CA poll: High-speed rail should be … derailed

posted at 12:00 pm on January 14, 2012 by Ed Morrissey

Governor Jerry Brown has insisted that he will go forward on the plan to sell billions of dollars of bonds to start the high-speed rail project that would eventually join San Francisco and Los Angeles, despite the fact that the estimated costs have tripled to $100 billion since voters first approved the project in 2008 — and that’s before ground even gets broken.  Californians will try to put a referendum on the ballot blocking the sale of bonds in the already debt-strapped Golden State.  How would such a measure fare?  According to a new Survey USA poll, it would derail Brown’s folly.

In a survey of 500 adults taken on Thursday, 53% say they want the sale of bonds stopped, and 51% believe the project will never be built at all.  Only 33% want it to move ahead, a very low figure especially for California, and especially for the sampling type of this survey.  General-population surveys, as opposed to registered or likely voter polls, tend to produce outcomes more favorable to liberal policies.

Of course, it’s hard to determine by the internal demos just what would be the liberal position if one goes just by the party affiliation demos.  It comes as no surprise that Republicans want the bond sales stopped by a margin of 71/19, but a plurality of Democrats also want a halt to the project, 46/41, as well as a plurality of independents at 48/39.  In fact, the only demographic that still wants the bond sales to take place is self-described liberals, 33/62.  Moderates are opposed 2-1 to the bond sales, 54/27.

Regionally, it’s a clean sweep.  Two of the three areas most impacted by the project, Central California and Greater LA, have solid majorities in opposition to bond sales (52/37 and 58/31, respectively).  The Bay Area’s respondents are in a statistical dead head, with opposition having a one-point edge, 43/42.  Every age demo has a majority opposed to the bond sales, and every ethnic demo has a majority or plurality opposed to it.

It probably doesn’t help that the route changed yet again this week to make the proposed route even longer and more circuitous (via Andrew Malcolm):

Planners of California’s high-speed rail project want to discard a more direct route from Los Angeles to Bakersfield over the Grapevine and continue development of a sweeping dogleg through Palmdale and Lancaster.

Though the option was ruled out in 2005, the Interstate 5-Grapevine corridor was revived for further study last May after state officials and some transportation experts thought it would save billions in construction costs and up to 12 minutes of travel time between Los Angeles and the train’s ultimate destination: the Bay Area.

But a new study by the California High Speed Rail Authority now indicates that the longer, more tunnel-heavy route that turns east from the Central Valley through the Tehachapi Mountains to the Antelope Valley is the better option.

Though the Grapevine route would be slightly less expensive, researchers said the $15-billion-plus Palmdale alignment would serve one of the fastest-growing areas in Los Angeles County, have fewer environmental effects and allow planners more flexibility in route selection through the mountains.

Yes, I’m just certain that the best way to fix a public works high-speed rail project that has ballooned in costs is to make decisions that add to the cost and make it less direct.  Here’s a better, less expensive way to serve one of the “fastest-growing areas in Los Angeles County”: build an airport.  Let’s say it would cost a billion dollars for a decent regional airport.  That would be 1/100th the cost of the high-speed rail system proposed (at least in the current estimate) and it would allow more than one operator to compete for the demand to take passengers from the Antelope Valley to San Francisco … and San Diego, and Sacramento, and Phoenix, and Lake Tahoe, and Las Vegas, and any number of other destinations.  Since airplanes don’t have to rely on fixed rail, especially a fixed rail that runs along the same course as one of the most potentially powerful faults in the continent, one facility can serve many destinations, just as LAX, Burbank, Ontario, Long Beach, San Francisco, San Jose, and San Luis Obispo do now.

Heck, even Bakersfield and Fresno — the two areas that the high-speed rail will connect first, more or less — have airports that serviced 111,000 and 570,000 commercial service boardings in 2008, respectively.  I guarantee that the number of people who want to move just between those two destinations on a train will be a fraction of a fraction of those amounts.

Californians have finally figured out that the $100 billion high-speed rail project is nothing but a public-works sinkhole that will financially cripple the state for no good reason other than to allow a few politicians a great photo op in front of the choo-choo.  If Brown persists in pushing the bond sales, perhaps Californians will finally start considering different options for their elected representatives than the fools who have pushed them well past the brink of fiscal disaster, and who now want to bury them in debt forever.


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“I’m sorry, sweetie”

Mark1971 on April 5, 2013 at 6:43 PM

Crisis over: Obama apologizes to California AG for saying that she’s good-looking

Funny how this happened right after Michelle Obama claimed she was a single working mother? Coincidence? I think not…

SWalker on April 5, 2013 at 6:44 PM

I’ve always wondered what Rob Lowe had to say about this.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM

This is why I love being a conservative. We can still call hot women hot. And what is it with liberals thinking if you compliment a woman on her looks it somehow voids any of their talents, intellect, etc?

ThePrez on April 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM

It is a sad day for America when even the President is cowedelected by the P.C. Police.

DeweyWins on April 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM

How odd that Rob Lowe thinks it’s sad that Bark is cowed by the PC police…. when has this so-called potus ever been concerned about PC?

What I’m reading in all of this is that Barf wishes he had chosen a better beard.

Cody1991 on April 5, 2013 at 6:46 PM

“Sorry….bad choice of words, hon, now go make me a sammich”.

tru2tx on April 5, 2013 at 6:46 PM

I think the White House doctor should check to see if he has testicles. If so they must be in Moochelle’s lock box.

cat-scratch on April 5, 2013 at 6:47 PM

$17 Trillion in debt…

90 Million out of Labor Force…

#Benghazi…

North Korea…

Tiger Beat – “I’m sorry.” (tee hee)

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2013 at 6:48 PM

I’m sure she was clean and articulate too.

SouthernRoots on April 5, 2013 at 6:51 PM

No need to apologize. She’s not that good looking anyway.

rickv404 on April 5, 2013 at 6:51 PM

And pay attention at the end here as Carney dances around the question of whether O’s remark was sexist.

Oh come on Allahpundit… EVERYBODY knows that when a gay man comments on how hot a woman looks it isn’t a sexist comment… Jay isn’t dancing, he’s genuinely flabbergasted that anyone could possibly not know that.

SWalker on April 5, 2013 at 6:52 PM

…he’s gay…so what?

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 6:52 PM

No need to apologize. She’s not that good looking anyway.

rickv404 on April 5, 2013 at 6:51 PM

…a six pack and a fat one…and I’d do her!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 6:54 PM

From Super-Power to Super-Gay … what a super joke.

M240H on April 5, 2013 at 6:55 PM

I heard he secretly called her “sugar tits”…lol

celt on April 5, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Awwww, the PR crew put those words in his mouth anyway.

WryTrvllr on April 5, 2013 at 6:55 PM

…he’s gay…so what?

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 6:52 PM

Really. As if no one ever noticed. And such a prissy, petulant one at that.

Cody1991 on April 5, 2013 at 6:58 PM

Non-partisan’s apology to Hot Air should come any moment now…

Chuck Schick on April 5, 2013 at 7:02 PM

When Obongo said “she’s beyootiful… just like the First Linebacker Lady” there was no doubt an apology would soon be forthcoming.

viking01 on April 5, 2013 at 7:09 PM

So … was Michelle’s slip about being a ‘single mother’ and Barrack’s lusty remark a glimpse into the Obamas’ personal lives, or a diversion snare for something bigger than the jobs numbers?
Words do mean something.

kregg on April 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I’m sorry if anyone was offended by my comments.

Now can I get to my next vacation already?

VengeanceIsMine on April 5, 2013 at 7:16 PM

Stop digging, you already reached the bottom…

ajacksonian on April 5, 2013 at 7:20 PM

So … was Michelle’s slip about being a ‘single mother’ and Barrack’s lusty remark a glimpse into the Obamas’ personal lives, or a diversion snare for something bigger than the jobs numbers?
Words do mean something.

kregg on April 5, 2013 at 7:15 PM

Moochie’s single mother comment was the truth that slipped out. Obama saying some female is attractive is to divert you from the truth that he likes SNAUSAGES!!!!!!!!!!!!

GhoulAid on April 5, 2013 at 7:22 PM

Barry is gay – he obviously thought that Harris was a pre-op trannie – he discovered that she is actually biologically female – he lost interest.

Pork-Chop on April 5, 2013 at 7:29 PM

From Super-Power to Super-Gay … what a super joke.

M240H on April 5, 2013 at 6:55 PM

Rome…

jimver on April 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM

PC will kill all.

Illegal Alien Invaders = Peripatetic Global Citizens

Islamic Terrorists = Nice people who follow their Prophet with all their heart

Conservatives = Domestic terrorists

Libertarians = Domestic terrorists who like to do dope

Capitalists = Greedy people who got rich by enslaving good people

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 7:39 PM

So, is that chick ugly now?

Schadenfreude on April 5, 2013 at 7:39 PM

SSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOO, this just raises the profile of the Progressive next-in-line to replace the aging Frisco gal MeinFeinStein?


And she might be hot, but if she’s a lib she’s an angry shrew underneath that veneer of beauty.

PappyD61 on April 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM

He only likes angry black woman with a pelosi soul

crosshugger on April 5, 2013 at 7:48 PM

Really?

I (and millions of other Americans) want to know —

where in the HE!! ARE THE JOBS???

What happened to “THE JOBS”?

And, where is the media on this? Asleep? Too busy counting rebounds (as if there are any)?

WHERE?

jersey taxpayer on April 5, 2013 at 7:55 PM

Rome…

jimver on April 5, 2013 at 7:31 PM

Wow. Did Rome become pansies?

Saying that someone is the best looking state AG has to be faint praise.

The pop culture (exemplified by Dennis Leary in the tome Why We Suck) loved Dear Leader’s candor about drugs, race relations and etc.

Now he is permitted to find only one woman attractive.

This is a really interesting development.

IlikedAUH2O on April 5, 2013 at 7:56 PM

Winner on the first post

cmsinaz on April 5, 2013 at 8:08 PM

Crisis over: Obama apologizes to California AG for saying that she’s good-looking

What? She’s not pretty? Is he implying that she’s ugly? That’s not very nice. What an insensitive bastige.

Oldnuke on April 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Yes, the comment was sexist. No, I don’t really care. Doesn’t affect the quality of my life one iota.

sage0925 on April 5, 2013 at 8:16 PM

I’ve always wondered what Rob Lowe had to say about this.

SparkPlug on April 5, 2013 at 6:45 PM

Lol…good one

nonpartisan on April 5, 2013 at 8:28 PM

…a six pack and a fat one…and I’d do her!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 6:54 PM

how chivalrous of you /s

nonpartisan on April 5, 2013 at 8:29 PM

nonpartisan on April 5, 2013 at 8:29 PM

…we know you can’t!

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 8:39 PM

What? She’s not pretty? Is he implying that she’s ugly? That’s not very nice. What an insensitive bastige.

Oldnuke on April 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

I have seen a number of photos of the Calif. AG. She reminds me of Kristin Powers in that she can look pretty hot or not so hot depanding on how she is made up. Personally I think Pam Bondi, the Florida AG, is hotter.

bw222 on April 5, 2013 at 8:41 PM

What? She’s not pretty? Is he implying that she’s ugly? That’s not very nice. What an insensitive bastige.

Oldnuke on April 5, 2013 at 8:10 PM

Tact is not Obama’s strong suit.

Heck it isn’t even his underwear.

ajacksonian on April 5, 2013 at 8:42 PM

…remember when old BM the ESPN announcer remarked how pretty Miss Alabama Katherine Webb was… the girlfriend of the quarterback…and the MSM went ballistic for days?
…but JugEars can JERK on a professional woman?

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 8:44 PM

Obama is so full of himself, this was sweet.

He should have known if they could make a big shot like Brent Musburger bow down, a sniveling worm like Obama had no chance.

Adjoran on April 5, 2013 at 8:47 PM

Non-partisan’s apology to Hot Air should come any moment now…

Chuck Schick on April 5, 2013 at 7:02 PM

…has to change his knee pads first…takes time

KOOLAID2 on April 5, 2013 at 8:55 PM

Dumb bast*ard

ultracon on April 5, 2013 at 9:51 PM

Interesting how Kamala Harris looks very much like Vera Baker…
did Mooch notice that?

ExpressoBold on April 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM

What the hell is he apologizing for? Had he said she is not that good looking then he would have something to apologize for.

tommer74 on April 5, 2013 at 11:09 PM

Freakin’ teleprompter.

joeeddie on April 5, 2013 at 11:42 PM

A perfectly harmless comment that’s completely overblown. AP should be on Obama’s side. Why do we have to change everything that’s natural, civil, and gracious in our society — including marriage only between one man and one woman (why are we even discussing this!!?? gay marriage is simply bizarre) — just because the let’s-change-everything-from-the-1950s crowd tells us to.

The only interesting question about Obama’s remark: would he have made it if she looked like one of Tiger Woods’s girlfriends?

bobs1196 on April 6, 2013 at 12:45 AM

Tiger Beat – “I’m sorry.” (tee hee)

Seven Percent Solution on April 5, 2013 at 6:48 PM

Exactly.

Kenosha Kid on April 6, 2013 at 12:54 AM

It is a sad day for America when even the President is cowed by the P.C. Police.

Unless his name is Bush.

Dr. ZhivBlago on April 6, 2013 at 7:00 AM

Of all the things Obama needs to apologize for….

Bevan on April 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM

Anyone remember that quaint word, mostly fallen into disuse, from the militant feminist PC playbook of the late 60′s…”objectification”?

Made me chuckle.

What goes around, “sweetie,” comes back around.

marybel on April 6, 2013 at 9:03 AM

Obama, vulgar and stupid, a genuine dumb ass. Therefore and still, a hero of the media and LittleLeftists in what ever moral & intellectual slum they may be found.

arand on April 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM

What a country. With all the problems in the world, this is what the MSM cares about.

celticdefender on April 6, 2013 at 10:16 AM

My take is that Obama’s comment shows his simmering, latent, racism and deep hatred of the evil, white Republicans! Pam Bondi, the AG of Florida is much more accomplished and by far better looking!

Marco on April 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

My take is that Obama’s comment shows his simmering, latent, racism and deep hatred of the evil, white Republicans! Pam Bondi, the AG of Florida is much more accomplished and by far better looking!

Marco on April 6, 2013 at 10:24 AM

…good catch!…Pam Bondi IS hot!

KOOLAID2 on April 6, 2013 at 11:10 AM

How could it be sexist when he’s gay?

He really just meant she was a handsome woman.

profitsbeard on April 7, 2013 at 2:20 AM