Quotes of the day

posted at 9:30 pm on January 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

“Yet the act of desecrating an enemy’s body is as old as war, perhaps most famously described by Homer in ‘The Iliad,’ when Achilles drags Hector’s lifeless body behind his chariot before the eyes of a shocked and despairing Troy. Nancy Sherman, a professor of philosophy at Georgetown University who has written a book about the moral implications of war on troops, ‘The Untold War,’ said dehumanizing the enemy can be a psychological defense mechanism for the troops whose job is to kill that enemy…

“Mr. Exum said black humor is another coping mechanism for young troops trying to act tough beyond their years. ‘I remember being a young officer in Afghanistan in 2002 and standing over the body of this partially decapitated Taliban and cracking jokes,’ he said. ‘Humor is how we cope with pretty horrific stuff. It’s almost dangerous to be too sensitive.’

“Alex Lemons, a Marine scout sniper during the fierce fighting in the Iraqi city of Falluja in 2004, said that on several occasions he encountered American troops who either urinated on insurgent bodies or manipulated them for photographs, like putting them in ridiculous poses. While he called such behavior disgusting, he also said it could be cathartic.

“‘I’ve never spat on a dead body or urinated on one, but I’ve certainly screamed at a dead body because they’ve taken a friend’s life,’ said Mr. Lemons, who left the Marine Corps in 2008.”

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“But what possible benefit does desecrating enemy corpses serve? — other than to radicalize other terrorists — and to provide our enemies with talking points and propaganda photos? (Oh yeah, it also fosters the notion that America is no different from the rest of the barbaric world — that we are simply about imposing our power, not liberating oppressed people or defending our citizens.)

“In a perfect world, our warriors would operate clinically. Like professionals, they would follow orders, dispassionately removing cancers, never allowing emotion to creep into their decisions. It is understandable, of course, that men — faced with the horrors of war (our enemies are evil people who do horrible things!) — sometimes fall far short of that high standard.

“But this was dancing in the end zone.”

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“There is a final context for this act in which we are all responsible, all guilty. A 19-year-old Marine has a very hard time reconciling the fact that it’s okay to waterboard a live Taliban fighter but not okay to urinate on a dead one.

“When the war on terror started, the Marines in that video were probably 9 or 10 years old. As children they heard adults — and political leaders — talk about our enemies in the most inhuman terms. The Internet and the news media are filled with self-important men and women referring to our enemies as animals that deserve little legal or moral consideration. We have sent enemy fighters to countries like Syria and Libya to be tortured by the very regimes that we have recently condemned for engaging in war crimes and torture. They have been tortured into confessing their crimes and then locked up indefinitely without trial because their confessions — achieved through torture — will not stand up in court.

“For the past 10 years, American children have absorbed these moral contradictions, and now they are fighting our wars. The video doesn’t surprise me, but it makes me incredibly sad — not just for them, but also for us. We may prosecute these men for desecrating the dead while maintaining that it is okay to torture the living.

“I hope someone else knows how to explain that to our soldiers, because I don’t have the faintest idea.”

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“Initially there were concerns that outrage over the issue would spiral into a scandal like the one in 2004 over the release of photos showing a group of U.S. military police abusing prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq…

“But Afghan officials and others said the quick responses by all sides had helped contain the damage.

“‘As all three sides — the U.S., the Afghan government and the Taliban — have all condemned this act, I’m hopeful that this will not have any effect on the peace process,’ Abdul Hakim Mujahid, a member of the peace council and the Taliban’s former envoy to the United Nations, said Saturday…

“‘Reconciliation is a big change for the people of Afghanistan and it won’t be affected by the actions of individuals like those in the video,’ Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid told The Associated Press on Friday. ‘We are focused on the bigger picture and for that, we have to avoid small things.’”

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“‘It’s insane,’ says an Afghan [Taliban] sub-commander in Helmand province where the urination incident allegedly took place last year. ‘Why are we talking to those who hate us so much that they desecrate our martyrs’ bodies?’ he asks angrily in a phone conversation with The Daily Beast. His anger extends to the Taliban’s negotiators in Qatar. ‘To me those who claim to represent the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in these talks are dishonoring the rivers of blood we have shed,’ he says. ‘This act is worse than that of animals,’ adds the sub-commander who declines to be named for security reasons. ‘They showed no shame.’

“Jan Mohammad Khan, a Taliban fighter in eastern Afghanistan, says the video affected him more than all the carnage that he’s seen in his 10 years in the jihad. ‘I have never hurt so much as I did when I saw this video,’ he says. ‘These Americans have crossed the borders of civilization and humanity by disrespecting the dead.’…

“The former translator who lives in Kabul with his family says the video has outraged even his normally calm and moderate father. ‘This morning my father was so angry that he ordered me to burn any money I may still have from the Americans as it was a sin to keep it,’ he says. ‘If this action has so angered my father it will certainly anger other common Afghans.’ If so the already difficult fledgling peace process has just become even more complicated.”

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Via the Daily Caller.


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“We sleep safely at night because rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would harm us.”
― Winston S. Churchill

redgypsy on January 15, 2012 at 5:07 AM

What a pantywaist you must be.

dukecitygirl on January 15, 2012 at 3:19 AM

You have stepped over the line missy. You want a war? You Got It!

Again, answer the question. Were you ever in the military?

You cannot answer, because your ignorance is shinning the light on who you are. An angry evil troll.

Kini on January 15, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Why are you poking sticks at this person? What do you hope to accomplish except making things worse?

kim roy on January 15, 2012 at 5:08 AM

If the Taliban doesn’t like it, piss on em.

We are to respect an enemy that hides bombs on handicapped children, on mules, IED’s. They drag our soldiers down the street, cut off their heads, burns the bodies, cuts off limbs and hangs them off a bridge?

Can we PLEASE REMEMBER Daniel Pearl being decapitated? The Nick Berg decapitation? Remember Jessica Lynch who was brutally raped in Iraq and later rescued by US troops?

It’s tough to have sympathy for evil.

exactly what i was thinking

DiabloAzure on January 15, 2012 at 6:12 AM

Keep on milking this one hotair! Everyone else is!

Sherman1864 on January 15, 2012 at 6:16 AM

I was in Viet Nam and saw first hand what the VC did to our men in and out of prison camps. You have no idea. Also how these muslim, islamic terrorists (yes Muslim = islamic = terrorist. Put it in you pipe and smoke it.) So, I have NO PROBLEM with pissing on the bodies. THEY sure as hell have done a lot worse to our young men and women. The problem I have is with putting it on the net for ALL to see. Some things ae just better kept a secret.

Long haired country boy on January 15, 2012 at 6:49 AM

The eternal soul (or human instinct) pursues moral superiority. The first shall be last.

exdeadhead on January 15, 2012 at 7:31 AM

Until you’ve had the blood of one of your friends on your hands, or left your DNA on some field/swamp/jungle/desert, in this combat veteran’s eyes, your opinion is worthless.

In fact, most combat soldiers, the world over, have a bond and an appreciation for one another that a-holes like this could never comprehend nor appreciate.

I hold that little bastard that drew a bead on me in high regard and would shake his hand if I could, for he knows and we understand!!!

Dread Pirate Roberts VI on January 15, 2012 at 7:34 AM

WAR IS HELL … let ‘em have it Marines.
The taliban are scumbags that do worse things to women, children and non-believers on any given day, then, use their dastardly deeds as a calling card.
I think that their corpses (not “corps” Obama the intellect) should have been fed to pigs.

kregg on January 15, 2012 at 7:50 AM

In the liberal mind pissing on an enemy is evil but pissing on your own flag is admirable.

Grunt on January 15, 2012 at 7:52 AM

I think that their corpses . . . should have been fed to pigs.

kregg on January 15, 2012 at 7:50 AM

In war it does seem appropriate to take advantage of an enemy’s superstitions.

exdeadhead on January 15, 2012 at 7:56 AM

Why are you poking sticks at this person? What do you hope to accomplish except making things worse?

kim roy on January 15, 2012 at 5:08 AM

Because, dukecitygirl, started this. Read the thread. She’s a stalker.
She took offense, when none was given.
She attacked a patriot, who is a friend of mine.
She smeared and distorted my friend’s comments.
She never answered my question about being in the circle of military life. Armchair quarterbacks don’t win wars.

She came here to start a fight with a genuine American hero. A volunteer, a protector of our way of life. No better friend; no worse enemy.

That is what I was trying to accomplish. Defending those who defend us.

What is your comment to me about? /snarky liberal rhetoric

Kini on January 15, 2012 at 8:04 AM

In the liberal mind pissing on an enemy is evil but pissing on your own flag is admirable.

Grunt on January 15, 2012 at 7:52 AM

But pissing on our own flag makes our enemies happy.

CW on January 15, 2012 at 8:08 AM

I think the Democrats are mad about this because they want to be the only ones who get to pee on people.

JellyToast on January 15, 2012 at 8:22 AM

OT:

Jailed ex-Marine becomes pawn in escalating fight between Iran, US

A former U.S. Marine who has been sentenced to death by Iran for allegedly spying for the CIA is caught in the middle of increasing hostilities between Iran and the United States…

Flora Duh on January 15, 2012 at 8:29 AM

Why are you poking sticks at this person? What do you hope to accomplish except making things worse?

kim roy on January 15, 2012 at 5:08 AM

She was asked by several here to tone it down and call it a night. Doubled down instead. Screue her.

katy the mean old lady on January 15, 2012 at 8:44 AM

Why are people still talking about this? Who cares? I saw worse things than this happen during my tour in Iraq. If some of these sensitive people knew what really went on their heads would explode. It’s war not laser-tag.

jephthah on January 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM

Hotgas needs to start some sort of content warning system. I just read through some of this thread without my hip boots on. Now look at me…

lynncgb on January 15, 2012 at 9:32 AM

The Afghan burned his American money right after he beat his wife which is not a sin. How can a radicalized terrorist become more radical? Is there a measurement these talking heads use to denote the depth of the terrorists radicalization? The Taliban have a totally different culture than we do and we shouldn’t try to fit them into ours.

Kissmygrits on January 15, 2012 at 9:33 AM

He put his life on the line along with the others at Restrepo.

I respect any person that put themselves in the Korengal, especially at the time that Junger did. Operational tempo out there was very high; I was out there at the same time as he and his crew. But to use the fact that he was out there, even when he was, as some sort of qualifier for being able to speak to what warriors go through mentally is asinine.

He, much as I was on most of my missions, was an observer. An observer has a better idea of what war is like than those that have never experienced it. Much like someone that has killed in self preservation has a better idea of what it is to take another life is a step closer to understanding what a warrior goes through mentally. But even taking a life in self defense does not qualify a person to understand what it is like to be trained to kill and sent out to hunt down an enemy. These warriors take a life knowing that they will have to do it again and again until they themselves are dead or go home alive.

So what is seen by some as an immoral act in a time of war looks to me more like the manifestation of mental coping mechanisms that some of these warriors develop to keep themselves mentally capable of moving forward.

The irony of the outrage of this act is that our liberal establishment is complicate; by taking away more and more of the religious teachings that were commonplace in the not so distant past, have also taken away some of the teachings that Christianity provides. These teachings enforce moral law and would possibly guide our warriors to different coping mechanisms that are more in line with what we would expect from a virtuous society.


2327 Because of the evils and injustices that all war brings with it, we must do everything reasonably possible to avoid it. The Church prays: “From famine, pestilence, and war, O Lord, deliver us.”

2300 The bodies of the dead must be treated with respect and charity, in faith and hope of the Resurrection. The burial of the dead is a corporal work of mercy; it honors the children of God, who are temples of the Holy Spirit.

There are three points of doctrine the belief of which forms the foundation of all morality. The first is the existence of God; the second is the immortality of the human soul; and the third is a future state of rewards and punishments. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith and that man will have no conscience, he will have no other law than that of the tiger or the shark.
(Source: John Quincy Adams, Letters of John Quincy Adams to His Son on the Bible and Its Teachings (Auburn: James M. Alden, 1850), pp. 22-23.)

And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.
(Source: George Washington, Address of George Washington, President of the United States . . . Preparatory to His Declination (Baltimore: George and Henry S. Keatinge), pp. 22-23. In his Farewell Address to the United States in 1796.)

donkichi on January 15, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I sure hope whoever is running against DWS takes that Maher video and uses it against DWS in all campaigning to show how she hates the troops and thinks they are disgusting. How dare she act so sanctimonious when she has NO IDEA what these young hero’s are going through over there! Every constituent of hers who is serving or has family members who are serving should see her contempt and total lack of empathy.

ctmom on January 15, 2012 at 10:00 AM

tom on January 15, 2012 at 3:50 AM

Tom, I’m not sure what thread you were reading but chiefs comments weren’t hostile at any level. Dukecitygirl seems like she had an axe to grind from the beginning. That woman just completely lost her composure.

Otherwise I’m with everyone else. Let the CORPs discipline these guys and keep the outside pressure out.

smoothsailing on January 15, 2012 at 10:02 AM

I think the reaction to this incident and the incident itself may be the result of several things. One, I am completely against a draft but I think the lack of a draft means fewer people are exposed to combat and the kinds of things that happen in a war. Two, our general population is told how to react to these incidents by people with an agenda and people who despise the military. Three, I think people just don’t want to think about war and what kinds of things occur. It’s too horrific for them to contemplate. Four, I think that urinating on the enemy may be a consequence of how our soldiers are treated by the enemy. In WW2, there were far more of these things happening in the Asian theater than the European theater of war. This is mainly because of how Japanese used surrender as a weapon against US Marines. Once your buddies are blown up by a grenade hidden in the clothing of a surrendering Japanese soldier, you tend to shoot them first and not take prisoners. You don’t respect them because they don’t follow your perception of the rules of warfare. The Taliban are not respected because they use children and mental defectives as bombs and they hide behind civilians. When you do finally kill them, the inclination is to treat them as scum and something to be pissed on. Anyway, just the thoughts of someone who has studied war but has had the good fortune to never have been in combat.

gordo on January 15, 2012 at 10:26 AM

I’m just going to enjoy what will probably be the only moment ever that Bill Maher and I agree on something.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 10:56 AM

Ah, the joys of interpreting instead of asking for clarification! I’ve done that more times than I want to think about.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 11:17 AM

But it is not what we do. This is not what our military stands for.

hawkdriver on January 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM

It’s not what we stand for – and nobody has said that it is (except for leftists).

But it certainly is what we do. I pissed on NVA crispy critters in VietNam.

Solaratov on January 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM

It’s not what we stand for – and nobody has said that it is (except for leftists).

But it certainly is what we do. I pissed on NVA crispy critters in VietNam.

Solaratov on January 15, 2012 at 11:59 AM

Sorry to hear that.

hawkdriver on January 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM

I just love the idea of Bill Maher, Debbie wasserman-shultz and Rob Reiner sitting in judgment of our Marines. Infantilized, sanctimonious idiots.

V7_Sport on January 15, 2012 at 12:10 PM

People sharing Hawkdriver’s view on this thread have it right about the issue.
Additionally you can be confident that this video clip will be used in Jihadi recruitment videos. Long after these unprofessional soldiers have hung up the uniform others will suffer the consequences of their actions.
And don’t go on with the happy happy joy joy crap about how bad the Taliban are… it is the locals who are not Taliban that this will have the most impact with. Hard to convince them we are better than the Taliban when these kinds of things are on the internet.

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 12:21 PM

Do the locals care who is “better” or stronger and who improves their lives. Stupid immature acts only define the U.S. military if we let it. In sheer numbers I’ll match our guys respectful treatment of the enemy over the Taliban, Al Quada, Hamas, etc., etc., etc., any day.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 12:32 PM

Cindy,
You have to depend on the locals if you expect to get decent intelligence and information on the situation on the ground. The stupid immature acts define the clowns in this video NOT the rest of the military.
The Russians just tried with “stronger” and failed. The US has engaged the locals in a lot of positive ways and have benefited from it.

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Wow, looks like a very heated evening on this thread, kinda like a fire fight. Read all the comments in the interest of fairness to all who take the time to comment. Here is what I observe, it seems to largely be an issue with the format and nature of posting sometimes. Here is an example of what I am trying to convey. “Read the book.” “Read the book.” They convey a different message do they not? I’m not defending or attacking, it was very heated over what may seem a small difference in perception. At any rate when this thread is finally dead, I am going to come back to it and piss on it to make sure it is out, and no film will be available for review. And I for one will shut up about it. Perception/Reality Go Pack!!!

Bmore on January 15, 2012 at 12:57 PM

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 12:54 PM

A few do not represent the total and we are allowing that to be take away.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 12:59 PM

YOU, as an American, may be able to make the differentiation which is no surprise.

However, you are very naive if you expect the same of nationals from other countries to make that distinction. That is the reason military people are constantly trained and prompted to be professionals.

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM

I served 17 months in Viet Nam. I think anyone who passes judgement on this had better know WTF you are talking about. These cowards are the worst kind of fanatics. They deserve to be pumped with pig piss,buried face down and feet toward mecca. That way they can’t see heaven, can find heaven or mecca and will not be admitted to heaven. I would end this war very quickly with just few deaths but the libs would have a fit over my methods. If you are brutal enough right from the start far fewer will die and far fewer of our soldiers hurt or KIA. BTW I’ll bet the ones crying over this didn’t say a word over the murders, beheading and desecration of our troops.

jjthetraveler on January 15, 2012 at 1:11 PM

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM

What should the punishment be for these soldiers?

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 1:16 PM

What should the punishment be for these soldiers?

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 1:16 PM

Whatever punishments the UCMJ dictates are what they should be subject to.
http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/war_crime_charging.pdf

has a lot of information if you are willing to read through it.

What do you think the punishment should be?

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:30 PM

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:30 PM

I’m not really sure, something that the “locals” think is a big deal. Maybe multiple shoes thrown at 25 paces. And don’t forget the cameraman.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 1:35 PM

What should the punishment be for these soldiers?

A strongly worded letter asking them never to do that again!

Kini on January 15, 2012 at 1:41 PM

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 1:35 PM

Your sarcasm is duly noted. UCMJ exists for several reasons. This type of conduct is covered in it. Good order and discipline are essential to a good military.

Perhaps you would feel better if they were given a decoration for their acts…..

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:45 PM

A strongly worded letter asking them never to do that again!

Kini on January 15, 2012 at 1:41 PM

That really sets a good precedent for the 99.9% of the military who conduct themselves professionally, with courage and honor doesn’t it?

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:47 PM

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:45 PM

No, I am not for rewarding young and stupid. They should probably be dismissed but not dishonorably.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 1:49 PM

I don’t condone what was done – and yet I don’t put much value in the words of Afghani folks who are more outraged about this than anything else they’ve ever seen – you know, like beheadings, stonings, etc.

Midas on January 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM

Midas on January 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM

It’s amazing isn’t it? Especially when the locals have been the victims at the hands of the Taliban.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 2:37 PM

A strongly worded letter asking them never to do that again!

Kini on January 15, 2012 at 1:41 PM

That really sets a good precedent for the 99.9% of the military who conduct themselves professionally, with courage and honor doesn’t it?

Bradky on January 15, 2012 at 1:47 PM

While that conduct may, indeed, be less than
“professional”, it says nothing about their courage (after all, they had just finished fighting and killing the talibs); and it doesn’t have a thing to do with their or the Corps’ honor – but more to dishonoring their enemy.

If it’s deemed that any sort of punishment is necessary, then it should be an Article 15/NJP with a letter of reprimand inserted in their 201 File.
No further punishment is necessary.

And, their action certainly does not rise to a “war crime”.

Solaratov on January 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

If it’s deemed that any sort of punishment is necessary, then it should be an Article 15/NJP with a letter of reprimand inserted in their 201 File.
No further punishment is necessary.

Solaratov on January 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Exactly! The gratuitous piling on by the State Dept and Defense just adds unnecessary fuel to the fire.

Kini on January 15, 2012 at 3:12 PM

In the end I bet the Afghanistan people will settle for a big old wad of cash.

Cindy Munford on January 15, 2012 at 3:19 PM

The Islamics are the world’s worst hypocrites. That entire gutter “religion” exhorts its followers to lie, to cheat, to steal, to invade, to subjugate, to rape, to pillage, to murder non-Islamics.

Hell, if I was the CO of these Marines I’d give them each a medal and then tell them in future to smear Islamic corpses with pig $h!t to ensure they go straight to Hell where their buddy “Allah” aka Satan resides.

During the Islamic Moro Rebellion in the Phillipines, Gen Douglas MacArthur Sr had his army troops smear their bullets with pig fat and buried the Moro dead with pig corpses. That rebellion ended damn quick as a result. And just like MacArthur did in the early 1900′s, we need to deal with reality instead of engaging in warm & fuzzy Libtard wishful thinking. We need to boot these heathen savages in their a$$es, not treat them like civilized human beings.

CatchAll on January 15, 2012 at 5:25 PM

If it’s deemed that any sort of punishment is necessary, then it should be an Article 15/NJP with a letter of reprimand inserted in their 201 File.
No further punishment is necessary.

Solaratov on January 15, 2012 at 2:52 PM

I think that would be appropriate if they could get the charges established as “minor offenses”.

hawkdriver on January 15, 2012 at 5:38 PM

The sun is hot. That is my opinion. I’ve never visited it but I still conclude such. A meaningless one? Perhaps. But is it right?

I recognize professionalism in industries, vocations, trade, and other endeavors. Although meaningless (apparently, since I may not be a part of the aforementioned), I recognize it nonetheless. Either the opinion on the subject is correct or incorrect.

Is it professional to urinate on dead bodies?

That is your question.

anuts on January 15, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I wish i could have the chance to piss on dead muslims and their Quran EVERY day.It will sure make me feel a 1000 times better..what a great way to start the morning would that be.

NYCguy2020 on January 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

I wish i could have the chance to piss on dead muslims and their Quran EVERY day.It will sure make me feel a 1000 times better..what a great way to start the morning would that be.

NYCguy2020 on January 15, 2012 at 6:27 PM

What a Gold-mine of cut and paste fodder for the trolls who frequent here.

Well son, you know what you’re doing to have to do to make your wish come true.

hawkdriver on January 15, 2012 at 6:38 PM

Where was the liberal outrage when American military were desecrated in Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan by muslim extremists? Where was the media while our troops were burned, limbs cut off, decapitated and hung on bridges in Iraq?

dthorny on January 15, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Alan west has a point, where is the righteous indignation when a US service is treated far worse, dead or alive?

I always think of this when things like this happen.

maddmatt on January 15, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Finally this thread dies. Time to keep my promise. I will be directing todays film,Karen is our Foley artist, Gary is our DP, Frank is our key grip and Steve is our best boy, assisting him is Art. Our talent on loan from the USMC retired. Okay places everyone. Cue the foley, and Action…The scene opens with a close shot of our Marines (retired) having just killed some bad guys. Foley has the sound of pee hitting what we assume is the ground. The DP pans out to reveal a well lit scene of our men giving a final golden shower to the dead enemy combatants. And cut. That’s a wrap. Wait my DP informs me the Red camera system wasn’t properly functioning and we missed the shot. Our best boys have already de-arced the lights and its getting late. No film at a high cost to all involved.

Like I said before boys, leave the cameras at home and spam all your ammo. Carry on, nothing to see here.

TShhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Tsh Tsh Tsh sound of zipper. Wrap

Silence. Golden silence.

Bmore on January 19, 2012 at 1:59 AM

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