelection? Sure he can. If no one’s noticed, the media barely mentions the Great Recession or even offers occasional roundabout hints at the sheer magnitude of the disaster–unless, of course, it’s to blame Bush and Wall Street. You better believe a Republican Administration would be getting the full Hollywood treatment by now. Let me put it this way: President Obama could drown kittens and drop-kick puppies on live national television and get away with it.

The MSM is a powerful ally, and propaganda works. The majority of independent (read: politically disinterested) voters only know they’ve had it harder than most can remember. They’re just as likely to blame who the television tells them to blame, and that would be anyone but Obama.

The GOP nominates Gingrich, then we’ll get several months of saturation coverage detailing every sordid aspect of his personal life. If Romney is nominated, we’ll see the media equivalent of an anti-Mormon pogrom, with feature films and documentaries and talk shows delving into every esoteric and out-of-mainstream belief and practice of that faith, highlighted and emphasized. For his stance on social issues, Santorum is absolutely hated by hardcore gay activists like Dan Savage. Santorum would get the religious extremist treatment. And so on.

In short, the Democrats will do all they can to divert attention away from Obama’s record. If I were them, I would, too.

troyriser_gopftw on January 22, 2012 at 7:14 PM

The real question is why shouldn’t Mitt Romney drop out?

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Because the race just got started…and Romney has an organization that makes Newt look like a pimple on the republican elephants ass.
Also, because Mitt knows that if Newt somehow cons his way to the nomination, that the dems will win by a landslide and Obama will finish destroying this nation. Unlike Newt, Mitt ACTUALLY cares what happens to America and is not a egomaniacal degenerate.

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Anyone but Mitt! Although Newt’s record on the global warming scam is a little scary.

jeffn21 on January 22, 2012 at 7:16 PM

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I understand. I was just engaging in some philosophical ruminations to the effect that space exploration might be one of the few areas where I might see a case for government involvement in the hypothetical situation where we can afford it. I actually think the government should get out of about 90% of what they are currently involved in.

neuquenguy on January 22, 2012 at 7:18 PM

xblade

So, basically, what you’re saying is the democrats can’t wait to tell the American voters that they like to waste taxpayer money by paying people to do nothing?

If it will help them win an election they will say anything. In this case it has the added benefit of being true.

The reality is you don’t even know if they have that card to play

They have other cards to play as well, this is just 1.

because you don’t know how much OR how little he did.

It doesn’t matter. He could have run the company (wouldn’t that be something to brag about) the point is they have the records of what he did, at most they can make it look like do nothing cronyism, (What does a mortgage company need with a million and a half dollar “historian”)at least they can tar him with his association to Freddie and Fanny.

Fannie and Freddie is the least of Newt’s problems.

On that we are agreed, however it’s anther one of his problems.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:19 PM

Yes, the Romney dog food is unacceptable, and the last time anyone was fool enough to vote Willard into office the result was a program of policy functionally identical to ObamaCare, i.e. RomneyCare, with all its new rules, new taxes, its assumptions about using state power to supervise private economic activity to support progressive goals like universal coverage, and its mandates. So there’s that.

casuist on January 22, 2012 at 7:05 PM

Well, while what you said is true, to me it seems like Romney just likes to please whatever he determines the dominant political audience is. In all likelihood if elected he will not want to please the Dems but Karl Rove, which is almost as bad.

We are also not talking about a Romney vs. DeMint contest. Newts conservative failings and general unpredictability have been discussed ad infinitum and don’t need to be rehashed though. It’s just hard for me to ever accept that we have a lib vs. conservative here.

Newt is winning because he is smart enough to figure out that he needs to show he is the fighter and capable of acting on those conclusions. Romney may or not know it, but his personality does not allow him to come out swinging like a maniac which is what the audience wants. The voting public wants a populist fighter not a patrician CEO. That’s all there is really is to that. I mean there is more, but this is why Newt is winning.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:20 PM

The real question is why shouldn’t Mitt Romney drop out?

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:08 PM

Romney lost his “electability”. He’s lost his “inevitability”. And we’ve learned in SC that he’s lost the Tea Party and religious voters. What has Romney “won”? Only moderates and liberals, those with incomes in excess of $200K, those with post-grad education, those who hate the Tea Party and religion…basically Romney has won over elites and Democrats in Iowa, NH, and now in SC. Romney, the favorite son of NH, did win there. But the GOP nomination map does not favor Romney from here on out except for Michigan.

Romney needs to drop out of this race. Today, he looked like he knows this already.

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:21 PM

There was nothing illegal or unethical about “taking money” from Freddie Mac. He provied them a service that they wanted to pay him for. That sounds like capitalism to me, brother.
Dr. Tesla on January 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM

It’s only capitalism if Bain does it. Anyone else earning millions is “unethical”.

angryed on January 22, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Just saw a Fox segment in which Romney blamed Gingrich for forcing house prices to go down in Florida, no kidding.

Not even Obama lies like this.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM

The real question is why shouldn’t Mitt Romney drop out?

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:08 PM

You’re kidding, right? Superior organization aside, all Romney has to do is wait Gingrich out. Any day now, sooner rather than later, Newt will say something *cough* Kenyan colonial worldview *cough* incredibly tin-eared, grandiose, or foolish. Of course, hardcore Gingrich supporters will claim whatever idiotic thing he says *cough* right-wing social engineering *cough* is just part of his spontaneous charm, somehow further evidence of his genius.

troyriser_gopftw on January 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM

What has Romney “won”? Only moderates and liberals, those with incomes in excess of $200K, those with post-grad education, those who hate the Tea Party and religion…basically Romney has won over elites and Democrats

Well he is an elite Democrat so it makes perfect sense.

angryed on January 22, 2012 at 7:25 PM

The vitriol on both the NEWT side and the ROMNEY side has reached a new high tide. I know, because I am part of it…(I’m for Mitt incsae you all missed that}.

I propose that we all make a pledge.

How about we screw all the puntants and wasghington insiders and abandon both candidates, and ALL of us vow to support Rick Santorum. I could live with that. He is predominately conservatrive, relatively little baggage, and seems an honorable man with a fine family. His extreme views on social issues will undoubtably be tempered by the congress and the public. We could do worse. But I cannot abide Newt, and apparently many of you cannot abide Romney.

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Right you are!

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Re.MTLassen

You don’t read so well, do you?

OK, You can cut that out now. I’ve been respectful.

Pointing out your regurgitation of democrat lies, ad nauseum, doesn’t involve denial, sport.

So you are expecting people to just ignore all of this as “lies”. That’s not gong to work in the general election.

Factually challenged, still, I see. That’s a bald-faced lie, but go right ahead and keep spewing democrat shill-points.

So he never stepped down as speaker..

As you’ve now removed all doubt from everyone in this thread that you’re a willfully consistent liar and a complete jerk, my work here is done.

Gee, shockingly you are believing what you want to believe in the face of evidence. No wonder you support Gingrich.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM

OK. I’m gonna say it agaim.

As of now until something changes, I do not care if Newt Gingrich screws the entire membership of the Dallas Cowboys chearleaders on National TV while all 3 of his ex and current wives stand there and watch, and after he finishes turns to camera and says it didn’t happen. He is the only one, I repeat only one, showing any gonads towards the left right now and thus toward the Marxist in Chief. Until that changes he’s got my support.

bgibbs1000 on January 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Anyone but Mitt!

jeffn21 on January 22, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Obama isn’t Mitt.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM

You’re kidding, right? Superior organization aside, all Romney has to do is wait Gingrich out. Any day now, sooner rather than later, Newt will say something *cough* Kenyan colonial worldview *cough* incredibly tin-eared, grandiose, or foolish. Of course, hardcore Gingrich supporters will claim whatever idiotic thing he says *cough* right-wing social engineering *cough* is just part of his spontaneous charm, somehow further evidence of his genius.

troyriser_gopftw on January 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM

What voters has Romney won over in Iowa, NH, and SC? Moderates, liberals incomes above $200K, anti-Tea Party, anti-religious, post-grad education…that’s it! Romney is the favorite amongst the Occupy crowd and Democrats–this won’t win him the GOP nomination. Romney can win blue states in the NE and NW during the GOP race but that’s it.

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:31 PM

How about we screw all the puntants and wasghington insiders and abandon both candidates, and ALL of us vow to support Rick Santorum. I could live with that. He is predominately conservatrive, relatively little baggage, and seems an honorable man with a fine family. His extreme views on social issues will undoubtably be tempered by the congress and the public. We could do worse. But I cannot abide Newt, and apparently many of you cannot abide Romney.

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM

Santorum is the closest to a classic conservative we have in the race, and I don’t think his integrity can be attacked as easily as Newt’s and Mitt’s, I just don’t see him being able to connect with the public, said to say, but some charisma IS necessary for the job. Maybe he will find his voice before it’s too late?

neuquenguy on January 22, 2012 at 7:32 PM

Right you are!

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Thanks my appreciative friend!

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:35 PM

You’re kidding, right? Superior organization aside, all Romney has to do is wait Gingrich out. Any day now, sooner rather than later, Newt will say something *cough* Kenyan colonial worldview *cough* incredibly tin-eared, grandiose, or foolish. Of course, hardcore Gingrich supporters will claim whatever idiotic thing he says *cough* right-wing social engineering *cough* is just part of his spontaneous charm, somehow further evidence of his genius.

troyriser_gopftw on January 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM

If Gingrich fails, I believe enough conservatives will have heard of, and support Santorum before they’ll turn to Romney–particularly with his losing streak he’s about to continue and the fact that he’s been running for 5 years.

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:35 PM

OK. I’m gonna say it agaim.

As of now until something changes, I do not care if Newt Gingrich screws the entire membership of the Dallas Cowboys chearleaders on National TV while all 3 of his ex and current wives stand there and watch, and after he finishes turns to camera and says it didn’t happen. He is the only one, I repeat only one, showing any gonads towards the left right now and thus toward the Marxist in Chief. Until that changes he’s got my support.

bgibbs5000 on January 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 7:35 PM

He is the only one, I repeat only one, showing any gonads towards the left right now and thus toward the Marxist in Chief. Until that changes he’s got my support.

bgibbs1000 on January 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM

This part is true. And people are hungry for that, I don’t know why the other candidates don’t see it or do it. Perhaps they just don’t have it in them.

neuquenguy on January 22, 2012 at 7:36 PM

What voters has Romney won over in Iowa, NH, and SC? Moderates, liberals incomes above $200K, anti-Tea Party, anti-religious, post-grad education…that’s it! Romney is the favorite amongst the Occupy crowd and Democrats–this won’t win him the GOP nomination. Romney can win blue states in the NE and NW during the GOP race but that’s it.

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:31 PM

Romney should just drop out and primary Obama at this rate.

Punchenko on January 22, 2012 at 7:36 PM

I do not care if Newt Gingrich screws the entire membership of the Dallas Cowboys chearleaders on National TV while all 3 of his ex and current wives stand there and watch, and after he finishes turns to camera and says it didn’t happen.

We used to value character, now we are no different from the democrats.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:37 PM

bgibbs5000 on January 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Pay per view?
And will the cheerleaders be in their uniforms?

Its important.

cozmo on January 22, 2012 at 7:38 PM

How about we screw all the puntants and wasghington insiders and abandon both candidates, and ALL of us vow to support Rick Santorum.

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I’ll pass on that, thank you. If anything Sanotorum should drop out.

Punchenko on January 22, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Romney should just drop out and primary Obama at this rate.

Punchenko on January 22, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Finally you said something genuinely funny.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:39 PM

Santorum is the closest to a classic conservative we have in the race, and I don’t think his integrity can be attacked as easily as Newt’s and Mitt’s, I just don’t see him being able to connect with the public, said to say, but some charisma IS necessary for the job. Maybe he will find his voice before it’s too late?

neuquenguy on January 22, 2012 at 7:32 PM

I would not be surprised to see Romney’s FL numbers start to shrink in next 72 hrs and gap close between Romney and Santorum for 2nd place.

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I do not care if Newt Gingrich screws the entire membership of the Dallas Cowboys chearleaders on National TV while all 3 of his ex and current wives stand there and watch, and after he finishes turns to camera and says it didn’t happen.

We used to value character, now we are no different from the democrats.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Look at it this way, if he did that he’d win BOTH California and Nevada, just on the strength of the porn and brothel industries alone.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I do not care if Newt Gingrich screws the entire membership of the Dallas Cowboys chearleaders on National TV while all 3 of his ex and current wives stand there and watch, and after he finishes turns to camera and says it didn’t happen.

We used to value character, now we are no different from the democrats.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Nice selective quote there, while proceeding to talk about character. Typical of how the liberal mind works. I believe I’ll watch all your post now and selectively quote them.

bgibbs1000 on January 22, 2012 at 7:43 PM

And will the cheerleaders be in their uniforms?

Its important.

cozmo on January 22, 2012 at 7:38 PM

Just the tops, and high-heel shoes.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:44 PM

I deliberately waited to comment because I knew just how “passionate” the discussion was going to be in the aftermath of the unexpected and unpredicted trouncing of Mitt Romney.

It is true that SC is in some ways an outlying primary and that the organization and odds are still on the side of Romney getting the nomination. However, Romney can not treat other primaries with the phone-it-in/ I don’t care about your issues that he had with South Carolina.

Romney, to be successful in winning the nomination and general election, needs to start connecting with voters. Dismissing $350K as inconsequential when most Americans make far less was a tactical mistake. Likewise his campaign botched the whole tax return release thing.

But Romney better also know this….. He can dismiss the voters of SC but they sent his campaign a message that will be repeated if he continues to sneer at the grassroots he will need to be elected.

Happy Nomad on January 22, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Just saw a Fox segment in which Romney blamed Gingrich for forcing house prices to go down in Florida, no kidding.

Not even Obama lies like this.

Schadenfreude on January 22, 2012 at 7:24 PM

No, that’s not correct. I saw that segment as well.

Romney questioned Newt’s dealings with Fannie and Freddie, and asked Newt to disclose them. Mitt said that Floridians in particular would be interested in the Fannie/Freddie issue because F/F is in part responsible for the housing collapse in FL. Those Floridians who are underwater or lost their home might want to know Newt’s role with Fannie/Freddie and what advice, if any, he provided.

Philly on January 22, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Look at it this way, if he did that he’d win BOTH California and Nevada, just on the strength of the porn and brothel industries alone.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM

I think Ron Paul has a lock on the whore vote. Gingrich just has a lock on the whores.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Just the tops, and high-heel shoes.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:44 PM

Then forget it. Wiggling out of those hot pants was the important thing.

cozmo on January 22, 2012 at 7:46 PM

We used to value character, now we are no different from the democrats.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:37 PM

You want to know what other part of character we used to value? The character of doing business for profit while working to ensure that everyone you did business with were left better off. It did not work 100%. Failures happen, but it did become part of your character record. What kind of character does someone grant a person who buys a company, hocks it up to its eyeballs in debt and then pays that money out to them self followed by leaving investors to suck up the bankruptcy and inevitable jobs lost which their incompetence caused? I say pretty bad character. To make matters worse, that person later lowers them self to the point that they are willing to illegitimately attack the person bringing up questions about that kind of deal. You’re attacking the entirety of capitalism!

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 7:47 PM

OK, You can cut that out now. I’ve been respectful.

Lol! Another commonly understood word that is apparently lost on you.

So you are expecting people to just ignore all of this as “lies”. That’s not gong to work in the general election.

Nope, you’re projecting there. The attacks are coming. The disappointment is you Romney shills are re-stating Jim Wright apologist garbage as fact in order to get support for your guy. It’s despicable and divisive, but those are other words you don’t seem to understand.

So he never stepped down as speaker..

And yet another example of your capacity for the bait-and-switch. Stepping down and retiring and being removed by his own party, which is what you stated as fact, are two completely different actions.

Gee, shockingly you are believing what you want to believe in the face of evidence. No wonder you support Gingrich.

Lol! again! Ya see, the concept of evidence, sport, means facts, which describes approximately 10% of every claim you have made in this thread. And nice closure with a personal insult to a post you opened with a statement lauding your respectful behavior.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Lulz! You are an amazingly insufferable gas bag. Hahahaha!

MTLassen on January 22, 2012 at 7:47 PM

Nice selective quote there, while proceeding to talk about character. Typical of how the liberal mind works. I believe I’ll watch all your post now and selectively quote them.

bgibbs1000 on January 22, 2012 at 7:43 PM

Putting the whole thing up wouldn’t have made it any less wrong. So hopping on the flavor of the week bandwagon enables you to say that others who aren’t willing to overlook this guys glaring character problems are “liberal”? Are you trying to be ironic? Or are you just trying to go with the group?

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Until that changes he’s got my support.

bgibbs5000

A lot of us here in PA feel the same. Rick is a nice guy, but……

congma on January 22, 2012 at 7:50 PM

We used to value character, now we are no different from the democrats.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:37 PM

Whadda ya mean-we?

congma on January 22, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Then forget it. Wiggling out of those hot pants was the important thing.

cozmo on January 22, 2012 at 7:46 PM

The good news: Newt will be wearing them, and wiggling out of his.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:52 PM

Yikes, SC was worse for Romney than expected…he lost the “woman” vote to Gingrich. Gingrich also won over the “Evangelical” and “Christian” voters.

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 7:53 PM

I think Ron Paul has a lock on the whore vote. Gingrich just has a lock on the whores.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:45 PM

I was actually aware of the Paul endorsement, but Newt is clearly the undisputed stud now.

Igor R. on January 22, 2012 at 7:54 PM

Putting the whole thing up wouldn’t have made it any less wrong. So hopping on the flavor of the week bandwagon enables you to say that others who aren’t willing to overlook this guys glaring character problems are “liberal”? Are you trying to be ironic? Or are you just trying to go with the group?

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 7:49 PM

I haven’t chosen anything in the last week. You don’t know me and you have no idea what you are talking about. You talk about character while at the same time quoting another post out of context. You then proceed to say I have just jumped on the flavor of the week bandwagon with no evidence to back it up. Then you proceed to say that I have said anyone who doesn’t overlook Newt’s character problems are liberal, which I have never said anywhere. Sounds like you have a character flaw to me.

bgibbs1000 on January 22, 2012 at 7:58 PM

l! Another commonly understood word that is apparently lost on you.

Poor fellow, needs to assert how smart he is with every post. OK, Fredo, you are reeeeeal smart for supporting Gingrich because he lashes out at the press, because that’s a winning campaign strategy for about a day.

Nope, you’re projecting there

So psychological projection is another concept you don’t get. check.

The disappointment is you Romney shills are re-stating Jim Wright apologist garbage as fact in order to get support for your guy.

Where did Wright say anything along the lines of what I have written, oh yeah, he didn’t, that makes you a liar.

It’s despicable and divisive, but those are other words you don’t seem to understand.

Because I am not smart enough to hop on the bandwagon and thump my chest…. Oh wait, I see that as insecurity. Your posts ooze of it.

Stepping down and retiring and being removed by his own party, which is what you stated as fact, are two completely different actions.

So his own party had nothing to do with it?

the concept of evidence, sport, means facts, which describes approximately 10% of every claim you have made in this thread.

You are so smart for thinking that Gingrich is an electable conservative, you aren’t being jerked around at all. Feel better about yourself?

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Mitt Romney, the turn around President!

He plans to buy America for approximately $1,000,000,000 and almost all of that money will be coming from outside investors (his super pac buddies). You can consider these people to be his business partners, and they expect to be rewarded handsomely for the risk they are putting into this investment. 900% per year is the old days when talking about private money, when we are talking about tax payer money, they are expecting returns in the 160,000% and more per year. Making a profit is the only thing there is.

Once he gets into the position of power he will appoint his people to certain positions to bring costs down. (Wall street crony capitalists are a great fit here.)

Unfortunately, Romney will begin arguing in his first State of the Union Address that things are far worse than what he was led to believe as he ran for the job. It is an emergency and we are going to need to accomplish some things before we can improve our fiscal picture. First order of business will be modernizing the government infrastructure, so he will go about borrowing $6,000,000,000,000 to $8,000,000,000,000 to do so. (leveraging big time!) Of course, in order to get that kind of money, his partners were called in to do some capital raising, and once they get that done, it is time to pay them some handsome fees. -$500,000,000,000 right off the top…

Funny enough, it turns out that Romney over estimated how much money he is going to need, and he makes a one time dividend to his business partners immediately for -$2,000,000,000,000.

Government workers will all be fired, and the worst of them rehired at reduced pay, and our already low quality of services will be be lowered even more. (The best workers can always go to the private sector, it is always those who are incompetent that stick around through the bad times.)

He will send many of our important jobs overseas, such as defense contracts to the lowest bidder, China. He will then start hiring all his business buddies’ companies to do work for the federal government. They will be menial almost completely meaningless jobs, but the pay will be tremendous, it will not be long before that borrowed money is gone…

Then he will depart the white house and disclaim any responsibility for the looming Bankruptcy of America. (it happened after he left office, most of the decisions were in the hands of his hand picked staff and it is their fault, no one can know the future, all business decisions involve some risk, or it is the new president’s fault but not Romney’s, all those decisions were made while he was on vacation, or more to the Obama light version, it ws the last president and it was the do nothing congress that prevented him from accomplishing anything.)

This is the business experience that he and his team of lawyers want to bring to the White House. Newt Gingrich brought this all to our attention, so we will have no one to blame but ourselves if we decide to elect Romney.

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:08 PM

Where did Wright say anything along the lines of what I have written, oh yeah, he didn’t, that makes you a liar.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:04 PM

Jim Wright apologist does not equal Jim Wright, junior. What a friggin sophomore…..jerking your unhinged chain is too easy. Buh bye, sweety!

MTLassen on January 22, 2012 at 8:09 PM

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 7:47 PM

If you are referring to Bain capital that’s not the case. Companies like Bain provide a valuable service in either cutting up failed companies or resuscitating viable ones. Businesses fail, the products they make become obsolete or they are mismanaged or through any number of reasons. The “legitimate questions” brought up by team Gingrich were declared false by outside observers and were basically out of the mouths of Occupy Wall st. For the record, that’s when Newt lost me. What he was saying was not only untrue (and he knows it’s untrue) but also shows an ignorance of the business cycle that we can’t afford to have in the White House.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Re.MTLassen

Jim Wright apologist does not equal Jim Wright, junior.

Thanks for backpedaling. Did you get enough validation here? Sure, you may be an idiot, but popularity is more important. Right? Wonder if Cain is coming back? Where’s the next bandwagon…

jerking your unhinged chain is too easy…

You’re a jerkoff allright.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:19 PM

If it came out that Newt Gingrich liked to prance around wearing a too-too with a dildo strapped to his forhead while holding a lolipop,I will still vote for him over Obama…..See how open-minded us Conservatives are???!!!!!

Scorched_Earth on January 22, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Newt = McCain
We all know this…

rich801 on January 22, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Except for McCain’s utter lack of eloquence and his absolute refusal to fight, sure they’re exactly the same.

Right Mover on January 22, 2012 at 8:21 PM

If it came out that Newt Gingrich liked to prance around wearing a too-too with a dildo strapped to his forhead while holding a lolipop,I will still vote for him over Obama…..See how open-minded us Conservatives are???!!!!!

Scorched_Earth on January 22, 2012 at 8:19 PM

You haven’t heard? That all came out a week ago. He had to use a 33 inch belt to strap it on, to fit around that massive melon of a head.

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 8:24 PM

Newt = McCain
We all know this…

rich801 on January 22, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Just on debating skills and the ability to put a thought into a statement makes that equation wrong.

Newt > figuratively and substantially than McCain.

Deep Timber on January 22, 2012 at 8:27 PM

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:14 PM

In the words of another poster on this site, I think Rational Thought…

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah… Totally unbiased people who do the same things Romney does argue that Romney was totally honorable, thus exonerating themselves Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah… that is not true because it is something I can imagine Obama or the OWS might say at some point in time, since we do not like them, that means you are wrong Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah… things like Bain provide a good service, that means that they are totally unimpeachable, they can never and I mean NEVER challenged, like ENRON, they are a capitalist enterprise and are thus above reproach, you must be an anti-capitalist! Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah… I was totally in love with Gingrich, until my master Romney created this awesome straw-man, look see it, it is the straw-man of the anti-capitalist, capitalism as we all know is good, so if you attack any aspect of it, like say how Enron ran its business, you are anti-capitalist and must be shut down! Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah…

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Seen on Facebook today “Newt’s Family Values: Using your daughters from your first wife to tell the media that your second wife is lying about your third wife”

Priscilla on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

In the words of another poster on this site, I think Rational Thought…

Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah…

astonerii on January 22, 2012 at 8:28 PM

That seems to be the prevailing counterargument. That ought to get Obama out.

V7_Sport on January 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

Seen on Facebook today “Newt’s Family Values: Using your daughters from your first wife to tell the media that your second wife is lying about your third wife”

Priscilla on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

And this is bad how?

bgibbs1000 on January 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Seen on Facebook today “Newt’s Family Values: Using your daughters from your first wife to tell the media that your second wife is lying about your third wife”

Priscilla on January 22, 2012 at 8:29 PM

Another shining example of Newt’s grandious ideas!

No wonder so many are impressed with the man’s genius!

If the press were to ask him about this, he would scowl feign outrage,,,and roar about how utterly and profoundly despicable the inference was, to the roar of his highly impressed easily duped supporters.

jibjab75 on January 22, 2012 at 8:36 PM

And this is bad how?

bgibbs1000 on January 22, 2012 at 8:34 PM

Oh, yeah, I forgot….Newt supporters don’t care about that family values stuff.

Priscilla on January 22, 2012 at 8:38 PM

He/She is a perfect example of a CONCERN TROLL

I never thought the day would come when we would have different TYPES of trolls.

lol

gerrym51 on January 22, 2012 at 8:42 PM

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