Romney wavering on Florida debates?

posted at 12:50 pm on January 17, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

And here we thought the big question on debate attendance would be whether CNN lets Rick Perry on stage this Thursday.  Byron York reports that Mitt Romney has yet to confirm his presence at any of the scheduled debates in Florida, and the campaign says that’s no accident:

After a debate in which Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney faced attacks from all sides, the Romney campaign says it has not yet accepted invitations to participate in two high-profile debates leading up to the January 31 Florida primary, and a key Romney adviser is expressing fatigue and frustration over what he sees as a never-ending series of GOP debates.

“There are too many of these,” Romney strategist Stuart Stevens said after Monday night’s Fox News debate at the Myrtle Beach Convention Center.  “We have to bring some order to it.  We haven’t accepted Florida…It’s kind of like a cruise that’s gone on too long.”

Given the news this week, I’m not sure a “cruise” analogy is a good choice.  Still, the Romney camp has a point with this argument:

As part of his complaint against the current debate schedule, Stevens expressed lingering irritation at the January 7 ABC News debate in New Hampshire, in which Romney faced a long a tendentious series of questions about contraception.  (“It was such a lousy debate,” Stevens said.)  More generally, Stevens suggested that in the long course of the campaign, this year’s key issues have been exhausted.  “We’re down to the most obscure questions,” he said. “When more than ten debates mention Chilean models, and it’s not a fashion show, then something’s wrong.”

Bruce McQuain at QandO sympathizes with this complaint:

That said, and considering this was a debate moderated by the GOP friendly Fox network, where in the world were the questions about the economy and the European crisis?  Where were the queries about jobs and how to go about creating them?

Instead we got silly race baiting questions from Juan Williams (which, thankfully, were turned on him to the point that the crowd gave Newt Gingrich a standing O for his answer to one of them), questions about tax returns and other ancillary topics that really didn’t address the main problem of our time.

Certainly, if you watched Twitter during the debate, people had fun scoring the punches and the hits, the “dodges” and the answers, but in the big primary scheme of things, does any of that matter?   If polls are to be believed, Romney is comfortably ahead in both South Carolina and Florida.

I’m personally tired of the debates.  For the most part they’ve delivered more entertainment than information. They’ve devolved into scorekeeping about who got the best shot in on Romney.  This is something like the 15th Republican debate and we’re no more enlightened about the serious topics we should be addressing than we were after the 1st.

We have two separate questions on the table, really.  Bruce is addressing a question I’ve raised throughout this process, which is the absurd format of the media debates.  The GOP should have put an end to this format months ago and insisted on a format that would allow for reasoned, robust explanations of policy rather than sound-bite gotchas.  But it’s not just the media’s fault, either.   Since I was feeling under the weather yesterday (and still do a bit today), I took a break from watching Twitter in last night’s debate to focus more on the full answers in the debate, and it was a bit of a relief to not see the gotcha moments amplified and repeated ad infinitum, even if the candidates were still trying to deliver them.

Besides, the debate actually improved last night in one key aspect.  Since there were fewer people on stage, the debate allowed for longer answers.  The candidates ignored the time limits anyway in several instances, Romney included, which made it more like a debate than a game show, at least at times.

The second question is whether to continue holding them, and that is going to be out of Romney’s hands.  He might not like getting beat up on stage, but at least he’s there to defend himself.  The media will cover the debates whether Romney is there or not, so the only way he could successfully shut down the debates is if he gets the other Republican candidates to also withdraw.  They’re practically on life support as it is, so they are certainly not going to pass up an opportunity for national and state-wide coverage in Florida for free. If they show up, Romney has to participate as well, if for no other reason than to keep playing defense and push back a little himself.


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Put the cigars and champagne away.

The coronation hasn’t happened, yet.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Wait a minute…….

gophergirl on January 17, 2012 at 1:18 PM

I know. Down the memory hole.

Flora Duh on January 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

It’s OK dude…

… We all know why you and Mittens are grumpy and walking a little funny today.

But like the proctologist says…

… “That’s not what it’s for!”

/

Seven Percent Solution on January 17, 2012 at 1:31 PM

You should find your own typos to get hot and bothered about instead of relying on Porlanduh’s found typos.
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Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 1:28 PM

oH nO. hOw dId wE eVer gEt alONg hEre befOre JAILBREAK cAme aLonG???

portlandon on January 17, 2012 at 1:34 PM

Wow, good one, you’re as good at spinning as Axelrod and Debbie-Wasserman Schmutz.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2012 at 1:20 PM

No spin needed. Just watch it over and see how it played out. Then watch the interview with Hannity. It was planned that Romney would make that point during a televised debate and then drive the point home with Hannity.

Certainly you know that all the candidates attempt these type of manipulations? If you recall the trap Santorum set for Romney last night on the voting felons question, Romney fell right into it. A good debater knows the answer to a question before he asks it. I paused it and told the spouse that Santorum is either being very stupid, or very smart. Clearly, he was a mile ahead of Romney on that question.

csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM

portlandon on January 17, 2012 at 1:34 PM

He exhausted the Roger Waters’ catalog for names. Now, he’s using Thin Lizzy’s.

kingsjester on January 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Damn straight. Mitt had to calmly wait until the Jerry Springer audience stopped its hooting and bleeting before he could answer every question and he stillkicked all of their asses.

Did you see when the camera panned the audience. Holy crap!!! My TV screen almost broke from laughing.

Next time, they should require audience members to produce a high-school diploma before allowing them admittance.

Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Mitt got his butt kicked last night so he doesn’t want to play any more. (See the Drudge poll)

I’m starting to think it would be a great idea for HA to require a high school diploma in order to post.

silvernana on January 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM

If Romney ducks the Florida debates, he will not get my vote. Period. Don’t even bother to howl, ABOs.

If he can’t finish the course against other Republicans, he sure can’t stand up to the Dems.

TheClearRiver on January 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM

Next time, they should require audience members to produce a high-school diploma before allowing them admittance.

Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Then there wouldn’t be any Perry, Paul, Gingrich, or Santorum supports in the attendance. ;-)

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csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM

I dont re-read what I quickly type. I try to adjust downward so the Palin nuts, etc. can relate better to me.

Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 1:28 PM

Yeah. Your fingers go so fast, they forget to change grammar, from singular to plural?

Admit it. You’re not as smart as you think you are.

portlandon on January 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM

He exhausted the Roger Waters’ catalog for names. Now, he’s using Thin Lizzy’s.

kingsjester on January 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Yep. He’s so clever.

He can change his name all he wants, it’s the AROMA of his posts that give him away.

portlandon on January 17, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I know…

… I walked into work this morning to:

“What the he%% happened to you…?”

/

Seven Percent Solution on January 17, 2012 at 1:18 PM

At least you made it to work.

JPeterman on January 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM

Romney knows he is in less than unfriendly territory in the South. Squishy liberals are not well accepted. He’s probably thinking about the standing O Newt got last night. Plus, he’s not really winning any debates. He’s just maintaining.

they lie on January 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM

What’s important here?

This guy will not make a decision unless someone forces him to from outside pressure. He will wimp out every time.

He has no work ethic. He’s another elitist.

Young Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and would never take a job in High School in the library like Newt wants for young people.

If he won’t even work in Florida in a debate, then HOW HARD WILL HE WORK FOR US IN THE WHITE HOUSE?
If the series of debates are SO TAXING NOW, just look how poor this guy will perform as president. He physically and mentally can’t take the pressure.

Mr President!! Wake up. Iran just invaded Iraq and launched a nuclear missile towards Israel!!!

“Hey it’s 3 AM buster!” “Wake me up at 8 am. The bank doesn’t open until 9 AM at the Romeny Bain Bank branch downstairs.”

Stefan

stefanslaw on January 17, 2012 at 1:40 PM

Put the cigars and champagne away.

The coronation hasn’t happened, yet.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I’m not celebrating a Romney win. I celebrating the fact that the weakest candidates (see below) are being eliminated the the strongest candidate (Romney) is continuing to solidify his lead.

Palin (okay, not a candidate, but clearly to weak to even be that)
Bachmann
Huntsman

T-Paw is the only candidate I regret not seeing more of. He wasn’t ready for a national campaign and that prevented him from getting better as the primary went forward.

csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM

hawkdriver on January 17, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Right. I forgot nobody can comment on military issues unless you’ve been in the military. I’m also under 65 so I guess I can’t comment on SS or Medicare. I don’t receive welfare, so I can’t comment on welfare.

Carry on…

angryed on January 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM

That’s not the point and I’ve always been quite the proponent that there is no service required to have an opinion about the military. But you claimed that you were in the Army. I’ll take your word on it if you were. Please just don’t use that for a political point if it’s not true.

hawkdriver on January 17, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Whoa, news is hitting the wires that Romney has told the media today that he does pay a tax rate lower than most middle-income families. I wonder how that will go over.KickandSwimMom on January 17, 2012 at 1:01 PM

Yep, no doubt the occupier wings of the GOP will have a fit. Do you advocate higher taxes on interest and capital games to make it “fair”?

FWIW, watch Cavuto’s interview with Thomas Stenberg later today if you actually care about the truth about Mitt’s Bain Capital days. Unlike Perry and Newt, he doesn’t treat him like a white collar criminal. Au contraire…

Buy Danish on January 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

I’m late to this thread; others may have said this:
Bias on Hot Air? Perry gets slammed for saying that there may be too many debates, yet Romney get support for saying that there are too many debates.
Romney is trying to run out the clock, and it is easier for him to do that when he gets support for that as in this piece.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

I’m late to this thread; others may have said this:
Bias on Hot Air? Perry gets slammed for saying that there may be too many debates, yet Romney get support for saying that there are too many debates.
Romney is trying to run out the clock, and it is easier for him to do that when he gets support for that as in this piece.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Funny how that happens huh?

gophergirl on January 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Romney is being slammed for appearing to be afraid. And rightfully so. Just as Perry was slammed for appearing to be afraid.

csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM

He has no work ethic. He’s another elitist.

Young Romney was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and would never take a job in High School in the library like Newt wants for young people.

Hate on his platform all you want, but you don’t attend Harvard Law and Business school at the same time with a two kid family and then go on to work for BCG and eventually become CEO of both a capital management and then a consulting firm with no work ethic. Also he did menial jobs when he was a kid, and worked as a security guard when he went to Stanford in order to be able to afford to visit his soon to be wife. He obviously grew up rich, but his dad seemed to have done a good job making sure he knew he had to work to earn success. If he had a silver spoon in his mouth, why did he live in a basement apartment when he attended grad school or have to work at all when he was younger? He obviously didn’t grow up on the streets, but neither did any other candidate running in the primary and that’s not a serious credential for the presidency. I’d recommend learning about the backgrounds of candidates before you clearly illustrate that you’re factually ignorant.

Kriggly on January 17, 2012 at 1:52 PM

Yes, after doing so well with the first 3% of GOP delegates, Mitt Romney knows he will be coronated and everyone else will just bow out…

Really, you don’t need to really campaign when you have WON half of 3%, now, do you?

ajacksonian on January 17, 2012 at 1:53 PM

How much more evidence do you need that Romney is utterly spineless?

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Stop whining, Mitt.

Connie on January 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM

If Romney ducks the Florida debates, he will not get my vote. Period. Don’t even bother to howl, ABOs.

If he can’t finish the course against other Republicans, he sure can’t stand up to the Dems.

TheClearRiver on January 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM

I’m pretty close to the point of deciding to simply stay home in November. It’s not worth getting out of bed to vote for Romney.

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Angryeyed, there was some discussion on the other thread after you left. I was asking how long you’ve been in the military.

hawkdriver on January 17, 2012 at 1:05 PM

Right. I forgot nobody can comment on military issues unless you’ve been in the military. I’m also under 65 so I guess I can’t comment on SS or Medicare. I don’t receive welfare, so I can’t comment on welfare.

Carry on…

Debbie Wasserman angryeyed on January 17, 2012 at 1:09 PM

hawkdriver,
The military doesn’t take middle schoolers.

Gunlock Bill on January 17, 2012 at 1:56 PM

You know, I’m getting so sick of these debates that the refusal to show would probably encourage me to vote for that candidate. All they are doing at this point is providing material for DNC and Obama ads. The more the candidates are recorded, the higher the chance they will say/do something that can be exploited by the DNC in an ad.

talkingpoints on January 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM

He exhausted the Roger Waters’ catalog for names. Now, he’s using Thin Lizzy’s.

kingsjester on January 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM

ac/dc

Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 2:04 PM

“We’re down to the most obscure questions,” he said. “When more than ten debates mention Chilean models, and it’s not a fashion show, then something’s wrong.”

Totally reforming Social Security, 22% of our spending … and rising … is obscure and worthy of bad comedy?

MarkCasper on January 17, 2012 at 2:07 PM

csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM

You’ll need them to put your perfumed prince over the top. The general s/b ‘fun’.

Schadenfreude on January 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM

Mitt’s strategists seem like they could be in a bit of a pickle. If he has more debate performances like the one last night, he could lose some serious ground. Then again, ducking and running for cover sure doesn’t make him look good either. Personally,I think the cowardly lion better go find some courage….

lynncgb on January 17, 2012 at 2:13 PM

So this is the guy that IF he gets the nom and IF he wins will put his back into turning this country around? Sure he will.
He’s anybody’s dog who’ll walk him.

katy the mean old lady on January 17, 2012 at 2:25 PM

Romeny’s problem is that he cannot be seriously questioned about his background without having to go moderate, and that’s the last thing he wants to do.

Not that there’s anything wrong with having some moderate positions — except when the rest of the field is about 200 miles to your right; therein lies the crux of the situation.

Newt got a standing ovation last night; as Frank Luntz is quoted to have put it, it’s the first time in 16 years that this has happened to a candidate.

As a Newt supporter, I believe that there are simply and decreasingly very few ways to best Newt in a debate, and Romney knows this. Romney knows this so much that I thought I recalled Romney actually giving a single “yes” or “no” with brief explanations by the time the second hour was nearly through. Heck, Romney even took a stance or two that drew boos from the crowd and stuck with it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

More generally and more strategically, the biggest risk with Romney actually not showing up to debate is that all of the non-Romneys will use such absences to their great advantage, including the biggest claim of all:

If Romney is afraid to debate the rest of the field in a *Republican* primary setting, how in the world could he *possibly* stand up to one of the Democrat’s greatest orators (at least with a teleprompter at arm’s length), Barack Obama??

Phil_GA on January 17, 2012 at 2:26 PM

So, we are on our way with a front runner who’s not even good at BS&B. The veneer is showing some wear and I hate to say “I told you so,” but Greg Marmalard may be in over his head—exactly what he’s saying about Obama.

Friday, Sean Hannity had that NYT’s reporter who wrote the book on Michelle Obama. She said quite plainly that we’re about to have a huge national discussion on Mormonism. Didn’t ol Mitt take care of that four years ago? Apparently not.

Mitt tying his dog on the roof of his car has already come up and it won’t go away as the cartoon character created by the left evolves. Do you all remember the story about Mitt dying in that accident in France–the policeman had even written “dead” on his pad (this is the story). Turns out it was a lie.

Remember Mitt “marching” with his father during the Civil Rights Movement? Turns out that was a lie.

Remember Mitt telling us he pulled over to the side of the road and cried when he heard blacks were allowed to “hold the priesthood”? I suspect someone is going to go back and find that East Coast major news stations didn’t even notice, although it was really big news in Utah, and SIRIUS didn’t exist back then.

Speaking of crying. Have any of you ever seen or heard Mitt cry or even choke up? Reminds me of Obama in that regard.

Mitt is a pastor? He said so. No he wasn’t. He was more like the head judge of the local Star Chamber. That will come out too.

And last night Mitt proved that if the debate goes off script, he sputters and stutters and avoids and changes the subject. A very unlikeable fellow. Obama at least has charm. Mitt hasn’t an ounce.

We’ve got less than a week to counter the moneybags and change the “inevitable”. Wall Street chose Obama. Wall Street wants to choose his successor, but Obama has pre-paid microphones on seven channels and free air fare and our cash to spread the wealth to bundlers and voters.

Mitt’s right down lousy at improvisation. Newt’s not and his so-called attack on “capitalism”? He’s going to be in a very nice populist position to counter the elitism argument developing on the left, which apparently Mitt’s tax return enhances.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM

The fact he got steam rolled by the MA legislature on every issue would confirm your suspicions. If his supporters took 10 minutes to study his record in MA they’d run away screaming.

angryed on January 17, 2012 at 1:12 PM

With one exception….Funny how the only real accomplishment he can point to in his battles with the Democratic legislature was passing the individual mandate. That should tell his supporters something.

Just Sayin on January 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Mitt to Newt…

“This is politics, and if you can’t stand the heat in this little kitchen, wait until the Obama hell’s kitchen turns up the heat,” Romney said Wednesday morning on Fox News.

bazil9 on January 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM

You know, I’m getting so sick of these debates that the refusal to show would probably encourage me to vote for that candidate. All they are doing at this point is providing material for DNC and Obama ads. The more the candidates are recorded, the higher the chance they will say/do something that can be exploited by the DNC in an ad.

talkingpoints on January 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM

No one is forced to watch and it’s pretty certain that the DNC will find any dirt that the Republicans don’t bring up. Bringing up Bain was not bad it was the position that some seemed to take on it that mattered. The primaries should filter out the weak and expose the incompetent. Santorum will probably be gone after Florida for lack of funding. I don’t know how long Perry can hold out from the monetary point but he was not ready for prime time. It only remains for Romney to shut out Newt by refusing debates. Then we can all calmly await the Obama victory in November after a campaign where the plastic candidate gets cut to ribbons while remaining oh so polite.

Annar on January 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Sure Mitt, go ahead and “waver” on those Florida debates. You’ve got ‘er all wrapped up, right big boy?

jfs756 on January 17, 2012 at 2:39 PM

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Romney is being slammed for appearing to be afraid. And rightfully so. Just as Perry was slammed for appearing to be afraid.

csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM

I may have a different Hot Air article than you do, because I don’t see it slamming Romney for appearing to be afraid.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I may have a different Hot Air article than you do, because I don’t see it slamming Romney for appearing to be afraid.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I missed that you were referring to Ed. I don’t remember if Ed was tougher on Perry when he talked about bailing out. If you say HA was tougher on perry, then I’ll take your word for it.

csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I think Mitt’s adviser quoted in the piece picked the wrong week for this analogy:

“It’s kind of like a cruise that’s gone on too long.”

Yes, and sometimes they run aground and tip over, too.

Captain Scarlet on January 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM

As part of his complaint against the current debate schedule, Stevens expressed lingering irritation at the January 7 ABC News debate in New Hampshire, in which Romney faced a long a tendentious series of questions about contraception.

The only reason that it was a long tendentious series of questions about contraception is that Stephanopulous (sp?) was incredulous that Rommey – HLS grad, crusader to prevent gay marriage in MA – had never heard of Griswold v Connecticut.

Just sayin’.

Just Sayin on January 17, 2012 at 2:58 PM

I may have a different Hot Air article than you do, because I don’t see it slamming Romney for appearing to be afraid.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM

I missed that you were referring to Ed. I don’t remember if Ed was tougher on Perry when he talked about bailing out. If you say HA was tougher on perry, then I’ll take your word for it.

csdeven on January 17, 2012 at 2:49 PM

I can’t say that I recall that it was Ed who was tougher on Perry. I do recall that it was on Hot Air.

GaltBlvnAtty on January 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM

Well, I suppose we could admire the courage of Mitt’s convictions.
…If we only knew what they were.

kingsjester on January 17, 2012 at 1:18 PM


Hey!!! He’s got lots of convictions!!!

Double sets, in fact!!

tom on January 17, 2012 at 3:17 PM

Damn straight. Mitt had to calmly wait until the Jerry Springer audience stopped its hooting and bleeting before he could answer every question and he stillkicked all of their asses.

Did you see when the camera panned the audience. Holy crap!!! My TV screen almost broke from laughing.

Next time, they should require audience members to produce a high-school diploma before allowing them admittance.

Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

Is this the Mitt Romney school of campaigning? It might explain why he’s lost every election but one.

tom on January 17, 2012 at 3:22 PM

Meanwhile…..today…..Newt working the stump in South Carolina for EVERY SINGLE VOTE……..and where is Romney?? “Romney smiled. “Thanks everybody,” he said, as he rushed to board his bus to catch a plane to New York, where he’s set to appear at campaign fundraisers today.”
Yes..you read that correctly…..in New York…..with his Wall Street buddies figuring out how to stop Newt…..MARK THESE WORDS PEOPLE….Romney is worried and now he’s going to NEW YORK!!!! The very next day after he got his tail wooped…..and now floats this balloon out there. Yeah..real good PR.
Chickened out on 2 one on one debates now he running out of gas.
This is the fight for the POTUS!!! Running out of gas? Clear example last night that Romney just can stand toe toe with Obama…face it. Can anyone say…. Payoffs!!! Playoffs??? Playoffs???? Are you kidding me…Playoffs???

coach1228 on January 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM

I’m pretty close to the point of deciding to simply stay home in November. It’s not worth getting out of bed to vote for Romney.

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Please don’t. Even if you don’t vote for Romney, if he’s the nominee, it will be more important than ever to get a more conservative Congress.

tom on January 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Mitt is a pastor? He said so. No he wasn’t. He was more like the head judge of the local Star Chamber. That will come out too.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM..

Portia,

You really should know what you’re talking about before you go attacking Mitt’s religious background. FYI, Mitt served as a Stake President in the LDS church which is analagous to being an archbishop for an archdiocese in the Catholic church. A stake is basically a geographical area containing a group of wards (similar to dioceses). The stake president and his counselors are in charge of running this unit of the church. They do plenty of preaching since they travel around to the different wards in the stake and speak in their sunday meetings.

Although I suspect you know all this with your “star chamber” comment and are just trying to stir the pot. What’s the matter? Did you get excommunicated by a stake president int he past?

drflykilla on January 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM

I’m starting to think it would be a great idea for HA to require a high school diploma in order to post.

silvernana on January 17, 2012 at 1:36 PM

From your lips to God’s … err … Allah’s ears.

mom29js on January 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM

FWIW, watch Cavuto’s interview with Thomas Stenberg later today if you actually care about the truth about Mitt’s Bain Capital days. Unlike Perry and Newt, he doesn’t treat him like a white collar criminal. Au contraire…

Buy Danish on January 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM

So, why didn’t/doesn’t Romney address the issue coherently? THAT’s the issue. Romney isn’t real quick off the mark and he and his advisors are getting real tired of the same ‘ol, same ‘ol questions. Like the Bret Baier interview told me a whole lot about his character and none of it was good.

He screws up the debate worse than Perry at the beginning at this stage in the campaign? Houston, we’ve got BIG problems.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Remember Mitt telling us he pulled over to the side of the road and cried when he heard blacks were allowed to “hold the priesthood”? I suspect someone is going to go back and find that East Coast major news stations didn’t even notice, although it was really big news in Utah, and SIRIUS didn’t exist back then.

I was half way around the world and I heard about it.

But I guess since you weren’t old enough to remember it, it must not have happened.

Mitt is a pastor? He said so. No he wasn’t. He was more like the head judge of the local Star Chamber. That will come out too.
Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM

You really are stupid.

For your benefit from Wikipedia,

The word pastor usually refers to an ordained leader of a Christian congregation.

So, yes, Romney was a “pastor”.

Gunlock Bill on January 17, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Wouldn’t it be great if Mitt could have a Newt moment just one time during these debates? The man is made of milk toast. How is he going to LEAD and INSPIRE fence sitting voters to not only vote for him but if he wins to support his ideas? The man is as close to a manager as I have ever seen. Sure he has the skills to manage the government but that is not what we need. We need a George Patton to inspire and make us voluntarily sacrifice for the greater good of our country. This man will hold a press conference to tell us that the GDP is up 2% and we will have to cut 1% from our spending. Look at his “Solutions” for Medicare and Social Security. Do nothing about the 55 and older crowd, which I am part of, and then nibble around the edges for the group after that. It won’t work and it will not solve the crisis that awaits us. We have Romney lite, if that is possible, in office now. Although the real Romney will be a little better because of a Republican Congress, he will have to be dragged into the fray and forced to make drastic cuts in public programs. Don’t you see this? Look at his actions in Mass. as governor. He never fought or threatened to veto anything. He went along and was a very pleasant likable guy. And no I am not a Paulbot nor will I ever be. The other three would make a better better president than Romney. If he doesn’t show some heart and passion he will lose to Obama period!

inspectorudy on January 17, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Portia,

You really should know what you’re talking about before you go attacking Mitt’s religious background. FYI, Mitt served as a Stake President in the LDS church which is analagous to being an archbishop for an archdiocese in the Catholic church. A stake is basically a geographical area containing a group of wards (similar to dioceses). The stake president and his counselors are in charge of running this unit of the church. They do plenty of preaching since they travel around to the different wards in the stake and speak in their sunday meetings.

Although I suspect you know all this with your “star chamber” comment and are just trying to stir the pot. What’s the matter? Did you get excommunicated by a stake president int he past?

drflykilla on January 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM

Thank you for making my point re the Star Chamber although I’ve never attended, I’ve read many an account. And from the accounts I’ve read, that would be a good thing for the Star Chamber.

A stake president is nothing whatsoever like a Bishop or an Archbishop any more than the president of the Mormon church is like the Pope. Mitt has never attended a seminary; never received a theological degree; and certainly never made the ministry his life’s work. Mitt’s theological credetials have more in common with the Reverend Al in the Church of What’s Happening Now. I hope Mitt has a better knowledge of Roman Catholics than you demonstrate here.

Regurgetating what you’ve been taught about other religions by Mormons is a pretty shaky foundation. And I’m not getting into the weeds with you. Please note, however, that I don’t work for the NYT which has already signaled an examination of Mormonism and this whole thing will get into the weeds. What Mormons SHOULD say is something in the order of, “It’s a way of life that gives me peace and answers my spiritual needs.” Then drop it. Don’t be tempted to defend or to “explain” when you do not know other’s level of knowledge which very easily could have been gleaned in a comparative religion class, not a Star Chamber.

You’ll have to trust me that I do NOT want this result since I do not want Obama reelected. I tried to explain to the Mormons that they really needed to stay off the subject entirely since they generally know nothing about other religions and they will fail, fail in a head-on debate with someone who does. What I got in return was an attack by the sheeple which included a mockery of Jesus, the Shroud of Torin and pastors.

And the argument that it’s religion and off bounds is not quite true. Folks would be looking into the particulars of a Muslim running for president, as they would a Scientologist.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 4:11 PM

For your benefit from Wikipedia,

The word pastor usually refers to an ordained leader of a Christian congregation.

So, yes, Romney was a “pastor”.

Gunlock Bill on January 17, 2012 at 3:56 PM

That presupposes that LDS is a Christian congregation. It’s a different religion entirely.

tom on January 17, 2012 at 4:18 PM

You really are stupid.

For your benefit from Wikipedia,

The word pastor usually refers to an ordained leader of a Christian congregation.
So, yes, Romney was a “pastor”.

Gunlock Bill on January 17, 2012 at 3:56 PM

Awwww. There you go with your outreach program again!

and since ya’ll mock Jesus, pastors, etc. etc., how would I ever guess that you’re “Christian”?

Pastors in mainline Christian churches have attended seminaries and have theological degrees. Mitt has neither, thus the reference to Rev Al who is also “ordained”.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 4:22 PM

A better reply by Stevens would have been to claim that unless the format was changed, say to a Huckabee-style debate rather than one staged by the main stream media, they might be more inclined to participate. As a general rule, when it appears that you are probably going to be the frontrunner, duck all debates since you only offer lower tier rivals an opportunity to appear to be at your level and can avoid a slip of the lip or brain freeze moments a la Perry. Then you let your ads focus on criticizing Obama as if you’re already the anointed one; letting you PACs do knife fighting with the remainder of you challengers while you disavow all ties to their misleading admonishments. Game over! Besides, I hear that the fat lady has arrived at the theater and is practicing ‘Moon (Game) Over Miami’.

Bob in VA on January 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM

I was half way around the world and I heard about it.

But I guess since you weren’t old enough to remember it, it must not have happened.

Er, Sixshooter, that wouldn’t be surprising since you’re a Mormon. Those of us here on the East Coast never, ever hear anything about the Mormon church. Except for Sonya Johnson of course. She made big news in the Washington area. And the Temple. They mention that on the traffic report (Oh, and the signs that regularly appear from the overpass reading “Free Dorothy!”).

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 4:36 PM

Optics and packaging, if these debates are unraveling that for us to see the true candidates then we need even more of them.

Skwor on January 17, 2012 at 1:00 PM

The ONLY way to combat Wall Street money.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 5:01 PM

The race will be over by then. Who cares?

MJBrutus on January 17, 2012 at 5:04 PM

Tin man’s going down!! Bank on it!!

abobo on January 17, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I’m pretty close to the point of deciding to simply stay home in November. It’s not worth getting out of bed to vote for Romney.

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Good, stay in bed. You’re insignificant.

Romney will win and be an excellent president.

portlandon on January 17, 2012 at 1:15 PM

How pathetic that you must stoop to point out typos in other commenters’ posts. What Jailbreak was saying obviously hit a nerve. Sorry, but the deranged Romney bashers are getting desperate.

Mitt could beat bozos like Newt and Perry with his hands tied behind his back. If they want more debates with Romney and more opportunities to show voters why Romney is the best, then fine… throw the other candidates a crumb or two. But we’re just delaying the inevitable: i.e., nominating Romney, who is the best candidate, BY FAR, to beat Obama.

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM

From the get go, the original top tier candidates like Perry and Romney should have agreed to some sort of limit like 10 debates (which is still too many)

Of course these long shots who basically decided to use the Primary as a way to become famous or are on a book tour LOVE all of these debates.

Regardless of your thoughts on the candidates and who it helps moving forward, most rational observers have to admit that there’s just way too many debates. Even as a political junkie, I’m completely sick of them.

BradTank on January 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Did you see when the camera panned the audience. Holy crap!!! My TV screen almost broke from laughing.

Next time, they should require audience members to produce a high-school diploma before allowing them admittance.

Jailbreak on January 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM

So, let me get this straight. Romney wants votes only from those who can produce a diploma? And you don’t need the diploma since you can determine their formal education merely by looking at them?

Who was kind enough to graduate you? California Psychics or The Appearances are Everything prep school?

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM

You should clean up with a moist towelette after leaving something like that all over the comment board.

abobo on January 17, 2012 at 5:13 PM

If they show up, Romney has to participate as well, if for no other reason than to keep playing defense and push back a little himself.

So then why does the Romney campaign even bring it up? It only makes them look defensive and whiny.

jnelchef on January 17, 2012 at 5:13 PM

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The sheeple cometh….

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 5:14 PM

He screws up the debate worse than Perry at the beginning at this stage in the campaign? Houston, we’ve got BIG problems.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM

You’re just grasping at straws. Romney has performed brilliantly in the debates. You know it, I know it. The fact that you compare his performance to that of an incompetent buffoon like Perry just shows that you can’t really be taken seriously.

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 5:14 PM

How is he sheeple when he was for Mitt well before it became cool? When the self-professed spokesman for all things “conservatives” were all chasing the flavor of the week claiming victory for Palin, Trump, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Gingrich, Santorum ABR?

MJBrutus on January 17, 2012 at 5:20 PM

I’m pretty close to the point of deciding to simply stay home in November. It’s not worth getting out of bed to vote for Romney.

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Ol Blueb@lls thinks you’re insignificant, but I don’t. And whose good opinion would you rather have? (grin)

We need you in November and for all the month’s before. If we lose the White House the only thing between us and the deep blue sea is a Republican Congress. You give up–even when the establishment gives us General Custer–we go down. Do not ever give up.

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 5:25 PM

I’m pretty close to the point of deciding to simply stay home in November. It’s not worth getting out of bed to vote for Romney.

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM
Good, stay in bed. You’re insignificant.

Romney will win and be an excellent president.

Yeah, just keep telling Conservative Republicans that you idiot.

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 5:29 PM

You’re just grasping at straws. Romney has performed brilliantly in the debates. You know it, I know it. The fact that you compare his performance to that of an incompetent buffoon like Perry just shows that you can’t really be taken seriously.

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM

You and Mitt attend the same debate class?

Portia46 on January 17, 2012 at 5:30 PM

This nomination is mind.It,s my turn.George Wills ,Krauthammer,Rove and the rest of the insiders say so.If you don,t play by my rules.I will just take my ball and go home.

logman1 on January 17, 2012 at 5:47 PM

Good, stay in bed. You’re insignificant.

No conservative voice is insignificant. Why are you so spiteful? You are the type of fan that harms your candidate more than helps him.

jazzuscounty on January 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Romneybott: We need to start resting him up for the General, and if you disagree with me and call me a RINO, then YOU hate America, blah, blah, blah…

shannon76 on January 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM

I’m pretty close to the point of deciding to simply stay home in November. It’s not worth getting out of bed to vote for Romney.

Reggie1971 on January 17, 2012 at 1:55 PM

Please don’t. Even if you don’t vote for Romney, if he’s the nominee, it will be more important than ever to get a more conservative Congress.

tom on January 17, 2012 at 3:32 PM

Mitt risks dragging down every single Republican nominee. Plus the Tea Party congressmen have been effectively neutered by the House leadership. There now is no, nor will there be, any serious conservative-voting bloc in the House or the Senate.

Even if Romney won, which is totally doubtful, there’s no way he can be coaxed to “go to the right.” Such a premise is ludicrous. Who’s going to do that? None of us have any power at all anymore in this whole process. It’s all been taken away by non-conservatives hell-bent on anointing one of “their own” as the nominee.

Reggie’s not the only one. There’s going to be a lot of people out there intent on staying home or voting third-party. Myself included. There’s no reason to vote for someone like Mitt, who is incapable of providing a reason why he deserves our vote. So why bother?

When he loses in a blowout to Obama on November 6th, the GOP did it to themselves.

Myron Falwell on January 17, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Good, stay in bed. You’re insignificant.

No conservative voice is insignificant. Why are you so spiteful? You are the type of fan that harms your candidate more than helps him.

jazzuscounty on January 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

If bluespill is really a Romney supporter (I doubt it, he sounds like a Democrat plant to me) then it’s yet another reason why Mitt deserves to lose.

As the old adage goes, “with friends like that, who needs enemies?”

Myron Falwell on January 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Good, stay in bed. You’re insignificant.

No conservative voice is insignificant. Why are you so spiteful? You are the type of fan that harms your candidate more than helps him.

jazzuscounty on January 17, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Oh, spare me! Anyone who will stay home or, worse, vote for Obama out of spite is no conservative. They are just crybabies. I have no patience for people like that. They overestimate their numbers and importance, but really they amount to little more than a blip on the radar screen. They insignificant with a capital I.

With Obama as the opponent, I would happily and eagerly cast a vote for any one of the other Republicans. Thankfully, though, I will be able to vote for the guy with the best chance of winning. Although I would vote for them in the general, I know that Perry and Newt couldn’t win.

Besides, I think the “I’m going to stay home and laugh!” taunts from Romney-bashers are just empty threats. I don’t take them seriously.

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM

If bluespill is really a Romney supporter (I doubt it, he sounds like a Democrat plant to me) then it’s yet another reason why Mitt deserves to lose.

As the old adage goes, “with friends like that, who needs enemies?”

Myron Falwell on January 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Sorry, I’m not interested in coddling or bowing down to you deranged Romney bashers. You small handful of people don’t have the power you think you have.

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Frankly I for one am tired of the endless debates that we have this go round…To me they are now repetitive and frankly not showing me anything that would make me change my vote one way or another. I would like more forum type or solution type roundtables that talk about their different approaches to issues that come up for those in the WH……Tired of them giving Dems fodder and soundbytes for whoever may be the nominee…..

Karla1953 on January 17, 2012 at 9:12 PM

Sorry, I’m not interested in coddling or bowing down to you deranged Romney bashers. You small handful of people don’t have the power you think you have.

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 7:28 PM

Funny. The deranged calling the normal people deranged.

You can only expect that with Romney worshipers like beergill. Oh, and your average Democrat. :P

Myron Falwell on January 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM

Besides, I think the “I’m going to stay home and laugh!” taunts from Romney-bashers are just empty threats. I don’t take them seriously.

bluegill on January 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Romney’s sad sack of a GOTV drive will resemble a funeral dirge. You just watch. Mitt lose badly in the general when Team Obama swamps him with dead people, criminals, college students, the Black Panthers and the ACORN movement redux.

Mitt can’t compete in this because, well… he just sucks at motivating people. He’s the Marty Shottenhimer of presidential candidates – nothing but “prevent defense” as shown in the above store.

Unlike you, there are people that still have a backbone.

Myron Falwell on January 17, 2012 at 10:09 PM

…as shown in the above store story.

Damn keyboard.

Myron Falwell on January 17, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Let it be written that a funny thing happened on the way to purchasing the Republican nomination,,,,NEWT and Dixieland!

ConcealedKerry on January 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Unlike you, there are people that still have a backbone.

Myron Falwell on January 17, 2012 at 10:09 PM

blah, blah, blah. well, I have more respect for people who will do whatever they can to defeat Obama (regardless of whether their preferred Republican is the nominee) than people who pout like children and threaten to stay home and laugh. I don’t take those babies seriously.

The fact is that Romney is winning the nomination, and it’s turning out to be anything but close. Voters want Romney because they know he’s the man to beat Obama. Romney will be an excellent president! Don’t try to claim credit for helping elect him after he goes down in history as one of the best presidents in modern history.

bluegill on January 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM

The electable candidate: “meow”

Typhonian on January 18, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Romney will be an excellent president! Don’t try to claim credit for helping elect him after he goes down in history as one of the best presidents in modern history.

bluegill on January 18, 2012 at 12:06 AM

Now THAT’s something that will keep me up nights.

And Myron. These aren’t Democrats. They’re Mormons and if you think they’re out telling people how unimportant they are now, just wait for the general.

I once thought I could support Daffy Duck over Obama. Romney’s minions are so adept at winning minds and loyalty, I’m going to be concentrating on helping win the House and the Senate. Can you imagine trying to defend Romney on a blog when this is the calebre of his ardent supporters?

Portia46 on January 18, 2012 at 11:13 AM

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