Has this cycle been a Tea Party failure?

posted at 10:35 am on January 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

I get this question a lot, and I see references to it in the comments section here at Hot Air as well.  If the Tea Party had such great success in 2010, why do we have the field of presidential candidates we see now?  Has the Tea Party failed and/or run out of steam?  In my column for The Week, I explain that the answer is no, and that this presidential cycle would be a poor measure in any case:

Consider the impact of the New Left movement in the 1960s. Originally outside of the two-party paradigm, the rise of the New Left created a rift among Democrats during the Vietnam War that led to their disastrous 1968 convention in Chicago and resulted in the election of Richard Nixon, and then his re-election in 1972. The New Left’s absorption into the Democratic Party took years — and arguably, didn’t produce a legitimate presidential nominee until Barack Obama, 40 years after the Chicago convention. It took that amount of time to elect New Left candidates as state legislators, U.S. representatives and senators, and build the seniority and clout to take over the establishment of the Democratic Party, and in many cases, replace moderate Democrats in Congress as well as Republicans.

During those decades, the advocates and activists in this movement maintained pressure on the Democratic Party. They launched think tanks, moved into the leadership of unions, and went into “community organizing,” which is how our current president got his start in politics. They changed the popular culture and media to help make their views more mainstream. Instead of fighting the establishment, the New Left eventually became the establishment in the Democratic Party — so much so that Democrats founded the Democratic Leadership Council in the late 1980s that tried to pull the Democratic Party back to the center, and ended up promoting Bill Clinton for the nomination in 1992 for that very purpose.

The Tea Party got off to a much better and less divisive start in fighting the Republican establishment than the New Left did with the Democratic Party in the 1960s. After less than two years, and without the platforms of academia and the entertainment industry for support, the Tea Party has dozens of House members and a handful of senators beholden to it. Thanks to a few effective anti-incumbent electoral efforts, the Republican establishment has developed at least a healthy respect for Tea Partiers’ grassroots power. However, it will take at least a few more cycles for Tea Party–backed elected officials to grow in number and seniority, which will produce an evolution in the Republican Party — and more Tea Party–style candidates with the requisite experience and support to make legitimate runs for the presidency.

The key to success for the Tea Party is the long view.  Given the spectacular success of 2010, it would be very easy to expect nearly-instant revolution in political thinking, but that’s unrealistic.  The American political process is designed to prevent sharp lunges in any direction; it’s one reason why our political structure has remained stable.  Real change takes decades, not months, as fresh blood and fresh ideas work their way into the mainstream.

The danger in unrealistic expectations is disillusionment, which will bring a halt to that process as people give up on the necessary hard work.  And it’s not difficult to be disillusioned by the choices for the top of the ticket, although I believe that most of the candidates now competing are better than what we have now in the White House, and that this is a better field than four years ago in some respects.  We have to choose one of them for the top of the ticket, but for the Tea Party activists, that’s almost separate from their real work this summer, which is to get more Tea Party-style candidates into Congress and state legislatures around the country.  As that effort builds from cycle to cycle, the Tea Party’s grassroots movement will garner more strength inside the GOP and eventually start producing authentic and electable potential nominees for the presidency.  Meanwhile, the process of gaining strength will make it easier to get a Republican President to stay with the Tea Party agenda of smaller government and economic prosperity.

Don’t get discouraged.  This is a long road, not a sprint.  This cycle won’t be a failure unless we give up before we get started.


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Should I take comfort in the fact that the Tea Party is not, as you say, a monolithic organization? Doesn’t that just mean that, individually, all of its members are culpable (or at least extremely gullible) for the mess we’re about to find ourselves in?

bsclark12 on January 18, 2012 at 11:05 AM

The Tea party ultimately was a last gasp effort at reform by conservatives, and it’s true that we’ve probably failed, but the majority of the blame must be placed at the feet of the Republican establishment and Democrats which have been driving us over the oncoming cliff.

Where the leftists are willing to put aside their differences and work together, we have petty squabbles.

The left all believes in roughly the same thing, they only differ on tactics. The right does not have the same political beliefs. A significant part of our party is socialist and simply argues we will do a better job of managing big government. Remember, it was a Republican that bragged “the era of small government is over!”

Where the leftists will never publicly criticize their own people, we call people on our side Marxists and such crap, without any foundation to boot.

If you’re referring to Romney, sorry, it’s true. His governing record is virtually indistinguishable from that of a liberal democrat. The whole of the Republican party has been lurching leftward for years. Again, these are the guys who bragged after Bush was elected “The era of small government is over!”

The Tea Party is basically a last ditch effort by the base to stop this.

Doomberg on January 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM

The “Tea Party” got Harry Reid re-elected and introduced us to those embarrassments Sharon Angell and Christine O’Donnell (and now RINO Nikki Haley). Retreat, re-group., re-assess, and then come big or stay home.

~(Ä)~

Karl Magnus on January 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM

Paul Ryan is not a TEA party favorite. He’s well known for his voting with establishment republicans, and yay on Obama legislation.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM

..see what I mean?

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM

You mean, the cycle that is still almost a year away from being over? That cycle?

Darksean on January 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM

Could have closed down the thread right there. The current election cycle runs from Nov 2010 to Nov 2012. And the emphasis on tea parties electing the next President is misplaced. They have not yet coalesced or organized into a national Tea Party, with that capability. They haven’t the numbers or political clout to dominate on the national level. But watch how they do locally in November. But if they continue to do well in the states, and in the U.S. Congress, where “all politics is local,” they shouldn’t be accounted a “failure” this cycle. And they’ll wield even more national clout in the next.

And if the GOP presidential candidate is defeated, you’ll probably see them coalesce into the next national political party.

de rigueur on January 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM

“Some think we can fix Washington with a pair of tweezers, nibbling around the edges if you will,” Perry said at a town hall meeting here. “I happen to think we need to take a sledgehammer to it.”

I really don’t know why the liberal media always marginalizes Perry’s campaign/

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM

I agree. Gov. Perry was the best shot the right and Tea Party had at bringing real change to this election. Instead, we’ll get Romney, who is not the most conservative or the most electable.

Instead of a substantive evaluation of candidates platforms and experience, TP allowed itself to fall for “American Idol: GOP edition”. great job guys!

Oh, and by the way, the general election debates don’t matter at all. The narrative has already been written, and Obama declared the victor. All this attention to “who can best debate Obama” is smoke and mirror redirection at best…

bsclark12 on January 18, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Of course, this point is lost on FuriousEd, Dr Evil, asian, and the other screaming ABRers whose motto is “I want instant gratification and I want it NOW!“

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM

So you haven’t read the comments in this thread?

Don’t get discouraged. This is a long road, not a sprint. This cycle won’t be a failure unless we give up before we get started.

That’s what Rick Perry said about his campaign it’s a marathon not a sprint.

But we are an instant gratification society – we can’t wait for anything to materialize. That’s the pressure on the politician they have to put scores up on the board so people can perceive movement in one direction or another. Rick Perry’s Branding could be much better, his campaign team should be giving people reasons to vote for him. Unfortunately today running for President requires a showman.

What did the last congress accomplish with new Tea Party members? Well they produced the least legislation since 1947, passing only 80 Bills. That’s a good start to strangling the government’s hold on the citizens of this country.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 10:46 AM

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM

Huge swaths of the TP are um… Self Employed. And on some days ( it feels more like Self Unemployed. The Prog Agenda and P’BO’s tactics of choice were very much directed at our demographic!

( Has anyone bothered reading the excellent coverage Michelle Malkin has provided on Picking Winners & Losers ) or has that been too much an effort when there’s candidates to pick apart?

So we have businesses AND politics to attend to. Unlike Progs/PEU’s where they use TAXPAYER time & dime to peddle their wares, we have to do it on our OWN time! Oh and you’re all very welcome for 2010 Mid-term Miracle.

We couldn’t have done it without you! Pffftt….

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 11:33 AM

I have been telling everyone the same thing. It took 45 years for us to get this far down the wrong road. It will take many years and election cycles to root out the problem (and embarrassing) legislators and put our country back on track.

GADinSB on January 18, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Then repeat this with me:

RIP America – the once great nation.

While Tea Partiers actively or passively elect RINOs based on “electability” and these RINOs go on to lose to Dems or pave the way for more radical Dems to take over, there will soon not be a country left to put back on track.

The only way was for conservatives/tea partiers to keep voting for candidates that most closely resemble our ideals – eg. Gov. Perry – despite the media/establishment’s mantra of “electability”.

Perry could very well have lost the general, but what if he wins ala Rubio, Lee, etc…?

And should he have lost, we repeat the cycle again until we win.

I have made my personal vow: I will NEVER EVER vote for a RINO again.

I am tired of being backstabbed. I prefer being frontstabbed by Dems – at least I can see them and fight back.

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 11:34 AM

Of course, this point is lost on FuriousEd, Dr Evil, asian, and the other screaming ABRers whose motto is “I want instant gratification and I want it NOW!“

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM

And this is exhibit A on why the USA will go bankrupt in the next couple years. Fiscal conservatism is seen as some kind of “handout” or “gimme” or “toy” that will be “given” to us by our betters if only we are patient enough and ask nicely, instead of the deadly serious matter of national survival that it actually is.

A huge majority of the Republican party simply is never going to take fiscal issues seriously until they actually can’t get their money from the bank.

Doomberg on January 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 11:18 AM

First, it’s arguable that Perry has a “more impressive resume’” but putting that claim aside, he’s an awful candidate who has run an idiotic campaign (“citizen legislatures”? give me a break). Fred Thompson looked good on paper and he was also an awful candidate.

One lesson is that running for President should not be a last minute decision, and ideally potential candidates are planning years in advance. You all can screech that means the person has been “running for x years blah blah blah” but this is the most important job interview in the world and surely we should expect our candidates to have laid the ground work to run a successful campaign, not only to win the nomination, but the White House. Gingrich too has failed miserably at this, and the management of his campaign has been a fiasco from the outset. It takes a lot more than being an awesome debater to win, and then go on to manage the White House/country if elected.

Buy Danish on January 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Here in CA it’s war on the ground for Tea Party people. We are fighting liberal grabs locally (“green” projects, redistricting), regionally (high speed rail, water issues, etc.), and statewide, in elections, legislation and development.

Our local Tea Party website continually gets more registrations, though we haven’t got any press or publicity, and haven’t done any big events for a while.

I’m Tea Party down to the ground, but have spent the last 2 years opposing a big solar power plant in my valley, which has taken most of my time.

So my take is that right now we’re like soldiers fighting hand to hand, not much glory in it, but it has to be done to hold the line. We’re still here, still a force. Even in California.

jodetoad on January 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Oh, and by the way, the general election debates don’t matter at all. The narrative has already been written, and Obama declared the victor. All this attention to “who can best debate Obama” is smoke and mirror redirection at best…

bsclark12 on January 18, 2012 at 11:31 AM

Yep, I concur.

Notice that after Romney/GOP Establishment gamed the primaries by scheduling so many debates to trip up the Not-Romneys, they are now asking for the debates to be whittled down now that it has become a Bash-Romney-Fest.

Funny and pathetic.

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM

The “Tea Party” got Harry Reid re-elected and introduced us to those embarrassments Sharon Angell and Christine O’Donnell (and now RINO Nikki Haley). Retreat, re-group, re-assess, and then come big or stay home.

Karl Magnus on January 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM

..Karl, perhaps a metaphor or microcosm of the current TP favorites running “against” Romney. When they do not garner the votes that their backers here on HA, the more strident ones become shrill and begin to hurl invectives. They pout, stomp their feet, hold their breath, and threaten to take their ball and go home.

No matter the outcome this Fall, I will continue working for THE MOST ELECTABLE CANDIDATE who espouses or adheres to TP principles. Despite the naysayers, we sent 30 new TP members to congress in 2010, elected and took over a lot of the state houses, and have begun unwinding the labyrinthine gerrymandering that the Dems have put in place over the last 50 years. This “farm system” will continue to send state house graduates up against RINOs and Dems for years to come.

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

The TP movement imploded this election cycle. Unable to stop the bitter infighting, we have picked apart every candidate thrown at us for not being pure enough or “slick enough”. We have let the media run the narrative and have picked up their talking points faster than Nancy Pelosi.

“That Rick Perry guy? What an idiot! How the heck did he ever govern a state for 10 years without drooling on himself?”

“Contract with America? Shhh. Let’s not talk about actually getting anything done in Washington.”

“Ol’ Crazy Eyes? She’s a Fundie.”

“Ron Paul? A guy that polls higher among blacks than many of his peers? Raaaaaacist.”

…and on. And on. And on. We DESERVE another 4 years of Barry O. or Barry lite. We brought it on ourselves.

FantomBeats on January 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

The TEA party failed the second it started putting “electabiity” before principals. It also failed because it abandoned the idea of economic liberty (TEA = Taxed Enough Already, not a lipton beverage) and Ron Paul for more of the GOP business as usual.

abobo on January 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM

So my take is that right now we’re like soldiers fighting hand to hand, not much glory in it, but it has to be done to hold the line. We’re still here, still a force. Even in California.

jodetoad on January 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

..ho0w can I help?

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM

The right does not have the same political beliefs. A significant part of our party is socialist and simply argues we will do a better job of managing big government. Remember, it was a Republican that bragged “the era of small government is over!”

Doomberg on January 18, 2012 at 11:29 AM

In the American sense, you can’t be “on the Right” and be socialist. It just doesn’t work that way.

Not every Republican is a conservative. Not every conservative is a Republican.

Judging by their actions, many in the GOP are not “on the Right.”

visions on January 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Paul Ryan is not a TEA party favorite. He’s well known for his voting with establishment republicans, and yay on Obama legislation.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM

..see what I mean?

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM

So you have never looked at Paul Ryan’s voting record?

Paul Ryan voted for TARP 1 and 2
Paul Ryan voted for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act aka Stimulus.
Paul Ryan voted for Auto Bailouts

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:43 AM

Has this cycle been a Tea Party failure?

Answer: That’s what they’d LIKE you to believe.

As some big guy on the radio said: “This is an epic battle”. Those who expected instant results need to take a patience pill. Think incrementally. I know, not as fun or as gratifying as in one fell swoop. It’s gonna take all these little but important battles. Those who come on here and any other site saying “It’s all over – we’re finished” are not doing themselves or anyone else a favor. The good news is, it won’t take 40 years for us as it did for them because of things like the internet, however, it will take more than two election cycles.

GET REAL and Soldier On!

teabone on January 18, 2012 at 11:44 AM

Buy Danish on January 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

Oh, give me a break!

It is not arguable that Perry has a more than impressive resume. His resume beats all in the field.

Pray tell, what exactly is Romney going to run on in the general? His pathetic tenure as Gov. of MA? Or Bain Capital?

I can’t wait to see.

The most “electable” candidate is actually shaping up to be the least “electable” candidate the GOP has ever put forward.

I am actually taking in bets estimating the extent of Romney’s loss to Obama. I believe he will perform more poorly than McCain did.

But we shall see, won’t we?

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

The Tea Party is Local, it is good for creating candidates for Congress. As we saw in Nevada, it is harder, even when you get to a Senate seat for people to agree on a candidate and an agenda.

So, it is not a surprise that the presidential candidates have pockets of support. Also, if I am in the spirit of the Tea Party, I don’t want someone telling me who to vote for. I want to decide for myself. That doesn’t work so well on the grand scale of a national campaign.

Here is what the Tea Party does well: sends local candidates to the House of Representatives. Where the spending originates, Theoretically. A challenge for them, it is work out the problems with their local parties (GOP, Conservative, Libertarian) to figure out a mutual goal for the 2012 Senate races. If they don’t everyone will lose. Why did Nevada hurt so much? because we ended up with Harry Reid.

Scheme, my friends, and give in on one thing to get another, if you have to, compromise with other conservatives or you will have to live under more liberal Senate foot dragging, and NONE of the presidential candidates can overcome that stonewall, unless like Obama they are willing to play outside of the rules.

That’s not for me.

Fleuries on January 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM

Paul Ryan is not a TEA party favorite. He’s well known for his voting with establishment republicans, and yay on Obama legislation.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM

He’s a big talker but his record doesn’t back it up.

FloatingRock on January 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM

To all the critics of the Tea-Party, wait until this summer.

vietvet68 on January 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM

The most “electable” candidate is actually shaping up to be the least “electable” candidate the GOP has ever put forward.

Electable is just a code word for “left wing.” It’s also an excuse for why they lost. “He was so electable! I guess no one could have beaten Obama this year! Next year I guess we’ll just have to run Hillary Clinton as a Republican.”

Doomberg on January 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Long view. Pbst. Long view is what losers comfort themselves with.

bsclark12 on January 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Yeah, if I can’t have everything I want handed to me immediately with minimal work I’ll take my ball and go home.

Oh, and why aren’t you guys more serious and effective with supporters who are just like me and really serious about changing things if it can be done simply, easily, without inconveniencing me much, and done rapidly because my shows are coming on soon?

Ok… now why are you laughing? Are you laughing at me?

I’d be mad… but as I said the new reality shows are on TV now so I’ve got to go.

gekkobear on January 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 11:45 AM

It is not arguable that Perry has a more than impressive resume. His resume beats all in the field.

Dream on.

But we shall see, won’t we?

Yes indeed. Mr. 4% with the best resume’ evah is going to surge any day now.

Buy Danish on January 18, 2012 at 11:51 AM

To all the critics of the Tea-Party, wait until this summer.

vietvet68 on January 18, 2012 at 11:49 AM

Why, what are they going to do, rally behind the big-gov corporatist dude that supported the Wall Street TARP bailout and invented Obamacare? The tea party is going to flip flop?

FloatingRock on January 18, 2012 at 11:52 AM

Tparty and conservatives have seen that the whole system is so corrupt, they have thrown in the towel. For this reason, if Romney is the nominee, conservatives in large numbers will stay home.

If those principled “conservatives” decide to pout at home rather than to elect the best person running for president (0 vs Romndy), then they will have exactly what they deserve. Four more years of 0 would be disastrous, and the SCOTUS would be a scourge to our constitution for a long time after 0 is gone. Romney, although lacking, would at least not be destructive, and with a conservative congress, he could be led to do the right thing most of the time.

Letting the perfect be the enemy of the good is childish and destructive. Take the half a loaf.

iurockhead on January 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM

There doesn’t need to be a national movement, ala civil rights or whatever for grass roots to be able to identify candidates who share their ideas and principles. That’s an individual determination that each and every Tea Partier should have EASILY been able to make…and in doing so they all FAILED.

bsclark12 on January 18, 2012 at 11:26 AM

Hmmm…

There doesn’t need to be a national movement

you realize how ridiculous that is? In order to elect a candidate of course there has to be a national movement that takes money and organiztion to elect a President.
And how do you know that the grass roots didn’t “identify” candidates? When the field is as large as it was, was it possible for any one candidate to garner all the support? No, you still have to blame the candidates. If Bachmann, Cain, Pawlenty, Perry, even Palin had individually garnered enough support they would be a contender. And even though they had support, because the field was so fractured it spread it too thin. It happens, perhaps it isn’t anyone’s fault. I think you want to blame someone and the Tea Party movement is a handy scapegoat.
The Tea Party movement has had many successes in local and state and even national government. But if you wanted an over-night success it isn’t going tm happen, especially not in politics. Even Obama was being groomed long before he officially announced and he had some major support like Ted Kennedy.
Oh, and as for Ron Paul, his supporters don’t bring hinm down, he does that all on his own. They only suppoert what he himself says.

I’m not going to continue to debate because I have work to do. But once again…Have you supported any candidate in any way other than posting on the internet or talking about it? Apparently not, since you didn’t answer my question earlier. It’s easy to criticize and sit back and watch. JMO Have a nice day.

Deanna on January 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM

Here in CA it’s war on the ground for Tea Party people. We are fighting liberal grabs locally (“green” projects, redistricting), regionally (high speed rail, water issues, etc.), and statewide, in elections, legislation and development…

jodetoad on January 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

We are trying to do the same in Illinois. The local establishment Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. Joining them right now, to me, is out of the question.

We are fighting assessments and tax levies. We are trying to keep the goings on of the local school boards transparent and honest. We are working to expose the games going on with public pensions (by both Republicans and Democrats). We are learning about massive voter fraud in Illinois and how best to prevent it. It will be a while before we can affect change on a national level.

*Ahem*

I mean, yeah, Tea Party? What Tea Party?…

Fallon on January 18, 2012 at 11:54 AM

Paul Ryan is not a TEA party favorite. He’s well known for his voting with establishment republicans, and yay on Obama legislation.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:28 AM

He’s a big talker but his record doesn’t back it up.

FloatingRock on January 18, 2012 at 11:47 AM

The thing is Ryan doesn’t portray himself as belonging to the TEA party faction of the republican party or even leaning in that direction. He’s a policy wonk, he’s happy to do his thing for his party. But he’s firmly in establishment republican territory -Status Quo.

I thought the democrat ad with the old lady in the wheel chair being pushed off the cliff was unfair, but that’s the lengths the progressive left will go to – to scare the herd.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 11:57 AM

TheRightMan said:

It is not arguable that Perry has a more than impressive resume. His resume beats all in the field.

Oh you mean Gardisil Rick!? If by “not arguable” you mean *Mandating* pre-teen school girls get mandatory screening to implement a basically UNTESTED drug ( unless of course their parents choose to “opt out” ) then you’re right, it’s not arguable.

When Tea Party members start getting paychecks from you guys, maybe you can have a say in how WE run things. Unlike legions of Dimaprogican operatives, we’re an all volunteer force. Likely grandparents and Guard members to boot. Just a tad busy…

Why don’t you and bsclark just get a room already? Although I suspect you’re one in the same.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 11:59 AM

how is it a mandate when there was a method to opt out?

chasdal on January 18, 2012 at 12:03 PM

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 11:59 AM

You think you are the voice of the TEA party movement of the United States? I didn’t know that the movement organized, and elected a spokesperson/

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Deanna on January 18, 2012 at 11:53 AM

+10k my dear.

After the Mid’s, I was exhausted. I worked on several campaigns, attended countless events and worked the phones -after- I closed up shop.

The Tea Party detractors remind me of the drunk guy in the back of the bar screaming “Play Freebird!”. Screw ‘em.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:06 PM

Buy Danish on January 18, 2012 at 11:35 AM

i just love it when nimrods like you ding perry for things liek his part time legislature idea. it just shows you arent a conservative by any means. attacking a guy for trying to reduce govt shows you have bought into big govt and your guy willard will continue down that road if elected. times like this the mask falls and you expose yourself.

chasdal on January 18, 2012 at 12:09 PM

Absolutely right. It takes times to take over a political party. The Tea Party always knew their biggest challenge would be the Republican Establishment. I also might add, that many Tea Partiers have become delegates and are very active in both local and national campaigns, which gives them more influence within the Party, as well as in the Party Platform.

lea on January 18, 2012 at 12:11 PM

chasdal,

How about a method for opting IN!? This isn’t like sending your kid home w/ a Permission Slip to go to the museum. Read up on it. Rick had a cozy relationship w/ Merck thru a staffer. Oh and Merck made contributions to his campaign. Talk about Drug Co. profits the size of Texas. Can you say Exclusive Contract Provider?

Medical impacts aside, here’s another drug that causes as many issues as it resolves and Rick armpit deep Picking Winners & Losers. No thanks.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Nicki Haley endorsed Mitt Romney and is currently enjoying a 34% approval rating. Given the TEA party support for her campaign for Governor in South Carolina I would say the TEA party has soured on her. The TEA party giveth the TEA party taketh away? I don’t know ask Scott Brown (R) Massachusetts he sure had an easier time raising campaign money when the TEA party backed him.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM

No matter the outcome this Fall, I will continue working for THE MOST ELECTABLE CANDIDATE who espouses or adheres to TP principles. Despite the naysayers, we sent 30 new TP members to congress in 2010, elected and took over a lot of the state houses, and have begun unwinding the labyrinthine gerrymandering that the Dems have put in place over the last 50 years. This “farm system” will continue to send state house graduates up against RINOs and Dems for years to come.

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

This.

YehuditTX on January 18, 2012 at 12:13 PM

You think you are the voice of the TEA party movement of the United States? I didn’t know that the movement organized, and elected a spokesperson/

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

How did you possibly GLEAN that from what I said? Another comment like that and I’ll be yelling Freebird.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM

I think this is the best answer to the Eeyores who want instant gratification:

“Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.” (And, of Late, the Dumbest)

Hot Air should make a post out of this.

YehuditTX on January 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM

No Cash From Conservatives
Could former Tea Party favorite Scott Brown miss out on some outside conservative support during his reelection fight?

I wonder what Karl Rove’s plan is to make up Brown’s Senate seat?

The Republicans want to take back the Senate, they need every seat they can get. They are effectively producing no coat tails for anyone to ride with a moderate from Massachusetts. Not to mention what the Virginia ballot decisions effect is going to have on George Allen’s Campaign for the U.S. Senate, he kind of needs the Republican turn out to be high.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:19 PM

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:12 PM

your so full of crap, merck didnt contributet much relatively and as for “exclusive contract provider” uh, its called a patent. merck invented the drug and they get a patent to have a protected amount of time to benefit from their invention. twenty states now require the vaccine. and its is safe, it does not cause retardation no matter what bachman may think

chasdal on January 18, 2012 at 12:21 PM

You think you are the voice of the TEA party movement of the United States? I didn’t know that the movement organized, and elected a spokesperson/

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

How did you possibly GLEAN that from what I said? Another comment like that and I’ll be yelling Freebird.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Tardasil Victim?

When Tea Party members start getting paychecks from you guys, maybe you can have a say in how WE run things. Unlike legions of Dimaprogican operatives, we’re an all volunteer force. Likely grandparents and Guard members to boot. Just a tad busy…Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:21 PM

How did you possibly GLEAN that from what I said? Another comment like that and I’ll be yelling Freebird.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM

I can’t hear you “say” anything, I can only read what you are typing.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:23 PM

Tea Party members are alive and well. No one told me yet to disband, because I report to a higher power. As we get closer to November, our voices will rise, then watch as RINOs leave the sinking ship. For those who think all is lost, don’t give up, but get involved, join a party because it does not matter, speak truth to lies, act with integrity, love your children and your country. Love ya too, Sgt Pete

SgtPete on January 18, 2012 at 12:24 PM

Long view. Pbst. Long view is what losers comfort themselves with.

bsclark12 on January 18, 2012 at 10:44 AM

I really hate this “Let’s all roll over and die” attitude.

I’ve heard the wailing every time there’s a setback, every time a Tea Party candidate loses, every time there’s a refutation of conservative principles.

Remember the Left did not start out monolithic either. They didn’t come onto the political scene fully formed and ready to take on the world at first. And remember, they had some assistance: they were aided (or taken over, more accurately) by the CPUSA, who has had decades to hone their platform and message, and who gave them direction as to tactics and ways to insinuate themselves into the political process.

This to me is what the Tea Party movement is up against: a Left who is now fully formed and in place, while the Tea Party movement is just beginning. I’m all for the Tea Party to start (or continue) create strategies to advance conservative principles as a long term plan, in as many and in as varied ways as we can. No, it won’t happen overnight. But look at the Left: they have (and have had) infinite patience to advance their platform. We need to keep our eyes on the goal, take a page from their book and do the same.

PatriotGal2257 on January 18, 2012 at 12:26 PM

i just love it when nimrods like you ding perry for things liek his part time legislature idea. it just shows you arent a conservative by any means. attacking a guy for trying to reduce govt shows you have bought into big govt and your guy willard will continue down that road if elected. times like this the mask falls and you expose yourself.
chasdal on January 18, 2012 at 12:09 PM

LOL. Whatever dude. You go right ahead and push the unworkable “citizen legislature” idea and brag about what a super duper conservative you are, and I’ll stick with the guy who has has a brilliant career as a CEO, and knows how to get on the ballots in every state.

Buy Danish on January 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

The Tea Party died the day after the 2010 mid-terms when Fox stopped promoting it and the Republican party began the process of weeding it out and playing against it to soften its power, capabilities, and cohesion. We were only ever a temporary tool to them and the absolute lack of a national level event taking place since then should be evidence of how little power, capability, and influence the Tea Party ever really had.

They needed opposition so the democrats wouldn’t be allowed to govern. They used us. Built us up. Got a few new seats. Then started to try to weed us out.

The Tea Party was never alive. It was merely a temporary manipulation. And we’ve outlived our usefulness to them.

Boomer_Sooner on January 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

BTW just wait until Obama drops his trillion-dollar homeowner bailout plan. The first mortgage bailout was what prompted Rick Santelli to make his original call for a new Tea Party. This one will be even bigger and badder, and will triple the eventual taxpayer liabilities of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Obama thinks this is a political winner. If the Tea Party is still out there, it will cost him the election.

rockmom on January 18, 2012 at 12:38 PM

chasdal said:

uh, its called a patent.

And what better a way to roll it out than thru our Old Pal RICK! Um… at the time there was only 8 months of ‘clinical study’. Oh, sponsored BY Merck. It was a fast track approval to get it cattle prodded thru before the voters knew enough to object. Get real.

But it’s for the kiddies don’t you know! Picking Winners & Losers. LIVE with it.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM

The TP movement imploded this election cycle. Unable to stop the bitter infighting, we have picked apart every candidate thrown at us for not being pure enough or “slick enough”.

FantomBeats on January 18, 2012 at 11:40 AM

The TEA party failed the second it started putting “electabiity” before principals. It also failed because it abandoned the idea of economic liberty (TEA = Taxed Enough Already, not a lipton beverage) and Ron Paul for more of the GOP business as usual.

abobo on January 18, 2012 at 11:41 AM

I’ll respectfully disagree that it failed, although I understand the sentiment. Look, the 2010 cycle was a wake up call to the Donkeys and to the establishment GOP. Change was on the horizon. To me, establishment GOP saw this as a real near-term threat to their status quo, and had to address it very quickly… this cycle. Because, if the TP gains a real national voice or gets credit for putting a candidate in the WH, then game over. The Donkeys have the luxury of sitting back and let the establishment GOP do their dirty work. If the establishment GOP can’t abate the TP rise from within their ranks, then the Donkeys can take on the next effort to discredit. All the while, their lapdogs from the LSM continue to nip at the edges.

So, to prevent this short-term threat to their status quo, the establishment GOP has been doing everything in their power to prevent a TP-type candidate from rising up, which is why they lay down with the “electability” crowd. It’s their best way to stave off the rise of the TP.

This is why I believe the TP’s next fight will be an internal fight with the national GOP folks and its leadership. Boehner and Co are impotent. They are terrible negotiators, and they stand for nothing, except the status quo. They think it was heavy-lifting to provide us with the debt ceiling deal that we received. Let’s face it, it was a terrible deal. It accomplished nothing. These same folks don’t give a rip about Obamacare. It’s more power to the gov’t, and therefore, more power to them.

It’s sad to say, but I really don’t give a rip about the WH right now. I’d rather have BHO in charge when it all collapses, than have Romney in WH going along with the status quo. I think the real fight has to be taken to the GOP leadership structure, and they need to be forcibly removed from office and shamed.

Neo-con Artist on January 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

You think you are the voice of the TEA party movement of the United States? I didn’t know that the movement organized, and elected a spokesperson.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:04 PM

How did you possibly GLEAN that from what I said? Another comment like that and I’ll be yelling Freebird.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:16 PM

“..I am Spartacus!”

Amen, Marshall. But we should know our place. I am guessing that we have forgotten that the guardianship of the tenets of the TP movement are held by the precious few snarling, obdurate, intransigent types like Doc and FumingEd and the other elite conservative intelligentsia here on HG.

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Dr. Evil,

Cute distinction. And here I thought blogging was about all the urgency and comfort of a normal conversation as if we were face to face? Perhaps we’ll write you a snail mail letter sometime?

And nice straw distraction while you’re at it. Most TP chapters get what little funding they DO have locally. Last check there’s about a dozen paid staff coast-to-coast. The rest of us do it out of love of country.

But it’s perfect ‘acceptable’ for you to appoint yourself as National Tea Party Slam Person? Some days it’s hard to figure out which party finds us more threatening?

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:39 PM

Pray tell, oh Grand Marshall of Tea Partiers, how does Perry’s Gardasil EO disqualify him from Tea Party support despite his overall record but Romney’s authorship of Romneycare – the precursor to Obamacare – and horrible overall record qualify him for support?

If that is a measure of how smart your version of the Tea Party is, then count me out.

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

It’s sad to say, but I really don’t give a rip about the WH right now. I’d rather have BHO in charge when it all collapses, than have Romney in WH going along with the status quo. I think the real fight has to be taken to the GOP leadership structure, and they need to be forcibly removed from office and shamed.

Neo-con Artist on January 18, 2012 at 12:41 PM

..yeah, but a lot of us do. And we come from all over the political spectrum. We want The Pantload ejected. That said, we also want the GOP deconstructed and re-made. We just want that to happen beginning on 21 JAN 2013 7 NOV 2012.

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

But it’s perfect ‘acceptable’ for you to appoint yourself as National Tea Party Slam Person? Some days it’s hard to figure out which party finds us more threatening?

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

Nope, your logic hardly makes you threatening. It rather makes you a laughing stock.

Perry – bad.

Romney – good.

When Romney loses to Obama in the fall, please invite him to be the main speaker at your tea party event. I am sure he will honor the invitation – with his pal McCain – and will talk about how you’ve all been good “hobbits”.

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

The Tea Party was never alive. It was merely a temporary manipulation. And we’ve outlived our usefulness to them.

Boomer_Sooner on January 18, 2012 at 12:30 PM

I have no doubt that the establishment republicans agenda was to ride the TEA party “Dragon” to victory in 2010, and now marginalize the movement to protect their power base in 2012 their financial oligarchy.…but taming Dragons isn’t that easy. People like Glenn Beck woke people up, and they aren’t going back to sleep. It doesn’t take membership in a movement to vote for the same exact small government agenda now. We all know we are out here even if people aren’t attending rallies. Where’s the proof? Wouldn’t Romney have already gained the conservative support for his candidacy otherwise? Even after TEA party brand Nikki Haley endorsed him? I guess that’s why she’s polling so high in South Carolina with 34% approval :)

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 12:57 PM

..yeah, but a lot of us do.

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 12:50 PM

I hear ya’, WP. I’m glad there’s a lot of you out there that do. I’m just in the group now that would cut off my nose just to spite my face. Lol. It’s still a long way to go before November. I just don’t see someone with enough stones to make real change.

Unfortunately, I think the nomination of Romney would gives motivation for the national GOP group and their leadership structure to follow the status quo, and it will make the change much more difficult.

Neo-con Artist on January 18, 2012 at 1:00 PM

But it’s perfect ‘acceptable’ for you to appoint yourself as National Tea Party Slam Person? Some days it’s hard to figure out which party finds us more threatening?

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

You are rambling now. Is this a side of effect of the Tardasil shots?

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM

Pffftt, you three really DO specialize in Straw-by-the-TON don’t you? Never been a Romney supporter and ‘I’ personally don’t know any TP’s that are?

When Rick burst on the scene of an already crowded field he just assumed TP support. Given the manner in which he ram rodded G’sil thru, I fail to see any distinction between those methods and BHO’s? You could even say he was ahead of the curve.

Even if they were giving away gold bricks to student’s parents, it’s just not how we do things here in America. Bad precedent all the way around. Oh and thanks for not calling me Grand Marshall!

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 1:04 PM

Perhaps we’ll write you a snail mail letter sometime?Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 12:48 PM

We’ll? What do you have a mouse in your pocket?

I hardly need some noob on a blog thread sending me TEA Party literature.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I am a supporter of Romney, and I tend to also support tea party views. I know many here will attack me for saying that. If the tea party had offered a better candidate that could actually win, I would have supported that candidate, over Romney.But I would make the case that Romney will be a far better president than most expect, and will help the conservatives secure and add to their positions in his tenure. He will nominate Bork approved judges. No one has supported tea party candidates more than Romney.

Its time for tea party members to return the favor and get behind Mitt. I am convinced that his heart is in the right place, and that tp sceptics will find they were wrong to doubt him.

jibjab75 on January 18, 2012 at 1:07 PM

The answer, is that the size and effect of the Tea Party was always wildly overrated in the first place.

So, when people revisit it now, there isn’t much there. It’s just right wing Occupy. It had it’s media moment and then it faded away. A mostly negative media moment while Occupy got nothing but hugs.

I want Occupy to come back enough for a riot in Charlotte this summer, though. I’m kind of looking forward to that. Popcorn time.

Moesart on January 18, 2012 at 1:10 PM

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM

I love comments like yours because you can hide your preferred candidate so they can’t be picked apart piece by piece while still knocking the one with the best chance of winning.

Are you a Democrat?

scotash on January 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM

You are rambling now. Is this a side of effect of the Tardasil shots?

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 1:01 PM

If that isn’t a self-appointed ( self important statement ) I don’t know what the hell is? Way to do The Professional Left’s dirty work FOR them! Way to Win Friends & Influence People!

You do realize the use of the term Tardisil is the very same tactic Regressives used when referring to us as teab@ggers correct? I’m sure in your mind the end justifies the means.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM

The Tea Party ceased to exist when they started endorsing big government progressives like Newt and Romney. The tea party is meant to be about low taxes, small government and less spending. Only one candidate represents those values and that’s Ron Paul. If you support Newt or Mitt over Ron Paul then you’re not a tea partier. Period.

steve123 on January 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM

You do realize the use of the term Tardisil is the very same tactic Regressives used when referring to us as teab@ggers correct? I’m sure in your mind the end justifies the means.Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 1:12 PM

What is obvious – you are thread baiting a TEA party thread for attention. Everyone reading your comments knows there is a name for that.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 1:19 PM

The Tea Party ceased to exist when they started endorsing big government progressives like Newt and Romney. The tea party is meant to be about low taxes, small government and less spending. Only one candidate represents those values and that’s Ron Paul. If you support Newt or Mitt over Ron Paul then you’re not a tea partier. Period.

steve123 on January 18, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Yes but which TEA party endorsed them? There is no central TEA party. There is no national leader or organization just a movement. It’s easy enough to play fast and loose with the TEA party label. Which I would expect anyone running for the Presidency to try and use. The TEA party brought about the biggest seat change in 70 years.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 1:23 PM

I hardly need some noob on a blog thread sending me TEA Party literature.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 1:06 PM

‘Noob’? Try again. Started blogging The Housing Bubble going back to 2003. In fact we well predicted the economic meltdown that would ultimately LEAD to The Rise of Teh Wun. Co-founded several Econ blogs actually.

Any objective reader can easily sense your outright contempt not only for TP’s, but other people in general.

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 1:23 PM

What is obvious – you are thread baiting a TEA party thread for attention. Everyone reading your comments knows there is a name for that.

Dr Evil on January 18, 2012 at 1:19 PM

Yeah, we all live for ‘your’ attention. God you’re full of yourself. And still, you refuse to address but rather deflect anything put, said, posed, politely couched or written to you?

Dr. Evil, putting the Dance in Avoidance!

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM

OK, but how is the coffee party going?

And while we’re at it, let’s see if the OWS movement has as big an impact on the 2012 elections as the Tea Party did on the 2010 elections. My guess is afterwards we won’t hear much about it.

Scrappy on January 18, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Unfortunately, I think the nomination of Romney would gives motivation for the national GOP group and their leadership structure to follow the status quo, and it will make the change much more difficult.

Neo-con Artist on January 18, 2012 at 1:00 PM

..firstly, thank you for the civil response. I would agree with you to the extent that Romney does NOT make inroads into repealing ObamaCare and cutting spending. I hope that will NOT be the case — i.e., he pleasantly surprises us.

Please recognize that freely admit that I have a very bad case of ODS and just want that incompetent charlatan out of our house. I will work for and vote for ANY GOP nominee to accomplish that goal. I want to excise the tumor, THEN cure the gallstones.

After the election (or, more appropriately, the EJECTION) I will be joining you at the barricades and we can begin a mutual effort to tear down the GOP and remake it on the image all we TPers desire. If not, then I will be right there ahead of you, old son, in the registration line for the new third party. And I will work for that with blood, sweat, and sinew!

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Marshall_Will on January 18, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Don’t let him off the hook, Marshall!

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 1:36 PM

I love comments like yours because you can hide your preferred candidate so they can’t be picked apart piece by piece while still knocking the one with the best chance of winning.

Are you a Democrat?

scotash on January 18, 2012 at 1:11 PM

I guess you are new to this forum and I also presume you did not read my earlier comments on this same thread.

It is no secret that I am a staunch supporter of Gov. Perry and I find this thread funny and pathetic.

After Ed and the rest of the conservative media contributed in the active or passive takedown of Gov. Perry (the only candidate embodying Tea Party values) – and continue to ignore him – they are now trying to lift the morale of the Tea Party and convince them that this cycle has not been a failure.

Try selling that to kids.

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM

..firstly, thank you for the civil response. I would agree with you to the extent that Romney does NOT make inroads into repealing ObamaCare and cutting spending. I hope that will NOT be the case — i.e., he pleasantly surprises us.

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 1:35 PM

No prob. And I agree with the sentiment in getting BHO out of the WH. But, I have very strong reservations (similar to other folks on this thread) about the real “electability” of Romney. I think it’s overstated.

Neo-con Artist on January 18, 2012 at 2:42 PM

The key to success for the Tea Party is the long view. Given the spectacular success of 2010, it would be very easy to expect nearly-instant revolution in political thinking, but that’s unrealistic.

I agree with you Ed. However, we do not have 40 years to turn back the tide. I’m leaning more and more towards an economic collapse and civil war or balkanization as being inevitable.

oryguncon on January 18, 2012 at 3:14 PM

I’m good with a moderate Presidential candidate to capture the middle in a national election. The Tea Party needs to focus on the local elections and put tea party candidates in Congress to continue to advance the cause, cut spending, etc. and the R President can just sign the bills we put in front of him.

DCnative on January 18, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Establishment Republican failure – yes.
TEA Party failure – no.
The TEA Party has not yet gotten enough people elected to be able to push their agenda with the necessary amount of force (Congressional votes). Were there some mistakes in candidate selection – yes, of course – especially with Dems trying to infiltrate with Manchurian candidates.
The 2010 election was a start, but just a start. If they stay focused on their principles and goals, and do a better job of candidate selection and screening, 2012 could be the tipping point to start changing the establishment Republican party.

dentarthurdent on January 18, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Try selling that to kids.

TheRightMan on January 18, 2012 at 1:39 PM

You keep making excuses for Perry. But the fact of the matter is the candidate earns support, not the other way around. It doesn’t matter who the candidate is, if he or she fails to gain support from someone the candidate and/or his/her campaign is to blame. Plenty of candidates in the past have overcome much more than Perry or Pawlenty or Bachmann or whomever. Perry is willing to accept that, as he should, and so should you. Blaming will not get a candidate elected.

Deanna on January 18, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I generally agree with Ed’s viewpoint. It does take time. In my local tea party we have pursued a local focus since 2010. Immediately after the election we had a series of after action assessments. Then we had several months of guest speakers discussing “how to run for office.” In the fall we hosted debates for local elections and issues. Initially it was difficult to get the local candidates to appear at tea party meetings. Now, not so much (and this is California, folks)
I don’t remember such clarity and dedication in the 60′s. The tea party is very much alive.

bob4096 on January 18, 2012 at 4:31 PM

Instead of a substantive evaluation of candidates platforms and experience, TP allowed itself to fall for “American Idol: GOP edition”. great job guys!

Who let that happen? Let’s see…those who listen to the MSM and let fear run their day. I will not, can not be driven to vote for RINO Mitt by anyone. Try it, it feels really good. Be an adult and make up your own mind for a frickin change. Sorry gettin a bit ticked at the sheeple. Nice day!

landowner on January 18, 2012 at 4:33 PM

At over $1,500,000,000,000 per year added to the debt, we don’t have 40 years. Heck, we may not have ten.

Theophile on January 18, 2012 at 4:51 PM

ho0w can I help?

The War Planner on January 18, 2012 at 11:42 AM

Please get involved with True the Vote, we all can participate

http://www.truethevote.org/

beacon on January 18, 2012 at 6:33 PM

I cannot share the multiple tasks we TEA Party members have been working on, but I believe you will see a more focused, task oriented movement this summer.

My own personal preference is for us to do some protests of the 0bamaGanda Media, but that remains a bit difficult when taking the logistics into consideration.

A lot of fire has been aimed our way due to our recent successes in the 2010 election cycle. I expect to see much more as we continue to hit our targets with the same devastating effect.

I wonder why I never see Ron Paul supporters at our events . . .

DannoJyd on January 19, 2012 at 2:16 AM

A lot of these comments remind me of the story about the blind men describing an elephant. Each of you see the tea party movement as you’re own preference would have it. As the name suggests, the movement was all about stopping the out of control spending and deficits. They were successful because they managed to unite a lot of people with diverse political views behind a drive to turn the federal government around.

But in what should be the biggest victory for the movement, all the old cranks in the GOP started laying claim to speaking for the Tea Party and it lost its cohesion as people began throwing around the RINO epithet. The worst thing was the fiction that Romney isn’t a conservative, a Christian. I’ve been amazed at how hardened so many of you have become against giving him any kind of a look. You never settled on a good candidate and settled not on the one most likely to beat Obama but only on which Not Romney could stop Mitt. Thus you have ended up supporting Newt. If anyone can claim it’s his turn, it would be Newt. He took you all in by having the knack of knowing what you all want to hear and playing your champion against the news media, the less civil the better. Now people are contorting their ethics to excuse all his sins on the grounds that he and Callista have repented and been forgiven. I was willing to give him chance but when his surge plummeted he returned to his old form and out of spite and arrogance he lashed out with attacks on Mitt’s wealth. That demonstrated that he didn’t really have the cool head and good sense he claimed and that he has been all along, a hypocrite, petulant, vain and wrathful when he doesn’t get what he wants. He champions family values, but he doesn’t really know what those are only how go simulate them. His ethics lapses, his lavish spending, his lies, his connections with lobbyist firms and his adulteries all illustrate how he behaves when his has power.

The last one we should vote for is yet another legislator. They’re professional compromisers and think in terms of new programs and building influence. Note how both Newt, Rick and Ron all decry Washington insiders when they’re all creatures of Congress.

If you really want to cut spending go with the turnaround specialist, the one who knows what it takes to get the economy working without increasing spending and balancing budgets without raising taxes. We heard the Democrats’ attacks on him out of the mouths of our tea party poseurs. If someone as able as he or even close to it (Mitch Daniels, Haley Barbour, or some other experienced executive had run (and weren’t as flawed as Donald Trump or Herman Cain) I wouldn’t be pushing so hard for Mitt, but that not my point.

The reason I feel that the tea party movement is falling to pieces is that it seems to want to exclude many of the people who helped making it successful. Those who have become its face seem to be more interested in being spoilers and finding conspiracies than in building a bigger movement. It won’t get anywhere without real cohesiveness and a generous spirit. When I saw Palin’s endorsement of Gingrich so as to keep the debates going longer, I thought, “Would she be saying that if she were running?” Then I thought, “If this is her idea of how to run the party, I’m very happy she’s on the sidelines.”

flataffect on January 19, 2012 at 2:28 PM

The TEA Party has not yet gotten enough people elected to be able to push their agenda with the necessary amount of force (Congressional votes).

dentarthurdent on January 18, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I beg to differ. This is probably one of the only sessions in the history of Congress where tax increases were NOT on the table at any time. That is not due to the establishment Republicans, it’s due to the freshman class. The establishment is now trying to distance themselves and muzzle them but we will not be denied….one seat at a time.

We made remarkable progress in the past two years – House, Governorships, State Houses, local elections and on and on. In my county every single incumbent was tossed out of office, including a lot of Republicans, and replaced with TP candidates. Don’t forget the three swings and misses by the radical Progressives in Wisconsin.

None of us became RINOS or Progressives after the 2010 elections. I will support the POTUS nominee 100% although I am not happy with any of the contenders. One day the contenders will be TP people. Not this cycle. But soon. Count on it.

jb34461 on January 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

jb34461 on January 19, 2012 at 4:08 PM

I agree with you about the impact all over the country at all levels. My main point is that it’s a good start, and absolutely NOT a failure, and if we can get more in this year we can do a much better job of making the TP agenda happen. All I was saying was that the roughly 30 (or so) TP winners in the House out 535 total (5%) is not exactly a powerful voting block – not YET.

dentarthurdent on January 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM

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