Quotes of the day

posted at 9:30 pm on January 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

“Yet the act of desecrating an enemy’s body is as old as war, perhaps most famously described by Homer in ‘The Iliad,’ when Achilles drags Hector’s lifeless body behind his chariot before the eyes of a shocked and despairing Troy. Nancy Sherman, a professor of philosophy at Georgetown University who has written a book about the moral implications of war on troops, ‘The Untold War,’ said dehumanizing the enemy can be a psychological defense mechanism for the troops whose job is to kill that enemy…

“Mr. Exum said black humor is another coping mechanism for young troops trying to act tough beyond their years. ‘I remember being a young officer in Afghanistan in 2002 and standing over the body of this partially decapitated Taliban and cracking jokes,’ he said. ‘Humor is how we cope with pretty horrific stuff. It’s almost dangerous to be too sensitive.’

“Alex Lemons, a Marine scout sniper during the fierce fighting in the Iraqi city of Falluja in 2004, said that on several occasions he encountered American troops who either urinated on insurgent bodies or manipulated them for photographs, like putting them in ridiculous poses. While he called such behavior disgusting, he also said it could be cathartic.

“‘I’ve never spat on a dead body or urinated on one, but I’ve certainly screamed at a dead body because they’ve taken a friend’s life,’ said Mr. Lemons, who left the Marine Corps in 2008.”

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“But what possible benefit does desecrating enemy corpses serve? — other than to radicalize other terrorists — and to provide our enemies with talking points and propaganda photos? (Oh yeah, it also fosters the notion that America is no different from the rest of the barbaric world — that we are simply about imposing our power, not liberating oppressed people or defending our citizens.)

“In a perfect world, our warriors would operate clinically. Like professionals, they would follow orders, dispassionately removing cancers, never allowing emotion to creep into their decisions. It is understandable, of course, that men — faced with the horrors of war (our enemies are evil people who do horrible things!) — sometimes fall far short of that high standard.

“But this was dancing in the end zone.”

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“There is a final context for this act in which we are all responsible, all guilty. A 19-year-old Marine has a very hard time reconciling the fact that it’s okay to waterboard a live Taliban fighter but not okay to urinate on a dead one.

“When the war on terror started, the Marines in that video were probably 9 or 10 years old. As children they heard adults — and political leaders — talk about our enemies in the most inhuman terms. The Internet and the news media are filled with self-important men and women referring to our enemies as animals that deserve little legal or moral consideration. We have sent enemy fighters to countries like Syria and Libya to be tortured by the very regimes that we have recently condemned for engaging in war crimes and torture. They have been tortured into confessing their crimes and then locked up indefinitely without trial because their confessions — achieved through torture — will not stand up in court.

“For the past 10 years, American children have absorbed these moral contradictions, and now they are fighting our wars. The video doesn’t surprise me, but it makes me incredibly sad — not just for them, but also for us. We may prosecute these men for desecrating the dead while maintaining that it is okay to torture the living.

“I hope someone else knows how to explain that to our soldiers, because I don’t have the faintest idea.”

***

“Initially there were concerns that outrage over the issue would spiral into a scandal like the one in 2004 over the release of photos showing a group of U.S. military police abusing prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq…

“But Afghan officials and others said the quick responses by all sides had helped contain the damage.

“‘As all three sides — the U.S., the Afghan government and the Taliban — have all condemned this act, I’m hopeful that this will not have any effect on the peace process,’ Abdul Hakim Mujahid, a member of the peace council and the Taliban’s former envoy to the United Nations, said Saturday…

“‘Reconciliation is a big change for the people of Afghanistan and it won’t be affected by the actions of individuals like those in the video,’ Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told The Associated Press on Friday. ‘We are focused on the bigger picture and for that, we have to avoid small things.’”

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“‘It’s insane,’ says an Afghan [Taliban] sub-commander in Helmand province where the urination incident allegedly took place last year. ‘Why are we talking to those who hate us so much that they desecrate our martyrs’ bodies?’ he asks angrily in a phone conversation with The Daily Beast. His anger extends to the Taliban’s negotiators in Qatar. ‘To me those who claim to represent the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in these talks are dishonoring the rivers of blood we have shed,’ he says. ‘This act is worse than that of animals,’ adds the sub-commander who declines to be named for security reasons. ‘They showed no shame.’

“Jan Mohammad Khan, a Taliban fighter in eastern Afghanistan, says the video affected him more than all the carnage that he’s seen in his 10 years in the jihad. ‘I have never hurt so much as I did when I saw this video,’ he says. ‘These Americans have crossed the borders of civilization and humanity by disrespecting the dead.’…

“The former translator who lives in Kabul with his family says the video has outraged even his normally calm and moderate father. ‘This morning my father was so angry that he ordered me to burn any money I may still have from the Americans as it was a sin to keep it,’ he says. ‘If this action has so angered my father it will certainly anger other common Afghans.’ If so the already difficult fledgling peace process has just become even more complicated.”

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Via the Daily Caller.


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Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:34 PM

I recognize that picture…. that was the 49ers defense during the first quarter.

El_Terrible on January 14, 2012 at 9:34 PM

To show respect for evil IS evil.

NickDeringer on January 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Fallout. Heh heh.

other than to radicalize other terrorists

This meme expired well past its shelf life years ago. “Oh, don’t publish cartoons of the prophet Mohammad! It will radicalize themz!”

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Burning the Koran is still worse.
So history tells..

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Posted before, will post again:

“Dear Taliban,

We, the Armed Forces of the United States of America, sincerely apologize for the incident in which Forces of the United States Marine Corps desecrated the deceased bodies of your comrades in arms. It is a desecration that we do not condone or authorize. All of our armed forces are trained to respect the dead, even the dead of the enemy, and to, if possible, give them a proper burial as befitting the deceased’s culture and standing.

We stand ready to give each and every one of you a proper and respectful burial upon your demise, and foreswear, now and forever, that we will not desecrate your dead after we blow them to itty bitty bits. We promise.

Of course it would all be much easier for us to give you a proper and respectful burial if you would all put your guns to your heads and pull the trigger. Repeat if necessary.

Thank you for your time.

Respectfully,

The Armed Forces of the United States of America.”

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Remember: they hate us because we’re free.

/sarc

Dante on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

“‘It’s insane,’ says an Afghan [Taliban] sub-commander in Helmand province where the urination incident allegedly took place last year. ‘Why are we talking to those who hate us so much that they desecrate our martyrs’ bodies?’
================================

Talk about Unmittigated Gal,boyo,the Tall E Bon,sure do have
there nerve,

“INSANE”,

must be,like Clinton’s Is Is Logic!!

canopfor on January 14, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Remember: they hate us because we’re free.

/sarc

Dante on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

The freedom to pee is one of the most important rights we have… we lose that, and its game over.

El_Terrible on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

“In a perfect world, our warriors would operate clinically. Like professionals, they would follow orders, dispassionately removing cancers, never allowing emotion to creep into their decisions.

Hogwash. This would make them mindless zombies. This would make them like Arnold the Terminator. Mindless. Or Arnold the Governor – same thing.

Carthoris on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Oh STFU taliban, all you want is our money and more money and then some more money.
And this regime will give it to you so stop whining .
Just call him :
http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2009/11/17/jane-fonda-obama-funder-jodie-evans-met-with-taliban-code-pink-gives-terrorists-direct-line-to-obama/

burrata on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Only in America could so many people work themselves up into such a rit of fealous jage over … … nothing.

Carthoris on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The hypocrisy of those offended by this is astounding. They have no shame and have never expressed regret at the atrocities they have commited. The other thing that stands out is shielding Obama from any blame, unlike the MSM did with Bush. The MSM has no shame, but that is seen day in and day out.

Ken James on January 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

“There is a final context for this act in which we are all responsible, all guilty. A 19-year-old Marine has a very hard time reconciling the fact that it’s okay to waterboard a live Taliban fighter but not okay to urinate on a dead one.

What pompass blathering moron said this?

Carthoris on January 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

The freedom to pee is one of the most important rights we have… we lose that, and its game over.

El_Terrible on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

but in this case, it was a waste of perfectly good urine

burrata on January 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Piss on the koran.

Carthoris on January 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

“In a perfect world, our warriors…..

No need to continue this quote…
In a perfect world, there would be no warriors..

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

“Jan Mohammad Khan, a Taliban fighter in eastern Afghanistan, says the video affected him more than all the carnage that he’s seen in his 10 years in the jihad. ‘I have never hurt so much as I did when I saw this video,’ he says.

If we had known that from the beginning we should have carpet bombed them with used porta-johns.

HotAirian on January 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Remember: they hate us because we’re free.

Dante on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Well said. They prefer us to be under the yoke of Islam.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

“But this was dancing in the end zone.”

one of deepest problems with our country is the rush to condemn. The rush to let everyone know that you are on ‘the right side’

Few people who pop off in blogs/newspapers/tv have ever been engaged with reality. I know, I know..that’s insane hyperbole…but really, most everything we see/read is political theater and far from the average workday of those who work hard

Theater to comfort the comfortable…and afflict the afflicted.

Theater which has no time for the delta smelt scandal, or any of hundreds of leftist Lysenko experimentation that screw up our country….but, yes, we have hundreds of hours to talk about anything that makes our country look bad

r keller on January 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

If the Taliban doesn’t like it, piss on em.

We are to respect an enemy that hides bombs on handicapped children, on mules, IED’s. They drag our soldiers down the street, cut off their heads, burns the bodies, cuts off limbs and hangs them off a bridge?

Can we PLEASE REMEMBER Daniel Pearl being decapitated? The Nick Berg decapitation? Remember Jessica Lynch who was brutally raped in Iraq and later rescued by US troops?

It’s tough to have sympathy for evil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_hostages_in_Iraq

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Lynch

dthorny on January 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM

“Jan Mohammad Khan, a Taliban fighter in eastern Afghanistan, says the video affected him more than all the carnage that he’s seen in his 10 years in the jihad. ‘I have never hurt so much as I did when I saw this video,’ he says.

A bullet hurts more.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM

‘These Americans have crossed the borders of civilization and humanity by disrespecting the dead.’…

says someone whose life’s purpose is to go back to the 7th century barbarism ,
because it’s in the koran

burrata on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Oh what a disgrace if such a despicable and evil Satanic cult and it’s enablers that has brutalized all humanity for over a thousand years should be allowed to condemn and punish those who fight against them and who have the faith of omnipotent God! With what reproaches will the Lord overwhelm the people of America if they do not fully side with these righteous Marines who fight on the side of the Lord?

Behold! On the one side will be the completely urine drenched dead and soulless Mohammedans, on the other the righteous protectors of humanity. On the one side will be the dead and urine soaked enemies of the Lord, on the other, his friends and allies who will shout at the soulless Mohammedans as they destroy them and drench them and all their Korans in urine and level all their Mosques, “It is the will of God! It is the will of God!! It is the will of God!!!”

RasThavas on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

What the hell is wrong with those calling this anything other than combat intimidation. This is like two fighters meeting in the ring and both talking trash or glaring at each other. This is contempt for the cowardly taliban crap that think of themselves as warriors. No, when you mutilate women and children and bomb innocent people you are not a warrior, you are scum. These Marines, of which I am one, were telling the taliban to come and get MF’s. This is what awaits you on your trip to heaven. This is war folks and these taliban are subhuman. You don’t treat them like they signed the Geneva Convention and you don’t treat them like they are human. And if this cowardly president signs a peace treaty with them then he is there equal. Can you imagine the story Hillary would tell if she was actually in combat wearing instead of sitting on her bullet proof vest? I can just see her squatting over those bodies now!

inspectorudy on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Would it have been torture if they pissed on them while they were alive?

If they did it at home it would have been. Oh these poor boys suffering from post traumatic syndrome. You can’t win. It only becomes a big deal if you let it.

MOVE ON!

tomas on January 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM

“Jan Mohammad Khan, a Taliban fighter in eastern Afghanistan, says the video affected him more than all the carnage that he’s seen in his 10 years in the jihad. ‘I have never hurt so much as I did when I saw this video,’ he says.

Would be better to put this one out of his misery.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Would be better to put this one out of his misery.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 9:52 PM

For that, we’ll have to find him first.
I’m not even sure if this dude even exists,
afterall it is a Daily Beast writer venting for a paycheck , maybe he just made him up !!

burrata on January 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

“It is the will of God! It is the will of God!! It is the will of God!!!”

RasThavas on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Uh, no. It is the will of a few good Marines. But I can see how you confused the two.

John the Libertarian on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Dude, again? Is this three times now?

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

“Jan Mohammad Khan, a Taliban fighter in eastern Afghanistan, says the video affected him more than all the carnage that he’s seen in his 10 years in the jihad. ‘I have never hurt so much as I did when I saw this video,’ he says.

So this bothers him to no end, but all the brutalizing of women and little girls that he has done bothers him not in the least. Piss on him.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

They were just trying to wake them up with a gentle piss on the cheek.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Morally speaking, I don’t have a problem with what the Marines did. What I have a problem with is them being so stupid as to take pictures of it. Have our armed forces learned nothing from the public relations disaster of Abu Ghraib?

Dukeboy01 on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

inspectorudy on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

You cannot really believe what you wrote here. Please tell me this is tongue in cheek. Or are you actually advocating this behavior?

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Mohammedan morals consist in prostrate like bowing 5 times a day in the general direction of some black stone in Mecca that is suppose to have fallen down from their moon-god, Allah, and attending mosque regularly at the appointed weekly time, and in breaking the ten commandments all the balance of the week. It comes natural to them to lie and cheat and kill and enslave in the first place, and then they go on and improve on that nature until they arrive at perfection. I never did dislike anyone as much as those Muslims and especially the Arabs, and, when Israel is pushed to war with them again, I hope America and England and France will not find it good breeding nor good judgment to interfere.

InkyBinkyBarleyBoo on January 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

“But what possible benefit does desecrating enemy corpses serve? — other than to radicalize other terrorists — and to provide our enemies with talking points and propaganda photos? (Oh yeah, it also fosters the notion that America is no different from the rest of the barbaric world — that we are simply about imposing our power, not liberating oppressed people or defending our citizens.)

Oh good grief! Are people really this slobbering stupid?

This is going to radicalize other terrorists? Our presence over there actually killing their terrorists isn’t enough to do that?

The only reason this provides the enemy with talking points and propaganda photos is because we let it. The Taliban think they gain propaganda points by beheading and dismembering those they kill (I think that’s desecration of a body, but under the new uber-lib ROE’s I’m not sure) and then they think they win propaganda points when our soldiers urinate on their dead remains? WTF!? Over

Yeah, propaganda points: be part of a rebel insurgency and we pee on you when we kill you. That’s propaganda points.

Only problem with this whole thing is that some dumba$$ jarhead thought posting the video to youtube was a great idea.

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

They all deserve to be pissed on, the live ones and the dead ones.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM

The terrorists will become even more terroristic now. When will it stop? Can’t we just leave them at stage 1 terrorism.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Only problem with this whole thing is that some dumba$$ jarhead thought posting the video to youtube was a great idea.

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

It was posted on
LiveLEAK
;-)

burrata on January 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Carthoris on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

RasThavas on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Hmmmm, There’s a pattern here somewhere. I’m sure it will come to me in time. Where is Thuja?

Crania Hellbent on January 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I repeat myself, but read my new book “War and Piss”.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

“Ahmet, these virgins, they are so WET!”

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

You cannot really believe what you wrote here. Please tell me this is tongue in cheek. Or are you actually advocating this behavior?

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM

I certainly hope he was sincere as I would like to hire him as the next secdef and watch him can all the pro-Islam, anti-American generals at the Grand Mosque of Dhimmitude called the Pentagon.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Dude, again? Is this three times now?

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Actually, I think it’s four times….on this site. I happen to like it.

Sorry if you don’t.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Dhummitude

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

(I think that’s desecration of a body, but under the new uber-lib ROE’s I’m not sure)

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Um no. Theater (OEF) General Order #1 to start with.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

It was great the first two times.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Can you imagine the story Hillary would tell if she was actually in combat wearing instead of sitting on her bullet proof vest? I can just see her squatting over those bodies now!

inspectorudy on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Thanks for that image. I really did not need to visualize that.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Behead them, so they can’t see the virgins.

KOOLAID2 on January 14, 2012 at 10:11 PM

Hmmmm, There’s a pattern here somewhere. I’m sure it will come to me in time. Where is Thuja?

Crania Hellbent on January 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Sink me, but I believe you are on to something here, my good chap. Clearly the pattern is that all those names are … … French.

PercyB on January 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

So this bothers him to no end, but all the brutalizing of women and little girls that he has done bothers him not in the least. Piss on him.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

I think those marines did just that. After all, the members of the religion of peace believe their martyrs who have died killing others are so pure, their bodies don’t need to be washed, why should they take offense at the marines helping wash them a bit?

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Camouflage pantsuits

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

It was great the first two times.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Even better when I posted it on a couple of uber-lib sites. Got a much sterner reaction.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Someone please explain to me why a handful of Marines pissing on some dead Taliban bastards is “wrong“?

In Federal Court in New Bern, NC today, three would-be Islamist terrorists were found guilty of a slew of terrorism-related charges in a planned attack on unsuspecting wives and children of Marine Corps personnel residing on the sprawling Marine base in Quantico, Virginia.

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Um no. Theater (OEF) General Order #1 to start with.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Sorry I wasn’t as clear as I should have been. That was referring to the actions of the Taliban mutilating the bodies of coalition forces.

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

Because we’re not them Kini.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

It was posted on
LiveLEAK
;-)

burrata on January 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

I stand corrected

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Dhummitude

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Dhimmitude in Operation Enduring Insanity.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Mrs. Smith hates this
Sgt. Vulcha hates this
Mother Culcha hates this
21st Century lady hates this
Too bad it seems I’m damn near an Army of One.

March on then; film your dumbazz selves, wearing the uniform–what will you say then, next time they film desecration of one of ours?

But it’s all good now. Everyone wants to buy yall a beer and Bill Maher applauds…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Sorry I wasn’t as clear as I should have been. That was referring to the actions of the Taliban mutilating the bodies of coalition forces.

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Right, the Taliban has an ultra-lib ROE.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Piss on em

RAGIN CAJUN on January 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Because we’re not them Kini.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

As long as they never come to that understanding, we won’t have to act like them. I personally wouldn’t have relieved myself on them, but I’d relish the chance to make them fully aware they don’t get their virgins if I killed them.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM

‘It’s insane,’ says an Afghan [Taliban] sub-commander in Helmand province where the urination incident allegedly took place last year. ‘Why are we talking to those who hate us so much that they desecrate our martyrs’ bodies?’

Oh like how our soldiers’ naked bodies were dragged through the streets of Mogudishu?

Spare me the faux outrage. He’s just deliberately giving fodder to the politically correct hand wringers.

dukecitygirl on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Dhimmitude in Operation Enduring Insanity.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Obama, respect for Muslims, all other forms of political correctness, it’s all Enduring Insanity.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Sink me, but I believe you are on to something here, my good chap. Clearly the pattern is that all those names are … … French.

PercyB on January 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

Righto, I guess that makes them musketeers. How does that go? All are one, one is all, or something like that.

Crania Hellbent on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM

They don’t actually believe every act of dying in war nets them virgins.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Because we’re not them Kini.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I know we are not Hawkdriver.

Remember when we used to win wars?

“I drove to the Rhine River and went across on the pontoon bridge. I stopped in the middle to take a piss and then picked up some dirt on the far side in emulation of William the Conqueror.” General George S. Patton, March 1945

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

March on then; film your dumbazz selves, wearing the uniform–what will you say then, next time they film desecration of one of ours?

But it’s all good now. Everyone wants to buy yall a beer and Bill Maher applauds…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

I’m against this kind of treatment, but at the same time, I’m under no illusion that given the chance, the Taliban would desecrate our fallen soldiers even if they had never seen or heard of this video. So I don’t think that’s something to quibble about.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

He likes to police everyone’s comments. Attacks anyone who doesn’t toe the line with his. *eyeroll*

dukecitygirl on January 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

They were just trying to wake them up with a gentle piss on the cheek.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Clearly they were being gentleman and were tying to wake them from their slumber so as not to miss Tea Time.

PercyB on January 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

They don’t actually believe every act of dying in war nets them virgins.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Ah, true, but there’s one method that makes them believe they absolutely will NOT get their virgins in paradise.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Mortal enemies need to be destroyed, pissed on and not given any compassion. That’s the only way to go.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I certainly hope he was sincere as I would like to hire him as the next secdef and watch him can all the pro-Islam, anti-American generals at the Grand Mosque of Dhimmitude called the Pentagon.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Oh, yes, a guy who writes something like that would make a great Secretary of defense. (Major sarcasm)

McDuck on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

He likes to police everyone’s comments. Attacks anyone who doesn’t toe the line with his. *eyeroll*

dukecitygirl on January 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Your characterizations are amazing. My conversation on the other thread with you was certainly not policing. It was an exchange. If you felt otherwise, I don’t know what to tell you.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Ah, true, but there’s one method that makes them believe they absolutely will NOT get their virgins in paradise.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Yeah, I think that message came through the first time you hinted at it.

McDuck on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

For all you Holier than thou liberals on this site, go to liveleak.com and look at yesterdays videos. You will see how Afghan troops sharpen their knives on dead Taliban. Then tell me how bad our Marines are!!!

vietvet68 on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

How’s that winning hearts and minds working out so far?

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

He didn’t desecrate a body.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

The Talibanization of America.

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

How does that go? All are one, one is all, or something like that.

Crania Hellbent on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

I think it’s all for one and one for all and pissing on Taliban is such a ball.

PercyB on January 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

Desecretary of Defence

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Yeah, I think that message came through the first time you hinted at it.

McDuck on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

It obviously didn’t to some.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM

Someone please explain to me why a handful of Marines pissing on some dead Taliban bastards is “wrong“?

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:13 PM

I empathize with your quote. My wife and children could easily have been targeted. The problem is that we don’t kill for sport or blood lust. Our military kills as an extension of US policy…which is to say as an extension of US morality. An enemy that is shocking and perverse does not permit us to respond in kind or else we surrender the grounds from which we launch war – moral superiority…as subjective as that is.

blankminde on January 14, 2012 at 10:27 PM

How’s that winning hearts and minds working out so far?

Igor R. on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

They haven’t won one yet, although they have managed to rent a few for about two billion a week.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Wikileaks will be relieving themselves of this story shortly.

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Our military kills as an extension of US policy…which is to say as an extension of US morality.

Since when has serving Muslims been an extension of US morality?

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

He didn’t desecrate a body.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I think it was as close to a real shower they’ve ever had in their life. Albeit, a golden shower.

I just saying this is mouse nuts when compared to the larger picture of atrocities committed by this subhuman species

Kini on January 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

He didn’t desecrate a body.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I’m pretty sure Patton wasn’t the type of commander to do something like that. He had less the political bent than his contemporaries did. He saw politics as a way to get what he wanted to kill the enemy, but battles to him were more like a chess game than a fight to the death. Not that he ever let on to his men how he really thought.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Did I just read the Afghan government condemns this? Take a look at how Afghan troops treat the Taliban:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4cd_1326415154

RichardG on January 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

The freedom to pee is one of the most important rights we have… we lose that, and its game over.

El_Terrible on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

The EPA commies are already conspiring to limit the flow rate.

viking01 on January 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM

This kind of stuff happens in all wars. Ask a senior citizen that was in WWII (supposedly America’s only moral war since a Democrat was President) and you’ll hear far worse than this. Do you know how many kind old grandpa’s have a picture of themselves next to a dead Jap like it was a hunting trophy?

The military needs to have a zero tolerance policy for any personal recording/photography in theaters of war.

BradTank on January 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Patton and Churchill both pee’d in the Rhine.

Groucho Marx pee’d on the Nazi stadium at Nuremberg.

Big deal.

Good thing these Marines didn’t spray the scum with bacon grease. A-rab mooslim mobs would really be “seething” all over the world.

Horace on January 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM

He likes to police everyone’s comments. Attacks anyone who doesn’t toe the line with his. *eyeroll*

dukecitygirl on January 14, 2012 at 10:21 PM

And being *eyerolled* when alive is much worse than being pissed on when dead. Far more disrespectful for sure.

VorDaj on January 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Our military kills as an extension of US policy…which is to say as an extension of US morality. An enemy that is shocking and perverse does not permit us to respond in kind or else we surrender the grounds from which we launch war – moral superiority…as subjective as that is.

blankminde on January 14, 2012 at 10:27 PM

To a point, I agree. Kill. Do what it takes to kill the enemy and save the Republic. But after the enemy is dead, don’t foul yourselves by doing things to the body. All it does is make you look like a barbarian.

That being said, if the enemy is alive and not surrendering, anything goes.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM

March on then; film your dumbazz selves, wearing the uniform–what will you say then, next time they film desecration of one of ours?

But it’s all good now. Everyone wants to buy yall a beer and Bill Maher applauds…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

These guys made a series of dumb mistakes. I would bet they’re all under 22. At this age, they’ve already dragged dead friends out of kill zones and shaken the hands of two-faces afghanis.

Is there supposed to be some sarcasm in your post?

blankminde on January 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM

Right, the Taliban has an ultra-lib ROE.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Here’s what I have been trying to say:

1) To the Taliban and to our side, the fact that some of our soldiers urinated on dead bodies constitutes an act of desecrating the bodies of the fallen enemy.
2) It is understandable and acceptable that within our (the coalition) own operating rules, we do not condone nor allow such treatment of bodies. Disciplinary action of some sort is certainly in order, especially to the idiot who decided to publicize this proscribed behavior on an international forum (LiveLeak — the irony burns)
3) The leftists on our side go beyond the mere reprimand of this type of behavior into full fledged freak-out high-order outrage mode. To the point that the leftists on our side equate this to being as bad as anything the enemy has ever done and that we are no better than they because of this. However,
4) The taliban have routinely killed women and children on their own side, tossed acid at young girls who have the audacity to attend school, and have beheaded and dismembered both fallen and captured soldiers on our side. Yet
5) For some reason, none of these things, including beheading and dismembering the bodies of our fallen send the left into full fledged freak-out mode. In fact,
6) the left doesn’t really seem all that disturbed by the behavior cited in 5), Therefore,
7) In uber-lib ROE’s, when the Taliban commits such acts, it must not be desecration of the bodies of the fallen since the left seems to be so outraged about desecration of the bodies of the fallen, whereas
8) Four marines urinating on the bodies of fallen Taliban who have committed the atrocities described above is considered by the left to be desecration of a fallen enemy’s body. Thus
9) My purely sarcastic and hyperbolic remark regarding ub-lib ROE’s that
10) They apparently don’t get too disturbed about the fallen on our side being mutilated but consider urination on the fallen to be desecration.

Not sure why you are being so contentious engaging my comment.

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

This kind of stuff happens in all wars. Ask a senior citizen that was in WWII (supposedly America’s only moral war since a Democrat was President)

BradTank on January 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM

Uh, what?

WWI-Wilson-Dem
WWII-Roosevelt-ditto
Korea-Truman-ditto
Vietnam-Johnson-ditto

The GOP hadn’t gotten into starting wars for over 100 years until Desert Storm came along.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:36 PM

Not sure why you are being so contentious engaging my comment.

AZfederalist on January 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

Oh, so you’ve noticed it too. It’s called “intolerance”. Plenty of people here posted things I don’t agree with, but I’m not going to jump all over them for it.

dukecitygirl on January 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

That being said, if the enemy is alive and not surrendering, anything goes.

john1schn on January 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM

That’s guerra baby. We have a series of tenants in the Law of War for this exact reason and we charge commanders at the lowest level to be excruciatingly clear in training their Marines. The reason we protect both combatants and non-combatants from unnecessary suffering is because we don’t want to be at war eternally. That said, we should have the backbone to be merciless until the enemy is on his back and then start to show ourselves as better men.

This doesn’t mean we’ve got to piss on corpses though. That’s just bad PR.

blankminde on January 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

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