Breaking: Federal judge rejects Perry’s challenge to Virginia ballot law

posted at 4:37 pm on January 13, 2012 by Allahpundit

Gingrich, Santorum, and Huntsman failed to qualify for the ballot too, you’ll recall, so Perry’s loss is also their loss. Which means, unless this gets turned around on appeal, the Virginia primary ballot will consist of Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, and … that’s it. Huge news considering that, er, Romney and Paul will almost certainly be the only two candidates left in the race on March 6 anyway.

I said last month that I thought Perry had a real shot at success on the merits. The court actually agreed. There was just one problem:

In his opinion, Gibney says Perry, and the other candidates who joined the challenge, waited too long to bring the suit.

“They knew the rules in Virginia many months ago; the limitations on circulators affected them as soon as they began to circulate petitions,” he writes. “They plaintiffs could have challenged the Virginia law at that time. Instead, they waited until after the time to gather petitions had ended and they had lost the political battle to be on the ballot; then, on the eve of the printing of absentee ballots, they decided to challenge Virginia’s laws. In essence, they played the game, lost, and then complained that the rules were unfair.”

More from the Examiner:

Gibney agreed that it was unfair to ask campaigns to only use in-state [petition] circulators but noted that none of the candidates made it an issue until after the state deadline to submit petitions. He added it was likely they would have won an injunction allowing their campaigns to use out-of-state petitioners if they hadn’t waited until after the deadline to sue…

Gibney was concerned that the elections process would be thrown into disarray if he allowed the candidates onto the ballot, and that it was “kind of intrusive into state affairs” to dictate proper thresholds for making the ballot.

Yay, states’ rights! I have to say, I’m amazed that a federal court would use laches to defeat a claim that affects a constitutional right and which the judge admits is meritorious given that the ruling will bar millions of citizens from voting for their preferred candidate in a presidential primary. (There’s no write-in option under Virginia law, remember.) Yeah, fine, Perry and the rest are disorganized morons who should have challenged the ballot law sooner. How does that justify stiffing the entire Republican electorate in Virginia by letting an unconstitutional ballot requirement stand?

Exit question: How will the vote split between Romney and Paul on March 6? Most people seem to think Mitt will crush him by 30 or 40 points but I’m highly skeptical of that. Once Romney becomes the de facto nominee, which could happen by the end of this month, GOP voters who dislike him will be looking to cast a protest vote and reporters bored with covering a race whose conclusion is foregone will start touting Paul just to make things interesting. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if the margin is closer to 10-15 points than 30.

Update: A Twitter buddy adds a good point about my exit question. By the time March 6 rolls around and Romney’s nomination is a fait accompli, plenty of tepid Mitt supporters will feel safe in staying home. Paul’s supporters won’t. Another reason to think the race will be closer than you think.


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In essence, they played the game, lost, and then complained that the rules were unfair.”

They knew the rules … many months ago

“likely…would have won…if they hadn’t waited until after the deadline….”

It doesn’t matter what the sound of your last name is. That is the American way.

kunegetikos on January 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Unfortunately Meaty if Paul and Romney are the only candidates standing I dont see how Romney doesnt have enough delegates to win.

The brokered convention only really happens when you get 3 to 5 candidates spliting the delegate vote. What happens is those with other delegates (Like Perry or Huntsman or Santorum) throw their delegates behind one of the major candidates.

If it is down to Paul and Romney I cant see them throwing their delegates behind Paul. Which means the paulies will scream bloody murder if a coalition of candidates back Romney over their guy.

William Amos on January 13, 2012 at 5:07 PM

I’m under no illusion that a brokered convention is likely. I am not ready to surrender to moderation, though.

MeatHeadinCA on January 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Yes, but AP seems to have a special sort of loathing for Mitt Romney that, even while he has other candidates in the woodshed, he likes to continuously revisit.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:05 PM

If Romney wins and governs as a fiscal and national security conservative, I’m sure AP will come around.

Kataklysmic on January 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM

And Perry would win them.

workingclass artist on January 13, 2012 at 5:08 PM

I don’t know about that, I recall a poll that had Cain beating Perry in Texas, that was a while ago, but pretty remarkable nonetheless.

Rebar on January 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The race is now down to Romney and Paul. May the best person win!

As a Romney supporter, I will admit that Ron Paul is a worthy opponent. The others (like Newt, Perry, etc.)… not so much.

bluegill on January 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM

Allahpundit on January 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM

It’s less this one thing than it is a combination of all the other whining, sniping and provoking for some attack on Mitt Romney from the comments section leading up to this question in which you try to take a question with a rather obvious answer, like you’ve said, Romney wins obviously, and try to twist it into something it’s not. Interesting.

It’s an interesting question in the same way the question ‘who’s going to win New Hampshire’ was an interesting question. The only way to make it even remotely interesting was to fire up and argue things like ‘if he doesn’t get above this percent of the vote then it doesn’t matter’. Really, it feels like you’re just trying to pull off a more subtle version of that formulation.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM

I really don’t understand the excitement for a brokered convention. If you’re a tea partier who wants an outside then, tough toenails, under a brokered convention the only thing you’re going to get is an insider who can appeal to the Powers That Be, fundraiser quickly and build up an organization on the fly. Really, there’s no Tea Party candidate out there right now that can do that, except maybe Sarah Palin, but then I doubt she even wants to run for the office anyway.

If you’re an insider but you’re getting tired of Romney, then whatever new guy who gets in through the brokered convention is just going to be unpopular with the Tea Party because they’ll view it as a backroom deal to nominate him, which it would be, quite probably depressing turnout.

So it’s literally a lose, lose situation for us.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM

Now you’ve done it. You brought up Sarah Palin! We’ll only know what we get when we actually have a brokered convention, right? As a conservative, I see no downside to a brokered convention. I also realize it won’t happen – statistically speaking.

MeatHeadinCA on January 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Yeah for me choicing between Paul and Romney is like chosing between a rectal exam and an enema. Which is the lesser of two evils ?

William Amos on January 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM

Just say it. You talibangelicals hate Mormons so much you would rather have another four years of Obama.

borntoraisehogs on January 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM

eh!
“talibangelicals” vs “volture capitalists” :)

nathor on January 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Just say it. You talibangelicals hate Mormons so much you would rather have another four years of Obama.

borntoraisehogs on January 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM

These neologisms are getting out of hand.

squint on January 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

Romney vs. Paul is what the race will look like soon, barring something amazing happening. That’s the choice Republicans will have.
Allahpundit on January 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM

And if it won’t bet a political “Are you ready to rummmmbbbble!!!” moment, I don’t what is. It’ll be interesting and exciting to watch, major popcorn time.

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

William Amos on January 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM

At least an enema will clean you out at the same time.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:16 PM

That’s not what I’m doing. It’s a legitimate question I’ve thought about a lot: What will the race look like once it’s Romney and Paul?

Allahpundit on January 13, 2012 at 4:56 PM

It’ll look like a proven Constitutional, limited government conservative candidate versus the status quo. What do you think it would look loke?

Dante on January 13, 2012 at 5:16 PM

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

*Shrugs* Eh, maybe it’s just me, but I really don’t see the interest in a contest where the winner is quite practically known from the get go.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

bluegill on January 13, 2012 at 4:51 PM

That idiotic charge you leveled against me in the other thread has been replied to here.

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

outre or incendiary…

Allahpundit on January 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM

lmao

kunegetikos on January 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Just say it. You talibangelicals hate Mormons so much you would rather have another four years of Obama.
borntoraisehogs on January 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM

These neologisms are getting out of hand.
squint on January 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

You neolo-talibanners would say that!

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Calling Rick Perry, Gloria Allred’s on the line.

Buttercup on January 13, 2012 at 5:18 PM

You can take your medicine now, or you can prolong the misery and delusion for a few more weeks.

Time to head to woodshed and get it over with boys and girls.

swamp_yankee on January 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Romney vs. Paul is what the race will look like soon, barring something amazing happening. That’s the choice Republicans will have.
Allahpundit on January 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM

i am pro-paul and i am not so optimistic yet.

nathor on January 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Say what you will about AP, and many do, but he sure knows how to pick the pictures for the posts. I laughed out loud when I saw the Perry snapshot. I wonder what the context was for that picture?

Dack Thrombosis on January 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

Well you did pretty much start off your post he replied to with ‘Just when I just about 100% towards throwing myself behind Romney, some guy on the internet posts something mean about another poster and his candidate, so I change my mind’. I can pretty easily see how he could construe that into what he posted. Admittedly he was being crude about it, but it isn’t exactly a leap of faith.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

The whole GOP, especially VA, needs to get its shit together before next election. This is no way to pick a president. VA has the most difficult ballot process of all the states as a way to protect incumbents and the status quo.

And it’s ludicrous that Democrats in two boutique states pick our nominee for us. The first primaries need to be rotated around to different states.

juliesa on January 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM

It only seems difficult to the incompetent ones. The real question is: Will Santorum and Huntsman join Gingrich and Perry in the drum circle of protest? No doubt evil corporations played a hand in all this…

cicerone on January 13, 2012 at 5:20 PM

It’ll look like a proven Constitutional, limited government conservative candidate versus the status quo. What do you think it would look loke?

Dante on January 13, 2012 at 5:16 PM

Conspiracy nut and foreign policy wack-a-doodle vs. successful businessman

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 13, 2012 at 5:20 PM

Allahpundit on January 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM

1) You’re stirring the pot. You’re trying to create drama from a situation that should have absolutely no drama in it.

2) You already know the winner, so you shouldn’t ask about the outcomes. Just as Iowa demonstrates, Mitt Romney is always the dominant player in the field.

3) You hate Romney and are trying to push other candidates (namely Ron Paul) on us.

Did I miss anything?

MeatHeadinCA on January 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I just went back and reread the ‘exit question’, and I can’t discern any provocation. On the other hand, I wasn’t planning on voting for Mitt in the primary. Maybe that has something to do with it.

listens2glenn on January 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM

As for the topic of this thread, if Speaker Gingrich’s and Governor Perry’s campaign managers weren’t on top of things enough to make sure they got on the VA ballot, they’ll have to live with the mistake.

Going to court to get an exception sounds too much like a tactic the left uses when they don’t like the outcome of something.

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM

borntoraisehogs on January 13, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Hey Jethro, does one have to wallow in the hawg chit to raise hawgs?

they lie on January 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 4:48 PM

WHAT?!! Adding a provocative(?) question to seed comments and discussion? In the comments section?!! Whoa….that’s just CRAZY! ;-)

hoosierma on January 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 5:15 PM

*Shrugs* Eh, maybe it’s just me, but I really don’t see the interest in a contest where the winner is quite practically known from the get go.
WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:17 PM

If nothing else, it breaks up the scenery on a long ride. And, at the risk of sounding like Comic Book Guy, as “Captain Picard” once observed “Sometimes you just have to bow to the absurd”.

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 5:23 PM

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:19 PM

I don’t believe my comment was directed towards you, was it?

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM

its unamerican to let americans enemies influence your vote in any form.

nathor on January 13, 2012 at 5:05 PM

You just damned W’s voters.

Name one bill he passed, that increased liberty, addressed fiscal issues, or brought the government closer to it’s constitutional duties.

You can’t, because in 30 years as a career politician he has accomplished nothing except porkbarrel $31 Billion for his district.

Rebar on January 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM

Oh, moving the goalposts now to limit your argument to bills passed. How juvenile and intellectually dishonest.

Dante on January 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM

hoosierma on January 13, 2012 at 5:22 PM

I can understand it in certain cases but like I said, combined with the recent streak of it, doing it with something this dull just doesn’t quite fit. When you know the result for certain, questions of margins kind of just start to fade from the big picture.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Gosh. One would think that Allahpundit was a Professional Blogger and the Noobies were…well, just Noobies.

kingsjester on January 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

As a primary voter in VA none if this is hypothetical to me. I’m glad rules still mean something in VA, even if they are poorly crafted. The remedy lies with the legislature not with some judge to kiss the boo-boos of Perry & co. and make everything alright. It is the candidates that have let down the voters of Virginia.

Exit question: What are the odds that Perry and Newt will still have active campaigns on super Tuesday?

vamoose on January 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Oh what, am I not allowed to stick up for someone else? Besides, the only thing I did was point out the string of logic he could’ve used. I didn’t say whether or not he was right, just where his thought could’ve come from.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM

This, however, is an agreeable point.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Somebody up there doesn’t like me.

Lily on January 13, 2012 at 5:08 PM

That’s one way to look at it. Another would be an honest examination and self-assessment of your beliefs, and asking yourself why you hold them.

Dante on January 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 5:23 PM

Ah, I suppose so. It’s just that I’d like it if the new scenery we’d try to break up the long ride with had a little more in it than one tree is all XD

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM

kingsjester on January 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Amazing, isn’t it?

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:28 PM

I think Comrade Newt and Comrade Perry did a fine job of that this week when they decided to pitch their tents in Zucotti Park.

JPeterman on January 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Mr. 25% Electability is splitting the GOP…just like Obama did to the democrats in 2008.

but hey…it’s his turn and he’s already spent a lot of money donating.

workingclass artist on January 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM

As scary as this sounds, I guess I’m voting for RON PAUL in my primary then.

makattak on January 13, 2012 at 4:39 PM

I’m not scared by clowns.

V7_Sport on January 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Exit question: What are the odds that Perry and Newt will still have active campaigns on super Tuesday?

vamoose on January 13, 2012 at 5:25 PM

Zip, zero, nada.

JPeterman on January 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM

listens2glenn on January 13, 2012 at 5:21 PM

My point kinda was that Allah was trying to make something interesting out of a question that came packaged with an answer, and who’s only mystery was in what was the ribbon that tied up the package made of. It’s not really interesting or mind boggling, it’s kinda trivial.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:30 PM

Conspiracy nut and foreign policy wack-a-doodlerealist vs. successful businessman
volture capitalist
E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 13, 2012 at 5:20 PM

smears are so easy!

nathor on January 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM

don’t know about that, I recall a poll that had Cain beating Perry in Texas, that was a while ago, but pretty remarkable nonetheless.

Rebar on January 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM

Perry would beat Mittens and Ron Paul.

Texans know about Dr. Kookoobananas

workingclass artist on January 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Mr. 25% Electability is splitting the GOP…just like Obama did to the democrats in 2008.

but hey…it’s his turn and he’s already spent a lot of money donating.

workingclass artist on January 13, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Yeah, because you know… not placing in NH or Iowa at all is what really qualifies someone for office…

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:30 PM

In other words, it’s the kinda question Karl Pilkington would get out of this situation. Utterly meaningless even in the context of the original question, and the answer of which is obvious to everyone but him.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Oh, moving the goalposts now to limit your argument to bills passed. How juvenile and intellectually dishonest.

Dante on January 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM

Moving the goalposts?

Bills passed is the only goalpost that matters.

To promote someone and claim they have a record of something, when they in fact have no record of it whatsoever – that is intellectually dishonest, and a flat out lie.

All Ron Paul has accomplished, is being one of the worst porkbarrelers in congressional history. That’s his record. All the other claims made on his behalf, are simply wish fulfillment and believing lies told by Paul, Lew Rockwell, and his other hangers on.

Rebar on January 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM

This, however, is an agreeable point.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:27 PM

One that I have made here before. But you only manage to remember the ones where I have in your words, “ripped on”, Governor Romney.

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Swag!

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

Allahpundit on January 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM
1) You’re stirring the pot. You’re trying to create drama from a situation that should have absolutely no drama in it.

2) You already know the winner, so you shouldn’t ask about the outcomes. Just as Iowa demonstrates, Mitt Romney is always the dominant player in the field.

3) You hate Romney and are trying to push other candidates (namely Ron Paul) on us.

Did I miss anything?

MeatHeadinCA on January 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I don’t think Allah is pushing Paul, he’s just following logic to it’s natural outcomes how angry will Virginia primary voters be when March 6th rolls and around and the only offering on their plate is Mitt Romney or Ron Paul.

A better exit question would be, How did Gary Johnson know where the sweet spot was going to be in regards to the American electorate LOL!

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

priceless :-)

jimver on January 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Newt and Perry can get people to turn out and vote them… except in Iowa and NH….

They will save us from Mitt!!

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM

You’ll have to forgive me if I’m made skeptical by your sincerity when your most recent re-introduction to my memory is where you bait out being thiiiiiiiiis close to supporting a candidate, before someone saying something mean makes you withdraw that consideration.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Frick, misplaced the emphasis. Ah well, general point still comes across.

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM

I dunno, seems to me that a lot of people in Virginia, having been used to candidates being perfectly able to get into their primaries before, would be more insulted by the candidates suing to get in rather than the two who made it in. Following that it’s just a natural cycle of Virginians picking who they prefer of the two.

As for Allah, he’s really not pushing anyone.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:38 PM

And to think it was just this morning that brainless Mr. heartless forgot again which 3 departments he tries to say he wants to close…

kunegetikos on January 13, 2012 at 5:38 PM

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:34 PM

Do me a favor will ya? You go back to ignoring me and I’ll continue to ignore you.

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Very low turn out. Last time it was the same thing. No one to vote for. VA Republican Party will be crying the blues because they can’t raise money. Then on top of that a loyalty oath. It’s like no election at all. Fertile ground for another party. They aren’t called the Stupid Party for notin’.

BetseyRoss on January 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM

They aren’t called the Stupid Party for notin’.

BetseyRoss on January 13, 2012 at 5:40 PM

Now, the GOP is the stupid party, but failing to get on the ballot is entirely due to the stupidity of the Gingrich and Perry campaigns.

Rebar on January 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Exit question: How will the vote split between Romney and Paul on March 6? Most people seem to think Mitt will crush him by 30 or 40 points but I’m highly skeptical of that. Once Romney becomes the de facto nominee, which could happen by the end of this month, GOP voters who dislike him will be looking to cast a protest vote…

Anyone looking to see what real comment bait looks like should spend an hour over at AoSH, where Ace is either a) having a complete nervous breakdown; b) destroying whatever reputation for knowledge and insight he might have built up over the years; or c) showing the world how a master blogger can generate 1000+ comments in less than 30 minutes.

Allah’s question is a good one. Despite Gingrich having had little, and now having no, chance to get on the ballot here, his SuperPac has been running snippets of the anti-Romney ads on the talk radio channel. The ad may be running elsewhere. Why? The ads won’t help Gingrich. Obviously, they are being run to do damage to Romney, period. Will the ads have the effect of throwing votes to Paul; of keeping people from voting at all; or just not matter. It will be interesting to see.

At the same time, my primary vote didn’t matter much in 2008, and I suspect it won’t matter much now. In 2008, McCain had the nomination sown up by vote time, so I asked for a Democrat ballot and voted for Hillary, my thought being that if McCain went down in the general, she would be a better President than Obama. I always vote, and will vote for Mitt in the general, but I may vote Paul in the primary as an anti-establishment protest. We’ll see.

Mr. Arkadin on January 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Perry would beat Mittens and Ron Paul.

Texans know about Dr. Kookoobananas

workingclass artist on January 13, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Dr. “Kookoobananas” is consistently humiliating perry. lol!

nathor on January 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Didn’t Sarah Palin say Mitt need to release his taxes? It’s not just Conservatives and Republicans that were listening to her on Hannity.

Mitt’s Tax Cheat Craig Crawford.

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Flora Duh on January 13, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Aw shucks, and we were making such great progress, what with you coming out challenging bluegill, me coming to his defense, you getting testy and then us agreeing on an issue. I’m sure that if we just put today’s earlier nastiness behind us we can come to be able to stand each other.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Mitt Romney’s really left his opponents little options all they can do is attack him now, and try and take him out in South Carolina.

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Mr. Arkadin on January 13, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Hmmm? Well now, that is interesting. Gingrich is still trying to throw Romney off his game in Virginia. Well, now that actually makes a bit of a difference. It actually reminds me of how McCain had his delegates in West Virginia throw their support to Huckabee to deny Romney a win.

Why, the Virginia contest might actually have a bit of meat to it after all.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:47 PM

And Perry would win them.
workingclass artist on January 13, 2012 at 5:08 PM
I don’t know about that, I recall a poll that had Cain beating Perry in Texas, that was a while ago, but pretty remarkable nonetheless.
Rebar on January 13, 2012 at 5:11 PM

The Texas Primary is 3 April, a month after Super Tuesday. However well Perry does or doesn’t do in his own state will be moot. If he continues to continue his long haul joy ride and rack up frequent flier miles with his taxpayer funded DPS entourage, he’ll be lucky to come in third in the Texas Primary behind Ron
Paul.

Fletch54 on January 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM

John Bolton already endorsed Romney, why are we still talking about these losers?

1punchWill on January 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM

Someone might want to snatch up the ad people who work for brainless Mr heartless. They are not bad.

kunegetikos on January 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I had a feeling this is how this would go..:)

Dire Straits on January 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Well, Santorum really isn’t doing much of the attacking. Then again, if the numbers from these polls do show Santorum trailing at about 5-6 points behind Gingrich in SC, that might change as Santorum tries to peel off conservatives from Gingrich (won’t be hard with the barrage Newt’s currently facing right now).

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM

So, someone should ask Noot-cry baby-Gincrich if he will be voting for Romney or Paul.

Falz on January 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM

How depressing …. for Allahpundit!

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 5:52 PM

So, someone should ask Noot-cry baby-Gincrich if he will be voting for Romney or Paul.

Falz on January 13, 2012 at 5:50 PM

I would pay a lot of money for someone to ask him that question LOL

JPeterman on January 13, 2012 at 5:55 PM

troyriser_gopftw on January 13, 2012 at 4:53 PM

In that case, why vote for Paul when the alternatives provide much more options.

gyrmnix on January 13, 2012 at 5:56 PM

The 2 latest national polls both have Mitt at 34%. His RCP average is now at 28.8%. Just sayin’

Mr. 75% Against is more like Mr. 70% and dropping faster than AP’s journalistic integrity.

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 5:57 PM

bluegill on January 13, 2012 at 5:12 PM

It’ll be interesting to see what happens once these also-rans finally drop out.

gyrmnix on January 13, 2012 at 5:58 PM

dropping faster than AP’s journalistic integrity.

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 5:57 PM

You too? Sigh

Kataklysmic on January 13, 2012 at 6:02 PM

Speaking of appeal, any chance SCOTUS will eventually get to rule on this, and if they do, what constitutional question might they address in the ruling?

novakyu on January 13, 2012 at 4:46 PM

No, and it won’t matter by then IMO

gatorboy on January 13, 2012 at 5:09 PM

I agree the chances are slim; there doesn’t seem to be some broad constitutional question they can address (and I’d imagine SCOTUS doesn’t really want to get down to nitty gritty details about how strict ballot access laws can be).

BUT, if they were going to make a ruling, it can be done in enough time—for example, Bush v. Gore was decided in a little more than a month from the November election. IF a similar timeline was followed here (doubt it; national significance is much smaller here), a decision can be rendered before end of February.

novakyu on January 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM

Kataklysmic on January 13, 2012 at 6:02 PM

I can understand that people read a lot more bias in to the usual columns than is usually intended or present. However, did you miss the column where AP told us that he was “so depressed” by the prospect of Mitt winning the nomination?

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 6:09 PM

As for Allah, he’s really not pushing anyone.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:38 PM

I agree.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM

It’s going to be hand to hand combat, it’s going to be trench warfare :)

If Mitt’s going to have a viable conservative rival, someones got to win the majority of the conservative vote in South Carolina. That’s not Santorum a Yankee with no military service or executive experience. Newt made the point, I think it was in an interview that Ron Paul, doesn’t share the same voter base with the other candidates so he’s off marching to the sound of his own drummer doesn’t effect the other’s base of voters :) That leaves Perry and Huntsman both Governors with executive experience. Perry has Military Service and is a southerner. Huntsman is running just slightly to the right of Romney, and he has a conservative record to run on, and he’s from the West so he doesn’t have the Yankee stigma in South Carolina GRIN. My recent picks have been Gov Perry, Gov Huntsman, and Former Speaker Gingrich. Gingrich being the dark horse. I dropped Newt when the messaging over Bain Capital attack started getting so muddled – the campaign shouldn’t be sending out mixed signals, it confuses the voters. Still I expect Newt to keep pounding away at Romney in South Carolina. Mitt should learn to duck, because at some point the kitchen sink is coming his way LOL!

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 6:12 PM

We’ll only know what we get when we actually have a brokered convention, right? As a conservative, I see no downside to a brokered convention. I also realize it won’t happen – statistically speaking.

MeatHeadinCA on January 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM

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The system of selecting nearly all the delegates by primary and caucuses (as opposed to the Democrats’ reserving 20% for party bosses and officeholders) democratically almost guarantees a brokered convention is impossible. Donors simply cannot be found to support candidates running third or worse through the long primary schedule, there is just no percentage in doing it. Experience proves this to be true.

So it boils down to two, and it requires flights of fancy to imagine they would run so close in delegates (given the number of winner-take-all primaries) as to make the few won by also rans early in the process enough to deny the winner a majority.

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You stated earlier you were against “moderation” – so who are you for? Certainly not Washington insiders and influence peddlers like Gingrich or Santorum, is it Perry? Sorry, great conservative governor, clearly not ready for the national stage. Romney is no less conservative than the other two.

Adjoran on January 13, 2012 at 6:12 PM

However, did you miss the column where AP told us that he was “so depressed” by the prospect of Mitt winning the nomination?

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 6:09 PM

Yeah, I saw it. I think he would probably be just as miserable with Newt, Paul, or Santorum on the verge of clinching the nomination though. Reading between the lines, he seemed to like Huntsman and Perry slightly more than the rest, but was plenty brutal to both. He tries pretty hard to be balanced imo. I’m sure you have seen people call him a Mittbot, etc. on occasion.

Kataklysmic on January 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM

That’s not Santorum a Yankee with no military service

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 6:12 PM

At eight years, he has more than anyone else in the race.

But Perry is more conservative, if he were ready for the national stage. He quite clearly is not.

Adjoran on January 13, 2012 at 6:14 PM

Kataklysmic on January 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Barring a relapse, I’ll lighten up on him :-)

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Dr Evil on January 13, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Yeah, the kitchen sink is coming, and I think Romney will do a good job of handling it myself.

As for your choices, eh, they aren’t mine but your logic behind them winning in SC is actually pretty good. Personally, after Perry followed Gingrich on the Bain stuff he was pretty much as down a candidate to me as Newt was.

As for Huntsman… I dunno. If Romney has no charisma, like the guy who just stands around and stares at people at a party, then I feel like Huntsman has negative charisma, like the guy who goes around actively insulting people and then wanting to hang out with them.

That’s just my feelings though. Your logic is pretty strong.

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Kataklysmic on January 13, 2012 at 6:13 PM

Yeah, but since the ‘Mittbot’ charge usually came from people in the same bed as angryed, I tended to ignore that and stuck with what I was feeling when it came to Allah (not dissimilar to what MJBrutus described, actually).

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 6:18 PM

Wow, Perry is getting ON. Yikes.

leftnomore on January 13, 2012 at 6:19 PM

leftnomore on January 13, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Do those vultures follow him every where he goes now?

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 6:21 PM

WealthofNations on January 13, 2012 at 6:18 PM

I don’t find the Mittbot or Mittwit or other pet names to be anything but snark or humor. That’s all good with me from any source :-)

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 6:24 PM

I had a feeling this is how this would go..:)

Dire Straits on January 13, 2012 at 5:49 PM

Funny thing is I just don’t even care anymore. I’ve lost my enthusiasm.

gophergirl on January 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM

John Bolton already endorsed Romney, why are we still talking about these losers?

1punchWill on January 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM

I didn’t know John Bolton endorsing Romney meant it’s all over.

I don’t know much about Bolton’s personal politics and I’m pretty sure most people don’t care about him one way or another.

Dr. Tesla on January 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM

What was free market about RomneyCare?

Romney doesn’t mind government intrusion into the free market when he’s in power.

Let’s not make him out as the Guardian of Free Markets simply because of the Bain Capital attacks.

Dr. Tesla on January 13, 2012 at 6:30 PM

What was free market about RomneyCare?

Dr. Tesla on January 13, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Relative to the alternative that MA would have put in place, it is not single payer.

MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 6:35 PM

This one angers me .
Get15000 : no names get checked . Get 10000 : all names get checked .
Wise up to croked practices !
Watch me write 5000 Mickey Mouse !

Lucano on January 13, 2012 at 6:41 PM

I will laugh when Ron Paul wins VA.

He has no chance to be nominated, why not protest vote?

Sekhmet on January 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM

I will laugh when Ron Paul wins VA.

He has no chance to be nominated, why not protest vote?

Sekhmet on January 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM

+1000

nathor on January 13, 2012 at 6:54 PM

dropping faster than AP’s journalistic integrity.
MJBrutus on January 13, 2012 at 5:57 PM

You too? Sigh
Kataklysmic on January 13, 2012 at 6:02 PM

More ammo, pronto! Those dang messengers just keep on a comin’!

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 6:59 PM

Funny thing is I just don’t even care anymore. I’ve lost my enthusiasm.

gophergirl on January 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM

Just like 2008..We have to take one for the team..:)

Dire Straits on January 13, 2012 at 7:00 PM

Moving the goalposts?

Bills passed is the only goalpost that matters.

To promote someone and claim they have a record of something, when they in fact have no record of it whatsoever – that is intellectually dishonest, and a flat out lie.

All Ron Paul has accomplished, is being one of the worst porkbarrelers in congressional history. That’s his record. All the other claims made on his behalf, are simply wish fulfillment and believing lies told by Paul, Lew Rockwell, and his other hangers on.

Rebar on January 13, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Yes, moving the goalposts, meaning changing your argument and its terms when it is challenged. The man has a voting record and a record of introducing legislation, which you are now deliberately ignoring because your argument had no merit. Saying “yes,” to government doesn’t protect our liberty; saying “no” does.

You are are immature and intellectually dishonest to say the man has no record.

Dante on January 13, 2012 at 7:02 PM

I will laugh when Ron Paul wins VA.
He has no chance to be nominated, why not protest vote?
Sekhmet on January 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Since he won’t win the nomination, why even bother casting a “protest vote”? Meaningless waste of time.

whatcat on January 13, 2012 at 7:03 PM

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