Audio: Justice Alito oddly unimpressed with EPA procedures

posted at 12:45 pm on January 18, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

A month ago, I wrote about the Supreme Court’s decision to take a close look at the EPA and the lack of due process afforded to property owners who run afoul of arcane regulations, regarding wetlands in this specific case.  Sackett v EPA pits an Idaho couple who wanted to build their dream house on property they bought for that purpose, and which had been zoned and properly permitted for it as well — until the EPA declared it “wetlands” and insisted that the Sacketts had to dismantle their construction at their own expense.  Thanks to the convoluted rules of the EPA, the Sacketts couldn’t challenge the ruling in court unless the EPA decided to let them, and the EPA could fine them $32,500 a day while they argued it out.

Oral arguments started last week at the Supreme Court, and ABC News reported yesterday that the EPA came in for some rough treatment at the hands of Justice Samuel Alito:

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JUSTICE ALITO: Mr. Stewart, if you related the facts of this case as they come to us to an ordinary homeowner, don’t you think most ordinary homeowners would say this kind of thing can’t happen in the United States? You don’t — you buy property to build a house. You think maybe there is a little drainage problem in part of your lot, so you start to build the house and then you get an order from the EPA which says: You have filled in wetlands, so you can’t build your house; remove the fill, put in all kinds of plants; and now you have to let us on your premises whenever we want to. You have to turn over to us all sorts of documents, and for every day that you don’t do all this you are accumulating a potential fine of $75,000. And by the way, there is no way you can go to court to challenge our determination that this is a wetlands until such time as we choose to sue you.

MR. STEWART: Well, the first thing I would say is as a matter of standard EPA practice the compliance order would not be the first communication from the agency that would alert the landowner to the belief that there was a violation. The record in this case does not make clear whether that agency practice was followed in this case, but EPA’s typical practice is to alert landowners through prior communications that a violation is existing.

JUSTICE ALITO: Well, so what? Somebody from the EPA says we think that your backyard is a wetlands, so don’t build. So what — what does the homeowner do, having bought the property. Well, all right, I’m just going to put it aside as a nature preserve?

MR. STEWART: At the time that that sort of letter is issued, there is no compliance order and there is no impediment to an after-the-fact permit. That is, at that point the landowner could ask for a permit.

But actually the biggest hit to the argument came from Justice Stephen Breyer, one of the court’s liberals, who forced the EPA’s attorney to acknowledge the catch-22 that the EPA has built to keep people like the Sacketts from gaining their due process:

JUSTICE BREYER: How can they bring an action — I would like some clarification here. The Corps’s regs say the Corps will accept an after-the-fact permit. I mean one after — if they applied tomorrow, the day after getting this order, you would run up against the reg, which says we won’t give you any after the fact, we won’t even consider this matter, until any required initial corrective measures are made. And then, just to be safe, they say that no permit application will be accepted unless the Corps determines that concurrent processing of an after-the-fact permit application is clearly appropriate, “clearly.” So I looked at those two things and said: Of course you can’t apply to the Corps of Engineers; they are not going to accept it unless you have a very unusual case. So I expect you to tell me why I’m wrong about that, if I am, or how many after-the-fact permit applications has the Corps of Engineers accepted. Maybe there are a lot.

MR. STEWART: It’s not precluded, but I would agree with you: It’s very unlikely that without complying with the order -­

JUSTICE BREYER: All right, I agree. If we agree then, look, for 75 years the courts have interpreted statutes with an eye towards permitting judicial review, not the opposite. And yet — so here you are saying that this statute that says nothing about it precludes review, and then the second thing you say is that this isn’t final. So I read the order. It looks like about as final a thing as I have ever seen. So tell me why I am wrong on those two points.

And this is where the rest of the court began to chime in:

MR. STEWART: Well, we are not arguing that the statute precludes all judicial review. That is, the question whether the Clean Water Act applied to this tract could have been keyed up for a court in either of two ways.

JUSTICE BREYER: You’re arguing on the final part -­

JUSTICE KAGAN: You are arguing that the presumption of reviewability does not apply.

MR. STEWART: To this particular order.

JUSTICE KAGAN: And that seems a very strange position. Why would the presumption of reviewability not apply?

MR. STEWART: First because the order doesn’t express the final — the agency’s final view both in the sense that it invites the Sacketts to provide further comment -

JUSTICE GINSBURG: But they asked for a hearing. Didn’t they ask EPA for a hearing on whether their lands fell within the statute? They did ask for a hearing and the EPA said no.

MR. STEWART: EPA said no to a formal hearing, but I think that would be characteristic agency practice.

Yes, it’s that characteristic practice than denies due process and intimidates people into silence and compliance, whether or not they’ve actually violated any regulations at all.  Later in the transcript, Scalia explicitly lays out how the EPA can avoid any kind of review:

JUSTICE SCALIA: So they can just dispense with this compliance order and tell the Sacketts: In our view, this is a warning; we believe you are in violation of the act; and you will be subject to — you are subject to penalties of 37.5 per day for that violation; and to remedy the violation, in our judgment, you have to fill in and you have to plant, you know, pine trees on the lot. It could do that.

MR. STEWART: They could use the letter for that mechanism. And -­

JUSTICE SCALIA: And there would be no review of that.

MR. STEWART: We would certainly argue there would be no review of that.

It sounds as if the EPA may be fighting a losing battle in Sackett, and that could have wide-ranging implications in agency law for the US.  It’s also quite an eye-opener for those unfamiliar with the lack of recourse available for citizens who run afoul of agencies like the EPA, and a pretty good indication of why American capital hesitates to invest in American economic expansion.  Let’s hope that the Supreme Court uses Sackett to restore the proper role of due process in agency law.


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will the press be upset with the ap scandal to actually report this? i sure hope so…

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

#chicagopolitics

mad saint jack on May 14, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Most honest, most open, most transparent administration, evah!

GarandFan on May 14, 2013 at 12:08 PM

Can we get some agreement now from the GOP is too big, too powerful, too intrusive and it’s time to start gutting it.

Given the growth trajectory of the Leviathan over the last century, how long will it be before it consumes everything if not stopped?

Charlemagne on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Someone was joking on Ace’s page this morning that the next ETA an Obama scandal was before noon. When did AP post this article?

posted at 12:01 pm

Guess that prediction was off by about a minute.

Doomberg on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Sweet bit of concern-trolling. Is the DOJ/AP story also legit, or can there be only one “real scandal”?

Allahpundit on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Can we get some agreement now from the GOP that the government is too big, too powerful, too intrusive and it’s time to start gutting it.

Charlemagne on May 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Oh I so hope for everything to come out!

Uncover the bullsh1t that is our govt!

Scrumpy on May 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM

I’m more interested in the “permission structure” by which federal agencies start singling out the president’s ideological opponents for special scrutiny, whether or not he’s handing down direct orders.

This.

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM

HAHAHAHAHA!

We’re going to need a bigger boat Congress.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Keep the Obama scandal scorecard goin’ Allahpundit

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Rush is on! This should be fun.

questionmark on May 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Enough.

2Tru2Tru on May 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

#chicagopolitics

Chicago on the Potomac.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM

I’m more interested in the “permission structure” by which federal agencies start singling out the president’s ideological opponents for special scrutiny, whether or not he’s handing down direct orders.

This.

Chris of Rights on May 14, 2013 at 12:10 PM

That indeed!!

Scrumpy on May 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Someone was joking on Ace’s page this morning that the next ETA an Obama scandal was before noon. When did AP post this article?

posted at 12:01 pm

Guess that prediction was off by about a minute.

Doomberg on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Someone here (wethal, maybe?) mentioned this early in the morning on a different thread, so as far as I’m concerned it made the deadline.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM

Rush is on! This should be fun.

questionmark on May 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

Yeah…The impromptu WH Press parody was too funny

“It’s Rush Limbaugh’s fault” – Obama

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:13 PM

I would be outraged but they pulled my permits.

2Tru2Tru on May 14, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:11 PM

It just keeps getting better.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Permission structure is exactly what we need to know.

To blame the IRS scandal on “low level” employees in Cincy begs the question, why? What would low level, non-political IRS employees have to gain? Nothing. Only those with a political agenda have an interest in these tactics and those folks are much higher up the food chain and are likely political appointees and not career employees.

Charlemagne on May 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

“He (Obama) is essentially begging any republican to publicly denounce me…” – Rush Limbaugh

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

You’re just being cynical and you know what the Prince said about that.

a capella on May 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

I almost forgot about the EPA. Sheesh, has every Cabinet-level agency in the federal government been engaged in harassing the political opposition?

Aitch748 on May 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Can we get some agreement now from the GOP that the government is too big, too powerful, too intrusive and it’s time to start gutting it.

You’d like to think so, but for too many in the upper echelons of the GOP, well, they like all big, all powerful, all intrusive government too. And scandals like this also stand to impede progress for the RINOS of the GOP.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce

Your fear is amusing.

chimney sweep on May 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Pick your target. Freeze it. Frame it. Ridicule it.

Charlemagne on May 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM

From the people who brought you the Chicago Climate Exchange…

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 12:16 PM

I almost forgot about the EPA. Sheesh, has every Cabinet-level agency in the federal government been engaged in harassing the political opposition?

Yes. In Barry’s admin that is standard operating procedure.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:16 PM

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:15 PM

Exactly right! Too many Republicans love BIG government as long as they’re in charge of it.

Charlemagne on May 14, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Recent second term presidents have been plagued by a scandal.

Looks like Obama wants to put his administration’s accomplishments scandals up aagainst any president in modern history (with the possible exception of Nixon and Clinton.)

aunursa on May 14, 2013 at 12:17 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Riiiiight. Because you only ever find one bug when you turn over a rock.

Oh, bayam! Where are you? You’re not going to let verbaluce handle the abuse all alone in this thread, are you?

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Now I’m waiting the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Dept of Education, NASA, and Bureau of Land Management.

Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Now I’m waiting the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Dept of Education, NASA, and Bureau of Land Management.
Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

We want the Labor Dept. next.

Charlemagne on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

… surprise audits of her and her husband’s small gun dealership–which had done less than $200 in sales

That is a really small business! But that lends credence to the assertion that these agencies were going out of their way to punish that person.

KS Rex on May 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM

I almost forgot about the EPA. Sheesh, has every Cabinet-level agency in the federal government been engaged in harassing the political opposition?

Aitch748 on May 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Don’t forget Lisa Jackson using false Email accounts to do EPA business so she wouldn’t get caught in FOIA requests.

a capella on May 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Behind this will be an EPA hit list. It will comprised of companies and scientists who question the veracity of EPA claims and EPA funded junk science.

pat on May 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM

Rush just offered to sit down and talk with Preeezie at a place of Obama’s choosing to come to a mutual understanding to move things forward!!!

Love it!

questionmark on May 14, 2013 at 12:19 PM

How many waivers were personally approved by Richard Windsor?

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Uh huh. The weight is getting heavier by the day, the only question is when Bark finally breaks under it.

One by one these things are falling out of the protective circle, every one contributing to the pile.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Someone was joking on Ace’s page this morning that the next ETA an Obama scandal was before noon. When did AP post this article?

posted at 12:01 pm

Guess that prediction was off by about a minute.

Doomberg on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Not so prescient. Barky has had a new scandal erupting regularly since he first slimed into office. Every single cabinet nomination he made was a scandal (remember the new version of the old joke about Barky and Jesus and that Jesus could build a cabinet?). Then, in a first, Barky went after Rush Limbaugh, a private citizen, from the Oval Office. And it’s been scandal after scandal ever since. The only difference is that the MSM is finding it extra hard to cover up and dismiss them all, now … over four years into the ongoing tsunami of scandals. You can’t pick a week for the past 4 1/2 years and look at that news without finding a new scandal in it. Not one week. And many of them involved new impeachable acts on the part of the Indonesian Dog-Eating Imbecile.

There is nothing new in the “revelation” that every arm of the feral government even partly controlled by the Executive branch has been targeting conservatives. We have all known this. This is not news. The MSM just acts as if it’s news, now.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Now I’m waiting the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Dept of Education, NASA, and Bureau of Land Management.

Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

ATF?

FDA?

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

benghazi is NOT a scandal
-msdnc talking head

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Sheesh, has every Cabinet-level agency in the federal government been engaged in harassing the political opposition?

Aitch748 on May 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Noooooo. I’m sure that at least one has been so incompetent they haven’t been able to harass anyone.

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:21 PM

Man, the wheels are falling off Dear Liar’s regime awfully fast now.

rbj on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Sweet bit of concern-trolling. Is the DOJ/AP story also legit, or can there be only one “real scandal”?

Allahpundit on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Well I guess that’ll it depend on whether conservatives see it as different scandals.
I fully support/agree with the concern and outrage over the IRS news. But conservatives (you know ‘AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE VICTIMS’) have a habit of overreach when it comes to this stuff.
Let’s see if these are indeed treated as different ‘scandals’ – or if it’s Repubs & conservatives that treat as one scandal…the ever and always present ‘Obama scandal’…of him being POTUS.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

How many waivers were personally approved by Richard Windsor?

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Richard Windsor was obviously a low level employee who was let go by the agency…

*snicker*

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

CULTURE OF CORRUPTION!!!

questionmark on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Now I’m waiting the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Dept of Education, NASA, and Bureau of Land Management.

Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

We want the Labor Dept. next.

Charlemagne on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

Remember Boeing and the Land Of Right-to-Work?

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Shine some light into this administration and look at all you see as the rats scatter.

tyketto on May 14, 2013 at 12:23 PM

will fast and furious be brought back up?

msdnc furious that cheney and rumsfeld are calling out the administration..they have no right to condemn him
lololol

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 12:23 PM

There’s one in there from the ATF, too much has been invested by Barky on gun control not to use them as a tool to get what he wants.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:24 PM

Noooooo. I’m sure that at least one has been so incompetent they haven’t been able to harass anyone.

Meh, every government agency, incompetent or no, has a primary mission to harass all. Its what they are there for.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Time to add one more to the scandal scorecard?

Not to worry. The next President will likely be generous with the pardons. Unless it’s Cruz or Paul, then maybe not.

Fenris on May 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM

ICE whistleblowers up next maybe…

Napolitano goes down like the Hindenburg…

sorry was that insensitive?

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

So…it all depends on what your definition of “is”, id.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 12:27 PM

is.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Global Warming, Climate Change, CO2 kills by the EPA and the commie Democrats and the evil U.N. is all 100% lies and fraud.

http://www.wattsupwiththat.com

The commies know it, we know it, Al Gore knows it, but as long as they have the msm lie machine to hide the decline the lie is alive.

Push the truth out to ever one, do not let up, push, push, push.

The lie walls are crumbling now.

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Good post, AP. Succinct and burning to the heart of the issue.

BJ* on May 14, 2013 at 12:27 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

And you are exactly right.

Obama started shooting at everyone and ended up shooting himself in the foot.

davidk on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Oh, bayam! Where are you? You’re not going to let verbaluce handle the abuse all alone in this thread, are you?

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:17 PM

Am I being profiled?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

ICE whistleblowers up next maybe…

Napolitano goes down like the Hindenburg…

sorry was that insensitive?

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Not really. Historians have long speculated the Hindenburg Zeppelin may have been homosexual just like Nappy.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

julian bond is a-ok with the irs targeting those racist tea party groups…

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

I dunno but is there a pattern here…

*snicker*

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

 
Sweet bit of concern-trolling. Is the DOJ/AP story also legit, or can there be only one “real scandal”?
 
Allahpundit on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

 
Speaking of:
 
AP, what’s going on that has HA’s google searches so screwed up? Clicking on a link in google takes me to an entirely different thread in HA. I’ll use myself as an example:
 
Example:
 
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=rogerb+on+February+5%2C+2013+at+7%3A03+AM
 
I dare you find rogerb anywhere in that first hit (“A Brief Note…). This is happening constantly.

rogerb on May 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM

I’m sure Koch Industries hasn’t had any trouble at all from the EPA.

TXUS on May 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM

ICE whistleblowers up next maybe…

Napolitano goes down like the Hindenburg…

sorry was that insensitive?

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Not really. Historians have long speculated the Hindenburg Zeppelin may have been homosexual just like Nappy.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Dude…you made me spewup soda on my keyboard…

HA!

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:29 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

“How you do anything is how you do EVERYTHING.” Never been more obvious than this SCOAMF

Harbingeing on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Am I being profiled?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Profiled? You’ve been measured by your own ridiculous arguments.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Now I’m waiting the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Dept of Education, NASA, and Bureau of Land Management.

Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

ATF?

FDA?

All a good start, until the bloated federal bureaucracy is whittled down to a tenth of its current size.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

Eventually, the rug under which everything has been swept gets high enough that folks start tripping on it.

the ever and always present ‘Obama scandal’…of him being POTUS.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I know you don’t see it this way, but it is a scandal that Obama is President. The man had no executive experience, not even any extensive political experience, what he did have he achieved by hook and crook, half his resume was hidden, and he was connected to low-lifes, crooks and terrorists. He was transparently lied about by both the party apparatchiks and the media (oh, he’s sooo smart, sooo intelligent). And, yet, the voters ate it up – twice.

Yeah, I’d call that a scandal of immense proportions.

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Uh huh. The weight is getting heavier by the day, the only question is when Bark finally breaks under it.

One by one these things are falling out of the protective circle, every one contributing to the pile.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:20 PM

What our concern trolls fail to understand is that we’ve now had at least the perception that the EPA and IRS target some groups and make it much easier for others “coincidentally” in accordance with the rat-eared coward’s rabid leftist ideology.

So…. if tomorrow it turns out that the Small Business Administration was picking winners and losers or OSHA was deliberately going out to inspect workplace safety at gun shops with massive fines every time they did….. Well it just adds weight to the articles of impeachment. I’m not saying we can get rid of the rat-eared coward but the corruption of his administration is beginning to show.

And it isn’t just about throwing billions in stimulus money at campaign bundlers anymore. Now we find that Americans, going about their everyday lives, are being targeted or rewarded based on the ideology of the left.

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Now I’m waiting the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, Dept of Education, NASA, and Bureau of Land Management.

Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:18 PM

ATF?

FDA?

All a good start, until the bloated federal bureaucracy is whittled down to a tenth of its current size.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The State of Texas approves your comment hawkeye54

workingclass artist on May 14, 2013 at 12:32 PM

I fully support/agree with the concern and outrage over the IRS news. But conservatives (you know ‘AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE VICTIMS’) have a habit of overreach when it comes to this stuff.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

For example?

davidk on May 14, 2013 at 12:32 PM

McConnell declared the other day that the IRS issue was just the tip of the iceberg and specifically mentioned HHS & the EPA by name…

The WAR on Conservatives has been uncovered. If our government, being driven by the Progressives / a Communist-tutored recist/communist-based church pastor-mentored ‘socialist’, is targeting, villifying, & punishing Conservatives (and apparently Jews) while spying on & intimidating the media, what’s next? Do we have to worry about Christians being targeted (even more than they have been / are now) the way Egypt & other M.E. nations are doing? Allowing Islamists to lay down prayer mats so they can ‘practice their faith’ while outlawing Americans’ ability to do the same (so it won’t offend Muslims) is already going on. The story was reported about how the military is ‘outlawing’ sharing one’s faith – so as not to offend other religeons & possibly proescuting a soldier/kicking them out for doing so… Can we expect practicing the Jewish &/or Christian faith in public. If we accept what this administration & Progressives have shoved through & are trying to teach us is the new nation’s norm, how much further are we going to allow them to go forward from HERE?

Obama promised to ‘fundamentally change the U.S.’…d@mn if the ignorant, greedy, & the partisan among us aren’t helping him do it, either by supporting or doing nothing.

easyt65 on May 14, 2013 at 12:32 PM

off

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:32 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Sweet bit of concern-trolling. Is the DOJ/AP story also legit, or can there be only one “real scandal”?

Allahpundit on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

That reminds me how, before Iraq, the media demanded over and over again that there be only ONE reason to go into Iraq. Which is where the whole focus on WMD came from: the consensus “one reason” that the critics were demanding.

There Goes the Neighborhood on May 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Profiled? You’ve been measured by your own ridiculous arguments.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

I would also add that every troll since the weekend has used the exact same words and catch phrases, over and over, in every thread.

Detecting patterns isn’t profiling.

Liam on May 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Am I being profiled?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

You wish.

davidk on May 14, 2013 at 12:33 PM

Happy Nomad on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

The worst thing for the ‘rats is that this concerns the IRS, the governmental agency that almost every American loathes and hates.

Once the info is constantly brought forth during the 2014 campaign that BarkyCare will have heavy IRS oversight, boy howdy will there be some public noise. Dog Eater is watching his little protected world fall apart, and his signature issue will eventually die on the vine.

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Meh, every government agency, incompetent or no, has a primary mission to harass all. Its what they are there for.

hawkeye54 on May 14, 2013 at 12:25 PM

Heh! I stand corrected. I should have said “so incompetent they couldn’t pull together a targeted campaign of harassment.

Am I being profiled?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Ha! Bayam was just on the other thread trying to put out the fire with his face. You seem headed that way on this one.

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

NOAA? It would be global warming related.

Oil Can on May 14, 2013 at 12:34 PM

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 12:31 PM

bloody infuriating…tips from msdnc

cmsinaz on May 14, 2013 at 12:35 PM

the ever and always present ‘Obama scandal’…of him being POTUS.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

“Why is everybody always pickin’ on me?”

davidk on May 14, 2013 at 12:36 PM

the ever and always present ‘Obama scandal’…of him being POTUS.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

I know you don’t see it this way, but it is a scandal that Obama is President. The man had no executive experience, not even any extensive political experience, what he did have he achieved by hook and crook, half his resume was hidden, and he was connected to low-lifes, crooks and terrorists. He was transparently lied about by both the party apparatchiks and the media (oh, he’s sooo smart, sooo intelligent). And, yet, the voters ate it up – twice.

Yeah, I’d call that a scandal of immense proportions.

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:30 PM

Well some voters for sure shared your opinion, but most did not.
That’s why he is POTUS.
So your scandal in this case is democracy.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:36 PM

(you know ‘AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE VICTIMS’)

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Interestingly, bayam was starting in on that line, too – the “conservatives playing themselves as victims” approach. New talking points?

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Report: EPA followed double standard for conservative groups too?

I don’t know about that, either.
~BHO

BobMbx on May 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

It’s funny that the press is just now coming to accept that the Obama White House is an authoritarian regime bent on politicizing every portion of the government. Does anyone remember that story about the douchy hipsters trying to use the NEA to promote Obama’s agenda? What was that, four years ago? The point is this sort of behavior comes naturally to Obama and his cohorts.

EricW on May 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

Sweet bit of concern-trolling. Is the DOJ/AP story also legit, or can there be only one “real scandal”?

Allahpundit on May 14, 2013 at 12:09 PM

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Here’s a thought about the trolls it is well PAST time for the Hot Air editors to address:

They are part and parcel of the overall Obama Administration “obfuscation machinery” used to muddy all online discussions by turning them into unreadable muck and name calling contests.

How is it POSSIBLE the staff of this site cannot or will not see this obvious sabotage of their efforts?

PolAgnostic on May 14, 2013 at 12:38 PM

I can’t wait for “reporters” to break the newest scandal … that members of the administration were holding daily meetings with news personnel in order to get the day’s story lines straight (from a White House perspective). Remember George Stephalopogous, Carville, and Axelrod holding their morning briefings … 4 years ago. Nothing big. Just the White House setting the news. Just as when that ditz on Morning Joke got an Axelrod text (while on the air) to hand her more talking points about one of the other 200 scandals that the MSM has had to dig Barky out of.

What America has let happen – to have the greatest nation in history destroyed by a talentless, inept, mathematical illiterate and total imbecile – just so a bunch of cowards didn’t risk being called “raaaacists!!” (even though they were regularly called that, anyway). Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on May 14, 2013 at 12:39 PM

This is how the damned media report to the damned fools.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 12:31 PM

It is and it all hinges on how much coverage the LSFM gives any of this, if it isn’t on the alphabets, you can forget it, if locals papers don’t pick this up, you can forget about his numbers sliding…

The average L.i.V do not do any more than read and watch the local news and the alphabets…

Scrumpy on May 14, 2013 at 12:39 PM

You have an actual legit gripe/case with the IRS news.
Maybe not so fast on the shooting wildly in every direction?

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Try a bit harder, since you’re not always a troll:

1. 20 AP reporters’s phones were hacked by Holders’ goons, ahead of the election.

2. Benghazi was/is still a coverup of huge proportions and no one has been punished…with no sign that anyone ever will.

3. Political groups targeted by the EPA.

4. What else that is not known? Do you see a pattern? Yes, you certainly can think.

To your other comments…yes, it is a travesty that this thug was re-elected by charlatanry. The land deserves more. You should think about this carefully. If the shoe were on the other side you’d go apoplectic. You should fight for liberty and freedom, for all, alas.

One more thing. Obama and his capo, stupid Carney, can say a million times “this is political”. What is not? That is such a stupid statement. Obama and his can NO longer be trusted on anything, even if, miracle of all, they’d tell the truth now.

Schadenfreude on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

“I actually know at least five government agencies which use the acronym EPA.”

-Jay Cornball

Bishop on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I hope somebody carries today’s Benghazi Jay Show live.

kingsjester on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

verbs out of balance,

Tell us what you think of the Climate Change, Global Warming, CO2 information and the work of the EPA and others.

Is it real or not in your opinion and or why would you say that the informantion on the http://www.wattsupwithtat.com site is not in any respect true and correct.

Thanks for any rensponse,

awk

APACHEWHOKNOWS on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

I’m more interested in the “permission structure” by which federal agencies start singling out the president’s ideological opponents for special scrutiny, whether or not he’s handing down direct orders.

The “permission structure” is a federal bureaucracy hugely disproportionally filled with and run by liberals and left-of-center activist types who are completely dependent on the federal government for their livelihood and who have a vested interest in the bureaucracy’s perpetuation and growth.

That gives them a rationalized “permission structure” to do whatever they need to do to survive, justify their existence, grow, prosper, and attack their enemies (while sucking at the government tit). Like good little socialist bureaucrats they would claim their enemies are the enemies of the people and they are doing it all for the greater good of the people. And so on and so forth.

farsighted on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

It is interesting to see that on lefty boards they are justifying what the EPA and IRS did by arguing that right leaning groups are opposed to government and therefore deserve to by stymied by any means necessary.

The mask has fallen off completely now.

As the Republicans will be too craven to tackle this, it is going to come down to how the left elites really think about all this.

They’ve been moving towards a more authoritarian state for some time, but now they have a stark choice – continue to support Obama and see the functional end of representative government (the trappings will remain) or oppose him and risk the ire of the drones they have created.

18-1 on May 14, 2013 at 12:40 PM

(you know ‘AMERICA’S NUMBER ONE VICTIMS’)

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Interestingly, bayam was starting in on that line, too – the “conservatives playing themselves as victims” approach. New talking points?

GWB on May 14, 2013 at 12:37 PM

I have no idea if it’s a talking point. But it’s been a view of mine for a while. I’m nsure shared by many…as it’s foundational to so much of what one hears from cons these days.
BUT…as I’ve said, on this IRS deal…I believe the victims.

verbaluce on May 14, 2013 at 12:41 PM

Low level staffers at it again!!!

Darn those wacky kids.

PackerBronco on May 14, 2013 at 12:42 PM

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