Quotes of the day

posted at 10:39 pm on January 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

“Senior military officials in Kabul and at the Pentagon confirmed that the video was authentic and that they had identified the Marines as members of the Third Battalion, Second Marines, which completed a tour of Afghanistan this fall before returning to its base at Camp Lejeune, N.C. The officials did not release the Marines’ names but said one wore a corporal’s uniform.

“Pentagon officials said the video had been made between March and September 2011, when the Marine battalion was stationed in Helmand Province, a strategic Taliban heartland and a center of the opium poppy trade. The officials said that they did not know the precise location shown in the video but that it had probably been made in the northern part of the province, where the battalion had been operating. Seven of the approximately 1,000 Marines in the battalion were killed during the seven-month deployment…

“The Taliban initially indicated that the video would not undermine the push toward talks, saying that they saw it as just more evidence of what they said was American brutality and arrogance.

“But later on Thursday, in an official statement, the Taliban dropped references to the talks and emphasized the brutality message. ‘We strongly condemn the inhuman act of wild American soldiers, as ever, and consider this act in contradiction with all human and ethical norms,’ the statement said.’”

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“Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta said he had viewed the video and considered it ‘utterly deplorable.’ He telephoned Afghan President Hamid Karzai and pledged a full investigation…

“Gen. James F. Amos, the commandant of the Marine Corps, said he had asked the Naval Criminal Investigative Service to ‘pull together a team of their very best agents and immediately assign them responsibility to thoroughly investigate every aspect of the filmed event.’ He also said he would assign a Marine general and a senior attorney to conduct a parallel inquiry.

“‘The institution of the Marine Corps will not rest until the allegations and the events surrounding them have been resolved,’ Amos said. ‘We remain fully committed to upholding the Geneva Convention, the Laws of War, and our own core values.’”

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“Western officials in Kabul, meanwhile, described the statement Mr. Karzai issued before the conversation as levelheaded and not inflammatory. In the past, Mr. Karzai has used similar incidents to stoke anti-Western sentiment in Afghanistan…

“In Afghanistan, far fewer people have televisions, or even electricity, meaning the latest images aren’t likely to spread widely. Accounts are likely to spread by word of mouth, though, and could fuel more violence against the coalition by Afghans who feel that the disrespect shown to the dead violates Islam. In Islam, the dead must be washed and their bodies buried within 24 hours.

“The Taliban themselves have a tainted record on that score. When they took over Kabul in 1996, they brutally killed Mohammad Najibullah, the deposed communist president who was seeking refuge at a U.N. compound in the city. They hung his castrated corpse and that of his brother from a traffic light on a busy street in Kabul for all to see, in violation of Islamic tradition. The Taliban in recent years frequently hung suspected government spies’ corpses from trees in areas they control…

“Desecrating the bodies of enemy combatants is a violation of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. The Marines involved could face a court-martial.”

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“[C]ombat stress is no excuse for the behavior, retired Col. Jack Jacobs, an NBC News analyst and a Medal of Honor recipient for his actions in the Vietnam War, told msnbc.com.

“‘I’ve been through combat and been stressed out, and I’ve been out of combat and been stressed out, and I don’t think it’s a reason or an excuse for this kind of behavior. They’ve received instruction on how to act and what to do before and after their deployment.’ Jacobs said. ‘These are just idiots who are poorly supervised and led … they proved they are idiots because they took pictures of it.’

“But for another veteran the video is not shocking at all.

“‘Many people in this country that worry far more about public relations and how we are perceived by the rest of the world are shocked at Marines urinating on Taliban,’ retired Army Sgt. Maj. Herb Freidman, an author and authority on psychological operations, told msnbc.com. ‘Why? They are murderers and terrorists that think nothing of blowing up soldiers, civilians, women and children. What have they done to deserve our respect? There are Marines being killed and maimed on a daily basis by these people. They are flying in from Muslim countries all over the world to get their crack at martyrdom. If some Marine that fought them in battle fair and square feels that he has the right to urinate on a defeated enemy, what is the problem? Hell, it could be worse…. It is a fight to the death, not some sort of gentlemanly duel with seconds and everyone very politely drinking a fine wine afterwards.’”

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“Alex Lemons, a former Marine sergeant who deployed to Iraq three times – including once as scout sniper – reflects on the video of four Marines urinating on the corpses of three dead Taliban in Afghanistan:…

“War is not a moral agent. ‘War is hell, shit happens and trophies get taken,’ is a copout from an irresponsible person. War doesn’t make anyone do anything because it is not a living thing…

“The Marine Corps doesn’t teach anyone to do this.

“Choices were made and they were not good ones. This is what maintains our moral high ground. It doesn’t matter if the Taliban cut heads off and videotape them.

“The whole point, as I was told since 2001, was not to become like them, or to be comparable to them.”

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“But the missing ingredient, so far, is Afghan outrage. There have yet to be protests, let alone violence — although it’s possible that will take time to build. Yet just this past spring, Afghans rioted in response to a preacher who burned Korans in Florida, which occurred shortly after photos surfaced of a rogue U.S. ‘kill team’ posing with their gruesome trophies. Twenty people died in those riots after protesters in Mazar-e-Sharif stormed a United Nations compound…

“Perhaps the outrage is taking longer to build than usual. Even so, that would amount to a tragic popular judgment on the war: Afghans — who’ve lived through 30 years of war with Russians, Americans, and rival Afghan factions — just might not be so surprised by a videotaped outrage anymore.”

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idiots…

equanimous on January 12, 2012 at 10:40 PM

Occupy Terrorists.

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

Post Miller Time.

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

I have no problem with the soldiers.

Piss on ‘em again, boys.

Tim Zank on January 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM

“Desecrating the bodies of enemy combatants is a violation of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. The Marines involved could face a court-martial.”

…and they should.

equanimous on January 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Its sad that I dont worry about Al Qaeda or the Taliban using this as propaganda but I worry about the American left doing it.

William Amos on January 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

I am sure we can use diplomacy with the Talybon to correct this…

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

So you can shoot them, bayonet them, smash their brains in, but don’t you dare pee on them!

sharrukin on January 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

I blame Barack.

SouthernGent on January 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

This is a non-scandal by armchair generals. Perhaps we could show the body parts of the 8-year-old girl that the Taliban rigged with a bomb and then blew her up when she got close to a police station.

I think we should have a National Piss on the Taliban Day.

NickDeringer on January 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

This is my rifle, this is my gun…

The Ugly American on January 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Waterboarding 2.0

John the Libertarian on January 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Why do we have to show respect to dead terrorists again?

Ronnie on January 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I guess they should have beheaded them, instead of peeing on their head.

KOOLAID2 on January 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

So you can shoot them, bayonet them, smash their brains in, but don’t you dare pee on them!

sharrukin on January 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

That about covers it…

Hay…has Gitmo been closed yet…..

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

I seem to remember, from eight years ago, that all things like this are the President’s fault. He sets the tone. Isn’t the that the message we heard?

RBMN on January 12, 2012 at 10:46 PM

This is my rifle, this is my gun…

The Ugly American on January 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

Great movie….

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

On a related note- CDC says 9 beers is binge drinking.

profitsbeard on January 12, 2012 at 10:47 PM

Seriously folks, can you think of anyone you’d rather pee on with maybe the exception of most democrats and their un-american progressive pals?

Tim Zank on January 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM

They are flying in from Muslim countries all over the world to get their crack at martyrdom murder.

Everything else he said was pretty spot on.

Personally, it was stupid and childish, and wrists should be slapped.

Laura in Maryland on January 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I’m sure glad Youtube wasn’t around when my dad-in-law got chewed out by a general for letting his amtank crew put the skulls of Japanese soldiers on the cleats of their tank

cozmo on January 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

They are murderers and terrorists that think nothing of blowing up soldiers, civilians, women and children. What have they done to deserve our respect?

Exactly…I have no problem with this…only with the dope who video’d it. The myth that Americans can occupy some moral highground when faced with an enemy who fights by no rules at all is, in itself, delusional. As a historican who has read numerous accounts of men in combat and American’s in combat, from WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam this should shock no one and simply reflects the grim realities of warfare…it is not for the faint of heart.

ironmarshal on January 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

A few numbskulls tarnish the Corps. Dumb, just dumb.

This is not representative of our great Marine Corps.
To all the wonderful men and women serving our country: my thanks and my prayers.

tonotisto on January 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

Zombie Jack Murtha:

“There was no firefight, there was no IED (improvised explosive device) that pissed on these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them, and they urinated on innocent civilians in hot piss.”

SlaveDog on January 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM

Hay…has Gitmo been closed yet…..

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:45 PM

Obama’s been killing so many of them that maybe it can be closed now. Not that I disagree with that strategy but it does seem a little hypocritical.

sharrukin on January 12, 2012 at 10:51 PM

During the Iran/Iraq war, the Iranians would have their own children roll across suspected mine fields to identify the mines.

What was this post about again?

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Down tinkles!

John the Libertarian on January 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

So is Obama going to be crucified for this the way Bush was for Abu Ghraib?

Is some international court going to want to try him? Arrest him when he leaves the country?

dukecitygirl on January 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Cameras should not be allowed unsupervised on any battlefield.

It was always a considered a security breach.

What idiot changed that fundamental rule?

profitsbeard on January 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

“The Marine Corps doesn’t teach anyone to do this.

Darn straight it doesn’t. Unfortunate, but like the rest of the population, the Corps is not immune from idiots. Filmed it and posted on the web? How did they ever pass the ASVAB test to get in the first place?

Not that I care about Taliban corpses, it’s just better if some things are left unknown. This makes the Corps look bad. Soon every Marine will have additional idiot proof training before deploying into harms way. Because of 5 idiots, a camera, and youtube account.

Hog Wild on January 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Waterboarding 2.0

John the Libertarian on January 12, 2012 at 10:44 PM

And Blame Barack!

TheAlamos on January 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

This is not representative of our great Marine Corps.

tonotisto on January 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

What was representative was what happened before hand….

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM

Seriously folks, can you think of anyone you’d rather pee on with maybe the exception of most democrats and their un-american progressive pals?

Tim Zank on January 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM

EXCELLENT!

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

No excuses. This was an idiotic thing to do. We are supposed to be the white hats, and the fact that some idiots did this will only give ammo to the “baby killer” crowd.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

No excuses. This was an idiotic thing to do. We are supposed to be the white hats, and the fact that some idiots did this will only give ammo to the “baby killer” crowd.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

They need a shower too.

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

PISSING ON THE TALIBAN: I’m sure that Greenwald has got his panties in a wad over this, but I have to say I can’t seem to work up any outrage. And I agree with this: “If Karzai delivers more moral lectures, have the president of the United States give a speech about Afghan sexual culture, including the treatment of young boys by older men, and the treatment of women by all Afghan men. And then suggest, ever so sweetly, that Karzais not really in a strong position to lecture us.”

My take, to quote the un-bearded Spock, is that it is easier for civilized men to act like barbarians than for barbarians to act like civilized men, and plenty of events in Afghanistan illustrate this.

Posted at 10:25 pm by Glenn Reynolds

Bruno Strozek on January 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Down tinkles!

John the Libertarian on January 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM

Hat tip….

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Abu Grahib happened on Bush’s watch, he was the commander in chief, so he had to take the bull from it. Now this is under Obama, so it’s Obama’s fault! Will the media make a giant thing out of this and blame O? No! Things are different when the POTUS is a dem.

carolt2 on January 12, 2012 at 10:56 PM

I served in Afghanistan in 2009. I know, firsthand, what Afgan Taliban do to little boys and women.

Marine Piss is too good for them. We should have firebombed that shithole in 2001.

spec_ops_mateo on January 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

What’s really stupid is that this has become some kind of international incident.

JellyToast on January 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

What’s really stupid is that this has become some kind of international incident.

JellyToast on January 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

And flying planes into buildings has become mute….

Times have changed…

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Marine- Army/Navy/Air Force- Piss is too good for them. We should have firebombed that shithole in 2001.

spec_ops_mateo on January 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

This.

profitsbeard on January 12, 2012 at 10:58 PM

Diluted 10:1 human urine makes excellent fertillizer. Helps them push up daisies…..er poppy

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

It’s at times like this that I refer to one of America’s greatest and beloved heroes George Patton without whom the world would be a much sadder darker place..

General Patton’s speech is famous for the line where he promises to grease our tank treads with the guts of our enemies. America loved him for it.

Now the Left’s heroes defecate on cop cops in squalid Obamavilles.

Progressive thy name is Puss.

HotAirian on January 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Surprised we can even win a war since YouTube came along.

……oh wait.

Who was dumber the soldiers for doing this or the doofus filming it and then posting it?

PappyD61 on January 12, 2012 at 10:59 PM

Oh! So what if they did! Get off this PC bs …. Remember Fallujah and the desecreation of bodies of those four contractors (RIP) …. So these Jarheads were a little po`d at the “frenemy” Can we blame them? …. They are Marines! First to fight! On Air, On Land and Sea! Semper Fi!

dawndawn on January 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

This is not representative of our great Marine Corps.

tonotisto on January 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM

What about this?

This is nothing new, and it isn’t something to get upset about.

sharrukin on January 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

Wait, so its ok to kill them, but pissing on them is too much? Really? Make ‘em peel potatoes for a weekend, if its so offensive.
Talk about speeding tickets at the Indy 500.

Its too bad no one gets outraged when our dead are desecrated. Maybe I’d take these protestors more seriously if they had the same level of outrage when it happens to us.

Iblis on January 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

You are just a moron like the guys who did this. Total garbage.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

No excuses. This was an idiotic thing to do. We are supposed to be the white hats, and the fact that some idiots did this will only give ammo to the “baby killer” crowd.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I vote we piss all over the baby killer crowd also.

Tim Zank on January 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

It shows poor discipline. The fact that they filmed themselves also indicates that they are idiots and that isn’t USMC.

lexhamfox on January 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

I have no problem with the Marine’s actions, I do, however, question their judgement about filming said actions…

thedevilinside on January 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

As a veteran, I do not find this conduct to be honorable.

On the other hand, the stress of combat and seeing friends killed can produce crappy behavior.

Give them one hell of a lecture and let it go.

Minor occurence. Hardly in the same category with using little girls as suicide bombers and beheading people on YouTube.

Horace on January 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

Marine Piss is too good for them.

spec_ops_mateo on January 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM

YES

John the Libertarian on January 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

When did America forget how to fight a war? I tell you a hint: it has to do with liberals.

spec_ops_mateo on January 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

I am tired of America being the door mat of the world. I propose we force all the armchair generals to watch video of the little girls who have no faces. They have no faces because the Taliban burned them off with acid because they had the audacity to go to school.

I propose we offer a service to the American people. For a small fee, you can send a bottle of urine, your or your dog’s, to our troops in Afghanistan and they will promise to dump it on the next pile of terrorists they kill.

NickDeringer on January 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

No excuses. This was an idiotic thing to do. We are supposed to be the white hats, and the fact that some idiots did this will only give ammo to the “baby killer” crowd

…and exactly what do the “white hats” do? They kill the enemy…this “scandal” doesn’t involve the mistreatment of civilians, no babies were harmed in the making of this video, just the enemies of our country…and as has been noted, they had already been shot and stabbed to death. This kneejerk PC reaction just plays into the hands of those who can’t differentiate between the real “blackhats”

ironmarshal on January 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Just recalling the captured USS Pueblo captain’s forced “confession”:
“We paean the DPRK (North Korea).”

whatcat on January 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

Real mature marines. It’s kinda like dancing like an idiot after a first down. With that said, they shouldn’t be court-martialed.

Pitchforker on January 12, 2012 at 11:03 PM

ryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM
You are just a moron like the guys who did this. Total garbage.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM

You’ll never win a war with one hand tied behind your back. Ask the redcoats.

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

“Granted, it’s not civil, acceptable, palace etiquette or, more important, US military doctrine to urinate on battle-killed enemy fighters — in this case, three dead Taliban in Afghanistan. But could we just move on?

That’ll be the day. Get set for Abu Ghraib 2, a national wallow in a wholly manufactured and inflated evil, the kind of masochistic frolic our extremely twisted elites, safe on their soundstages, find so extremely pleasurable. Get set for the exclusion of any and all context, either related to heat-of-battlefield conditions, battle fatigue, or Taliban depredations. We have met the enemy and he is us, again — and thank God. Or is that thank Allah?

What is most distressing is watching the ISAF PR machinery crank up. The desecration of Taliban bodies — as in already dead, according to ISAF’s own orders and assorted United Nations-NATO-focus-group preferences — is of immeasurably greater concern than even the murder of a 20-year-old Kentucky-born soldier while playing volleyball on a US-Afghan base in Afghanistan, shot in the head in cold blood last Sunday by an Afghan Army member — Kill No. 43 by Afghan security forces inside the wire over the past two years.

Also distressing is the fact that this deadly pattern of Afghan assault against the very nations that shore up Hamid Karzai’s crummy government doesn’t get a rise out of the Afghan leader; this freak incident does.Years of all-too-faithful service and sacrifice by US and allied forces to end the jihad in Afghanistan count for nothing; years of restrictive ROEs designed to save Afghan lives at the expense of American and allied lives are disregarded; and forget about the billions of dollars spent by the West to to build an Afghaninstan of unimaginable grandiosity; Karzai has.

Rather than calm passions, Karzai arouses them: “The government of Afghanistan is deeply disturbed by a video that shows American soldiers desecrating dead bodies of three Afghans. This act by American soldiers is simply inhuman and condemnable in the strongest possible terms. We expressly ask the US government to urgently investigate the video and apply the most severe punishment [this would be death] to anyone found guilty in this crime.”

But don’t mention the alarmingly frequent shootings by Afghan security forces of US and other infidel soldiers. Their wounds and deaths (not indignity after death) are simply not worth condemning, deploring or denouncing. Or even mentioning. These things are just what happens in war (COIN); what happens on the battlefield (volleyball court); what happens to men who break down in battle under stressful conditions (watching a volleyball game).

These four American service members, however. are dead meat; ISAF said so, in language that verges on hysterical:

“ISAF Denounces Deplorable Act Portrayed in Video’

KABUL, Afghanistan (Jan. 12, 2012) — A video recently posted on a public website appears to show U.S. military personnel committing an inappropriate act with enemy corpses. This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the high moral standards we expect of coalition forces.

ISAF strongly condemns the actions depicted in the video, which appear to have been conducted by a small group of U.S. individuals, who apparently are no longer serving in Afghanistan.

Nevertheless, this behavior dishonors the sacrifices and core values of every service member representing the fifty nations of the coalition.

Therefore, a United States Criminal Investigatory agency has launched an investigation. It will be thorough and any individuals with confirmed involvement will be held fully accountable.” (Diana West)

We now have an Army and Marine Corp run by Generals who care more about Muslim “sensitivities” than they do about the lives and limbs of their own troops which they continue to sacrifice on the Alter of their Hubris. In the spirit of truth in advertizing, the Pentagon should be renamed the Grand Mosque of Dhimmitude. We have a bastard Pentagon, a sarcasm, a burlesque, with no such thing as an American conscience. As military Generals they are just a sick joke.

VorDaj on January 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

What a load of pis…crap. These guys are out there every day facing down barbarians, IED’s, and ghastly traps, and I’m supposed to judge them on this?

Bishop on January 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I’m sure glad Youtube wasn’t around when my dad-in-law got chewed out by a general for letting his amtank crew put the skulls of Japanese soldiers on the cleats of their tank

It’s more that people had brains then. It may have been tasteless, but at the time your father-in-law did that, the Japanese Imperial Army was strapping women and children to their tanks, and worse.

During the Iran/Iraq war, the Iranians would have their own children roll across suspected mine fields to identify the mines.

You’ve got to undertand — to the left, non-whites aren’t fully human. To a leftist, anything a non-white does is the result of something a white did, and therefore the fault of the white. Similarly, any act of a white is considered naturally a crime, while any crime by a non-white is considered an excusable reaction to injustice.

So the Taliban strap a bomb to an eight-year-old — American’s are to blame, and should punish ourselves for driving the Taliban to such extremes. Americans piss on corpses that have already voided themselves — the Americans are war criminals and must receive the kind of punishment that will make an example of them. Ask Kos (of “screw them” fame) what the penalty should be.

Crawford on January 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

This is a serious and sensitive issue as it should be. There will undoubtedly be repercussions both personally and Nationally. I want to say one thing here and I don’t want any or everyone to come after me for it. Leave the cameras home boys and spam all your ammo. Carry on.

Bmore on January 12, 2012 at 11:05 PM

I have no problem with the Marine’s actions, I do, however, question their judgement about filming said actions…

thedevilinside on January 12, 2012 at 11:01 PM

I have to agree……
We shouldn’t be talking about this right now….
It never happened….
Stupid that they rained on our enemies parade…and filmed it..

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

Its sad that I dont worry about Al Qaeda or the Taliban using this as propaganda but I worry about the American left doing it.

William Amos on January 12, 2012 at 10:42 PM

Sad, isn’t it? Yet that was my thought as well.

OTOH, it’s not so much that the guys who did the fighting and were probably ambushed by this batch of approaching room temperature terrorists urinated on them. It’s the fact that some numbskull in the bunch actually took a video. Scratch that, that wouldn’t be so bad if all the soldiers got a copy and 20 years from now, their heirs saw the video. The fact that the numbskull or numbskulls actually posted it on the web, knowing the society of lilly-livered liberals from which they come. Good grief! Who couldn’t have seen the left going high order when this came to light? That’s probably where the original publicity came from as well. I’ll bet it wasn’t some jihadi searching YouTube who found it.

AZfederalist on January 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

dawndawn

“They are Marines! First to fight! On Air, On Land and Sea! Semper Fi!”

AFTER the U.S. “By Gawd!” Navy hauls your worthless jarhead butts to the scene of the battle. Anchors Aweigh!

Horace on January 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I do not think the pissing is the right thing to do. Pig blood on the other hand, I would certainly be willing to overlook. If the reason they are interested in killing our soldiers is the fact that they are promised some 60 odd virgins if they die fighting infidels, but if their body is in contact with pig blood they cannot get to heaven, it seems only fair. I am not sure urine has the same consequences for the souls of the beasts.

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM

We now have an Army and Marine Corp run by Generals who care more about Muslim “sensitivities” than they do about the lives and limbs of their own troops which they continue to sacrifice on the Alter of their Hubris. In the spirit of truth in advertizing, the Pentagon should be renamed the Grand Mosque of Dhimmitude. We have a bastard Pentagon, a sarcasm, a burlesque, with no such thing as an American conscience. As military Generals they are just a sick joke.

VorDaj on January 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

OK. We CAN agree on something.

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Seriously folks, can you think of anyone you’d rather pee on with maybe the exception of most democrats and their un-american progressive pals?

Tim Zank on January 12, 2012 at 10:48 PM

I think you’re a liberal sock-puppet here to make us look bad. Go away troll.

rndmusrnm on January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I completely agree with the quote from Ret Army Sgt Herb Freidman, we fail to understand, as a country, how lopsided we have stacked the deck against our troops. I’m sick of it. Where’s the outrage when the Taliban blow up and kill and maim our troops? When we get ‘justice’ for that, that’s exactly when they can prosecute these guys. Hope they can’t identify them. It’s WAR. I know the can’t condone, and we must have discipline, but, they need to not make this an example of politically correct buffoonery.

Minorcan Maven on January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

What about this?

This is nothing new, and it isn’t something to get upset about.

I remember seeing that picture as a kid, in one of those Time/Life “WWII in Pictures” books. The skull was obviously put on a post, almost certainly by Americans. The Time/Life book just described what it was, didn’t mention that it was evidence of a “crime” or “atrocity”. Because the photographers, editors, and audience for the book were all expected to be adults.

Crawford on January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

During the Iran/Iraq war, the Iranians would have their own children roll across suspected mine fields to identify the mines.

It was worse than that. The mullahs would give the children little plastic keys to hold while they walked into the minefield, telling them that the keys would open the gates of paradise if they were killed.

I don’t want to hear one damned word from the mouths of any of the muslim/arab/middle eastern cavemen hypocrites about some U.S. Marines taking a leak on a dead guy.

Bishop on January 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM

Horace on January 12, 2012 at 11:06 PM

I tried to ask you about this on the last thread you were on, I had a feeling they had to post it some time. This is the note I tried to slip you on the other thread.

I wanted to ask you a ? If its a ? you don’t want to answer I understand. I know its off thread but I thought I might find you over this way. I wanted to see what your take was on our boys taking a squirt on the dead enemy folks. Don’t say anything that will get you in trouble. This thread looked pretty quiet. I just wanted your take.

Bmore on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM

I have no problem at all with killing the azzholes. I would not be nearly so restrictive in ROE. My problem is that these guys thought it was cool to film what they did and post it on the internet to provide Jihadis and libtards with anti-American propaganda. I could personally care less if they pizzed on dead bodies. Just don’t put it out there.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

so much for “winning their heart and minds”

hopefully this will speed up getting out of that hellhole. what are we still doing there anyways?

DBear on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

EXCELLENT!

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM

another sock-puppet^

rndmusrnm on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I do not think the pissing is the right thing to do. Pig blood on the other hand, I would certainly be willing to overlook.

Same difference, religiously. Remember that even the sweat of an unbeliever is as “impure” as a pig, according to the mullahs.

Crawford on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

I completely agree with the quote from Ret Army Sgt Herb Freidman, we fail to understand, as a country, how lopsided we have stacked the deck against our troops. I’m sick of it. Where’s the outrage when the Taliban blow up and kill and maim our troops? When we get ‘justice’ for that, that’s exactly when they can prosecute these guys. Hope they can’t identify them. It’s WAR. I know the can’t condone, and we must have discipline, but, they need to not make this an example of politically correct buffoonery.

Minorcan Maven on January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

Bring them home. The same garbage happened in Nam. Waste casualties to acquire a hill and then abandon the hill, only to see the VC take the hill a month later. War in this country has become a profit making endeavor as opposed to a calculated eradication of the enemy. No one wants short, decisive wars because there is no money to be made.

Pitchforker on January 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

I remember seeing that picture as a kid, in one of those Time/Life “WWII in Pictures” books. The skull was obviously put on a post, almost certainly by Americans. The Time/Life book just described what it was, didn’t mention that it was evidence of a “crime” or “atrocity”. Because the photographers, editors, and audience for the book were all expected to be adults.

Crawford on January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

And there was the Japanese skull some guy sent to his girlfriend which was also in Time Magazine, and IIRC there was the photo of a soldier eating on top of a pile of dead Japanese. I guess they were just less sensitive and sheltered in that day and age.

sharrukin on January 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM

When did America forget how to fight a war? I tell you a hint: it has to do with liberals.

spec_ops_mateo on January 12, 2012 at 11:02 PM

The solders did fight the war battle…and won..
As displayed by the shower….

PS…
I know what you meant…
But the Talybon escalated their grievance into mass murder…
F@ck them!!!
I take that back…Rain on their parade….
Lead or piss..

Electrongod on January 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM

Same difference, religiously. Remember that even the sweat of an unbeliever is as “impure” as a pig, according to the mullahs.

Crawford on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Well then, piss on friends! Sempi Fi! But like other posters said, keep the memento’s private!

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM

“Desecrating the bodies of enemy combatants is a violation of the Uniformed Code of Military Justice. The Marines involved could face a court-martial.”

This is pretty much the only quote that matters in all of the above.

Caiwyn on January 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM
I have no problem at all with killing the azzholes. I would not be nearly so restrictive in ROE. My problem is that these guys thought it was cool to film what they did and post it on the internet to provide Jihadis and libtards with anti-American propaganda. I could personally care less if they pizzed on dead bodies. Just don’t put it out there.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

THAT I would agree with. But that’s just a judgement thing.

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM

So you can shoot them, bayonet them, smash their brains in, but don’t you dare pee on them!

sharrukin on January 12, 2012 at 10:43 PM

Those troops will be in even more trouble if when wizzing on the Taliban scum they were also wizzing in the direction of Mecca. I would trade all U.S. Army and Marine generals for 100 Chinese police.

VorDaj on January 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM

They need a shower too.

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM

Sorry for the garbage comment. I read this wrong the first time.

Southernblogger on January 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM

I am not sure urine has the same consequences for the souls of the beasts.

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM

If they all were eating bacon before pissing on the Taliban, I think it voids the 72 virgins, but we’ll have to ASK THE IMAM.

profitsbeard on January 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM

so much for “winning their heart and minds”

I was unaware the Taliban had hearts or minds.

Or, we can do what we did in WWII — break their will to fight by being more brutal than they can imagine and killing everyone who still wants to fight.

Remember the part quoted above how the “outrage” has been “slow to build” in Afghanistan? That’s mainly because they have yet to see how willing we are to grovel over this. Once it becomes clear how deeply were willing to bend over bow, they’ll crank the OUTRAGE to ten zillion to see what they can get from us.

Crawford on January 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM

For crying out loud… You can’t pee on them. But if you put them in a jar full of urine and call it art that’s a different story.

iceman1960 on January 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM

Nick Derringer – ditto!

Minorcan Maven on January 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM

I’m sure glad Youtube wasn’t around when my dad-in-law got chewed out by a general for letting his amtank crew put the skulls of Japanese soldiers on the cleats of their tank

cozmo on January 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM

I never knew if he was pulling my leg or not, but my grandfather once told me that he saw dead bodies being used to provide traction for their vehicles in the mud up particular hills (at least once) – European theater. He recalled hearing the sounds the bodies made as they were crushed.

Logus on January 12, 2012 at 11:17 PM

It was worse than that. The mullahs would give the children little plastic keys to hold while they walked into the minefield, telling them that the keys would open the gates of paradise if they were killed.

I don’t want to hear one damned word from the mouths of any of the muslim/arab/middle eastern cavemen hypocrites about some U.S. Marines taking a leak on a dead guy.

Bishop on January 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM

I have read they actually wrapped the children in sheets first, so all the body parts could get back to the parents. Know your enemy people.

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Well, our religion says we need to take several breaks through the day, so at 6 am, 9 am, 12 noon, 3pm and 6pm you have to stop all hostilities against us for half an hour.
Well, our religion says that if we come in contact with any number of things, lead, depleted uranium shells, explosives and a slew of others we will mail you the fifteen fine print version of the list, we cannot go to heaven for the act of attacking you, so if you could just cut all those out of your arsenal, it would be much appreciated.

astonerii on January 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

I think you’re a liberal sock-puppet here to make us look bad. Go away troll.

rndmusrnm on January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM

I don’t know who you are, your name is unfamiliar but you must have slipped in during the last open registration I assume? I’ve been here for years.

Tim Zank on January 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

This “Abu Ghraib 2.0″ will blow over in no time. Shelf life, perhaps a day or two.

The folks who blew AG 1.0 out of proportion for months hated Bush.

They adore Obama, so this will be No. Big. Deal.

marybel on January 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

So blowing them into chunky salsa is peachy, but pissing on their corpse is a no-no? Good grief. Memo to anyone in the armed forces: next time, keep an eye out for an idiot with a camera and don’t be afraid to confiscate the film/memory card at gunpoint. Your career and/or life may depend on that footage never hitting Youtube.

MelonCollie on January 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM

another sock-puppet^

rndmusrnm on January 12, 2012 at 11:11 PM

Another guilty conscience…..

WryTrvllr on January 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM

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