Report: Newt set to back off Bain attacks on Romney?

posted at 4:50 pm on January 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

ABC reported on this earlier, claiming that Gingrich was starting to take heat from his own donors about the Bain chatter, and now here’s Stephen Moore at the Journal claiming that Newt’s own advisors are getting uncomfortable. I can’t imagine why. Complaining about pressure from “extraordinarily wealthy institutions” is standard boilerplate in a GOP primary, no?

Coming soon, presumably: Newt starts a tent city in front of Romney HQ.

The buzz is getting stronger that GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich will pull back on his planned $3 million ad campaign that accuses rival Mitt Romney of “looting” companies and ruining workers’ lives when he headed Bain Capital.

I’m hearing from Gingrich insiders that several top campaign brass want the former speaker of the House to withdraw the 28 minute ad — which has been universally panned by conservative leaders in recent days. Even Mr. Gingrich himself is said to be having reservations. But other senior advisors of the Gingrich Super PAC, Winning Our Future, want to continue full speed ahead. They dismiss complaints that the ad should be withdrawn and say doing so would only help the Romney campaign…

Some Gingrich advisors want to change tactics and use the Super PAC money — mostly donated by Las Vegas casino hotel owner Sheldon Adelson — to run positive TV ads on Mr. Gingrich’s economic growth ideas or to criticize Mr. Romney on issues such as healthcare and gay marriage.

In theory, Gingrich has no say over whether that anti-Romney movie disappears or not. It’s his Super PAC that’s running it, not the campaign, and legally they’re not allowed to formally coordinate. He could issue a statement saying that he hopes they remove it, but that would be bizarre now that he’s a spent a solid week pushing the anti-Bain attack himself. Sounds like, rather than abandoning it entirely, he’s going to finesse it a bit by shifting from an argument about corporate looters or vultures or whatever to an argument about crony capitalism and taxpayer giveaways to the rich. Which, actually, is also unfair to Romney but at least is in sync with the party’s anti-bailout orthodoxy.

I actually hope he sticks with the Bain attacks, not because I agree with them — even Huckabee, who once sneered that Romney looks like the sort of guy who’d fire you, is defending him — but because I’m curious to see how receptive the GOP base is to them in South Carolina and beyond. As Matthew Dowd said a few days ago, this ain’t your daddy’s Republican electorate:

While many still say the Republican party’s base is that of Wall Street and corporate America and big business, the real base of the Republican Party has become much more about working class (especially white males) in rural and small town areas of the country. This is where there is a great appeal of Sarah Palin’s and Ron Paul’s populist rhetoric attacking big government and corporate corruption and Wall Street excess. This is where a big part of the anger of the Republican Party is and of the Tea Party movement.

If the attacks on Romney related to Bain are done effectively and consistently and wrapped in a broader argument questioning his authenticity, it could really hurt him as he leaves New Hampshire and heads to South Carolina and then Florida. Those two stops on the nominating road could be problematic on the Bain issue because of their large segments of this angry populist vote.

For our grandfathers or our fathers this anti-Wall Street messaging might have fallen on deaf ears, but in today’s Republican Party there is a tremendous appeal to attacking excesses of both big business and big government.

If “creative destruction” is now anathema to Republican voters, we should try to find that out sooner rather than later so that the party can move left and start pandering appropriately, yes? Wouldn’t be the first case where ideological dogma breaks down once the rubber meets the road: In theory, the GOP is also opposed to Great Society statism, but good luck convincing Republicans of that when you poll them about cutting Medicare. If there’s now bipartisan consensus at the grassroots level that private equity is bad, even for a company whose record is as impressive as Bain’s, then we need to know ASAP. Look on the bright side: If Newt’s strategy works, it’ll spare us from nominating Romney, leaving us instead with a nominee who, as Rush Limbaugh put it, increasingly sounds like Elizabeth Warren. Progress.

Here’s Giuliani on Fox this morning sounding very un-RINOish indeed.


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I got the Reagan quote here:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/01/ronald-reagan-weighs-in-on-bain-attacks.html

which is probably where the other poster got it.

What do you have to say about Reagan’s words?

I’d say he would not be in Romney’s corner AT ALL. We in the GOP had better stop empowering the thugs on wall street or we will be dead in the water and soon.

No one has a problem with success ON A LEVEL playing field. But come on !!!

THIS is how Reagan won; “I want our campaign to stand for Main Street, not Wall Street. I want us to stand for the worker, the shopkeeper, the entrepreneur, and the small businessman.” Reagan’s instincts were right on the mark. — not supporting the Bernie Madoffs of the world.

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Newt is whining again!!

Gingrich Campaign Threatens to Sue South Carolina TV Stations That Run Romney PAC Ad

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 7:01 PM

The judge better rule to Newt’s favor, or Newt is going to subpoena the judge and have him arrested.

haner on January 12, 2012 at 7:07 PM

In theory, Gingrich has no say over whether that anti-Romney movie disappears or not. It’s his Super PAC that’s running it, not the campaign, and legally they’re not allowed to formally coordinate.

Pious baloney.

rubberneck on January 12, 2012 at 7:07 PM

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Oh please! Bernie Madoff=Romney? Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

Buy Danish on January 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM

THIS is how Reagan won; “I want our campaign to stand for Main Street, not Wall Street. I want us to stand for the worker, the shopkeeper, the entrepreneur, and the small businessman.” Reagan’s instincts were right on the mark. — not supporting the Bernie Madoffs of the world.

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

are you talking about the same Reagan who gave amnesty to nearly 3 millions illegals and never once did anything to protect the borders? yeah, I thought so so…yeah, bulwark of conservatism indeed…

jimver on January 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Wait last night I was told this was simply about the bad politics…hmmm. So it is really about leftist type class warfare.

CW on January 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM

The judge better rule to Newt’s favor, or Newt is going to subpoena the judge and have him arrested.

haner on January 12, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Heh

CW on January 12, 2012 at 7:09 PM

I sure hope Newt’s going to continue needling Romney over Bain. Although a business tactic may be legal, it doesn’t make it right, and Romney doesn’t deserve the steel curtain of protection that the establishment’s trying to erect around him.

Stoic Patriot on January 12, 2012 at 7:10 PM

I sure hope Newt’s going to continue needling Romney over Bain. Although a business tactic may be legal, it doesn’t make it right, and Romney doesn’t deserve the steel curtain of protection that the establishment’s trying to erect around him.

Stoic Patriot on January 12, 2012 at 7:10 PM

really and what makes it right then, when you it’s right??…as long as it’s legal there’s nothing to see there, period, except for the ‘more catholic than the pope’ and the ‘holier than though’ crowd…

jimver on January 12, 2012 at 7:12 PM

First it was Perry’s sugardaddy getting cold feet, now it’s Newt’s sugardaddy’s turn:
Major Newt Gingrich backer backs off Bain attacks

whatcat on January 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM

THIS is how Reagan won; “I want our campaign to stand for Main Street, not Wall Street. I want us to stand for the worker, the shopkeeper, the entrepreneur, and the small businessman.”

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

oupsie, he forgot to mention the illegal immigrants too…and about 4 millions of them….

jimver on January 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

Are you keeping warm this evening in your Zucotti Park tent?

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 7:15 PM

First it was Perry’s sugardaddy getting cold feet, now it’s Newt’s sugardaddy’s turn:
Major Newt Gingrich backer backs off Bain attacks

whatcat on January 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM

need some popcorn :-)….

jimver on January 12, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Mitt Romney is a Capitalist like Bernie Madoff is Capitalist. Isn’t an attack on Bernie Madoff an attack on Capitalism.

CoolChange80 on January 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

no, the irony is that people like you borrowed with great ease marxist memes and talking points from the left (greedy capitalism, vulture capitalism, 99% vs 1%) and are happy to parade it around, while at the same time whining about it when you are being called on your digusting tactics…

jimver on January 12, 2012 at 6:51 PM

Hey, idiot, use the term all you want. Just don’t false accuse people of it.

If you object to being called a pedophile is it because you’re claiming that the word is off limits? Or is it because you object to being falsely accused???

The same with vulture capitalist.

blink on January 12, 2012 at 6:57 PM

Wow, you proved my point in a short fashion.

“people like you”, “idiot”
“pedophile???????????????????????????????????????”

How dare you?
We are done conversing.

Wow.Hot Air must not have moderators.

tonotisto on January 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Newt set to back off Bain attacks on Romney?

Too late, Newt and Rick have already been welcomed into the Democratic Party with open arms.

http://race42012.com/2012/01/12/dnc-2012-ad-dont-just-take-our-word-for-it/

I’m sure we will start to see signs in the OWS camps with pictures of Newt and Perry and Sarah Palin’s too since she endorsed Perry’s road down Saul Alinski speak.

Psst Newt/Perry/Palin, don’t forget to bring head lice shampoo on your visits with your new friends.

sheryl on January 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Who was the braniac that thought being anti-capitslism would be the ticket to win the gop nomination in the first place?

Ellis on January 12, 2012 at 7:18 PM

First it was Perry’s sugardaddy getting cold feet, now it’s Newt’s sugardaddy’s turn:
Major Newt Gingrich backer backs off Bain attacks

whatcat on January 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM

It’s not about appealing to the wealthy donors, it’s about taking Romney down among the voters. Will this Bain-tactic work?

I don’t think Romney will look quite so inevitable after SC. We will see. =)

IcedTea on January 12, 2012 at 7:20 PM

Because we held Newt’s feet to the fire, and still he didn’t stop until they were crisping. But expect it, Old Newt always returns.

anotherJoe on January 12, 2012 at 7:22 PM

Too late, Newt and Rick have already been welcomed into the Democratic Party with open arms.

http://race42012.com/2012/01/12/dnc-2012-ad-dont-just-take-our-word-for-it/

I’m sure we will start to see signs in the OWS camps with pictures of Newt and Perry and Sarah Palin’s too since she endorsed Perry’s road down Saul Alinski speak.

Psst Newt/Perry/Palin, don’t forget to bring head lice shampoo on your visits with your new friends.

sheryl on January 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Oh, and I’m sure if Perry were to win the nomination, the Democrats wouldn’t use Romney’s scare-mongering rhetoric on Social Security. Yup, Romney’s supporters are just like Romney – no principles.

IcedTea on January 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Bain is fair game! Deal with Romneybots. You would justify anything in the name of Romney. The republican shills that said it was an attack on Capitalism stayed silent while Newt Gingrich was lied about in Iowa and even more so stayed silent during Tucson when Sarah Palin was being attacked.

CoolChange80 on January 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM

Yup, Romney’s supporters are just like Romney – no principles.

IcedTea on January 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM

I’m not as nice as you, I would say souls rather than principles. They have principles, just not the ones we hold dear.

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 7:25 PM

First it was Perry’s sugardaddy getting cold feet, now it’s Newt’s sugardaddy’s turn:
Major Newt Gingrich backer backs off Bain attacks

whatcat on January 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Has a major donor ever asked for their cash back?

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 7:26 PM

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM

*facepalm*..

Dire Straits on January 12, 2012 at 7:26 PM

You ask where the money went and this is what happens.

boogaleesnots on January 12, 2012 at 7:28 PM

You think that there is anyone who could cause the Dems to give more money to Obama than Palin?

Sure, conservatives love her, but the dems, the dems would dig deep and send Obama everything they had, including the gold fillings from their own teeth to keep her from winning.

E L Frederick (Sniper One) on January 12, 2012 at 5:51 PM

Also, Palin on the Republican ticket would turn out the vote for Obama like nothing else could. I love Palin, but I’m glad she stayed out this time. The Republican nominee will have a better chance if Obama’s base is not motivated to vote.

talkingpoints on January 12, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Newt the Hoot is the bratty kid who throws the ball in the lake if he doesn’t get to bat first.

Maybe he should go commit adultery again for the good of the country, as he once claimed for a reason, and calm down.

Take Calista to Tiffany’s, sail the Greek Isles, get a hummer from a young blonde intern. But, just calm down.

If Rudy is miffed! Wowsa!

Horace on January 12, 2012 at 7:32 PM

“Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right”

WTF? One of the dumbest statements I have ever read on Hot Gas.

Maybe we should contract some of the Religious Police from Saudi Arabia. Keep an eye on these “not right” fellers.

Horace on January 12, 2012 at 7:36 PM

Newt and Perry will join hands and sing The Internationale while smashing a papier mache “Wall Street Vulture” pinata in South Carolina tomorrow at dawn.

profitsbeard on January 12, 2012 at 7:37 PM

I see that on Laura Ingraham’s show, she pointed out to Ol’ Rick that he was bashing Romney for taking money from “vulture” investment firms while Ol’ Rick hisself has taken $7 million from such firms since 2000.

Response by Rick Perry – “I don’t have a problem with that.”

Someone posted “…if Perry were to win the nomination…”

For what? President of Texas? Head Raccoon of El Paso? Grand Kingfish of the Mystic Knights of the Sea?

Horace on January 12, 2012 at 7:44 PM

First it was Perry’s sugardaddy getting cold feet, now it’s Newt’s sugardaddy’s turn:
Major Newt Gingrich backer backs off Bain attacks

whatcat on January 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM

Even without Adelson’s money. Newt vows to fight on. He is funding his campaign privately by selling his shares of two companies he owns : “Giant Space Mirror, Limited ” and “Motor-mouth, Unlimited”.

galtani on January 12, 2012 at 7:45 PM

Oh, and I’m sure if Perry were to win the nomination, the Democrats wouldn’t use Romney’s scare-mongering rhetoric on Social Security. Yup, Romney’s supporters are just like Romney – no principles.

IcedTea on January 12, 2012 at 7:23 PM

Romney was using Perry’s own book “Fed Up” and his own words to attack him on his views on SS.

Romney did the same thing when attacking Newt.

Now if that’s what Newt/Perry were doing that would be fine but they aren’t.

They are attacking a business sector in a free market system. ‘Vulture capaitalim’, ‘looting’

As Rudy said they are ignorant. I would add they are selling stupid hoping dolts who buy into it don’t figure it out.

sheryl on January 12, 2012 at 7:48 PM

I see that on Laura Ingraham’s show, she pointed out to Ol’ Rick that he was bashing Romney for taking money from “vulture” investment firms while Ol’ Rick hisself has taken $7 million from such firms since 2000.
Horace on January 12, 2012 at 7:44 PM

And they just played the audio clip on Fox.

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 7:49 PM

Gingrich and Perry’s rhetoric sound a lot closer to Chairman Mao than to Adam Smith and Milton Friedman:

“Our enemies are all those in league with imperialism – the warlords, the bureaucrats, the comprador class, the big Landlord class and the reactionary section of the intelligentsia attached to them. The leading force in our revolut!on is the industrial proletariat. Our closest friends are the entire semi-proletariat and petty bourgeoisie. As for the vacillating middle bourgeoisie, their right wing may become our enemy and their left wing may become our friend – but we must be constantly on our guard and not let them create confusion within our ranks.”
-Mao Zedong

haner on January 12, 2012 at 7:55 PM

When American’s Mayor is upset…then all Republicans should take notice. And Rudy is a liberal Republican.

Newt and Perry are finished. their attacks on capitalism is way over the top…embarrassing for the party and gives the Dems more fodder to attack Romney when he gets the nod in a couple of months.

Redford on January 12, 2012 at 7:56 PM

Horace on January 12, 2012 at 7:44 PM

And don’t forget Newt was on the Advisory Board of a private equity firm too. AB members vote on all issues and manage the firm’s actions from the investor perspective. So pathetic.

peachaeo on January 12, 2012 at 8:02 PM

The judge better rule to Newt’s favor, or Newt is going to subpoena the judge and have him arrested.

haner on January 12, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Newt should hire this lawyer. :P

Myron Falwell on January 12, 2012 at 8:03 PM

THISis what a flip flop really looks like.

Since about 25 days ago, Newt was AGAINST Bain, then for it, then against it, now gonna be for it, again.

Elizabetty on January 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

Since about 25 days ago, Newt was AGAINST Bain, then for it, then against it, now gonna be for it, again.

Elizabetty on January 12, 2012 at 8:09 PM

I dunno, in the last 25 seconds I have gone from for Bain, against Bain, for Bain and against Bain. Bain is a big subject with many widely dispersed aspects and some of them are good and some of them are bad. Do you think that a person should be able to argue that different aspect of the same thing are unequally valuable?

I buy an item, it use it for a few days and come to figure out its good parts and bad parts, some I am happy with some and do not like. Does that mean I am a flip flopper?

Now, maybe you can go back and back up that Newt was talking about the same aspects of Bain. Good luck.

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 8:17 PM

Wow! So for some it’s kind like, “Reagan said it, but didn’t really mean it.”

Meanwhile, on a different thread:

“Well, Reagan said ‘___________’…take that Commie!

LMAO

—————

Wow.Hot Air must not have moderators.

tonotisto on January 12, 2012 at 7:17 PM

Believe me, having moderators would be even worse. One bit of heresy and you’d be outta here.

You have to pretend you live in Manhattan…don’t look at anyone, and don’t speak directly to anyone you don’t know.

—————-

Bain did what they did to make a buck…that’s why they exist-to make money. But, that doesn’t mean that people have to like what they did, or how they did it. This isn’t an issue the GOP candidates should engage in…leave it for the Dems.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 12, 2012 at 8:27 PM

Michael Ramirez: The Republican Donner Party

Egfrow on January 12, 2012 at 8:28 PM

Believe me, having moderators would be even worse. One bit of heresy and you’d be outta here.

You have to pretend you live in Manhattan…don’t look at anyone, and don’t speak directly to anyone you don’t know.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 12, 2012 at 8:27 PM

LOL

Thanks for the laugh. It’s funny ’cause it’s true.

Yes, I stopped conversing with him/her.

tonotisto on January 12, 2012 at 8:33 PM

Is Romney making money off of the taxpayer bailouts?

On his financial disclosure statement filed last month, Romney reported owning between $250,001 and $500,000 in a mutual fund that invests in debt notes of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, among other government entities. Over the previous year, he had reported earning between $15,001 and $50,000 in interest from those investments.

In addition to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the fund also has investments in investment agreements with several banks that received federal bailout money, including Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, and JP Morgan.

http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2011/09/romney-pummels-profits-from-fannie-freddie/a2YN7UoFKXQHW1RzAiaW4J/index.html

momoftxmomof3 on January 12, 2012 at 5:38 PM

Wait a minit, whaaat? You mean Fannie & Freddie? THAT Fannie & Freddie?
Nawww.
Shouldn’t Mittens, um, maybe think about giving that money back? heh

sandollar_sa on January 12, 2012 at 8:44 PM

Bain did what they did to make a buck…that’s why they exist-to make money. But, that doesn’t mean that people have to like what they did, or how they did it. This isn’t an issue the GOP candidates should engage in…leave it for the Dems.

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 12, 2012 at 8:27 PM

The problem with that line of argument is that Romney has already been anointed already. Maybe he has been. I am not willing to give up today on the prospect that we can get someone better. I still support Newt and I support Santorum. I might even, might eventually decide to support Perry if he would just freaking stand up for SOMETHING and stay firm. The problem with ignoring this line of argument is that the rest of Romney’s past has been thoroughly vetted and is baked in the cake already. Maybe they could go after his Governorship more, but it has been hashed out for months already and Romney has decided to run on Bain as his positive and it is working since he is the only liberal in the race and there are several conservatives (maybe compromised but conservative) and Ron Paul. When do we start getting to closed primaries?

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 8:48 PM

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 7:06 PM
Are you keeping warm this evening in your Zucotti Park tent?

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 7:15 PM

Actually, I’m comfortable in my ocean front home in Tierra Verde, Fl, and tomorrow, I’ll drive one of my cars (hummm, shall I take the Mercedes CLK 350convertible, the Cayenne Turbo, the Cayenne S, or the 911- and NO, I’m NOT kidding) to the airport to fly to our lake front home in Tn.

My husband is staying here in FL to go fishing on our 40′ Rampage.

You see, I’m very comfortable being a FREE MARKET person and we have done very very well. We didn’t earn our money screwing people over either.

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 8:50 PM

It was a joke about Bernie Madoff because that’s the link Obama and the left will take… for sure.

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 8:52 PM

When do we start getting to closed primaries?

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 8:48 PM

I hate open primaries.

Each party should finance the actual balloting process in each state. If the state finances these elections, then I’d say non-party members have a right to vote in them. They should be for party members only!

Dr. ZhivBlago on January 12, 2012 at 9:06 PM

So, how would you like if if some supposed friend of yours ran an article in local paper claiming that you did?

blink on January 12, 2012 at 8:54 PM

Huh?

Gotta go. Have a plane to catch at 7 am

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 9:32 PM

Actually, I’m comfortable in my ocean front home in Tierra Verde, Fl, and tomorrow, I’ll drive one of my cars (hummm, shall I take the Mercedes CLK 350convertible, the Cayenne Turbo, the Cayenne S, or the 911- and NO, I’m NOT kidding) to the airport to fly to our lake front home in Tn.

My husband is staying here in FL to go fishing on our 40′ Rampage.

You see, I’m very comfortable being a FREE MARKET person and we have done very very well. We didn’t earn our money screwing people over either.

stenwin77 on January 12, 2012 at 8:50 PM

Well actually I was born and raised in Slovakia, under the thumb of communism and my family had nothing to offer me but love, support and the teaching of what real freedom is and supporting my choice to become an American citizen with their dollars.

Enjoy bragging about your materialistic life while I enjoy what is really important, free market enterprise and the things it offers.

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 9:53 PM

Ahhh, the politics of envy. Hey JPeterman why did you & your family migrate to America? Perhaps for the “American Dream”? Sorry, but the “American Dream” does not come from “hey you have too much, I should have some of that” If that’s what you want you probably should have relocated elsewhere…

ccrosby on January 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Really? Why say it then? Since when is being proud ofwhat you’ve accomplished a bad thing?

ccrosby on January 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

He wasn’t being envious. He was criticizing her for boasting about her wealth.

Sorry, but the “American Dream” does not come from “hey you have too much

It boggles the mind that you could suggest that this is what he was saying.

blink on January 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Thank you for figuring out what I was trying to say. My aunt and uncle escaped from Czechoslovakia in 1983 and were given asylum in the U.S. I came alone in 1996 and became a citizen in December of 2004. My brothers, sisters, mom, dad, grandmom are all still living in Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary, all enjoying their new freedom of capitalism. It has done them well.

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I think I will stand down for a bit on the Bain attacks. The evidence now is starting to show Romney is not as bad as I had imagined he was. Does not change my overall opinion of my position on him as president, as the leadership of a company certainly is reflected in the actions of those under him. But, now that we actually have people reporting facts instead of arguing that it is an attack on capitalism, I am going to wait a bit longer to get a better feel of the truth.

This was not swept under the rug, as Romney and his sycophants had hoped. If things go back to what they were earlier, I will be back demanding more answers and assuming things are as bad or worse than we thought!

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 11:31 PM

Blowhard

blink on January 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM

Child

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 11:41 PM

Well, this “child” has certainly schooled you about business over the past two days.

blink on January 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

You have done well and “gyphon” has taught him the difference between “democracy” and “republic” today. I think you may have helped with that too.

Oh yeah, and you have taught me much as well…..in a good way.

Thank you.

JPeterman on January 12, 2012 at 11:59 PM

Well, this “child” has certainly schooled you about business over the past two days.

blink on January 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM

No, nothing you argued had any merit. Also, nothing you said about the difference between Democracy and Republic was educational. I already knew the difference. Nice try. Child.

astonerii on January 13, 2012 at 12:10 AM

Ha ha. Everything I wrote about the Bain situation has turned out to be true.

Admit that you got sucked in by reporters trying to manipulate idiots like you and used you as their stooges.

blink on January 13, 2012 at 12:33 AM

/ignore, best activity for trolls.

astonerii on January 13, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Not a Romney supporter by a long shot. But Perry and Gingrich have placed themselves outside the party of Coolidge, Reagan, and Goldwater. They are beyond the pale.

AshleyTKing on January 13, 2012 at 1:29 AM

Bottom line= Newt Gingrich and Rick Perry are desperate losers. There’s no other way to say it.

I support Mitt Romney 100%! He is the one to beat Obama. I have nothing good to say about the contemptible Newt Gingrich or the rodeo clown Rick Perry.

bluegill on January 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM

Obama doesn’t want to ‘go there’ because we now know not only has Obama gotten a lot of money from bain but he was also advised by them during the Auto bailout, specifically regarding shutting down dealerships (firing people). As far as the rest of the attack against Bain, what’s the deal.

Companies are about to close – they will close anyway if Bain doesn’t come in to invest money. Bain comes in, uses investor money to save the business (and thus jobs). Once it is obvious it isn’t going to work, Bain closes down the business. Only the government keeps business that constantly lose money open – US Posrtal Service, Amtrack, etc…). If bain closes down and sells off the resources/equipment, that equipment goes to another business that uses it to expand, grow, and thus hires more people. Herman Cain said when he bought his Pizza Company, he had to close stores, re-structure, and then came back later stronger, and opened up even MORE stores.

Now compare that to Obama’s favorite group – Unions. Several years ago an airline was about to go under. They opened up their books to show the Stewardess, Maintenance, ground Crew, and Pilot Unions their financial status and what they could offer. The 3 unions could either take the deal and everyone keep their jobs or say ‘no’, the airline goes under, and everyone loses their jobs. The Stewardess and ground Crew Unions took the deal. the pilot union was greedy and refused, demanding even more – the airline went under and EVERYONE lost their jobs because of them/their greed! Noone ‘dog-piled’ on the Pilot Union for causing the loss of hundreds of jobs! No, Liberals blamed the airline.

And if Obama wants to hit Mitt on ‘bad investment’ practices resulting in lost jobs, Mitt can open up the Solyndra issue, in which Obama used Tax Payer Dollars to invest in a company partly owned by a big donor, guaranteed the donor HE would get his money back 1st if the company went under, people lost jobs, Americans lost MILLIONS, and in which Obama is STILL under investigation! Bring it!

easyt65 on January 13, 2012 at 8:37 AM

Alright, let’s learn a little about strategy here. Poll without the quotes “tax rich polls”. The Obama class warfare meme is winning and winning big. What is a politician and party to do? Nominate someone who, rightly or wrongly, can be tied into the Wall Street greed crowd and will be hammered from now until November if he is the nominee and get his head handed to him on a plate, or – gulp – actually attack the man on principles that don’t appear on the surface to be conservative and that may even feed the Obama meme?

To begin with, forget about the words “honest” and “politician” ever existing together in the same sentence unless it is the butt of a joke. So we deal with the facts on the ground. This is where Machiavelli can teach us a few things. Here is how you play this out. Newt does NOT back down, Perry does NOT back down and we dump Mitt as soon as possible. Then when our primary pick wins, take up tax reform for corporations and lower taxes on the public. When tax revenues start coming in, it’s mea culpa time. Yep, I used that line of attack to get the nomination, win the race, and implement policies that show a new generation that Regan was right and that tax revenue grows when you reduce taxes, jobs stay in America when you lower corporate tax rates, and you have a new generation of converts. It’s not black and white and those who treat it as such are just asking to get clobbered. Until the GOP and the GOP electorate begin to understand how to elect a conservative candidate then we will be stuck with left-of-center candidates running us further into debt at a slower pace, or with 4 more years of Obama. Am I the only one who understands this?

Look at it this way – when pols start busting on a candidate you know that candidate is probably the better candidate than the one they endorse. My God, DeMint is talking up Paul and practically endorsing Mitt. Mitt is the very physical representation and symbol that plays right into the Obama meme. With RomneyCare knocking ObamaCare off the table as a subject (Romney’s staff helped Obama and friends write the damn thing) and cap-and-trade also off the table (Obama’s science czar helped Mitt write MASS cap-and-trade, and Mitt looking like the evil corporate raider that fires people and sells off assets for personal gain (perception rules and this meme war is lost for now), voting for this guy to represent us while taking into account all of the above is something akin to suicide.

So NO. Newt should not back down.

gmerits on January 13, 2012 at 9:58 AM

Yes, Newt should stop using marxist type attacks on another R, and he should stop his lies.

blink on January 13, 2012 at 10:48 AM

I would like to have the quote that Newt used that was specifically Marxist. A link to the entire statement should be made available for such a nasty accusation. As you have said, you are not a troll, but someone here to educate us and all, I am sure you will be fully upfront and honest in this endeavor.

astonerii on January 14, 2012 at 12:58 PM

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