Perry: You know, at times, I can really relate to Moses

posted at 5:00 pm on January 15, 2012 by Tina Korbe

If nothing else, Rick Perry — in all his imperfection — remains likable. In fact, he’s arguably even more likable now than when he entered the presidential race with all the apparent arrogance of a man who had famously never lost an election. Chastened by his own mistakes, he’s learned to take himself lightly but his principles seriously.

That was the message he delivered today at the South Carolina Faith and Freedom Coalition breakfast. He light-heartedly referred to his debate stumbles, but reminded listeners that he’ll stand up for conservative principles. National Journal relates a particularly memorable moment:

Rick Perry’s no stranger to gaffes, but he has tried to turn it into an asset, making self-deprecating jokes about it on the campaign trail.

On Sunday, he found an ally in a fellow speech-challenged leader that drew laughs from the audience of the South Carolina Faith and Freedom Coalition prayer breakfast: Moses.

“Moses, he tried to talk [G]od out of making him go lead the people,” Perry told the crowd of about 300. “He wasn’t a good speaker. Now, from time to time I can relate to that.”

Talk about knowing your audience! Perry was very on point to deliver that quip to this particular crowd. Maybe he’s like Moses in another way, too. While it’s true Moses didn’t think of himself as a particularly effective spokesperson (Exodus 4:10), he was known to others as “powerful in speech” (Acts 7:22). Perhaps Perry is on his way to that (if not the nomination), as well: His speech today earned him a standing ovation.


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Well, why even believe what is in the Bible is at all correct if you don’t believe in God?

Kraken on January 15, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Your question is puzzling. Whether or not the story is true regarding the basic history, it tells about of a man of certain character and moral sensibilities.

Do we want a President who thinks that way? Do we want a President who does horrific things to helpless people and then justifies it on the basis that God told him to do it?

Moses was a very primitive savage. People soon learned it was better to subjugate defeated people and incorporate them into your empire rather than butcher them all.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

OOPS! Forgot the linky!

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

“Perry insists South Carolina primary is not his Alamo”
Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Perry likens his South Carolina stand to the Alamo

“Gov. Rick Perry said Sunday that he’s not giving up on the race for the Republican presidential nomination, comparing himself to the fighters who rode back into the Alamo knowing there would be no reinforcements coming.”

If I were a Texan I’d avoid likening my efforts to the fate of the Alamo.

whatcat on January 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Yeah, like you started out with respect before he said this.

You’re not just a troll, but you’re a particularity ugly one.

Kraken on January 15, 2012

This is a rhetorical question, because I am quite sure you don’t. Do you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that I am not coming from a position of blanket Perry in principle in advance, but I am disrespecting what he said here, because comparing himself to a mass murderer and facilitator of systematic child rape is, in my view, disrespectful? In principle and in fact?

Do you have the intellectual honesty to do this? Because I don’t think you do.

To help you out, this is exactly what I said regarding Perry in the thread before this one:

Perry’s right.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 4:20 PM

But I’m sure that will make no difference to you, and you will refuse to back down from your erroneous assumption:

Yeah, like you started out with respect before he said this.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM

*This is a rhetorical question, because I am quite sure you don’t. Do you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that I am not coming from a position of blanket disrespecting Perry ….

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:22 PM

I thought it was very honest and cute. Furthermore, he’s been doing very well on the trail, up to five stops a day to warm, receptive audiences.

The “oops” was Nov. 9, nine debates ago; he’s had nothing but perfect debates since then, some pundits even claimed that he won a couple of them.

And at last night’s forum, he was the hands-down winner!

GO PERRY!!

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:22 PM

Isn’t it amazing that such a wonderful story about Perry still manages to draw out the Perry haters with their hateful comments?

What is it about Perry that causes the Mittbots to froth at the mouth?

TheRightMan on January 15, 2012 at 5:34 PM

More competition for their cult figure SuperMitt to be destroyed. Just sit back and watch their complete fecklessness when the time comes to start attacking Obama. It’ll be hilarious.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Messed up the link, such a noob.

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Why? I find nothing wrog at all with this statement.

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I think he’s finally getting warmed up :) When he was answering questions at the Huckabee forum you could tell everyone was comfortable with each other. Southerners don’t have a problem with other Southerner’s accent :)

I thought Rick Santorum on the other hand came off like Mr Rodgers in that sweater. I was waiting to hear him break into “It’s a lovey day in the neighborhood”

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Moses — ironically — was a lot like Hitler

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Sounds like Random is a Bronco’s fan…

… who’s prayers went unanswered.

It’s only a football game, Dude…

/

Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Do you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that I am not coming from a position of blanket Perry in principle in advance, but I am disrespecting what he said here, because comparing himself to a mass murderer and facilitator of systematic child rape is, in my view, disrespectful? In principle and in fact?

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Wow, maybe you ought to suggest that to Romney’s SuperPAC to use in an anti-Perry ad, and let’s see how well it goes over.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Uh, according to brilliant commenter Random, Moses was a child rape advocate? I’m supposed to take this seriously? Why?

HeckOnWheels on January 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

No he doesn’t. Someone like Santorum seems likable. Perry comes across as a d-bag.

Dongemaharu on January 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM

You have that upside-down. Santorum comes off as a whiny, he has ever since the first debates and he liked to bit#h and moan that he wasn’t getting enough time. Perry has always remained likeable.

Here’s some highlights of Santorum in a debate when he gets mad… it ain’t pretty. D-bag is the only word to describe him. Wow, this will not go well in a debate against O:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkbfGYLHFA&feature=related

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

whatcat on January 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

I already figured out a long time ago that you are not a Texan. You don’t have terrible manners. I figured you must of came out of a Midwest state.

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

*More competition for their cult figure SuperMitt ….

I don’t support Mitt Romney at all (except that he had a right to engage in Capitalism) and have been saying for months that he’s unelectable.

Seriously, do you people ever think outside of basic word associations and surface-level facile assumptions?

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Haha! ITA :)

Perry was superb at Huck’s forum, he was ON FIRE!!

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Do we want a President who thinks that way? Do we want a President who does horrific things to helpless people and then justifies it on the basis that God told him to do it?

Moses was a very primitive savage. People soon learned it was better to subjugate defeated people and incorporate them into your empire rather than butcher them all.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

Are we going to examine Mormonism next?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Uh, according to brilliant commenter Random, Moses was a child rape advocate? I’m supposed to take this seriously? Why?

HeckOnWheels on January 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

Thank you…I may not be a biblical scholar, but can someone point me to scripture where this is stated?

ccrosby on January 15, 2012 at 6:30 PM

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Just like their leader (and McCain before), Mitt’s says of Obama that he’s “misguided” — utter milquetoast!

I want a guy who calls Obama what he REALLY is, a socialist –that’s PERRY.

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:30 PM

*You have that upside-down. Santorum comes off as a whiny…

I like Santorum’s personality and think Quin Hillyer had an excellent piece today about how Santorum has punched above his weight in his state for a Republican in election after election … including the 1 out of 5 that he didn’t win. Santorum’s policies? Not so much a fan for the most part. But I think his ability to give a speech and campaign is top-notch.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Haha! ITA :)

Perry was superb at Huck’s forum, he was ON FIRE!!

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Whatever they did to help his back worked. Anita’s family is in the medical field. I bet someone stepped forward with a pain remedy.

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

Seriously, do you people ever think outside of basic word associations and surface-level facile assumptions?

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Seriously, do you ever read a post? Did I mention your name?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

“Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s lawyers filed a motion with a federal appeals court Sunday, seeking to win him a place on the Republican presidential primary ballot in Virginia even though his campaign failed to gather the 10,000 signatures required by state law…

However, Gibney said Perry and the other candidates would like have prevailed on their claim that a Virginia requirement that ballot petition circulators be Virginia residents violates the Constitution.

In a motion filed at 7 A.M. Sunday with the Richmond-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, Perry’s legal team argues that it would have been too speculative for them to file suit before Perry failed to make the 10,000 signature threshold last month. Perry asks that his name be placed on the March 6 ballot or, at a minimum, that the printing of ballots be suspended until his lawsuit can be resolved…

About 90 minutes after the motion was filed, the 4th Circuit issued an order requiring the state’s lawyers to respond to Perry’s application by Monday.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/01/rick-perry-appeals-for-slot-on-virginia-ballot-110887.ht

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Are we going to examine Mormonism next?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:29 PM

If Romney compares himself to John Smith? Absolutely.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Thank you…I may not be a biblical scholar, but can someone point me to scripture where this is stated?

ccrosby on January 15, 2012

I already have. Numbers 31. Read it.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

“He wasn’t a good speaker. Now, from time to time I can relate to that.”

He jokingly quipped that he could relate to Moses not being a “good speaker”.

Gasp! Imagine if he had compared his previous business record to Barak “the great Satan” Obama’s auto industry bailout?

/

Flora Duh on January 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Hello? Is this thing on? thump, thump thump.

This isn’t about religion or purity.

It’s about saving our Nation. Or surrendering our Nation.

You pick, 2012.

Key West Reader on January 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:29 PM

Mark this day on your calendar. You said something that I can really get behind, mostly. We’re electing our nation’s POTUS, not priest or rabbi. It’s time that everyone got their heads on straight and stopped countenancing all of the religious pandering of groups like this. And it’s also well past time that politicians (I’m looking at you Perry and Santorum) stop playing to the cheap seats of religious prejudice.

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Whatever they did to help his back worked. Anita’s family is in the medical field. I bet someone stepped forward with a pain remedy.

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

I think he jumped in the race while his back wasn’t healed yet.

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 6:34 PM

I think he’s finally getting warmed up

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:24 PM

Not impossible.

kunegetikos on January 15, 2012 at 6:34 PM

If Romney compares himself to John Smith? Absolutely.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Aren’t Mormons in some way always comparing themselves to Joseph Smith, by the way? In much the same way that Lutherans want to stack up against Luther, Methodists against Wesley, and on and on. So…is Mitt’s Mormonism a problem for you? Are you an anti-religious bigot?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

I prefer Hammurabi.
Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:16 PM

You mean the putative author of these laws?

192. If a son of a paramour or a prostitute say to his adoptive father or mother: “You are not my father, or my mother,” his tongue shall be cut off.

193. If the son of a paramour or a prostitute desire his father’s house, and desert his adoptive father and adoptive mother, and goes to his father’s house, then shall his eye be put out.

194. If a man give his child to a nurse and the child die in her hands, but the nurse unbeknown to the father and mother nurse another child, then they shall convict her of having nursed another child without the knowledge of the father and mother and her breasts shall be cut off.

195. If a son strike his father, his hands shall be hewn off.

Yeah, he wasn’t “evil” or barbaric at all…

/s

cs89 on January 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

I appreciate Random pointing the hypocrisy of those who condemn Mohammed, yet apologize and try to justify the actions of Moses. It really shows that their hatred of Islam is just blind bigotry and racism towards the various non-European groups who follow Islam, rather than a principled stand against the barbarism of the founder.

When they aren’t openly excusing Moses’ actions, they make comments like “lighten up dude”. Gee, you realize a muslim could make the same comments regarding Muhammed, right? “Being a raping mass-murderer is no big deal, when you’re like, a prophet, and stuff.”

Someone who isn’t a blind partisan bigot would condemn Moses with just as much gusto as they condemn Muhammed. More actually. Hypocrites.

Daikokuco on January 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

About 90 minutes after the motion was filed, the 4th Circuit issued an order requiring the state’s lawyers to respond to Perry’s application by Monday.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/01/rick-perry-appeals-for-slot-on-virginia-ballot-110887.ht

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 6:32 PM

That reads like a reasonable argument. I don’t think Virginia really wants to disenfranchise voters. Imagine if this wasn’t happening to Republicans but to Democrats. I wonder if the ruling would have been the same?

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Are we going to examine Mormonism next?

Sure.

Joseph Smith was a liar, a convicted fraudster, someone who used his charismatic control over the church to get access to copious amounts of young women in arranged marriages, including some we would legally call girls these days, and he was a racist, as were the early Presidents of the Church.

He was still a damn site nicer guy than Moses, however. And I would of course criticize Romney if he compared himself to Joseph Smith.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Daikokuco on January 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

Ron Paul supporter?

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 6:32 PM

Not impossible.

kunegetikos on January 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

The Perry we saw last night was the Perry from the Tea Party rallies and the Hannity Freedom concerts from ’09 and ’10 (I saw them on youtube, since I’m not a Texan).

I pray my heart out that the people of SC give him a second look.

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Moses — ironically — was a lot like Hitler

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Wow that’s awesome,

Just a few questions to make clear that we are talking about the same guy

1) Who is this Moses guy? 2) Have you ever met him? 3) do you know anybody who has met with this Moses guy? Do you know where Moses grave is?

OrthodoxJew on January 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

It really shows that their hatred of Islam is just blind bigotry and racism

Daikokuco on January 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

How could it be racism when most Muslims are Caucasian?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

I am not 100% sure why Perry has fully floundered after several consecutive strong debates free of senior moments, and the debunking of the point that he’s pro-illegal. He brings the message that is on target: we have to cut this govt monster big, and the war on religion needs to be joined.
Ultimately, I still have hopes for Perry, but it seems he’s done. I’ve come out for Mitt ‘of all people’ now. Why Mitt? “He’s not that bad.” Maybe he’ll be good or great even. Santorum, though very likable, has too much of a penchant for expressing perceived to be extreme views in a blunt clumsy undiplomatic fashion. This will lose in November, and OCare & the Supreme Court for a generation are at stake. Take gay marriage: Mitt has the same position as Santorum, but comes off sounding reasonable. Newt? Here’s 1 salient point as expressed moments ago on free republic: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2833343/posts?page=11

The Newt & Nancy couch thing wasn’t some undeliberate fluke. Newt’s deep “environmental studies” professor roots don’t bode well for the anti-treehuggers. Skeptic blogs are repulsed by the thought of Newt, and will not endorse him, even going so far as to pick Romney: http://www.real-science.com/calling-republican-race
I think the skeptics thinking on backing Romney over Newt is that Mitt may pretty much go with the R flow on this issue, while Newt may have enough belief in the idiocy to rock the R boat, like Newt did repeatedly in the ‘90s on environmental issues.

anotherJoe on January 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Your question is puzzling. Whether or not the story is true regarding the basic history, it tells about of a man of certain character and moral sensibilities.

He was commanded by God, who represented the highest authority as far as Moses was concerned.

Do we want a President who thinks that way? Do we want a President who does horrific things to helpless people and then justifies it on the basis that God told him to do it?

You make an assumption that the God who commended Moses to kill the Medianites in response to THEIR affront to God (read Numbers 24) somehow influences Perry today. Interesting, since Perry was merely referencing Moses speaking problem as an example of his own.

Moses was a very primitive savage. People soon learned it was better to subjugate defeated people and incorporate them into your empire rather than butcher them all.

Right…..

Kraken on January 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM

He was still a damn site nicer guy than Moses, however. And I would of course criticize Romney if he compared himself to Joseph Smith.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Wait a second. Are you admitting that the biblical account is actually true?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Moses, in a moment of pure trust or pure insanity (take your pick), once told God that He couldn’t kill off the Israelites. When God responded that He would spare Moses and his house (meaning wife), Moses said no, you have to kill me too since I’m their leader.

God backed down. I bet no preacher ever taught you that it is possible to tell God what to do and live to write it down.

platypus on January 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM

This isn’t about religion or purity.

It’s about saving our Nation. Or surrendering our Nation.

You pick, 2012.

Key West Reader on January 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Exactly! Let’s remember the face of our true enemy: Barack Obama.

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Aren’t Mormons in some way always comparing themselves to Joseph Smith, by the way? In much the same way that Lutherans want to stack up against Luther, Methodists against Wesley, and on and on. So…is Mitt’s Mormonism a problem for you? Are you an anti-religious bigot?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:35 PM

So it’s Joseph Smith. So you can see how ignorant I am about Mormonism and why it would be important to discuss what kind of person he was if Romney was comparing himself to Smith. You get that, don’t you?

I am not an anti-religious bigot at all. I believe in God. I believe Christianity does the best job of describing God out of all of the religions.

Are you using religion the same way the race baiters use race, accusing anyone who questions your dogmas of bigotry?

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Exactly! Let’s remember the face of our true enemy: Barack Obama.

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM

The problem is, to Mittbots that’s not exactly true. The “true enemy” are those within the GOP voter universe who would deny their idol the nomination. That’s where their hatred and bile are directed.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:41 PM

How could it be racism when most Muslims are Caucasian?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Using an antiquated term invented by and for racists is, well, pretty racist, for starters.

Secondly, are you denying that Jews, Irish, Italians, and many other so-called “caucasians” (in that idiotic racist classification scheme) have been openly discriminated against in the past?

Daikokuco on January 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM

Let’s remember the face of our true enemy evil: Barack Obama.

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:39 PM

FIFY.

platypus on January 15, 2012 at 6:43 PM

So it’s Joseph Smith. So you can see how ignorant I am about Mormonism and why it would be important to discuss what kind of person he was if Romney was comparing himself to Smith. You get that, don’t you?

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:40 PM

Romney’s following the teachings and example of Joseph Smith — in other words using Joseph Smith as a yardstick in the same way that Lutherans use Luther — so is Mormonism a legit topic of debate?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:43 PM

I am not 100% sure why Perry has fully floundered after several consecutive strong debates free of senior moments, and the debunking of the point that he’s pro-illegal. He brings the message that is on target: we have to cut this govt monster big, and the war on religion needs to be joined.

anotherJoe on January 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Because he has no ideas that are realistic or useful. I haven’t gotten on his case for vaccinations or immigration, etc, most of which I’m more or less with him. I haven’t seen the kind of agenda from him that make his candidacy worth considering. Sending Social Security to the states? Making Congress somehow work half time? A 20% flat tax that isn’t? He wants to drill for oil, cool, who in the field doesn’t? Seriously, what has he put out there to vote for?

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Perry nailed the Romney Ad Guy coining the phrase to use against Meg Whitman…

“Rick Perry has no regrets, at least when it comes to “vulture” capitalism.

The Texas governor and presidential hopeful used the comment to describe Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital last week, and when asked whether he has “any regrets for using that phrase” by George Stephanopoulos on ABC News’s “This Week,” he replied:

“It’s not a new phrase. It was used by Stuart Stevens, who was one of Mitt Romney’s consultants, against Meg Whitman. I think the issue for everyone is, look, this is something that we knew wasn’t going to come up. And it’s better to be talking about it here in January in South Carolina than it is in September and October with a nominee. So if it’s a fatal flaw, then we need to talk about it now.

Stevens, now Romney’s ad-maker, was the consultant for Whitman rival Steve Poizner in the GOP primary for California governor last year, when the phrase was used in an ad featuring vultures. Whitman, the former eBay CEO, is a Romney backer.”

http://www.politico.com//blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/perry-namechecks-romney-adviser-on-vulture-capitalism

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Using an antiquated term invented by and for racists is, well, pretty racist, for starters.

Secondly, are you denying that Jews, Irish, Italians, and many other so-called “caucasians” (in that idiotic racist classification scheme) have been openly discriminated against in the past?

Daikokuco on January 15, 2012 at 6:42 PM

You want to call someone a “racist” while yet denying there is such a thing as a “race”?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM

So…is Mitt’s Mormonism a problem for you? Are you an anti-religious bigot?

I would prefer a leader who isn’t superstitious; I’ll grant you that. But seeing as how that is impossible with the electorate at this point in history (it may actually have been possible in the past when Thomas Jefferson was elected, for example) then at the least, I’d prefer leaders who don’t identify with, probably, the most accomplished horrifically murderous figure in the entire primitive Bible. At least if they identify with Jesus or with Solomon I can see an attempt at wisdom and decency.

I mean, take Gordon B. Hinckley. No, I don’t believe he is a true prophet. Yes, I suspect on some level he knows he isn’t. But if you read his books, which I did a bit, he was pretty mellow actually.

If someone said they related with, oh, Rommel, I might look sideways at him. If he said he related with Claus von Stauffenberg, I could admire that on some level. But if, on the other hand, he said, “I can totally relate with Himmler in a lot of ways,” yeah, I’d have an issue with that.

Moses was Himmler on steroids.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Regarding Perry’s awful debates…

It was Perry who made Mitt say “I can’t have illegals, for Pete’s sake, I’m running for president” I love that one.

It was to Perry that Mitt said, “I’ll bet you $10,000.”

Gingrich is running an ad which shows many of Mitt’s flubs in debates and most of the time it is in response to Perry.

Mitt makes alot of debate gaffes. He gets flustered when challenged. The media just doesn’t harp on them at all. But they will if he’s the nominee.

monalisa on January 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM

Sending Social Security to the states?

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM

That should be right down Mittbot Alley, since they’re all of a sudden such worshipers of the 10th Amendment.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

This is a rhetorical question, because I am quite sure you don’t. Do you have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that I am not coming from a position of blanket Perry in principle in advance, but I am disrespecting what he said here, because comparing himself to a mass murderer and facilitator of systematic child rape is, in my view, disrespectful? In principle and in fact?

Do you have the intellectual honesty to do this? Because I don’t think you do.

I have the “intellectual honesty” to have actually read the Bible. Try it some time before you pull stuff out of context.

Kraken on January 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

As a candidate Perry’s strengths was he has nice hair. Other then that he was an dim bulb empty suit who thought he was going to get handed the nomination.

I guess the other plus about him is he isn’t really a god squader. Oh sure he mouths the platitudes that inbred mouth breathing christianofascits demand to hear but he doesn’t strike me as being dumb enough to believes in that mass delusional stupidity. Still his hair is his best asset.

Your Mamma loves me on January 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

And I should have used past tense exclusively with Hinckley. I’m aware he passed away, but he was the leader of the Mormon church at the time I was reading its literature, so he is who came to my mind.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Moses was Himmler on steroids.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM

So you’re saying the biblical account is true.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:47 PM

Moses was Himmler on steroids.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:45 PM

How can he be Himmler if he’s Hitler already?

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

You want to call someone a “racist” while yet denying there is such a thing as a “race”?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Its pretty fking racist to divide people up into BS classifications that don’t exist, based on how YOU preceive them to be different. Racism is very real and exists because people (like you) believe in the concept of “race”, and speak and act accordingly. Not because there actually are different “races”.

Daikokuco on January 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Please don’t feed the troll.

Perry made the comment with respect to one specific trait of Moses. If a singer says he can relate to Michael Jackson’s difficulty with fame, that doesn’t mean he’s doing things with children at his estate.

McDuck on January 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Your Mamma loves me on January 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

Don’t you have an appointment to go trainspotting?

platypus on January 15, 2012 at 6:49 PM

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:46 PM

If we lived in a theoretical fantasy land where SS never existed I wouldn’t call it silly. But there is no way in the world that anyone could win an election in the nation on that platform. Sorry, but pragmatism trumps any such notion. No matter how much you or I may think it proper for SS to go away or devolve to the states it will not happen and neither will any other promise because nobody wins elections by going there.

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:49 PM

How can he be Himmler if he’s Hitler already?

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Multiple personalities.

platypus on January 15, 2012 at 6:50 PM

Yeah, you don’t have that degree of intellectual honesty, Kraken.

Of me, you said this:

Yeah, like you started out with respect before he said this.

But before this comment where I criticized Perry’s voluntary self-association with Moses, I said this about Perry this very afternoon:

“Perry’s right.”

Full stop. No equivocations on another topic.

Thus invalidating your premise, which you do not have either the honesty nor decency to correct.

As I predicted.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Its pretty fking racist to divide people up into BS classifications that don’t exist, based on how YOU preceive them to be different. Racism is very real and exists because people (like you) believe in the concept of “race”…

Daikokuco on January 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

I’m not the one that used the term “racist”, you are. Now if there are no races, and there are no real differences, you’ve undercut your entire point. Opposition to or even hatred of Islam (which wouldn’t include my attitude toward Islam) wouldn’t be “racist”.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Romney’s following the teachings and example of Joseph Smith — in other words using Joseph Smith as a yardstick in the same way that Lutherans use Luther — so is Mormonism a legit topic of debate?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:43 PM

Most people who believe in God and follow a religion nowadays understand its mostly metaphorical. If Romney believes everything Joseph Smith said was literally true and should be followed to the letter, then we really do desperately need to discuss it.

No one believes Romney thinks that way, but if he started comparing himself to Joseph Smith ………?

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

I already have. Numbers 31. Read it.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Yes, and it doesn’t say anything about raping women and children. Then again, you did link “The Skeptic’s Bible.” Perhaps you would like to share with us the context of that story, hmmm?

I bet you refer to Leviticus about killing off adulterers and homosexuals as well. Without, of course, pointing out that those laws were for the Jews alone. They accepted a covenant with God and these were the rules they chose to abide by in order to be considered God’s chosen people. No bearing on gentiles at all…

As for Numbers 31…context my friend. Here’s one commentary to get you started. And there are many more easily accessible by Google.

I doubt it will change your mind, but at least you’ll know the other side of the argument.

Pattosensei on January 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:31 PM

The Perry we saw last night was the Perry from the Tea Party rallies and the Hannity Freedom concerts from ’09 and ’10 (I saw them on youtube, since I’m not a Texan).

I pray my heart out that the people of SC give him a second look.

Aslans Girl on January 15, 2012 at 6:37 PM

Southerners are gracious people. I truly think the South Carolina primary is going to be about jobs. I thought Perry hit it out of the ball park with his response to the question about the NLRB. He can relate to South Carolina, the Federal Government is messing with Texas, but what they are doing to South Carolina, because it’s a right to work state is even worse than what they have been doing to us and South Carolina needs jobs. I think they are almost at 10% unemployment.

It get’s lost on people that Texas has the job creation record but that makes it unpopular with the Obama administration not popular.

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM

McDuck on January 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

And, I should add, it doesn’t mean the hypothetical singer is giving approval to everything Michael Jackson did either.

I can’t believe this thread has devolved into this ridiculous debate. Why people take such obvious bait is beyond me.

McDuck on January 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM

If we lived in a theoretical fantasy land where SS never existed I wouldn’t call it silly. But there is no way in the world that anyone could win an election in the nation on that platform. Sorry, but pragmatism trumps any such notion.

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:49 PM

OK, so ObamaCare is here to stay, and we should just learn to accept it.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Multiple personalities.

platypus on January 15, 2012 at 6:50 PM

That explains everything!

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Seriously, do you people ever think outside of basic word associations and surface-level facile assumptions?

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:28 PM

You apparently missed this thread…

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Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM

If Romney believes everything Joseph Smith said was literally true and should be followed to the letter, then we really do desperately need to discuss it.

No one believes Romney thinks that way, but if he started comparing himself to Joseph Smith ………?

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

John Lennon compared himself to Jesus. Did that make Lennon a Fundie?

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Perry made the comment with respect to one specific trait of Moses. ……

McDuck on January 15, 2012 at 6:48 PM

Good point. If people had responded that way instead of trying to defend the primitive savage, Moses, the discussion might have ended right there.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Oh dear – this is quite the thread

gophergirl on January 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Because he has no ideas that are realistic or useful. I haven’t gotten on his case for vaccinations or immigration, etc, most of which I’m more or less with him. I haven’t seen the kind of agenda from him that make his candidacy worth considering. Sending Social Security to the states? Making Congress somehow work half time? A 20% flat tax that isn’t? He wants to drill for oil, cool, who in the field doesn’t? Seriously, what has he put out there to vote for?

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:44 PM

Rep. Tim Johnson, Ill. filed the Citizen Legislators Act 1/12/2012
http://timjohnson.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=29&sectiontree=7,29&itemid=501

It calls for many of the same measures Perry does in his Legislative Branch Reform Policy.

http://www.rickperry.org/uproot-and-overhaul-washington-html/

Galveston County: A Model for Social Security Reform
“The Galveston Plan was implemented just before the U.S. Congress passed a reform bill in 1983 that closed the door for local governments to opt out of Social Security…

* Workers making $17,000 a year are expected to receive about 50 percent more per month on our alternative plan than on Social Security – $1,036 instead of $683. [See the Figure.]
* Workers making $26,000 a year will make almost double Social Security’s return – $1,500 instead of $853.
* Workers making $51,000 a year will get $3,103 instead of $1,368.
* Workers making $75,000 or more will nearly triple Social Security – $4,540 instead of $1,645.
* Galveston County’s survivorship benefits pay four times a worker’s annual salary – a minimum of $75,000 to a maximum $215,000 – versus Social Security, which forces widows to wait until age 60 to qualify for benefits, or provides 75 percent of a worker’s salary for school-age children.

n Galveston, if the worker dies before retirement, the survivors receive not only the full survivorship but get generous accidental death benefits, too. Galveston County’s disability benefit also pays more: 60 percent of an individual’s salary, better than Social Security’s.

Two government studies of the Galveston Plan – by the Government Accountability Office and the Social Security Administration – claim that low-wage workers do better under Social Security. However, these studies assumed a low 4 percent return, which is the minimum rate of return on annuities guaranteed by the insurance companies. The actual returns have been substantially higher.

Guidance for Today’s Reformers. Congress could consider making participation in any privatization plan voluntary at first. We made our plan voluntary in the beginning and 70 percent joined. It later became mandatory, and now there is full participation. Also, if some workers remain uncertain about investing a portion of their contributions, the plan could include a guarantee that low-income earners receive the same funds they would get with total participation in Social Security.

Our experience has shown that even though low-income workers would do better, a guarantee would ease their worries. Moderate- and higher-income workers would do much better, as ours do, because they have invested more in the plan and are not prejudicially punished or “topped out” on retirement benefits, as they are in Social Security.

In today’s debate about whether to partially privatize Social Security, the Galveston County plan is sometimes demagogued. But our experience should be judged factually and fairly, not emotionally, politically or on the basis of hearsay. We sought a secure, risk-free alternative to the Social Security system, and it has worked very well for nearly a quarter-century. Our retirees have prospered, and our working people have had the security of generous disability and accidental death benefits.

Most important, we didn’t force our children and grandchildren to be unduly taxed and burdened for our retirement while these fine young people are struggling to raise and provide for their own families…”

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba514

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 6:55 PM

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:18 PM

True, but you forget that the ten amendments were informed by the ten commandments.

Cleombrotus on January 15, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Perry likes comparing himself to Biblical figures.

Buy Danish on January 15, 2012 at 6:56 PM

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM

OK, so the crazy train only makes one stop a day :-)

You are trying to equate the elimination of the most relied upon and popular programs in the country to the newest and most unpopular and that is your idea of pragmatism. I recognized your moment of sanity and I suppose I should be grateful that I was here to see it. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Cleombrotus on January 15, 2012 at 6:56 PM

Can you name a single amendment in the BoR that is any way “informed” by them?

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Southerners are gracious people. I truly think the South Carolina primary is going to be about jobs. I thought Perry hit it out of the ball park with his response to the question about the NLRB. He can relate to South Carolina, the Federal Government is messing with Texas, but what they are doing to South Carolina, because it’s a right to work state is even worse than what they have been doing to us and South Carolina needs jobs. I think they are almost at 10% unemployment.

It get’s lost on people that Texas has the job creation record but that makes it unpopular with the Obama administration not popular.

Dr Evil on January 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Yep!

10% Unemployment in SC and Perry hit it out of the park on Regulation,the 10th Amendment and Obama’s petty war against SC.

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Good point. If people had responded that way instead of trying to defend the primitive savage, Moses, the discussion might have ended right there.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:54 PM

Oh, come off it. “Perry compares himself to Moses.” “I don’t think I can support someone who would compare himself to a primitive savage.” More of the anti-religious bigots’ showing how they win friends and influence people.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

I can’t believe this thread has devolved into this ridiculous debate. Why people take such obvious bait is beyond me.

McDuck on January 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Inebriation helps.

squint on January 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Moses was a very primitive savage.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:20 PM

This is just dumb. Moses was educated at the court of Pharoah.

Cleombrotus on January 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Pattosensei on January 15, 2012 at 6:52 PM

In the time of Moses, it was the Hebrew nation. Jews were but one tribe out of twelve. While I support Israel, and have a benign tolerance for Judaism, it is a historical and Scriptural mistake to overlook the twelve tribes as if it was only Jews.

Ezekiel 37 clearly shows that the Ten Tribes of the Northern Kingdom were lost, not eliminated. Those tribes were the lost sheep that Christ came to reclaim.

platypus on January 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

Most people who believe in God and follow a religion nowadays understand its mostly metaphorical. If Romney believes everything Joseph Smith said was literally true and should be followed to the letter, then we really do desperately need to discuss it.

fadetogray on January 15, 2012 at 6:51 PM

I think you’re probably wrong about the bolded. People certainly don’t treat it that way.

McDuck on January 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Anyone, including yourself, who supports and esteems Moses, is at least as evil as anyone who supports and esteems Mohammed — they were of similar character, with the child rapes and butchery led by Moses being on a grander scale.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 5:35 PM

The Book of Numbers was written 2500 years ago about events that did or didn’t happen 3500 years ago. We know next to nothing about these times. We don’t even know if the Midianites existed – or Moses. There is a deeper truth to these myths than just the factual, historical truth.

Mohammed, on the other hand, lived in the rather well documented Early Middle Ages.

Gelsomina on January 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM

is Mormonism a legit topic of debate?

Sure. At least among voters. They can use whatever yardstick they wish, just as we criticized, with good reason, the church Barack Obama went to. For many people, Romney’s Mormonism is a plus or neutral.

I’m an ex-Mormon, a convert who later deconverted, and while I have no great love of the church, I know many of its members are good, decent, and serious people. Considering that the next President is or will claim to be a man of faith, I would have no problems with a Mormon vs. any other religion. Personally. But if someone else does, that’s their privilege.

While I’d say it’s a legit topic, it’s not the most relevant topic (except I do think, as far as electability goes, there is a percentage of the right who won’t vote for a Mormon: I’m not among them, but I think this is a real thing). There are plenty of good reasons to oppose Mitt Romney, including his poor showing in elections, and running from elections.

Santorum — whose policies I often don’t support — gives better speeches and “hit above his weight” during his elections, even the one he lost, compared to other Republicans in the state. Quin Hillyer had a great article about this earlier today.

I’m not saying I’m on the Santorum bandwagon: I supported Perry briefly, then fell away. Next was Newt, eventually … although he’s lost luster with me since his anti-capitalist attacks on Romney’s legitimate business dealings. So now I don’t know who to support.

Still like Newt, have always liked Santorum’s personality but not his domestic policies, and Perry’s just an incompetent campaigner … as this thread shows, one example among jillions.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM

I already have. Numbers 31. Read it.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Sorry, but linking to info from a website called “The Skeptic’s Bible” doesn’t neccessarily sway me.

Nor is it clear in the propaganda there that Moses condoned, let alone participated, in child rape.

ccrosby on January 15, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Chastened by his own mistakes, he’s learned to take himself lightly but his principles seriously.

Perry has always done that, that is not new at all. He is not arrogant, he is a good man, confident but humble, with a great record. Too bad so many “Conservatives” are ignoring what Perry has done.

Personally, I find that Perry is a good speaker, no, not a robot like Mitt is. Not an arrogant speaker, like Newt, and Huntsman can be. Not whiny, as Santorum can be either.

Sadly, we continue to ignore substance, and accomplishments though. Do we REALLY want to place style over substance again?

Gatordoug on January 15, 2012 at 7:00 PM

You are trying to equate the elimination of the most relied upon and popular programs in the country to the newest and most unpopular and that is your idea of pragmatism.

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:57 PM

I’m trying to relate one bloated unsustainable behemoth to another. “Pragmatism”, if Romney’s elected, will also be urged in “mend it don’t end it” policies. The infrastructure of the program is already there. It’s not as “unpopular” as you might believe, either.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Can you name a single amendment in the BoR that is any way “informed” by them?

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 6:58 PM

All of them.

In our hyper sensitivity to legalism, both in the believing world and the non-believing world we overlook the fact that the emphasis of the latter part of the 10 Commandments is respect for others and their rights.

A very novel concept given the historical context in which they were delivered.

We Westerners tend to assume that all peoples, at all times, have thought and behaved as we do.

Cleombrotus on January 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

Perry likes comparing himself to Biblical figures.

Buy Danish on January 15, 2012 at 6:56 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/book-claims-romney-tried-to-get-pregnant-mom-to-give-her-baby-up-for-adopt

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 7:02 PM

You apparently missed this thread…

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Seven Percent Solution on January 15, 2012

Yeah, sarcasm aside, that was a funny vid.

Random on January 15, 2012 at 7:04 PM

Cleombrotus on January 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

So we owe our right to bear arms to the 10 C’s. And right to a trial by jury? It’s been a while since I’ve looked at the 10 C’s but I’m pretty sure that they don’t prohibit government from conducting warrantless searches.

MJBrutus on January 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I’m trying to relate one bloated unsustainable behemoth to another. “Pragmatism”, if Romney’s elected, will also be urged in “mend it don’t end it” policies. The infrastructure of the program is already there. It’s not as “unpopular” as you might believe, either.

ddrintn on January 15, 2012 at 7:01 PM

On Neil Cavuto Andy Roth said that Romney’s economic & Tax Plan would institutionalize a permanent deficit.

He gave Perry’s plan the top grade. Romney got a D.

Paul a B
Newt & Santorum got C

Huntsman an Incomplete

workingclass artist on January 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM

I can’t believe this thread has devolved into this ridiculous debate. Why people take such obvious bait is beyond me.

McDuck on January 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM

Shhh! You think it’s easy to get traffic on a Sunday evening?

- AP, EM, TK

Flora Duh on January 15, 2012 at 7:06 PM

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