Open thread: Are you ready for the Huckabee South Carolina presidential forum?

posted at 7:15 pm on January 14, 2012 by Allahpundit

8 p.m. ET on Fox News. Actually, it’s too late to get ready: They taped it this afternoon. But here’s your thread in case you’re one of the three people in America who’s watching this tonight instead of the final battle of good and evil in Foxboro. The best reason to tune in, in fact, isn’t the candidates’ answers but rather to see how the GOP’s class warrior of Campaign 2008 handles the questioning on Bain. Remember when he used to say of Romney, “Americans want a president who looks like the guy they work with, not the guy who laid them off?” Apparently he’s warming up to the idea of the latter:

Romney has come under a lot of fire for Bain Capital’s investments in some companies that were then scaled down with layoffs to become profitable. That’s been demonized thoroughly by the media as corporate raiding, But it’s surprising to see so many Republicans embrace that leftwing argument against capitalism. It’s terrible for the workers who lose their jobs, and nobody likes to see viable companies looted and destroyed. But if downsizing can turn around a failing company, then at least it prevents all the jobs from being lost, and it sets up a stronger company that can grow and start rehiring. The term for this among people who aren’t hostile to capitalism is “creative destruction.” Bad companies have to die to make way for stronger companies, in the same way that old trees fall over to make way for new trees. The other alternative, the Obama way, is to use vast amounts of taxpayer money to prop up companies that are failing in the marketplace. Sometimes, with a big enough cash transfusion, they survive, like GM. Other times, all the money in the world can’t stop them from going belly-up and losing all their jobs, like Solyndra. But at least when a company that’s bought out by investors goes bankrupt, the money that’s lost was voluntarily invested, not taken from taxpayers at gunpoint.

Watching Mike Huckabee get indignant on behalf of Mitt Romney over a blue-collar attack on Wall Street would be a television moment made of pure spun gold. Especially since stories like this are just now starting to appear in South Carolina newspapers.

Rep. Tim Scott is co-moderating, so there’s another reason to watch: You’re likely to get some tea-party-flavored questions, possibly involving RomneyCare, that you won’t get at the Fox News debate on Monday or the CNN debate on Thursday. Feel free to use this as a thread for the forum or for the big game. Here’s some video to put you in the mood for either, or both.

Update: Oh my:

At a forum hosted by Mike Huckabee with 800 undecided South Carolina Republicans, Newt Gingrich was loudly booed when he criticized Mitt Romney’s record at Bain Capital, according to a Republican who attended the closed-press event.

“They were really angry,” said the attendee. The forum will be aired on Fox News tonight.



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Perry rocked!

That’s what happened in Texas…He brought offshore manufacturers back to Texas as we diversified the Texas economy…That’s how we kicked China’s ass..

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Perry seems to be a guy who would be fun at a BBQ, but actually sitting in the Oval Office analyzing national problems and forming viable solutions—not so much!

Oracleforhire on January 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Mitt Romney opens up wide lead in South Carolina with 37% support, Newt Gingrich falls to 12%

– @ReutersStory metadata:
Submitted 5 hours ago by editor

http://www.breakingnews.com/

canopfor on January 14, 2012 at 9:27 PM

Oh for Pete’s sakes… it is an ON LINE POLL. But thanks for trying to freak us out.

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

So, I am looking for one thing on Perry. What controversial far right position has he taken in this campaign and stuck to against the onslaught of attacks on it? If you can name it, you can probably convince me I can trust him.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Perry is doing well my fear is he, Santorum and Newt split the conservative vote and Liberal Mittens runs away with the nomination, no small thanks to the folks he can fool.
November 2012 gives us the same as 08, left of center Repunk vs far left Obama and his billion dollar smear campaign.
Good thing is these early states have very few delegates and are proportional.

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM

So, I am looking for one thing on Perry. What controversial far right position has he taken in this campaign and stuck to against the onslaught of attacks on it? If you can name it, you can probably convince me I can trust him.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Shutting down the EPA.

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 9:37 PM

Mitt = Max Headroom without the funny

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Philly on January 14, 2012 at 8:50 PM

This ain’t no Lincoln/Douglass debate, I’d hate to say it.

The Nerve on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

I’m biased, but Perry kicked ass. I would feel perfectly confident sending Governor Upgrade to debate this stuff with President Downgrade.

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM

I’m glad he did so well.

gophergirl on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Jp, it is a good one, but I do not think he has taken any slack on it. If he has, that would be worth points to get him over that line he is so close to for me.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Newt’s name does come up — once. On Jan. 3, 1983, Reagan wrote that he met with “a group of young Repub Congressmen,” and says that one of them, “Newt Gingrich,” proposed freezing federal spending at 1983 levels, which Reagan rejected out of hand because it would “cripple our defense program.”)

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 9:17 PM

Ooooo, that’s one harsh criticism there. That’s all you got? Newt wanted to cut spending?

Say it isn’t so !

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:39 PM

How about if South Carolinians decline to vote for Romney, Paul or Huntsman? Give 90% of your votes to (alphabetically) Gingrich, Perry or Santorum? That would restart the nomination process, and give us a fresh view of the race!

Truizm on January 14, 2012 at 9:39 PM

Did Mitt already give his concession speech for the debate?

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Philly on January 14, 2012 at 8:50 PM

This ain’t no Lincoln/Douglass debate, I’d hate to say it.

The Nerve on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

True, it is pretty mellow and controlled.

Philly on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

I am Rick Perry and I endorse this message..

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Perry seems to be a guy who would be fun at a BBQ, but actually sitting in the Oval Office analyzing national problems and forming viable solutions—not so much!

Oracleforhire on January 14, 2012 at 9:35 PM

Except that he’s been running the state with the world’s 13th largest economy much more successfully than Zero’s been running the Oval office. 1300 people moving here everyday. Jobs moving here from China and other countries. Balanced and reduced budget. Defunded Planned parenthood. and many more.

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM

Ooooo, that’s one harsh criticism there. That’s all you got? Newt wanted to cut spending?

Say it isn’t so !

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:39 PM

No, it proves that Newt is not being truthful. Try to keep up.

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Part time congress sounds wonderful, is wonderful, but is not going to happen.
POTUS has no such power over the Legislature. Purely political pandering.

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM

We have our ballots in Fl .
There is no doubt about our votes .
Go Perry !

Lucano on January 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM

S

o, I am looking for one thing on Perry. What controversial far right position has he taken in this campaign and stuck to against the onslaught of attacks on it? If you can name it, you can probably convince me I can trust him.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Put DADT back in place. He says the military doesn’t like it and it’s bad public policy policy.

He’s said that to voters when hey asked him on the stump not in an angry way but in conversation as a veteran.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

Arguing that a person who does certain activities should not be president is saying that capitalists are evil and he wants to limit profits. Feel free to give me that quote.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 8:56 PM

It came up here at HotAir just a few days ago:

Newt Gngrich: “There is a huge difference between free-market capitalism that goes out and creates companies, grows jobs, and takes an appropriate profit, which can be quite large — I mean, Bill Gates has done fine.”

So, profits are OK — so long as they’re “appropriate.” The only other folks I’ve ever heard talk about “appropriate profits” were socialist democrats, just before they introduced a policy to confiscate profits. Who in the heck is Newt Gingrich — or anyone else — to decide if a private business’s profits are “appropriate”? I heard another guy say something very similar: “I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.”

As Ed said here in response to that quote above: “The President doesn’t get to decide when people have ‘made enough money,’” and I’ll add that Newt Gingrich doesn’t get to decide when a business has reached his “appropriate profit” threshold. Gingrich and Obama. Two peas in a socialist pod.

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM

So very true. I remember calling him Rick “3 constitutional amendments per year” Perry for a while.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

LOL

@toddstarnes: Aren’t you glad the GOP Race doesn’t include a swimsuit competition…

Flora Duh on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

I don’t think a part-time Congress works on the federal level. Other than that, Perry was fantastic. Would that he’d been this good all along,

Shay on January 14, 2012 at 9:43 PM

canopfor on January 14, 2012 at 9:27 PM
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Oh for Pete’s sakes… it is an ON LINE POLL. But thanks for trying to freak us out.

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

stenwin77:Lol,haha!!:)

canopfor on January 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Part time congress sounds wonderful, is wonderful, but is not going to happen.
POTUS has no such power over the Legislature. Purely political pandering.

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM

Gov. Rick Perry on the Citizen Legislators Act 1/12/2012

AUSTIN – Gov. Rick Perry today issued the following statement on the Citizen Legislators Act filed today by Illinois Congressman Timothy V. Johnson.

“I applaud Rep. Johnson for filing legislation to create a part-time, citizen congress that will restore the vision of our founding fathers. This bill aligns closely with my Uproot and Overhaul Washington plan, which calls for cutting congressional sessions, staffs and salaries in half.

“I support Rep. Johnson’s legislation because I believe members of Congress should spend less time in Washington and more time living at home under the laws they pass with the people they represent.

“Americans are tired of Washington politicians who are out of touch, spend all their time inside the beltway, and whose reckless spending and corrupt practices are endangering our great nation. It is time to send these politicians back home to get real jobs rather than spending all their time in Washington spending money we don’t have on programs we don’t need.

“With a part-time congress, we can save taxpayers billions of dollars, end the permanent political class and begin a complete overhaul of Washington’s broken status quo.”

http://www.rickperry.org/home/

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:44 PM

Newt: Who can beat Obama, change Washington & rebuild America? All of us, working as a team!

Go Newt!

Truizm on January 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Jp, it is a good one, but I do not think he has taken any slack on it. If he has, that would be worth points to get him over that line he is so close to for me.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:38 PM

He passed a law making it legal to shoot coyotes from helicopters.

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 9:45 PM

Did the Broncos leave their defensive team in CO to save money on air fare?

Flora Duh on January 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Newt keeps mentioning Reagan and Clinton. That was quite some time ago. Not buying, Newt.

Philly on January 14, 2012 at 9:01 PM

Notice that Newt never mentions the President in between, Bush I, despite the fact that Newt first tasted real power, as House Minority Whip, in 1989. That’s because Bush I hates Gingrich’s guts, after Newt screwed him on the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1990. The original deal that Newt scuttled included some fuel and excise tax increases. The deal that a weakened Bush and Republican party ended up eating included significantly more tax increases, including an increase on the top income tax rate. During the 1992 election, Bush got hammered with his own “Read My Lips” catch phrase and lost.

Mr. Arkadin on January 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Wow, Rick Perry did great- best I’ve ever seen him. Hope it’s not too late for him. If it is, God bless him and it will be great to have our governor back.

kg598301 on January 14, 2012 at 9:46 PM

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

The quote you just made did no such thing as what I was answering to. He never said limit profits. The proper profit level is the one where you leave the company solvent in the case of what Bain does. It is not some law he is proposing. I wholly agree with Newt that entrepreneurs should act in morally good ways and if they do not, they should not be looked up to as individuals.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Oh for Pete’s sakes… it is an ON LINE POLL. But thanks for trying to freak us out.

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:36 PM

Oh thank you!!!

catquilt on January 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

No fair use quote available?

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:12 PM

“Newt Gingrich has a proposal for freezing the budget at the 1983 level. It’s a tempting idea except that it would cripple our defense program.”

The Reagan Diaries, p. 123

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Somebody as listening to Gov. Perry

Rep. Johnson Announces Citizen Legislator Act

Limits days in session to five per month or 60 business days per session.

Halves the salary of Representatives and Senators.

Permits members to have jobs outside of Congress so long as they do not derive their income as a result of the privilege of their office, such as speaking tours, lobbying, consulting, etc.

Allows members to choose benefit plans to reflect their lower salaries and allows them to opt out completely for a private option.

Cuts member office allowances, committee and leadership budgets in half.

Prohibits any grandfathering out of the new salary requirements and benefit packages for current members.

Cuts member salaries an additional 10 percent for every five business days Congress exceeds 60 business days in a session.

http://timjohnson.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=29&sectiontree=7,29&itemid=501

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Part time congress sounds wonderful, is wonderful, but is not going to happen.
POTUS has no such power over the Legislature. Purely political pandering.

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 9:41 PM

I basically agree with you, but an IL congressman just introduced a bill to exactly that. I wonder where he got that idea? At least talking about it makes them start thinking the right away about their jobs.

http://wjbc.com/johnson-pitches-plan-for-part-time-congress/

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM

Oops, workingclassartist beat me to it. good work.

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 9:49 PM

I like the voter feedback…alot

No more Media debates…Let Huckabee and Tim Scott do stuff like this.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:50 PM

That woman who’s husband is 60 and can’t find a job in 4 years….
What answer did she want to hear?

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Wow, all of these questioners are displeased.

Philly on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

We should take the word of our betters as gospel. Get with the program.:)

katy the mean old lady on January 14, 2012 at 9:16 PM

You can use Google Books. I posted the quote with a link.

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 9:42 PM

So monopolistic collusion between big business and government generating profits are acceptable profits? Its a large part of Obamacare.
Large Companies offered goodies to get on board at the expense of Doctors, citizens and small Companies.
When monopolies are allowed to exist they are more easily controlled and taken over by a socialist Government. Car companies and the govt deciding which dealers close and which stay open is another example. Free and fair markets in a capitalistic system generate profits that are rewards of a need being met.
Gamesmanship and using government regulatory schemes distorts the precess and gives capitalism a bad name, Obamacare, fannie and Freddie, Govt motors, Solyndra, and a myriad of other government sponsored entities are not capitalism as it should operate rather examples of a perversion of it, Crony Capiltalism.

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Fundamental Reform of the Legislative Branch

* Establish a part-time, Citizen Congress, cutting congressional pay in half and allowing them to hold jobs in their states and communities.
* Slash congressional staff budgets and force lawmakers to do more of their own work.
* Criminalize insider trading by members of Congress.
* Amend the Freedom of Information Act to make it apply to Congress and the White House.

http://www.rickperry.org/uproot-and-overhaul-washington-html/

Perry want to expand FOIA and make all levels GOVT. more transparent and accountable to voters.

He did this in Texas. Texas and Tennessee score a 96% and top the states.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:54 PM

“Newt Gingrich has a proposal for freezing the budget at the 1983 level. It’s a tempting idea except that it would cripple our defense program.”

The Reagan Diaries, p. 123

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Does not sound as if he is upset with Gingrich. The only problem he has with it is that he wants to increase military spending and cannot figure out how to exempt military spending without every other power group working and getting their exemptions and making it meaningless. Remember, Newt was young and green back then and he was coming up with this level of conservative idea, long before conservatism came back in vogue.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Better Huckabee Forum than the last one.

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Not that I don’t trust you but I have the book and checked, good job.

KBird on January 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

That woman who’s husband is 60 and can’t find a job in 4 years….
What answer did she want to hear?

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

She wanted Santorum to describe in detail what kind of work a 60-year-old can get and how he would go about making those changes, because manufacturing jobs are difficult to acquire for people their age.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

That woman who’s husband is 60 and can’t find a job in 4 years….
What answer did she want to hear?

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Progressive feel good stuff that cannot work.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I like Tim Scott !

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I hope South Carolinians vote about jobs cause Perry has the best record and plans to do that.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I wish Dr. Frankenstein could piece together Romney’s looks, Gingrich’s encyclopedic mind, Santorum’s earnestness, Paul’s populism, and Perry’s jocularity to make Perfect Candidate 6.7

Hiawatha Ootah Huntsman doesn’t add much to the mix; I just don’t know how to quit him…

In other news, looks like Tim Tebow could use a little Touchdown Jesus.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

No more Media debates…Let Huckabee and Tim Scott do stuff like this.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:50 PM

Another thing that made this experience better than most. Ron Paul wasn’t there, so you didn’t have his supporters causing a ruckus in the audience as they’ve been known to do in the past.

Flora Duh on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

That woman who’s husband is 60 and can’t find a job in 4 years….
What answer did she want to hear?

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

She wanted Santorum to describe in detail what kind of work a 60-year-old can get and how he would go about making those changes, because manufacturing jobs are difficult to acquire for people their age.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

Companies aren’t hiring folks 50 and over…Obamacare

That’s why.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 9:58 PM

Something mighty fishy about Newt and all those terrible BOOO’s

Can’t anyone be honest anymore?

Maybe 12-21-12 really IS it.

golfmann on January 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Wow, all of these questioners are displeased.

Philly on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

I don’t know what the guy was thinkin Perry should say to him about manufacturing…he laid it out pretty specifically.

That’s what he did in Texas…worked with the legislature to create the tax incentives, regulations,skilled workforce and tort reform.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 10:02 PM

Something mighty fishy about Newt and all those terrible BOOO’s

Can’t anyone be honest anymore?

Maybe 12-21-12 really IS it.

golfmann on January 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM

Fox edited them out.

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

Does not sound as if he is upset with Gingrich.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

It disproves Newt’s claim that he worked with Reagan. Reagan barely noticed him.

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM

So monopolistic collusion between big business and government generating profits are acceptable profits? Its a large part of Obamacare.
Large Companies offered goodies to get on board at the expense of Doctors, citizens and small Companies.
When monopolies are allowed to exist they are more easily controlled and taken over by a socialist Government. Car companies and the govt deciding which dealers close and which stay open is another example. Free and fair markets in a capitalistic system generate profits that are rewards of a need being met.
Gamesmanship and using government regulatory schemes distorts the precess and gives capitalism a bad name, Obamacare, fannie and Freddie, Govt motors, Solyndra, and a myriad of other government sponsored entities are not capitalism as it should operate rather examples of a perversion of it, Crony Capiltalism.

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 9:53 PM

When government becomes a partner, it is no longer free market capitalism. You are correct. I would have let GM fail. Fannie and Freddy is an abomination. Obamacare will be a similar abomination. Unfortunately, Newt Gingrich isn’t attacking any of those. He was a Fanny/Freddy lobbyist. He was a lobbyist for the health care industry. Yet he is attacking Mitt Romney’s work in the private sector. Gingrich is no “true conservative.” Not even close.

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM

I like Tim Scott !

stenwin77 on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

I do too. I understand his forums with all the candidates were well done, though they weren’t televised. I much rather see him do these forums than those media ratings whores, and that includes Fox. They are almost as bad as the other networks. They deliberately stir up shit for the ratings.

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 10:06 PM

Hiawatha Ootah Huntsman doesn’t add much to the mix; I just don’t know how to quit him…

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 14, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Yeah, ’cause Huntsman doesn’t have any international/diplomatic experience that the others don’t, right?

Hate, hate, and more hate.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

She wanted Santorum to describe in detail what kind of work a 60-year-old can get and how he would go about making those changes, because manufacturing jobs are difficult to acquire for people their age.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

I am sure that being in the work force for 40 years, one must have acquired knowledge that can be valuable…
I know that I am in my mid 40′s but when I was out out of work for 16 months and sold my 401K recently, I consulted…
Still doing it…
It requires being ambitious…and a good talker…but it works.

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

basically agree with you, but an IL congressman just introduced a bill to exactly that. I wonder where he got that idea? At least talking about it makes them start thinking the right away about their jobs.

http://wjbc.com/johnson-pitches-plan-for-part-time-congress/

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 9:48 PM

If Texas the 13th largest economy can run like that the US can run like that.

In Texas they get to business and get business done…Not a lot of drama queen stuff unless the yellowdogs pull a hijack and run away. Perry sent the rangers after them to have a chat with em’.

It was a hoot.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Not that I don’t trust you but I have the book and checked, good job.

KBird on January 14, 2012 at 9:55 PM

Thank you!

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

It disproves Newt’s claim that he worked with Reagan. Reagan barely noticed him.

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Newt also said tonight that he worked with Reagan when he was Governor.

Oh and thanks for that tip on “google books”.

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Faux News was disingenuous with that clip of newt and the boos. One wants to say they did it just to drive traffic to Hucks very fine debate.
Fact is it was either scrubbed from Hucks presentation which is possible or even worse embellished on Faux News teaser which is infuriating.

Just the fact that Faux put out such a short clip of an obviously negative response to Newt, when in fact a very excellent answer was what occurred, even garnering generous applause, gives one pause as to the motivations of Faux News.
I have thought for weeks that the word went out to Faux that Romney is the guy and they will do all they can to prop him up.

Fox broadcast that clip to primetime viewers and probably a small fraction of that number watched the whole answer given the football game and the fact that its sat. night. Shame on a supposedly fair and balanced operation

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 10:08 PM

Yes, good point. I’d sure like to see it happen.

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

That woman who’s husband is 60 and can’t find a job in 4 years….
What answer did she want to hear?

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 9:51 PM

Progressive feel good stuff that cannot work.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 9:56 PM

That was a tough one. You lose your job at 60, you’re likely never going to work again. A voter like that is going to vote for the guy offering the most government goodies. How do you tell someone like that staring right at your face: :Sorry, lady. Your husband probably won’t find much of anything except perhaps a spot at Home Depot, but we’re talking here about policies over the long term that will turn this big ‘ole country all the way around and ensure prosperity for folks who are 12 years old right now.” I suppose you say that what is happening to her husband is the direct result of years and years of bad policy, over regulation, and big spending, and, unfortunately, it’s going to take years to fix it. She’ll still be voting for the government goodies guy, though.

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

I am sure that being in the work force for 40 years, one must have acquired knowledge that can be valuable…
I know that I am in my mid 40′s but when I was out out of work for 16 months and sold my 401K recently, I consulted…
Still doing it…
It requires being ambitious…and a good talker…but it works.

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Maybe that woman’s husband doesn’t possess any other skills than in manufacturing…?

I get what you’re saying, though; since Barry became President, I’ve been in and out of jobs 6 times. I guess it’s luck, since most employers I know would rather hire an experienced adult instead of youngster like myself.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

It disproves Newt’s claim that he worked with Reagan. Reagan barely noticed him.

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 10:04 PM

Not really. Voting for his policies and convincing others in the house to as well is working with Reagan. Giving Reagan advice is working with him, even if he does not take all of it or any of it. Got any thing that shows him trying to damage Reagan’s initiatives?

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Faux News was disingenuous with that clip of newt and the boos. One wants to say they did it just to drive traffic to Hucks very fine debate.
Fact is it was either scrubbed from Hucks presentation which is possible or even worse embellished on Faux News teaser which is infuriating.

Just the fact that Faux put out such a short clip of an obviously negative response to Newt, when in fact a very excellent answer was what occurred, even garnering generous applause, gives one pause as to the motivations of Faux News.
I have thought for weeks that the word went out to Faux that Romney is the guy and they will do all they can to prop him up.

Fox broadcast that clip to primetime viewers and probably a small fraction of that number watched the whole answer given the football game and the fact that its sat. night. Shame on a supposedly fair and balanced operation

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

“Faux News”? Really? Welcome to Media Matters. Sheesh. Buddy, if you really are some kind of conservative, you’ve got one network on the field. Just one. It might not be perfect, but it DID just broadcast a decent, honorable, and honest discussion with the Republican candidates. You won’t see that anywhere else on television. Going all Chrissy Matthews on the network because your fella isn’t doing so well in this race is just asinine. It makes you sound unhinged.

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Aizen 10:07, you must have a very sensitive hate detector!

Truizm on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Shame on a supposedly fair and balanced operation

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Though they are better than MSDNC, CNN and the alphabets, FOX lost their claim to “fair and balanced” a while ago when, to a certain extent, they fed into the “Governor Walker is a union-buster” mantra.

Flora Duh on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

yeah, it was a catch 22 question. If he offered actual ideas that would help her husband specifically, it would have to be progressive ideas that damage his conservative cred. Telling her, hey its a rough world out there, I hope you have a few kids, friends or local charities that can help you out until you can get social security early would probably make him to be about as warm and friendly as I am.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Congress was never designed to create a professional political class…It was designed as a citizen legislature.

Thomas Jefferson’s ideal president was a man of the people…a Yeoman Farmer Statesman.

That’s who Rick Perry is.

Son of a farmer. Served in the Military. Farmer Rancher. Legislator. Agr. Commissioner. First Republican Lt. Governor since Reconstruction and the longest serving Republican Governor in Texas History.

He can do for this country what he did for Texas.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 10:17 PM

Yet he is attacking Mitt Romney’s work in the private sector. Gingrich is no “true conservative.” Not even close.

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 10:05 PM

There are plenty of government rules and regulations involved in the private equity business. This is a shadowy manipulation of failing businesses, big money corporate buyouts and off selling of assets and equity, not always in the best interests of secured creditors, customers, or workers.
I understand its legal, but it stinks to high heaven and the Left has spent a whole year setting up the OWS class warfare schtick for just such an eventuality.
Obama and crew will trot out hundreds of laid off workers, disgruntled former owners and secured creditors that were injured by the private equity transfers rendering Mitt a member of the richest 1%.
It is incumbent upon him to have a damn good answer cause he will need one.

Sarah is standing up for Newts line of questioning even now. Mitt best have an answer the country is at stake.

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM

I get what you’re saying, though; since Barry became President, I’ve been in and out of jobs 6 times. I guess it’s luck, since most employers I know would rather hire an experienced adult instead of youngster like myself.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:12 PM

For me it was 3 jobs in 3 years…
After the first layoff in 2009, I started consulting…
When I got slow..I got a full time job…and then again…
But I still consulted…
I have learned that one needs a fall back plan…
But also what I learned was networking….friends, co-workers….
I guess I would need to walk in her husband’s shoes to understand why he hasn’t been able to find anything in 4 years…

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Fox edited them out.

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM

How can I know that they didn’t enhance it on any other clips?

Either way it’s dishonest and I call BS!

golfmann on January 14, 2012 at 10:20 PM

I could go with Santorum, Perry OR Newt.

I prefer Newt to get things done, Perry second…

NO Mitt! No Mitt light!

Oh and No Paul :)

golfmann on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Truizm on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Not really. I just don’t like seeing Huntsman constantly getting bashed by almost every person here.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Not really. Voting for his policies and convincing others in the house to as well is working with Reagan. Giving Reagan advice is working with him, even if he does not take all of it or any of it. Got any thing that shows him trying to damage Reagan’s initiatives?

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

Nobody says that Gingrich wanted to damage Reagan. He just wasn’t as close to him as he claims. Reagan mentioned him once.

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

I did not find anything in Texas for a year. Right now the job I am at goes well for a few months and then runs out of work and I am getting 10 hour weeks, or even less. I am actually now trying to get a contract job secondary to my current job and plan to work part time at my full time job and full time at the contract until things get back to where they should be.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

Though they are better than MSDNC, CNN and the alphabets, FOX lost their claim to “fair and balanced” a while ago when, to a certain extent, they fed into the “Governor Walker is a union-buster” mantra.

Flora Duh on January 14, 2012 at 10:16 PM

I have no idea where you get that. I watch Fox all day long and I sure didn’t get that. Give an example please!

KBird on January 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Hate, hate, and more hate.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:07 PM

Ridiculous. Hating people you don’t know is a pathology. Therefore, I don’t hate of the candidates. I merely find Mr. Huntsman inconsequential (viability-wise) at this point in the race.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Nobody says that Gingrich wanted to damage Reagan. He just wasn’t as close to him as he claims. Reagan mentioned him once.

Gelsomina on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

I think you are reading way too deeply into the statement. I never at all thought he was holding up in backrooms wheeling and dealing with Reagan or Clinton.

Maybe a few others can pipe in and answer how close they thought Newts argument about working with Reagan and Clinton was meant to ague he was to them?

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Yea perhaps calling them Faux is over the line. I just hate when ANY media does that stuff and as far as my guy? Its whoever survives.
Survival of the fittest. Steel sharpens steel and ultimately the voters will decide.
They decided on a very poor excuse of a human last time and I fear they could do the same again if all are not fully and completely vetted.
Obamas thugs will find dirt, make up dirt, shovel dirt and try to bury our candidate in dirt. Its all hes’ got.
Ok Buddy?

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Wow! Perry was great in explaining what he would do to get this great country back on the right track. I pray these people wake up and realize he is what we need before it is too late.

Tn.-Vol on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Not really. Voting for his policies and convincing others in the house to as well is working with Reagan. Giving Reagan advice is working with him, even if he does not take all of it or any of it. Got any thing that shows him trying to damage Reagan’s initiatives?

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:14 PM

plus the tens of thousands of inside stuff to get it done you will never read about. Clinton too. I heard him mentioning Clinton what 25 times now? (that’s for the benefit of the snarc above)

golfmann on January 14, 2012 at 10:25 PM

For me it was 3 jobs in 3 years…
After the first layoff in 2009, I started consulting…
When I got slow..I got a full time job…and then again…
But I still consulted…
I have learned that one needs a fall back plan…
But also what I learned was networking….friends, co-workers….
I guess I would need to walk in her husband’s shoes to understand why he hasn’t been able to find anything in 4 years…

Electrongod on January 14, 2012 at 10:19 PM

It also depends on your location. The woman’s husband surely had problems finding work in State like SC with such a high unemployment rate, which is much higher than in CO, where I live, for example.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:26 PM

golfmann on January 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM

My link to the live stream cut out right after Newt came in and I missed it in the process of trying to find another link. I guess I’ll stay up late and watch the replay. I’m wondering what exactly the question was, that he would answer it in that way.

Shay on January 14, 2012 at 10:27 PM

Wow! Perry was great in explaining what he would do to get this great country back on the right track. I pray these people wake up and realize he is what we need before it is too late.

Tn.-Vol on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

I got two problems with Perry. I could live it came down to just one.

First is that he seems to love illegal immigrants more than American citizens in general.
Second is that he really seems to have a hard time sticking to his most conservative arguments once challenged. Remember Ponzi scheme Social Security? It is hard to remember, but it really did happen, lasted a couple days at most.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:28 PM

Ridiculous. Hating people you don’t know is a pathology. Therefore, I don’t hate of the candidates. I merely find Mr. Huntsman inconsequential (viability-wise) at this point in the race.

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

Yet, you find Ron Paul more viable than Huntsman?

At least you had something nice to say about Paul (populism), who’s usually considered as an enemy to some of the others around here. But Huntsman? Gets no praise for anything, despite being 50x more conservative than Romney.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM

Yes, good point. I’d sure like to see it happen.

juliesa on January 14, 2012 at 10:10 PM

Ask yourself this…In Texas Legislators are paid $600.00/mo while they are in session and have an ave staff of maybe 2 people. They do their business and get business done and go back home to their professions and neighbors.

In the senate ave. staff of 32 House ave. staff of 18. for each member.

Congressional staff salaries by member
http://www.legistorm.com/browse_by_representative.html

“Last year, Congress appropriated for itself more than $5.8 billion, or nearly $11 million per lawmaker. The legislative branch has more than doubled its own budget since 2000, despite the fact that the number of senators and congressmen has remained exactly the same for more than 50 years. But while Congress more than doubled its own budget, the median household income of those who fund the government increased by only 17.3 percent, from $42,148 in 2000 to $49,445 in 2010.11 At the same time, the incomes of American families were unable to even keep pace with inflation.

he U.S. does not need a full-time Congress that is more focused on increasing its perks instead of reducing spending. America needs a part-time, Citizen Congress – populated with those who choose to serve not for profit, or for the promise of a high-paying lobbyist job, but for the good of their communities, states, and the nation. Even with a 50 percent pay-cut, Congressional members would still make a significantly higher income than the average American.11 By changing the way Congress operates, and moving towards a part-time legislature, Congressman will have the freedom to live in their communities, engage their constituents, and truly speak for the people they represent. Rules preventing members of Congress from holding private sector jobs must also be repealed. – When lawmakers hold the same types of jobs as their constituents, they will gain a much greater understanding of how congressional laws impact the real world.

According to the Congressional Research Service, Congress employed more than 15,000 staffers as of 2009.13 In the Senate, the number of staff assigned to senators’ personal offices has more than doubled since 1977; the number of so-called “leadership staff” more than quadrupled over the same time period.14 As the number of staffers grows, so does congressional involvement in nearly every aspect of the American economy.

To be sure, congressional offices can provide vital help to those whose Social Security benefits or passport applications fell through the cracks due to the bureaucratic incompetence of federal agencies. But if the Founding Fathers managed to draft the Declaration of Independence, direct the American Revolution, and author the U.S. Constitution without the assistance of thousands of paid staffers, then current lawmakers can find a way to get through the day with fewer personal assistants.

http://www.rickperry.org/uproot-and-overhaul-washington-html/#part-time-citizen-congress

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Hating people you don’t know is a pathology

But is it really? I don’t know Obama and I’d get banned if I wrote here what I feel for him. Moochelle too.

Shay on January 14, 2012 at 10:30 PM

Maybe a few others can pipe in and answer how close they thought Newts argument about working with Reagan and Clinton was meant to ague he was to them?

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:24 PM

Read those books. Reagan is very generous in giving praise to the many he worked with over the years. Newt also said tonight that he worked with Reagan when he was Governor. I find that very hard to believe.

Newt is stretching the truth in order to score points. Ever wonder why Newt always goes from Reagan and then to Clinton, but never mentions his years working while Bush was President?

JPeterman on January 14, 2012 at 10:32 PM

ConcealedKerry on January 14, 2012 at 10:09 PM

“Faux News”? Really? Welcome to Media Matters. Sheesh. Buddy, if you really are some kind of conservative, you’ve got one network on the field. Just one. It might not be perfect, but it DID just broadcast a decent, honorable, and honest discussion with the Republican candidates. You won’t see that anywhere else on television. Going all Chrissy Matthews on the network because your fella isn’t doing so well in this race is just asinine. It makes you sound unhinged.

Rational Thought on January 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM

Amen to that!
Lots of “wolves in sheeps clothing” on this board lately.

redridinghood on January 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM

As an undecided voter, I learned a lot from this forum. I’ve learned that Jim Huntsman would really make a very good used car salesman, Mittens Romney is so well rehearsed because he’s had so much practice running for the office, Santorum looks a bit hefty in that sweater vest and should probably lose a couple of pounds, Newt is the frumpy history professor I yearned for many years ago in college, and Rick Perry is a loveable goofball.

Yep, still undecided.

NOMOBO on January 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM

I have no idea where you get that. I watch Fox all day long and I sure didn’t get that. Give an example please!

KBird on January 14, 2012 at 10:23 PM

It has been so long ago I can’t come up with specific instances, but I do remember Shep Smith and Geraldo pushing it. It’s no secret that FOX has been leaning more to the left lately.

Flora Duh on January 14, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I did not find anything in Texas for a year. Right now the job I am at goes well for a few months and then runs out of work and I am getting 10 hour weeks, or even less. I am actually now trying to get a contract job secondary to my current job and plan to work part time at my full time job and full time at the contract until things get back to where they should be.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 10:22 PM

There’s a lot of competition because so many people are moving here bu most people find work sooner than that.

I’m independent and construction is pikcking back up

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 10:37 PM

I see people are talking about Fox News. While it’s the only news network I watch, the Romneygasms are so blatant among many of the pundits, there.

Aizen on January 14, 2012 at 10:39 PM

Amen to that!
Lots of “wolves in sheeps clothing” on this board lately.

redridinghood on January 14, 2012 at 10:33 PM

Roger Ailes said the network was moving to the center after the Iowa Straw Poll.

workingclass artist on January 14, 2012 at 10:40 PM

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