Open thread: The “I can’t believe they’re having another debate” debate

posted at 8:34 pm on January 16, 2012 by Allahpundit

9 p.m. ET on Fox News. If you’ve been reading the site today, you already know what to expect. Santorum will attack Romney for being an Obama clone, Gingrich will attack both of them for being unelectable, and Romney, I suppose, will attack Newt for his Bain criticism — all of which will be punctuated by grumbling about how unfair the other guy’s Super PAC is. Then Ron Paul will say something about the Fed and Perry will say something self-deprecating, and we’ll rinse and repeat. For two hours.

Philip Klein dares to think a terrible, terrible thought. I’m entitling this blockquote, “What if the tea party never existed?”

Is there anything stopping [Romney] from sweeping all 50 states?

Think about it. Romney has a commanding lead in Florida, and will simply obliterate the field if he enters the Sunshine State after having won South Carolina. And if he does win South Carolina and Florida, what will become of the rest of the field? Rick Perry, who came in fifth in Iowa and bailed on New Hamphshire, already has very little justification for continuing. A distant finish in South Carolina would give him even less reason. It’s true that there are states in which Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich can theoretically beat Romney, but if they can’t beat him in South Carolina, where will they go from there? Even now, Romney has a 23-point lead nationally, according to Gallup.

Sure, perhaps Rep. Ron Paul’s fervent supporters can out-hustle Romney’s organization in a caucus here or there. But it’s also possible that Romney will run the table. Remember, as the field gets narrowed, it’ll get a lot harder for Paul to outright win a state, because he’ll have to start getting into the 40-50-plus point range.

Skim this LA Times piece for a reminder of what makes Klein’s scenario plausible. It’s not just that Romney’s national organization is so solid; it’s that, apart from Ron Paul, he’s the only candidate who even has a national organization. And since I’m beating a dead horse by making that point again, let me beat another one by reminding you that even a Romney loss in South Carolina is unlikely to put Florida in play. PPP’s new poll tonight shows Mitt leading Gingrich there 41/26, and by an even wider margin among voters who say they’ve made up their minds. His favorables are 68/24 generally — better than in Iowa, New Hampshire, or South Carolina — and 70/18 on the narrower issue of his business record. So much for the Bain attacks. In fact, I’m curious to see whether Gingrich brings up Bain tonight or whether Romney himself does. That’ll be the best evidence yet of what the campaigns’ internal polling shows on this issue. Do note that Newt conspicuously passed on a golden opportunity to hit Romney on it yesterday.

Here’s the Hot Air/Townhall livetweet widget. Fox is going to solicit Twitter feedback tonight during the debate to track whether viewers think a candidate is answering a question or dodging it, so there’s one way to kinda sorta amuse yourself as debate fatigue sets in circa 9:05. Exit question: Is it racist to give money to someone in need? It is on MSNBC, apparently.



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This is my happy look….wanna see it again?
*siiigh*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

What on earth could there be left to talk about?

cynccook on January 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

Way too many “debates”.

CorporatePiggy on January 16, 2012 at 8:36 PM

isn’t there another debate on thursday? who keeps scheduling these things?? who?????

peachaeo on January 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Woo-hoo! Another debate! *do I really need the tag?*

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:37 PM

Maybe Romney’s not so week after-all.

aquaviva on January 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Open thread: The “I can’t believe they’re having another debate” debate

I wonder what they will debate tonight? Good Hair grooming tips?

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Ugh. week = weak

aquaviva on January 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

LEEEEETS…GET READY…TO RUUUUUUMBLE!
(There…and here!)

KOOLAID2 on January 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

Two this week – WOO HOO

(that sounded convincing right)

However debate night brings out the best on HA. Entertainment through the roof!

gophergirl on January 16, 2012 at 8:39 PM

This is make or break and I expect it to be nasty….

We shall see.

golfmann on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

From the headlines thread…why is Perry still in?. This whole primary has been a circus show, going from the crazy lady that hates vaccines to a pizza guy who couldn’t manage to keep his pants on, not to mention the old truther kook and the gay obsessed dude. Is it really a surprise Romney is winning this thing?

mythicknight on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I hate that picture of Romney. It is a visual stab in the eye.

GeorgiaBuckeye on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

The Tea Party is dead.

Hating Obama more than loving good policy and true principles killed it.

29Victor on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Who will throw the first Occupy/Democrat line of the night at Romney, Newt or Perry? I’ll go with Perry saying something stupid about vluture capitalism or something first.

Roymunson on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

I wonder what they will debate tonight? Good Hair grooming tips?

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:38 PM

Well, it’s Fox and the WSJ, so I’m hoping it’s more substantive than Georgie and Di.

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

There is no MNF and I expect this will be another circular firing squad.

At least Ron Paul’s falling eyebrow gag will have the crowd rolling.

Bishop on January 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

GeorgiaBuckeye on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

lol

peachaeo on January 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Debate: Who is the Whitest White GOP candidate on stage???

LOL!

Roy Rogers on January 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Contessa Brewer wants to know if the GOP has a degree in candidate overexposure.

BacaDog on January 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I really hate Polls. I mean, why even vote? Why not just let the polls decide? Those random sampling of a few thousand people should just be the end all be all.

Politricks on January 16, 2012 at 8:42 PM

I hate that picture of Romney. It is a visual stab in the eye.

GeorgiaBuckeye on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

At least we won’t have Huntsman’s smug looks and lectures to look forward to tonight…..oh I miss him so much already, Robinson Caruso Huntsman/

He was the last to be voted off the island ;)

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

Debate: Who is the Whitest White GOP candidate on stage???

LOL!

Roy Rogers on January 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

LOL Yeah, too bad Herman Cain turned out to be such a lying horndog, isn’t it?

cynccook on January 16, 2012 at 8:43 PM

As far as the number of debates. I actually like it. I think some people forget that most of these debates take place during the work week during either work or travel hours. I know I have only gotten to watch one or two, so personally I appreciate the amount of debates. Now the people who get paid to watch them or those who have the luxury of not having to work during those times are probably tired of them but alot of working class people arent sitting in front of their tv at 9pm eastern.

#Justsaying

Politricks on January 16, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Well “What if the tea party never existed?” is what the establishment narrative is going to be if Mitt wins the Primary, then if Mitt wins the Primary and goes to the GE and loses. Tea party R.I.P. or it was all media hype I should say. Mitt cant win people. but I have no say in what goes on in the country because I dont live in the first 3 primary states.

boogaleesnots on January 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Everyone know who will win the nomination enough of this crap

liberal4life on January 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Avoiding participating in these “debates” is a very smart move.

Dr. Carlo Lombardi on January 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Harris Faulkner is hosting FOX’s online coverage tonight. I like her.

http://live.foxnews.com/

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

ON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Operational at 8:45PM
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http://live.foxnews.com/

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 8:22 PM

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

*edit. I meant on the west coast lol

Go Ron Paul!!

Politricks on January 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Well, it’s Fox and the WSJ, so I’m hoping it’s more substantive than Georgie and Di.

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Oh we can always hope.

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

I’ll go with Perry saying something stupid about vluture capitalism or something first.

Roymunson on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

Perry’s toast anyway. I don’t know why he insists on hanging on. Newt is on the verge of destroying himself too (and maybe already has).

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Everyone know who will win the nomination enough of this crap

liberal4life on January 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

I know right- two states already voted and Romney’s got 25 delegates that’s like the majority of what he needs to win 1,144.

The 2012 Republican presidential primaries are the selection processes in which voters of the Republican Party will choose their nominee for President of the United States in the 2012 presidential election. There are 2,286 delegates.[3] A candidate must accumulate 1,144 delegate votes to win.[4]

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

It is funny watching Mitt’s face when Perry is attacking him. He always looks like he waiting for Perry to puke on himself.

Roymunson on January 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

Oh we can always hope.

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

Juan Williams is most likely to ask the annoying, bs, questions, imo.

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

I think they’ll all go after Obama. The personal attacks are only helping Romney. I’m looking for them to go all in against The Won.

Rational Thought on January 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

As far as the number of debates. I actually like it.

To be honest, as much as I think Huck’s just a media whore, I liked his format for the forum on Saturday night.

Each candidate individually with questions from the audience. No mentioning the other candidates by name or attacking them.

Just take the question and tell us how you would handle the issue.

BacaDog on January 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Jon Huntsman will sneak in to deliver Chinese food to the 5 guys on stage :D

burrata on January 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

There are 25 delegates up for grabs in South Carolina. It’s not winner take all.

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Thank God we don’t have to listen to Manfred Huntsman speaking Chinese!

kg598301 on January 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

This Perry supporter agrees.
*sigh. waves a tentacle*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Streaming video for those without cable?

Paul-Cincy on January 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I would rather watch The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Wish I was kidding.

Naturally Curly on January 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Rational Thought on January 16, 2012 at 8:49 PM

Here’s hoping. I’m sick of questions that are designed to make them shoot at each other instead of going after Teh Won.

Make Obama the focus. He’s the one that needs to go down in November.

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

Anybody here from Florida that’s already voted?

JPeterman on January 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

A candidate must accumulate 1,144 delegate votes to win.[4]

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

There you go again, using that logic stuff. You should know better than that by now.

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

This Perry supporter agrees.
*sigh. waves a tentacle*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:50 PM

If that’s a chuthlu or whatever reference, I’m going to have to get concerned about you….

cynccook on January 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

As a Perry supporter, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that Romney will be the nominee and I hope he or someone else doesnt damage him beyond repair for Obama.

Donald Draper on January 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Meanwhile, Moochelle beats Barry with her shoe while yelling, “Who’s yer daddy now?”

Roy Rogers on January 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

In case anyone missed this!!
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@Reuters tweeted:
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Rick Perry defends U.S. Marines accused of urinating on corpses
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http://t.co/0cofGDLjStory metadata:
Submitted Jan. 15, 2012, 3:19 p.m. from twitter.com/Reuters by user
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http://www.breakingnews.com/item/ahBicmVha2luZ25ld3Mtd3d3cg0LEgRTZWVkGLLXkgYM/2012/01/15/rick-perry-defends-us-marines-accused-of-urinating-on-corpses-httptco0cofgdlj

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

If that’s a chuthlu or whatever reference, I’m going to have to get concerned about you….

cynccook on January 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

Humboldt Squid.
Close enough

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Perry’s toast anyway. I don’t know why he insists on hanging on. Newt is on the verge of destroying himself too (and maybe already has).

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:46 PM

You answered your own question. If Santorum and Gingrich cancel each other out who does that leave? T Paw has kicked himself for not sticking around and playing clean up.

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

This Perry supporter agrees.
*sigh. waves a tentacle*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:50 PM

I feel your pain. When SP opted out, he was the one I hoped might take up the standard. Ain’t happenin’ and now there’s not anyone I can really get excited about. *waves a claw*

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Humboldt Squid.
Close enough

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

Are you gonna’ start that again?

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

How about an over/under on how many times Allahpundit makes a stupid comment about Tebow in the twitter thread. I’m going with OVER 200…

cicerone on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

So many f’in debates has turned this whole primary into a circus.

What a fiasco. Don’t count on the ‘stupid party’ to change the way the primary is processed by 2016.

KirknBurker on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

If that’s a chuthlu or whatever reference, I’m going to have to get concerned about you….

cynccook on January 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

More than likely a Humboldt Squid.

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

29Victor on January 16, 2012 at 8:40 PM

There was never an independent tea party. Majority of them were Palinistas and once she didn’t run, it promptly vanished into oblivion.

promachus on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

A candidate must accumulate 1,144 delegate votes to win.[4]

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:48 PM

There you go again, using that logic stuff. You should know better than that by now.

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:51 PM

I’m just not much of a hand wringer…I’m just way too evil GRIN.

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Oops. Ya beat me to it, atl.

predator on January 16, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Evening all. Anyone else livestreaming, I got a slow player at right scoop and fox.

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

As a Perry supporter, I’ve resigned myself to the fact that Romney will be the nominee and I hope he or someone else doesnt damage him beyond repair for Obama.

Donald Draper on January 16, 2012 at 8:52 PM

No fear.. the media and Axelrod will take care of that for you… see… Romney’s creepy cult relgion stories, he’s an evil rich guy who wants all poor people to die etc…

Stick a fork in us all if Romney’s the guy… because we are so done for.

glidingone on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Are you gonna’ start that again?

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Sure, why not.
*runs*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

I’m just not much of a hand wringer…I’m just way too evil GRIN.

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Does that mean you have gotten to the point of just enjoying the spectacle?

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Right scoop is working good now. http://www.therightscoop.com/9pm-watch-gop-fox-news-debate/

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 8:53 PM

As much as T-Paw was kinda squishy too, he’d be tearing into Mitt’s voters at least and maybe picking up a few more.

At least T-Paw was not as awkward as Mitt or as big a lieing sack of….

Too bad.

KirknBurker on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Sure, why not.
*runs*

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Well, if you’re gonna’ run, that isn’t exactly starting it again.
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chicken

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:57 PM

@nytjim tweeted:

Karl Rove on Fox News says #Romney needs to address #Bain issue during debate and convince general election voters.
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Submitted 7 mins ago from twitter.com/nytjim by editor

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Good evening cozmo, seen any drinking game rules around here?

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

You all do realize holding the debate on MLK Jr. day is racist, right? :-P

ThePrez on January 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

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canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Good evening cozmo, seen any drinking game rules around here?

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

At this point, who needs rules.

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

Everyone know who will win the nomination enough of this crap

liberal4life on January 16, 2012 at 8:45 PM

Thank you for that breathtaking nugget of political wisdom. I take it that means you won’t be watching with us tonight?

kthxby

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 8:59 PM

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

Good evening cozmo, seen any drinking game rules around here?

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

I suggested 2 slurps every time Tesla mentions sex/homosexuality.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

You all do realize holding the debate on MLK Jr. day is racist, right? :-P

ThePrez on January 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Wouldn’t have it any other way.

cozmo on January 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Tally-Ho,here we go!!!

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

The crowd is into it.

predator on January 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Good evening cozmo, seen any drinking game rules around here?

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Reagan Conservative
Massachusettes Moderate
Fundamentally

JPeterman on January 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

it
starts
now

burrata on January 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Woooooooooooooohooooooooooo, here we go!

kg598301 on January 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Fox News Debate Linky!

http://live.foxnews.com/

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Here we go…

… Does everyone have their drinky poos ready?

Seven Percent Solution on January 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Ronulan got booed.
Heh.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Five Guys?
They’re serving burgers tonight?

onlineanalyst on January 16, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Oh yay Juan Williams!

Roymunson on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Wow, big room.

JohnGalt23 on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Tweeting Twits in a Twitter!!
(sarc)

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Its not that the debates are still going its that they were started too early, finally now we may see some real movement among the candidates.

How is it that Mitt gets a pass on his negative ads?

Newt has a narrow opportunity and Rick has to get it on, with the economy.

Speakup on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Oh no, not Juan! I want Meghyn!

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn’t consulting firms count as free enterprise and capitalism?
Correct me if I am wrong, but hasn’t some of the conservative ideas about government employees being transitioned to contractors to the government been floated as well and as free market alternatives to the status quo?
So, doesn’t this mean that all those attacks that were argued as legitimate just a few short weeks ago on Newt’s contracted outsourced work with Freddie Mac constitute an attack on free enterprise and market capitalism?
Isn’t this exactly the kind of attack that will destroy any chance we have of making a transition from government provided services to private sector services?
So doesn’t this indicate that those making the attacks want the government to remain big government?
Romney and Romney supporters are attacking capitalism and working to destroy our way of life!

Not only that, this same sort of argument means that attacking Newt’s campaign is an attack on our republican form of government and our entire way of life!

astonerii on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

juan williams ?
Really
Juan Williams ??

burrata on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

JPeterman on January 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM

Perfect, thanks Jpeterman. still no news for you on the book.

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Dog owners……ahem..roof!

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Happy MLK day, Drink!

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Who’s the statue of the Chinese guy…?

Seven Percent Solution on January 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Bain out of the box?

JPeterman on January 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

Oh crap, here we go.

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

As much as T-Paw was kinda squishy too, he’d be tearing into Mitt’s voters at least and maybe picking up a few more.

At least T-Paw was not as awkward as Mitt or as big a lieing sack of….

Too bad.

KirknBurker on January 16, 2012 at 8:56 PM

That’s why Michelle Bachmann was running to attack folks like T Paw.

I still think there was a head fake going on when Perry said, he was reassessing going on to South Carolina after Iowa. Bachmann was headed for South Carolina before that, and then she threw in the towel.

Mitt’s out of stalking horses. Santorum is fighting outside of his weight class IMO. That leaves Gingrich, Perry and everybody’s Crazy Uncle :)

Dr Evil on January 16, 2012 at 9:03 PM

haha some people cheered when bret said huntsman dropped out….

Oh no, not Juan! I want Meghyn!

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 9:02 PM

me too =(

Sachiko on January 16, 2012 at 9:04 PM

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