Breaking: Huntsman to withdraw tomorrow

posted at 9:49 pm on January 15, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

According to National Journal, the often strange campaign of Jon Huntsman will come to an end tomorrow in a formal withdrawal from the Republican presidential nomination race.  Huntsman plans to endorse Mitt Romney on his way out:

Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman will announce on Monday that he is dropping his bid for the Republican presidential nomination after a disappointing finish in last week’s New Hampshire primary, a source confirmed to National Journal. …

Huntsman will endorse Republican front-runner Mitt Romney, squashing any potential rumors that he will seek to run as an independent candidate.

The New York Times also hears the same thing:

Jon M. Huntsman Jr. informed his advisers on Sunday that he intends to drop out of the Republican presidential race, ending his candidacy a week before he had hoped to revive his campaign in the South Carolina primary.

Mr. Huntsman, who had struggled to live up to the soaring expectations of his candidacy, made plans to make an announcement as early as Monday. He had been set to participate in an evening debate in Myrtle Beach.

Matt David, campaign manager to Mr. Huntsman, confirmed the decision in an interview Sunday evening. “The governor and his family, at this point in the race, decided it was time for Republicans to rally around a candidate who could beat Barack Obama and turn around the economy,” Mr. David said. “That candidate is Gov. Mitt Romney.”

A third-place finish in the New Hampshire primary last week failed to jump start his flagging candidacy, aides said, and his campaign limped into South Carolina with little money. Mr. Huntsman has spent days pondering his future in the race, but aides said that he concluded he was unlikely to topple Mitt Romney or match the momentum of his Republican rivals in the conservative Southern primary.

That was the obvious conclusion after Tuesday’s third-place finish, far back of Romney in the state Huntsman made his stand.  Earlier this week, I asked where Huntsman thought his path to victory lay, because it certainly wasn’t going to be South Carolina, Florida, or Michigan.  It took Huntsman a few more days than everyone else, but eventually recognized reality.

I used the usual joke in the subhead, but does this really help Mitt Romney?  Huntsman’s core of voters in New Hampshire were Democrats, people who didn’t like the Tea Party, and people who generally approve of Barack Obama’s job performance.  Where would these voters have gone in this primary without Huntsman anyway?  Perhaps a few might have migrated to Ron Paul, but that’s hard to imagine.  Romney will graciously accept the endorsement, but it’s not going to change his position much in the next few states anyway.  Romney’s better off with more people in the race, not fewer.

Update: Normally National Journal’s Reid Wilson is a good analyst, but he’s way off with this:

Huntsman had sought to portray himself as an electable, pragmatic alternative to the Republican field. He made a point to support teaching the theory of evolution and to acknoweldge the science behind climate change, and he cast himself more recently as the only candidate who has put service to the nation before his own political party, by serving as President Obama’s ambassador to China.

But his message was out of step with a Republican base driven by Tea Party populism and anger with the political status quo almost from the moment he began running. If Huntsman didn’t represent that status quo, voters certainly didn’t see their anger reflected in his calm demeanor. …

He was, in essence, the answer to a call for a pragmatic centrist who could reach out to Democrats that no one in the Republican Party ever made.

As I responded on Twitter, Jon Huntsman wasn’t a “pragmatic centrist who could reach out to Democrats.”  He governed in Utah as a conservative in a state controlled by the GOP, but talked like a centrist who despised conservatives.  Huntsman’s expensive and embarrassing flop really isn’t much more complicated than that.

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would a president Romney retask NASA to find and make a mission to kolob?

tom daschle concerned on January 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

…That Obama was not a Citizen because his father was born in Keyna. ……
Capitalist75 on January 15, 2012 at 11:48 PM
The person who was supposed to be Barack Obama’s daddy was a citizen of Kenya, a foreign country.
Is Mitt Romney’s dad citizen of a foreign country ?
burrata on January 15, 2012 at 11:57 PM

You are sooooo 27seconds ago. You need to stay current on the news:)
Yes, Romney’s father was born in Mexico.
This is one of many reasons I call him the white Obama.

His grand father moved to Mexico because polygamy is illegal in the US.

Capitalist75 on January 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

That’s not true at all, it’s gay rights people like you in the media that make it a focus because he has some comments about it in some book.
If you are not voting for Santy simply because of his views on gays, I think you are a liberal. It’s a sstupid reason to prefer him to other candidates, especially to Romneycare guy.
Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:01 AM

I don’t agree with Santy bc of his view of the role of govt and the law. Example: the govt should give more tax credits for parents with more kids. But I didn’t say I wouldn’t vote for the guy. I merely point out that he has said and proposed things that will play right into the media’s hands

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:06 AM

A couple co-workers have been teaching me a word or two. In return I’ve been teaching them…Yiddish.
Someday it’s gonna be HUGE again. LoL

annoyinglittletwerp on January 15, 2012 at 11:42 PM

Just an observation and with all due respect, but I think it will take the Second Coming before we’ll be speaking Hebrew or Yiddish in Texas. Like, Kinky Friedman wrote and sang, They Don’t Make Jews Like Jesus Anymore.

Shalom, mi chica fiesta.

TXUS on January 16, 2012 at 12:06 AM

..so Willie Huntsman’s motorcycle finally ran out of gas.

The War Planner on January 16, 2012 at 12:06 AM

I wish Santy had never writtten anything about gays in his book…I wouldn’t doubt if he wishes he had not gone there either. People get so batty about this issue so you got to keep what you think to yourself as a politician. I know it’s not something he wanted to lose the nomination over.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Same applies to future Romney endorser, “Amazing Marco” Rubio.

Horace on January 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

I LOVE Marco “I’m conservative except for when it comes to Amnesty” Rubik’s Cube.

Igor R. on January 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

their own little grievances

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Homo-kvetch-uality?
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

canopfor

“You got a link for your thesis?”

Link? I don’t need no stinkin’ link.

Horace on January 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Horace:Blazing Saddles comes to mind,carry on!!

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

I have a hard time taking gays seriously on politics b/c they don’t seem to take anything seriously outside of their own little grievances. They didn’t have a problem voting for Obama who is clearly a statist. Don’t come whining about to me about your gay rights if you don’t have a problem with Obama. There’s got to be some common ground in terms of freedom for me to care.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

The problem I have is that they’ll accept Obama’s waffling on gay marriage, as “he’s only doing it to get elected”.

Yet a conservative, who explains their dissent, is considered the villain.

I don’t get it…

ccrosby on January 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM

Otay,Hot Gassians,play nice,nite y’all————–:0

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM

I don’t agree with Santy bc of his view of the role of govt and the law. Example: the govt should give more tax credits for parents with more kids. But I didn’t say I wouldn’t vote for the guy. I merely point out that he has said and proposed things that will play right into the media’s hands

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:06 AM

What do you know about Santy outside of the gay issue or Red State’s attempt to sabatoge him for their guy Perry?

The media is going to go after all of them. Romney’s has come out in support for admendment to the constitution making marriage b/t man and a woman. You don’t think they are going to go after him as anti-gay too? Why pick the RomneyCare guy if it’s true they are going to go after him too on gay issues? I’m not scared of Diane Sawyer and the rest of the media. They are bimbos, everybody knows it.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:10 AM

The problem I have is that they’ll accept Obama’s waffling on gay marriage, as “he’s only doing it to get elected”.

Yet a conservative, who explains their dissent, is considered the villain.

I don’t get it…

ccrosby on January 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM

The reality is the media makes it seem like msot Americans are pro-gay marriage but that never is demonstrated when it’s on the ballot. It’s not a losing issue for us. I’m not saying Santy and others should make it a top issue but they don’t necessarily need to be meek on it either. There’s a reason why Obama isn’t vocal on it.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Otay,Hot Gassians,play nice,nite y’all————–:0

canopfor on January 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM

I’ll bet you $10,000 you don’t dream of this Huntsman.

profitsbeard on January 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Technically since Romney’s father was born in Mexico, does it mean he is not a natural born?

I’m trying to unleash my inner birther

liberal4life on January 16, 2012 at 12:13 AM

What do you know about Santy outside of the gay issue or Red State’s attempt to sabatoge him for their guy Perry?
The media is going to go after all of them. Romney’s has come out in support for admendment to the constitution making marriage b/t man and a woman. You don’t think they are going to go after him as anti-gay too? Why pick the RomneyCare guy if it’s true they are going to go after him too on gay issues? I’m not scared of Diane Sawyer and the rest of the media. They are bimbos, everybody knows it.
Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:10 AM

I didn’t agree with what he said at the value voters event hosted by Luntz. I watched it live, iirc

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:14 AM

People get so batty

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:07 AM

Homo-chiropterology?
:)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 16, 2012 at 12:14 AM

I didn’t agree with what he said at the value voters event hosted by Luntz. I watched it live, iirc

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Ok, You live in California and I’ll leave it at that. California doesn’t win elections for us. There is not a more ineffective REpublican party than the one in California.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Technically since Romney’s father was born in Mexico, does it mean he is not a natural born?

I’m trying to unleash my inner birther

liberal4life on January 16, 2012 at 12:13 AM

It might be a good idea if you’d unleash your inner brain cells first.

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 12:17 AM

There’s a reason why Obama isn’t vocal on it.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM

I completley agree, he couldn’t care less about the gay community, other than getting their vote.

ccrosby on January 16, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Nicky “Knuckles” Huntsman is bustin’ outa da joint.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 16, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Ok, You live in California and I’ll leave it at that. California doesn’t win elections for us. There is not a more ineffective REpublican party than the one in California.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM

Hey! We’re doing the best we can with what we have..gosh darnit!

ccrosby on January 16, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Ok, You live in California and I’ll leave it at that. California doesn’t win elections for us. There is not a more ineffective REpublican party than the one in California.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:16 AM

You aren’t going to get Santorum nominated with that pissy little attitude.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Flora, what has gotten into you. Hanging out with Horace to much?

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 12:20 AM

You aren’t going to get Santorum nominated with that pissy little attitude.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:19 AM

You act like I have the power to swing the election to Santorum if I just shill the right way. I don’t think I have that kind of power. It’s going to be Romney b/c the moderate guy almost always wins the nomination. Electability, blah blah blah.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:21 AM

You act like I have the power to swing the election to Santorum if I just shill the right way. I don’t think I have that kind of power. It’s going to be Romney b/c the moderate guy almost always wins the nomination. Electability, blah blah blah.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:21 AM

No. You act like Santorum. You come on here and whine, whine, whine… Then when you run into a wall, you just move on to the next irrational accusation.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Losing with Romney is going to be like losing with McCain. We are bending over backwards to give moderates a candidate they like and they still end up voting for the Democrat. You don’t get more moderate than McCain and Obama won in a landslide that included safe Republican states like NC and VA.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:27 AM

No. You act like Santorum. You come on here and whine, whine, whine… Then when you run into a wall, you just move on to the next irrational accusation.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Ok, the ROmney shill is kicking in gear. Santy a whiner (cuz he don’t like them there gays). That’s your issue with him, just be honest about it. I hate insincere people. Grow a pair. You are an adult, be one.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Losing with Romney is going to be like losing with McCain. We are bending over backwards to give moderates a candidate they like and they still end up voting for the Democrat. You don’t get more moderate than McCain and Obama won in a landslide that included safe Republican states like NC and VA.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:27 AM

Don’t be such an Eeyore. Enjoy MLK day tomorrow.

haner on January 16, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Ok, the ROmney shill is kicking in gear. Santy a whiner (cuz he don’t like them there gays). That’s your issue with him, just be honest about it. I hate insincere people. Grow a pair. You are an adult, be one.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:28 AM

You really do have a knack at proving me right.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Flora, what has gotten into you. Hanging out with Horace to much?

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 12:20 AM

As I said on the other page, the last thing we need is to turn the primary into another round of the birther nonsense. Hillary and her PUMA supporters started the stories about Obama’s birth certificate and it ended up being characterized as coming from “those crazy racist right-wingers”. I’d hate to see the same thing happen here on HA in relation to Governor Romney’s eligibility.

liberal4life does nothing but bash Governor Romney and other commenters on this board all day long. I may not be 100% in the tank for Romney yet, but I’m not in the mood to sit back and let a liberal Obama supporter discredit him or any of our other candidates. Sort of like, “it’s ok for me to call my sister a biatch, but someone outside of the family damn sure better not”. :-)

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Don’t be such an Eeyore. Enjoy MLK day tomorrow.

haner on January 16, 2012 at 12:29 AM

I always do when I get the day off, but just b/t you and me, I’m not going to think about civil rights and what blacks went through back in the day. At all.

W’hahahahahaha. :)

Don’t tell Obama on me, mmmmmkay.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:31 AM

You really do have a knack at proving me right.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

I’m just trying to get you to be honest about why you won’t vote for Santorum. Just say it, you think he hates gay people and you’ll vote for the ROmneyCare guy over the guy who you think hates gay people.

It’s a free country, stop being so afraid to say what you think.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:33 AM

Same applies to future Romney endorser, “Amazing Marco” Rubio.

Horace on January 16, 2012 at 12:03 AM

Because I used that language to describe Rubio a few nights back, I’ll take that as mockery leveled at me.

But I stand by my claim. He is an amazing orator who can passionately and persuasively triumph conservative principles, and he has the x-factor of charisma that I don’t see among any of the current presidential field.

John the Libertarian on January 16, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Mighty “Quinn” Joe Yeung Huntsman cries Uncle.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 16, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I think Rubio would have thumped Romney.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:35 AM

I’m just trying to get you to be honest about why you won’t vote for Santorum. Just say it, you think he hates gay people and you’ll vote for the ROmneyCare guy over the guy who you think hates gay people.

It’s a free country, stop being so afraid to say what you think.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:33 AM

You don’t know what you’re trying to get me to be “honest” about. You’re a fool.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Y

ou really do have a knack at proving me right.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Don’t bother, MeatHead. Tesla is a mean little man itching to pick a fight with anyone. You should have seen his latent love of “sodomites”, the term he kept using until people were calling for his banishment.

John the Libertarian on January 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM

You don’t know what you’re trying to get me to be “honest” about. You’re a fool.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Ok, if you live in California, you aren’t relevant anyway. That state is going to Obama.

It’s the southeast and midwest that has to save the day, as always. The part of the country so scorned by the rest. :)

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:39 AM

Don’t bother, MeatHead. Tesla is a mean little man itching to pick a fight with anyone. You should have seen his latent love of “sodomites”, the term he kept using until people were calling for his banishment.

John the Libertarian on January 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I see. Well, goodnight, all.

MeatHeadinCA on January 16, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Losing with Romney is going to be like losing with McCain.

Funny, they argued “Romney was the “conservative” candidate against McCain in ’08, yet this time around Romney is the RINO flunky.

Maybe he is, and I have not made a decision yet. But it is interesting how many MCain supporters have all of a sudden found their conservativism, and it’s not Romney.

ccrosby on January 16, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Don’t bother, MeatHead. Tesla is a mean little man itching to pick a fight with anyone. You should have seen his latent love of “sodomites”, the term he kept using until people were calling for his banishment.

John the Libertarian on January 16, 2012 at 12:38 AM

You are so uptight, brother. I’m not picking a fight with the califonria person, just encouraging him or her to be honest about their reasons for things. It’s silly to be coy about things, especially on an comment board.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:41 AM

Dr. Tesla,

Contrary to your vivid/obsessive imagination, there are actually more important issues that are driving this primary that have absolutely zero to do with sexual identity or preference.

I know it will be difficult, but try posting, oh, 5-10 times without using the word “gay.”

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 12:42 AM

I guaranttee you that the MeadinCA doesn’t like Santorum b/c of the gay issue. Why be scared to say it? WHy give all these bogus reason for not likikng him when that is the core reason?

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Well, this certainly invalidates the Insider Advantage poll that just came out tonight. It shows Romney at 32%, eleven points ahead of Gingrich.

I wonder what will happen if indeed Huntsmens endorsement sends his 6% of the vote over to Romney. Oh, I know Romney won’t possibly get all of it, there’s always a little division. It stands to reason though, they were both trying to appeal to same parts of the party after all.

Well, sweet dreams everybody!

WolvenOne on January 16, 2012 at 12:43 AM

His grand father moved to Mexico because polygamy is illegal in the US.

Capitalist75 on January 16, 2012 at 12:05 AM

I did not know that.
So Romney Sr was not a US citizen, just like Obama Sr.
Now , I hope someone finds Mitt Romney’s illegal aunts and uncles mooching off US taxpayers and Romney will give Obama a run for his moocho dinero
:D

burrata on January 16, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Dr. Tesla,

Contrary to your vivid/obsessive imagination, there are actually more important issues that are driving this primary that have absolutely zero to do with sexual identity or preference.

I know it will be difficult, but try posting, oh, 5-10 times without using the word “gay.”

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 12:42 AM

It would probably benefit you if you actually read what I write, rather than looking for the word gay and counting the number of times it was used. You have obviously have no clue what my opinion is.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Sad that one person can single-handedly ruin HotAir through a spam-like spate of comments. I wish we had the ability to ‘unsee’ certain posters.

That, or at least have a ‘XXXXXX’ is currently in this thread warning once I click on a link.

mattshu on January 16, 2012 at 12:46 AM

I’d like to be able to support Santorum without somebody asserting that I like Santy because he hates gay people and I hate gay people.

That’s not the reality though so I have to talk about the gay issues, don’t I?

It’s not I that is obsessed with the issue. I’m obsessed with gay rights being an issue at all, ever, and especially this year. I’m indifferent to their grievances. I just don’t care. It that makes me a bad person so be it. I vote on things that matter to me and gay rights as they define it doesn’t make the cut.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:49 AM

mattshu,

I noticed you never give an opinion on the thread topic.

It’s just personally attack me 24-7.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Unfortunately for me, I have read many of your posts–and not just on this particular thread. If anyone disagrees with you, you generally respond by either accusing them of being gay, or of disliking gays. Honestly, there are many valid points to argue during this primary, but your “strategy” does not help to address any of those points.

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 12:52 AM

Unfortunately for me, I have read many of your posts–and not just on this particular thread. If anyone disagrees with you, you generally respond by either accusing them of being gay, or of disliking gays. Honestly, there are many valid points to argue during this primary, but your “strategy” does not help to address any of those points.

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 12:52 AM

You have zero reading comprehension. Go henpeck somebody else, I want to talk to logical people who can read. That’s not you. You want to control me for some reason and nobody gave you that role or right, and certainly not me.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 12:53 AM

Dr. Tesla, you are not a very happy person, are you? I’m not being a smart a$$. What brings you joy?

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM

I love it!!! Its just , well, just, I don’t your always so matter of fact informative and laid back. Don’t get me wrong, you know I love ya, it just caught me of guard to see you give someone a good smack. I dig it. Oooh this is getting funner and funner by the day. Keep up the good work. P.S. Horace is a good guy, I know you have had an issue, as did I but he’s very smart. I have taken a shine to him anyway. I can’t wait to more of your feistiness. Go Flora!

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Dr. Tesla, you are not a very happy person, are you? I’m not being a smart a$$. What brings you joy?

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 1:01 AM

You need to save your bubblegum pyschology for your husband assuming a man wants to see you naked.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Oh goody, Huntsman endorsing Romney makes me want to get my check book out and give to the Romney cause, not..

noneoftheabove on January 16, 2012 at 1:03 AM

Ok, I’ve had enough scolding for one night. This naughty boy needs to get his beauty sleep to prepare for MLK day.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:04 AM

Romney will make Huntsman his VP to secure Utah and the Mormon vote and the moderate vote all at once.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:05 AM

This naughty boy needs to get his beauty sleep to prepare for MLK day.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:04 AM

You will have a dream :D

burrata on January 16, 2012 at 1:06 AM

You need to save your bubblegum pyschology for your husband assuming a man wants to see you naked.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:02 AM

Again, how is that adding to the conversation? You simply lash out in anger. Is your goal to engage in constructive conversation, or to simply attempt to chase off all other commenters until you are “the last one standing?”

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 1:08 AM

…assuming a man wants to see you naked.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:02 AM

doubleyou-tee-eff, dude. Out of control.

To stay on message:

I’m sure Romney will be excited to welcome the former Huntsman supporters to his campaign. We know there were at least 4 of them. #ohsnap

mattshu on January 16, 2012 at 1:09 AM

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Flora as you can see from my lack of clarity I’m tired, bedtime. ; ) Hopefully you got the gist of what I was trying to say..

Bmore on January 16, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Huntsman dropping out helps Paul.

You gotta think some of the anti-warish vote went to Hunstsman.

Also, now the Huntsman team can stop making Manchurian Candidate ads to blame the Ron Paul people for.

Paul recieved a big endorsement from Souf Carolina senator Tom Davis.

fatlibertarianinokc on January 16, 2012 at 1:12 AM

Funny, they argued “Romney was the “conservative” candidate against McCain in ’08, yet this time around Romney is the RINO flunky.

ccrosby on January 16, 2012 at 12:41 AM

That reasoning was before the Tea Party even took hold. So there is no direct comparison possible. Oh, and Obamacare was enacted on a national scale, while Mitt is too stubborn (and dare I say, stupid) not to disavow his lone legislative achievement, RomneyCare. An achievement conveniently looked over back in 2008 but sticks out like a sore thumb, totally irreconcilable.

If anything, the 2008 field of GOP candidates were just as weak as this group. Remember that McCant won by default when Huckabee siphoned off much of Mitt’s support. But they were ALL awful candidates that had no chance in the general.

Four years later, nothing has changed.

Myron Falwell on January 16, 2012 at 1:13 AM

As I said on the other page, the last thing we need is to turn the primary into another round of the birther nonsense.

It’s only nonsense to those intellectually disinterested individuals who have refused, and continue to refuse to look into the issue for themselves.

Hillary and her PUMA supporters started the stories about Obama’s birth certificate it ended up being characterized as coming from “those crazy racist right-wingers”
Flora Duh on January 16, 2012 at 12:30 AM.

Now we get to what I perceive as the heart of the matter, as far as your position is concerned: Because the Left has managed to gain virtually complete control of the “Obama” birth/life narrative conversation, almost exclusively by simply heaping ridicule and scorn upon anyone with the temerity to bring it up, you’ve developed a very strong opinion that the subject is a loser issue best avoided assiduously, regardless of its constitutional implications.

If that’s your opinion, then I respect that. I myself however, consider eligibility to hold the most powerful office in the world to be a rather grave constitutional question, deserving of certainty in answer, not the evasive bs we’ve been subjected to on it thus far.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 1:14 AM

Again, how is that adding to the conversation? You simply lash out in anger. Is your goal to engage in constructive conversation, or to simply attempt to chase off all other commenters until you are “the last one standing?”

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 1:08 AM

You don’t strike me as somebody who wants to talk about the issues. You distort everything I say, you accused me calling everybody gay, when I called one specific person, mattshu, gay, after he wigged out on me for a harmless opinion about not preferring to have a gay roommate in college. He called for me to be banned at that point, and I can’t see your average heterosexual getting so emotional that they want to ban somebody for an opnion on that topic.

SInce you like this bubblegum pyschology thing, I’d say you are a lonely woman who wants a man to henpeck, based on the nature of your posts, which contain no substance or truthfulness at all. You are dishonest about me from the start but you act like I’m supposed to be polite to you in return. That’s not how it works. You don’t get to put me down and get respect at the same time.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:16 AM

On the contrary, I DO want to talk about the issues. It just gets monotonous watching thread after thread hijacked by you and a couple of other posters.

No biggie, then. You go your way and I’ll go mine. :-)

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 1:22 AM

OxyCon on January 16, 2012 at 1:19 AM

Good one, OxyCon.

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 1:25 AM

Why does a Huntsman thread grow to four pages..wow..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2012 at 1:27 AM

On the contrary, I DO want to talk about the issues. It just gets monotonous watching thread after thread hijacked by you and a couple of other posters.

No biggie, then. You go your way and I’ll go mine. :-)

4Grace on January 16, 2012 at 1:22 AM

No you don’t, or you would have. I can’t prevent you from talking about the issues, but you’d rather insult me in a dishonest manner. I’m not hijacking anything, people like you do by making me the subject because you can’t handle opinions that differ from your own.

Dr. Tesla on January 16, 2012 at 1:30 AM

Good for Huntsman and good for Romney. Now Romney needs to keep running for President. Let Gingrich and Santorum wallow in their low class ads, while you hit Obama’s policies and see the good in America. It’s shaping up Romney!

claudius on January 16, 2012 at 1:35 AM

Why does a Huntsman thread grow to four pages..wow..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2012 at 1:27 AM

Salutations, DS.

The MLK holiday is just one of those that kind of comes out of nowhere following the string of them in November/December, so one finds oneself for some reason at loose ends on a Sunday evening in January, halfway (or better) into one’s cups and needing to go someplace where one can feel better about themselves by pointing up another’s (Huntsman’s) failure. Or, where all the people that filed out of the Packers game went to. ;)

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 1:44 AM

Great to see you..I know what you mean..:)

Dire Straits on January 16, 2012 at 1:55 AM

How come every time someone uses the word “birther” they are idiots when it comes to distinguishing between naturalized citizens, native born citizens and natural born citizens?

cptacek on January 16, 2012 at 2:07 AM

Dire Straits on January 16, 2012 at 1:55 AM

Good to see you also. Just in case there are any that think I’m a Pack hater, nothing could be further from the truth. My loser team is watching the playoffs from home, so I didn’t have a dog in today’s fight. I just thought it shocking for them to have gone down fairly convincingly, at home, after such a stellar season, and could imagine how dismayed their fans would be. Apologies to any still-traumatized Packers fans for the unsolicited and undeserved picking at the raw wound.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 2:16 AM

soaring expectations?

Knott Buyinit on January 16, 2012 at 2:26 AM

Why does a Huntsman thread grow to four pages..wow..:)

Oh, I think some here are beginning to grasp the fact that Huntsman leaving the race means that Romney wins the nomination.And that, of course, means that Obama gets re-elected.

Huntsman was the only candidate (except Ron paul to some degree) who took votes from Romney. The others all took votes from each other. The size of the slices changed but the pie remained the same. This obvious fact was ignored by “conservatives” who now face the contest between Romney and Paul, which will drag on for a while. Santorum may be in it through Florida. Perry will be out after finishing last on Saturday, and Newt will not last much longer.

So yeah, you really stuck it to Huntsman.
See you in 2016, morons.

str8tface on January 16, 2012 at 2:40 AM

You know who this doesn’t help?

DarkCurrent on January 16, 2012 at 3:41 AM

The Constitution specifically uses the term “naturally born” and the Founders were all familiar to what the “Law of Nations” used as a definition for this term.

It takes parents who are both citizens and the child is born on American soil. Very simple, really.

Odumbo does not qualify, even if he was born atop Diamond Head in Hawaii because his alleged father was a British citizen, not an American citizen.

Jindall and “Amazing Marco” Rubio had parents who were not American citizens when they were both born on American soil. Hence, they are “native born,” not “naturally born,” and neither meet the Constitutional qualifications for President.

Romney’s parents were both American citizens when Romney was born on American soil Thus, he is “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

McCain was born to American citizens in the Panama Canal Zone, but as the Canal Zone was considered the equivalent of “American soil” back then, he, too, was “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

We must NOT allow the precedent of Odumbo to amend the Constitution. Do it the Constitutional way and amend the Constitution. Otherwise, in the future adhere to what the Constitution says about Presidential qualifications.

Horace on January 16, 2012 at 4:01 AM

Romney’s parents were both American citizens when Romney was born on American soil Thus, he is “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

Horace on January 16, 2012 at 4:01 AM

That’s the bit of info that I have been looking for, pertaining to the citizenship of George at the time of Willard’s birth.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 4:41 AM

Now we get to what I perceive as the heart of the matter, as far as your position is concerned: Because the Left has managed to gain virtually complete control of the “Obama” birth/life narrative conversation, almost exclusively by simply heaping ridicule and scorn upon anyone with the temerity to bring it up, you’ve developed a very strong opinion that the subject is a loser issue best avoided assiduously, regardless of its constitutional implications.

If that’s your opinion, then I respect that. I myself however, consider eligibility to hold the most powerful office in the world to be a rather grave constitutional question, deserving of certainty in answer, not the evasive bs we’ve been subjected to on it thus far.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 1:14 AM

i very much disagree. the birther issue should completely die. it will only hurt the conservatives.
and by the way, many of us do not consider this matter a grave constitutional issue.

nathor on January 16, 2012 at 5:11 AM

i very much disagree. the birther issue should completely die. it will only hurt the conservatives.

This perfectly illustrates the follow-on point, that “you’ve developed a very strong opinion that the subject is a loser issue best avoided assiduously, regardless of its constitutional implications.”

and by the way, many of us do not consider this matter a grave constitutional issue.

nathor on January 16, 2012 at 5:11 AM

More’s the pity.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 5:22 AM

So Huntsman has decided he has no shot. Good call. Hey Rick Perry, Jon Huntsman did better than you in NH and leads you as of right now in SC.

Hint, hint.

MJBrutus on January 16, 2012 at 5:24 AM

Hint, hint.

MJBrutus on January 16, 2012 at 5:24 AM

Not long now, I’m thinking.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 5:28 AM

Something very strange going on.Huntsman withdrawing not to mention the fact that Romney has never run a negative spot on Paul and likewise Paul has never run one on Romney.Also after New Hampshire Perry was ready to withdraw until some people say he got a call from Romney.Promising him something if he would stay in threw S.C..People say McCain played down and dirty.Nothing compared to Romney.I think it,s time for Newt and Santorum to go in a room and flip a coin to see who withdraws now. Yes indeed something very very strange going on.

logman1 on January 16, 2012 at 5:53 AM

The Constitution specifically uses the term “naturally born” and the Founders were all familiar to what the “Law of Nations” used as a definition for this term.

It takes parents who are both citizens and the child is born on American soil. Very simple, really.

Odumbo does not qualify, even if he was born atop Diamond Head in Hawaii because his alleged father was a British citizen, not an American citizen.

Jindall and “Amazing Marco” Rubio had parents who were not American citizens when they were both born on American soil. Hence, they are “native born,” not “naturally born,” and neither meet the Constitutional qualifications for President.

Romney’s parents were both American citizens when Romney was born on American soil Thus, he is “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

McCain was born to American citizens in the Panama Canal Zone, but as the Canal Zone was considered the equivalent of “American soil” back then, he, too, was “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

We must NOT allow the precedent of Odumbo to amend the Constitution. Do it the Constitutional way and amend the Constitution. Otherwise, in the future adhere to what the Constitution says about Presidential qualifications.

Horace on January 16, 2012 at 4:01 AM

look, no one changed the constitution for obama, he was not that powerful when he entered the presidential race. the fact is, the constitutional passage was interpreted differently by the election commitee and obama candidacy was allowed.
i am ok with this interpretation of the constitution. i dont see the need of requiring both parents to be american citizens.

nathor on January 16, 2012 at 5:57 AM

The real reason Huntsman quit:

Stephen Colbert polls higher than Huntsman in South Carolina

entropent on January 16, 2012 at 5:58 AM

More’s the pity.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 16, 2012 at 5:22 AM

why it should be? we the people can vote and judge someone unamerican or not.

nathor on January 16, 2012 at 6:00 AM

So Huntsman has decided he has no shot. Good call. Hey Rick Perry, Jon Huntsman did better than you in NH and leads you as of right now in SC.

Hint, hint.

MJBrutus on January 16, 2012 at 5:24 AM

I kind of want Perry to stay in a bit longer. Perry is no threat to anyone, and I think he just makes Romney look even better. The one I want to see go soon is the vile Newt Gingrich. Even though Romney looks even better in every way next to Newt, Newt is doing nothing but injecting Dem-friendly lines of attack into the campaign.

NEWT IS A LOSER!

bluegill on January 16, 2012 at 6:27 AM

Horace,

McCain was born to American citizens in the Panama Canal Zone, but as the Canal Zone was considered the equivalent of “American soil” back then, he, too, was “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

It isn’t merely a “back then” thing. Children birthed in Military Hospitals around the world even today are considered born on “American Soil.” Matter of fact, I’d love to think that my German-born Daughter of an American G.I. Mommy might become President someday.” I am so sure you agree! :)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 16, 2012 at 6:40 AM

bluegill on January 16, 2012 at 6:27 AM

As I see it, it just doesn’t matter. The deal is done and I’m looking forward to Mitt wrapping it up sooner rather than later. The sooner the party unifies around our shared goal of putting PBHO out to pasture, the better. I expect SC to put all of the doubts to rest. Despite all the naysayers, there is no doubt that Mitt will deliver on the big promises that are shared by all of us on the right:

1. Repeal ObamaCare
2. Reduce the corporate tax rate
3. Open up domestic energy production

While I know that Mitt will do much more good beyond that, those are reasons enough for even his harshest detractors to prefer him to PBHO.

MJBrutus on January 16, 2012 at 7:03 AM

Odumbo does not qualify, even if he was born atop Diamond Head in Hawaii because his alleged father was a British citizen, not an American citizen.

Jindall and “Amazing Marco” Rubio had parents who were not American citizens when they were both born on American soil. Hence, they are “native born,” not “naturally born,” and neither meet the Constitutional qualifications for President.

Romney’s parents were both American citizens when Romney was born on American soil Thus, he is “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

McCain was born to American citizens in the Panama Canal Zone, but as the Canal Zone was considered the equivalent of “American soil” back then, he, too, was “naturally born” and Constitutionally qualified to be President.

Horace on January 16, 2012 at 4:01 AM

Oh my. I missed the point altogether, didn’t I? It’s: McCain okay, Romney okay. Jindal, Rubio, Obama not okay. To paraphrase Sesame Street parlance:
Three of these things
Are not like the others
Three of these things
Just don’t belong…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 16, 2012 at 7:08 AM

As I see it, it just doesn’t matter. The deal is done and I’m looking forward to Mitt wrapping it up sooner rather than later. The sooner the party unifies around our shared goal of putting PBHO out to pasture, the better. I expect SC to put all of the doubts to rest. Despite all the naysayers, there is no doubt that Mitt will deliver on the big promises that are shared by all of us on the right:

do you really trust the flipflopers to come through with all his promises?

1. Repeal ObamaCare

once elected, he will change the repeal talk to fix talk. count on it.

2. Reduce the corporate tax rate

i am sure he will deliver on this :)

3. Open up domestic energy production

maybe.

While I know that Mitt will do much more good beyond that, those are reasons enough for even his harshest detractors to prefer him to PBHO.

MJBrutus on January 16, 2012 at 7:03 AM

this is it? romney better than obama because of a few policy tweaks? what about real change?

yesterday an influential SC senator endorsed paul, i will make his words mine:

Davis said Paul gives the Republican Party the best chance at defeating President Barack Obama in November, noting what he called Paul’s decades-long commitment to tea party principles such as cutting taxes and government spending.

“Ron Paul’s record matches his rhetoric, his fiscal plan matches the fiscal challenges that our nation is facing and his movement represents the taxpayers whose interests have been ignored in the political process for far too long,” Davis said in his endorsement speech.

We have a choice: We can keep electing candidates who talk about change only during political campaigns as a way to get elected, or we can finally elect a candidate who will walk the walk and make that change a reality — restoring our bottom line, our individual liberties and our national pride in the process.

nathor on January 16, 2012 at 7:15 AM

We can keep electing candidates

nathor on January 16, 2012 at 7:15 AM

Which is Pauls problem. He is unelectable.

csdeven on January 16, 2012 at 7:19 AM

Which is Pauls problem. He is unelectable.

csdeven on January 16, 2012 at 7:19 AM

so why he polls better than all other not-romneys against obama?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

you forget that paul can steal a good portion of the democrat anti war base.

nathor on January 16, 2012 at 7:23 AM

Audie Hunstman was a candidate?

Cleombrotus on January 16, 2012 at 7:28 AM

Huntsman an also-ran makes his also-ran status official.

What has he added to the race? Beyond offering some modest satirical copies of other people’s ads? His daughters are more well known than he is, at this point… they have a career ahead of them to try and out-do Meghan McCain… THAT would be entertaining, at least.

ajacksonian on January 16, 2012 at 7:29 AM

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