Virginia court likely to allow Gingrich, Huntsman, Perry and Santorum on the ballot

posted at 5:25 pm on January 10, 2012 by Tina Korbe

The Virginia primary isn’t until March 6; who knows what will happen between now and then? Perhaps one or more candidates among Newt Gingrich, Jon Huntsman, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum will have gone to extraordinary lengths to ensure their names will appear on the Virginia ballot only to be out of the race by the beginning of March anyway.

Nevertheless, those left out in the cold in Old Dominion haven’t given up without a fight — and it looks like they might win it after all. Recall that Perry has filed a ballot access lawsuit — in which he was joined by Gingrich, Huntsman and Santorum. Today, Judge John Gibney filed a five-page order in which he suggests “there is a strong likelihood that the Court will find the residency requirement for petition circulators to be unconstitutional.”

More from The Heritage Foundation’s Hans von Spakovsky:

Yesterday, Judge Gibney ordered the Virginia State Board of Elections to notify all local county electoral boards that they are barred “from ordering any ballots” or “from mailing out any absentee ballots” until after the judge holds a hearing on the case on January 13. The judge says in the order that he will make a decision on the merits of the temporary restraining order (TRO) and preliminary injunction being sought by the candidates on the 13th.

Additionally, the ACLU of Virginia filed an amicus brief today on the side of the Republican presidential candidates, arguing that Virginia’s 10,000-signature requirement for a presidential candidate to appear on the ballot “reduces the quantity of [political] speech available in Virginia, and directly infringes on the First Amendment rights of candidates, voters, petition circulators, and political parties.”

The ACLU also argues that Virginia’s residency requirement for petition circulators is not narrowly tailored to serve a compelling government interest. In fact, the ACLU says that Virginia has “fail[ed] even to articulate a compelling interest.” It asks the court to grant the plaintiffs’ request for a TRO and a preliminary injunction. Looks like the judge agrees with the ACLU.

This has been a debacle from the beginning, and I’m still of the mindset that the failure of the candidates to meet the requirements says more about their campaign organization than the absurdity of the Virginia requirements — but, in the end, if Mitt Romney and a non-Mitt Romney are in a very, very tight race as of March 6, voters will likely be very grateful for this judge’s probable decision.


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This is just pathetic. Frankly, by the time we get to Virginia, it isn’t going to matter much unless someone other than Romney wins SC or FL.

neoavatara on January 10, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Trying to divide the Not-Mitt vote.

abobo on January 10, 2012 at 5:27 PM

How can a judge overturn a properly passed and valid law?

What’s the point of ballot access laws at all, if any sore loser can get on the ballot anyway?

Rebar on January 10, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Perry has been eliminated from the upcoming CNN debate in South Carolina. Rick Perry is done.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 5:29 PM

That is some Grade-A bullshiite right there.

JohnGalt23 on January 10, 2012 at 5:30 PM

So if any of these guys becomes President, will a judge let them do-over an international crisis?

I’m all for having as many candidates on the ballot for as many primary voters as possible, but c’mon, not doing your math has consequences. (Ask the Clinton 2008 campaign.)

By the way, did Santorum even have the 10000 required signatures? All I can find are references to “more than 8000.”

Waggoner on January 10, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Perry has been eliminated from the upcoming CNN debate in South Carolina. Rick Perry is done.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 5:29 PM

There have been how many debates so far?

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 5:31 PM

WHAAAAA!!! Ballot access laws are unfair!! We can’t handle it. WHAAAAAA! Typical Republican whining when it doesn’t go their way. WHAAAA!!! It’s unfair!!
THEN ADDRESS THE BALLOT ACCESS LAWS ACROSS THE BOARD!! The ballot access laws in many states are extremely restrictive to 3rd parties.

WHAAAAAA!!!!! The GOP mantra.

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 5:32 PM

These rules were changed a month before the Iowa caucus, which left no time for many candidates to comply with them. Under the previous rules, all candidates already qualify to be on the Virginia ballot. This is not the candidates fault in this case.

HopeHeFails on January 10, 2012 at 5:34 PM

the ACLU of Virginia filed an amicus brief today on the side of the Republican presidential candidates,

Wait…what?

squint on January 10, 2012 at 5:34 PM

If their going to allow all of them, I want my name on the ballot too!

ConservativePartyNow on January 10, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Haha. So it looks like it was too strict and perhpaps even unconstitutional of VA to have these onerous requirements, not “incompetance” on the candidates part. Eat it, haters ;)

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 10, 2012 at 5:35 PM

How can a judge overturn a properly passed and valid law?

What’s the point of ballot access laws at all, if any sore loser can get on the ballot anyway?

Rebar on January 10, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Newt should have the judge frog-marched to explain himself.

galtani on January 10, 2012 at 5:36 PM

I’m becoming increasingly suspicious that Jennifer Rubin hacked Tina’s login.
besser tot als rot on January 10, 2012 at 5:34 PM

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2012 at 5:36 PM

These rules were changed a month before the Iowa caucus, which left no time for many candidates to comply with them. Under the previous rules, all candidates already qualify to be on the Virginia ballot. This is not the candidates fault in this case.

HopeHeFails on January 10, 2012 at 5:34 PM

This is a myth that has been repeated ad nauseum by those in the blogosphere, but has been debunked many times. No change was made a month beforehand. The rules were established, and the candidates informed of them, long ago.

Shump on January 10, 2012 at 5:36 PM

What’s the point of ballot access laws at all, if any sore loser can get on the ballot anyway?
Rebar on January 10, 2012 at 5:28 PM

Unlike Britain, we have a Constitutional Republic.

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Willard and the Mittbots don’t care how they win it- as long as they win.
About the only good thing that can be said if Mittens is the nominee is that it will be a fair fight.
Romney vs Obama deserve each other and may the sleaziest scumbag win.

sandollar_sa on January 10, 2012 at 5:38 PM

What about the designated rules?

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2012 at 5:39 PM

I was watching a segment on Fox and they said there’s 30+ people on the GOP ballot for President. Do they all get to be put on the Virginia ballot too?

I call B.S.

JPeterman on January 10, 2012 at 5:39 PM

Perry has been eliminated from the upcoming CNN debate in South Carolina. Rick Perry is done.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Got a link to that?

January 16, 2012 9pm ET on Fox News
Location: Myrtle Beach Convention Center in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina
Sponsor: Fox News and Republican Party of South Carolina
Participants: TBD
January 19, 2012 Air time TBD on CNN
Location: Charleston, SC
Sponsor: CNN and the Southern Republican Leadership Conference
Participants: TBD

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2012-debate-schedule/2011-2012-primary-debate-schedule?wpmp_swit

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 5:40 PM

This is a myth that has been repeated ad nauseum by those in the blogosphere, but has been debunked many times. No change was made a month beforehand. The rules were established, and the candidates informed of them, long ago.

Shump on January 10, 2012 at 5:36 PM

When were the “deemed sufficient” rules implemented? And the loyalty oath rules?

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2012 at 5:41 PM

WHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s unfair!!!!-GOP motto.
Homos.

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM

But-but-but everyone was telling me Perry was dumb for bringing this suit and blah blah blah.

Hahaha! Go Rick Perry!

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM

This was a test of executive leadership. Anyone that didn’t make it on the ballot failed that test.

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM

Haha. So it looks like it was too strict and perhpaps even unconstitutional of VA to have these onerous requirements, not “incompetance” on the candidates part. Eat it, haters ;)

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 10, 2012 at 5:35 PM

My recollection is that Perry was dumb for challenging it…have I got that right?

Way to go Perry!

Gig Em’
Perry 2012

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM

This was a test of executive leadership. Anyone that didn’t make it on the ballot failed that test.

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM

The test for leadership is challenging stupid BS and getting your opponents to jump on board.

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM

Absolutely ridiculous. Their campaigns failed on their own merits to qualify for a ballot everyone knew the requirements of. For a judge to circumvent state law – and conservatives actually applauding this kind of overreach – is sickening.

mythicknight on January 10, 2012 at 5:45 PM

These rules were changed a month before the Iowa caucus, which left no time for many candidates to comply with them. Under the previous rules, all candidates already qualify to be on the Virginia ballot. This is not the candidates fault in this case.

HopeHeFails on January 10, 2012 at 5:34 PM

This is a myth that has been repeated ad nauseum by those in the blogosphere, but has been debunked many times. No change was made a month beforehand. The rules were established, and the candidates informed of them, long ago.

Shump on January 10, 2012 at 5:36 PM

Both of you are both correct, AND incorrect at the same time. The LAW requiring signatures did not change a month before the deadline. The standard by which the GOP determines if one met the requirements DID change one month prior to the deadline. With less than a month before the deadline, the GOP decided to require 15,000 signatures for automatic (no verification of signatures) instead of the 10,000 previously required. The real smelly fish in all of this is that the state GOP leadership (minus Cuccinelli)are all Romney guys, who stands to benefit the most from being up against only Paul in the primary. Oh, and

Govgirl on January 10, 2012 at 5:45 PM

Unlike Britain, we have a Constitutional Republic.

besser tot als rot on January 10, 2012 at 5:37 PM

Indeed, and in our Constitution, states are specifically forbidden from making ex post facto laws.

Rebar on January 10, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Good news, Perry fans, Perry is rebooting his campaign for SC and he could make something happen there. Perry has never lost an elect ion and he’s not giving up.

The Perry Campaign Has Reset and Refocused in South Carolina

NickDeringer on January 10, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Haha. So it looks like it was too strict and perhpaps even unconstitutional of VA to have these onerous requirements, not “incompetance” on the candidates part. Eat it, haters ;)

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 10, 2012 at 5:35 PM

Pardon me, but your excuses for the incompetent buffoon Rick Perry are becoming tiresome. As Ed Morrissey has wonderfully explained, Perry’s and Gingrich’s failure to get the required number of valid signatures ought to make people at least question whether these candidates possess the minimum level of competence to run a national campaign.

We all know that Rick Perry is a ill-prepared, embarrassing bozo, so I don’t think anyone was surprised that Perry failed to make the cut. But unpopular Gingrich, who is known more for his pomposity, petulance and erratic ways, displayed that he also lacks the required competence.

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 5:47 PM

How can a judge overturn a properly passed and valid law?

What’s the point of ballot access laws at all, if any sore loser can get on the ballot anyway?

Rebar on January 10, 2012 at 5:28 PM

The Constitution is a “validly passed law” too. And it trumps. And stop bitching about it, Rebar, like a sore loser.

BCrago66 on January 10, 2012 at 5:48 PM

WHHAAAA!!!! The rules are unfair!! We didn’t meet the test, and now we’re whining about it!! WHHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!–GOP motto

Again, homos.

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Waaaah! Waaaaah!!!

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 5:47 PM

It must really burn you that Perry was right. =)

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 5:50 PM

Perry and Gingrich needed a helping hand after the fact because their campaigns are too pathetic and incompetent to get the job done right the first time. No wonder neither of them is doing well in the polls. Heck, Rick Perry has been going downhill consistently since September. Rick Perry is on pace to spend the most money in history while earning the fewest votes. Poor Perry… the guy is a loser.

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 5:51 PM

WHAAAAAA!!!!! Ballot access laws are unfair!! WHAAAAAA!!!!! Somebody powder my bottom!! WHAAAAAA!!!!!!–GOP motto

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 5:52 PM

great, by judicial fiat we have them on the ballot. way to go…

uhangtight on January 10, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Perry has been eliminated from the upcoming CNN debate in South Carolina. Rick Perry is done.
Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Unless they make an exception for special needs candidates, of course.

whatcat on January 10, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Awesome. Now I don’t have to vote for a job-killing crony capitalist of his nutty little helper, Ron Paul. Thanks, VA! :-)

Punchenko on January 10, 2012 at 5:54 PM

WHAAAAAA!!! I’m gonna cry to daddy because things didn’t go my way!! WHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!-GOP motto

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 5:56 PM

There goes that Rick Perry, making government as inconsequential in our lives as possible. Well, except for the federal judges part of government.

Rational Thought on January 10, 2012 at 5:56 PM

WHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!! I’m gonna cry to daddy to get things changed. WHAAAAAAA!!!!!-GOP motto

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 5:57 PM

JustTruth101 on January 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM

exactly. nothing more needs to be said.

uhangtight on January 10, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Perry has been eliminated from the upcoming CNN debate in South Carolina. Rick Perry is done.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 5:29 PM

Rick Perry was done the first time he opened his mouth in this campaign. The man sounds and looks like a dumb Texan. There are no two ways about it. I’m not trying to be rude. The more people see and hear from Rick Perry, the less interested they are in voting for him. He seems like he would be better suited running for something like City Council, not President of the US. I have read that his wife, Anita, is the one who really pushed him into this. I believe that Rick Perry wishes he could get out of the race ASAP, since it is obvious he is not cut out for the job. He has made a fool of himself over and over. You almost have to feel sorry for him. It’s also making Texas look bad.

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 5:58 PM

But-but-but all the Hot Gas folks and Romney-supporters kept assuring me everything was on the up and up.

Wahhh! Romney has to face competition now, waaaahhh!!! Them lousy judges and dirty Constitution getting in the way of the coronation of Mittens, waaahhhh!!!

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 5:58 PM

Go Team Perry! :)

sunshinek67 on January 10, 2012 at 5:59 PM

WHHAAAAAA!!!!! My daddy has to fix everything for me because I can’t follow the rules!! WHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!–GOP motto

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:01 PM

I’m a huge but realist Perry supporter.
His campaign is over. It’s time for him to come home to Texas were we love him-okay maybe not love but you get the idea…and for us Perry supporters to consider a second choice.
Like the movie title, ‘Reality BITES!’.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM

I think Mitt just threwup a little in his cornflakes

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:04 PM

WHHAAAAAA!!!!! My daddy has to fix everything for me because I can’t follow the rules!! WHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!–GOP motto

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:01 PM

Enough already.

JPeterman on January 10, 2012 at 6:05 PM

I’m a huge but realist Perry supporter.
His campaign is over. It’s time for him to come home to Texas were we love him-okay maybe not love but you get the idea…and for us Perry supporters to consider a second choice.
Like the movie title, ‘Reality BITES!’.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Yeah, and it wasn’t long ago Newt was saying, “Let’s face it,” he was going to be the nominee.

The front runner of the minute is Mitt, who is only now being lit into. Mitt has no appeal in the South, but Perry does. The only reason this is still a contest is because RINO states like NH go first, instead of the most important red state of them all – Texas.

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM

So in reading this thread…it was an Establishment fix that kept these guys off the ballot, and now it’s an Establishment fix to put them back on….?

JohnTant on January 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I’m a huge but realist Perry supporter.
His campaign is over. It’s time for him to come home to Texas were we love him-okay maybe not love but you get the idea…and for us Perry supporters to consider a second choice.
Like the movie title, ‘Reality BITES!’.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Sure…it’s all over for you after just two states.

Perry is in it at least to Texas which has 155 delegates and he’ll have the money to compete.

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Enough already.

JPeterman on January 10, 2012 at 6:05 PM

Oh, no. Not even close.

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM

I’ve been recruited to be an election judge for the primary.
It’ll be interesting.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:08 PM

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

I’m supporting Perry until he drops out…which I think will be within the next few weeks.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:10 PM

I’m a huge but realist Perry supporter.

His campaign is over. It’s time for him to come home to Texas were we love him-okay maybe not love but you get the idea…and for us Perry supporters to consider a second choice.

Like the movie title, ‘Reality BITES!’.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM

Sure…it’s all over for you after just two states.

Perry is in it at least to Texas which has 155 delegates and he’ll have the money to compete.

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Exactly. Santorum goes from 1% to the top tier in a month, and we are to believe anyone who is still in it is already out of it.

Anything is possible so long as you stay in it. Just ask Pawlenty, who I am sure is kicking himself right now, hahahaha.

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:10 PM

So Perry and some of the other knuckleheads get on the Virginia ballot and split the Not Romney vote, handing another primary win to Mittens the RINO.

Brilliant strategery on Perry’s part. The didn’t call him the “smartest yeller” on the A%M Yell Boy Team for nothing.

He’s out of the CNN debate in South Carolina because he is only polling 5% there.

Maybe after he suspends his campaign after South Carolina, he can jump back in after he gets on the Virginia ballot. More of that brilliant strategery!

Paul/Roemer 2012 – Cutting Edge Politics!

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM

We refuse to follow the rules and get tossed! WHAAAAAA!! Daddy will fix it!! WHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-GOP motto

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Yeah, and it wasn’t long ago Newt was saying, “Let’s face it,” he was going to be the nominee.

The front runner of the minute is Mitt, who is only now being lit into. Mitt has no appeal in the South, but Perry does. The only reason this is still a contest is because RINO states like NH go first, instead of the most important red state of them all – Texas.

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM

Mitt Romney didn’t win a single Southern state and only won two southwestern states in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Republican_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries_results,_2008.svg

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:13 PM

The man sounds and looks like a dumb Texan.

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 5:58 PM

As a Texan I resemble that remark!

squint on January 10, 2012 at 6:15 PM

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

I’m supporting Perry until he drops out…which I think will be within the next few weeks.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Nope.

He’s in it to at least Texas in April & he’ll keep hammering at Romney & Obama.

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:15 PM

As a Texan I resemble that remark!

squint on January 10, 2012 at 6:15 PM

lol!

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 6:17 PM

workingclassartist

As his campaign manager, Perry was hoping to win the Texas Primary for Gore in 1988 or ’92, I forget which, but Algore stabbed him in the back.

Had things gone differently, Perry would still be trailing Romney, 2 Southwestern states to 1.

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Thank God! Not voting for any of those bozos will be so much more satisfying when they are back on the ballot.

Mr. Arkadin on January 10, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:11 PM

There’s only one poll that matters, and I’ll be casting my vote in it shortly. I get a feeling you won’t like it!

Did I mention SC is lovely this time of year? =)

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM

Thank God! Not voting for any of those bozos will be so much more satisfying when they are back on the ballot.

Mr. Arkadin on January 10, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Brilliant!!

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:19 PM

These rules were changed a month before the Iowa caucus, which left no time for many candidates to comply with them. Under the previous rules, all candidates already qualify to be on the Virginia ballot. This is not the candidates fault in this case.

HopeHeFails on January 10, 2012 at 5:34 PM

You’re wasting your time on those who are either illiterate or simply too dumb to understand. Or both.

riddick on January 10, 2012 at 6:20 PM

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:07 PM

I’m supporting Perry until he drops out…which I think will be within the next few weeks.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:10 PM

In 2008 Romney dropped out in Feb.
Huckabee in March

Thompson and Guliani in January

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:20 PM

The front runner of the minute is Mitt, who is only now being lit into. Mitt has no appeal in the South, but Perry does. The only reason this is still a contest is because RINO states like NH go first, instead of the most important red state of them all – Texas.

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM

What an insult to southerners! Are you saying that someone has to be a moronic, incompetent fool who can barely speak English (like Rick Perry) in order to get support in the south? I don’t think so! Romney is leading in SC. Southerners are not stupid, as you suggest. The South will go for Romney, who is the best candidate, by far!

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 6:21 PM

workingclassartist

As his campaign manager, Perry was hoping to win the Texas Primary for Gore in 1988 or ’92, I forget which, but Algore stabbed him in the back.

Had things gone differently, Perry would still be trailing Romney, 2 Southwestern states to 1.

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:17 PM

I guess that kennel tied to Romney’s car is getting cramped for you by now?

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:22 PM

What an insult to southerners! Are you saying that someone has to be a moronic, incompetent fool who can barely speak English (like Rick Perry) in order to get support in the south? I don’t think so! Romney is leading in SC. Southerners are not stupid, as you suggest. The South will go for Romney, who is the best candidate, by far!

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Hahahahaha! You’re right about one thing, we southerners aren’t stupid, which is why the South is so conservative and unimpressed with Romney.

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:23 PM

What an insult to southerners! Are you saying that someone has to be a moronic, incompetent fool who can barely speak English (like Rick Perry) in order to get support in the south? I don’t think so! Romney is leading in SC. Southerners are not stupid, as you suggest. The South will go for Romney, who is the best candidate, by far!

bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 6:21 PM

Sure they will…just like they did in 2008

How many southern states did Romney win again?

that would be zero

(Michigan, Nevada (caucus), Wyoming, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana (caucus), Utah, Minnesota, Colorado, North Dakota, Alaska)

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:25 PM

Iced Tea

I’m sure SC is lovely even this time of year. Was in Charleston once in April. Enchanting. Two of my sons traveled there for a wedding last year in May and have been raving about the beauty ever since.

As to “the only poll that matters,” I expect Perry to poll in that one about the same as he has in “the polls that don’t matter,” i.e. 5% or so. It probably depends on whether or not Buddy Roemer can get his voters to turn out.

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:26 PM

workingclassartist

“I guess that kennel tied to Romney’s car is getting cramped for you by now?’

I really should give up. I try to “get” you and you always come back with such brilliant, well-informed ripostes, leaving me agog and struggling to catch my breath.

Say…you aren’t a former A&M Yell Boy, are you? That would explain your great advantage, I guess.

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

WHHAAA!!!! Everybody is against me, and changing the rules!! Change them back, daddy, change them back!!! I can’t follow the rules!! WHAAAAAAAA!!!!–GOP motto

So, if the “rules changed” a month before, how did RP and Mitt make the ballot?

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

This is just pathetic. Frankly, by the time we get to Virginia, it isn’t going to matter much unless someone other than Romney wins SC or FL.

neoavatara on January 10, 2012 at 5:27 PM

Obviously you are young.

This is very early in the cycle. If Mitt wins tonight then history would say he has no chance of being the nominee as none have won Iowa and New Hampshire and gone on to the nomination in a contested primary like this one.

The rules also changed so delegates are not winner take all till March so no one will get a commanding lead till then.

Steveangell on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Romney is leading in SC.
bluegill on January 10, 2012 at 6:21 PM

And in Florida. Meanwhile, Perry can’t garner any more than 5% in the south.

whatcat on January 10, 2012 at 6:32 PM

I can understand Gingrich and Perry getting on, they at least tried to get on the ballot, but how on earth can they justify allowing Huntsman and Santorum who refused to even try to get on?
Note, I support Santorum. I also support Newt.

astonerii on January 10, 2012 at 6:33 PM

As to “the only poll that matters,” I expect Perry to poll in that one about the same as he has in “the polls that don’t matter,” i.e. 5% or so. It probably depends on whether or not Buddy Roemer can get his voters to turn out.

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:26 PM

Maybe so, maybe not, the race is way too fluid to be making many predictions at this point.

I do feel fairly confident that Romney won’t win SC, even in a still crowded field, and even if Romney goes gangbusters tonight in NH.

Romney is currently polling well in SC, but he (and him alone) has been flooding the airwaves with ads. The rest are only beginning to start campaigning here, and the attacks on Mitt are just beginning in earnest.

I would be expecting Mitt’s numbers in SC to go down, except perhaps for a momentary bump if he does really well in NH.

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:34 PM

Criteria for CNN debate in South Carolina:

A person must place in one of the top four* slots in the final results of the Iowa Caucus.
-or-

· A person must place in one of the top four* slots in the final results of the New Hampshire Primary.

-or-

· A person must receive an average of at least 7.00 percent in at least three national polls released between January 1 and January 18 that were conducted by the following organizations: ABC, AP, Bloomberg, CBS News, New York Times, CNN, FOX, Gallup, Los Angeles Times, Marist, McClatchy, NBC, Newsweek, Pew, Quinnipiac, Reuters, USA Today and Time.

-or-

· A person must receive an average of at least 7.00 percent in at least three South Carolina polls released between January 1 and January 18 that were conducted by the following organizations: ABC, AP, Bloomberg, CBS News, New York Times, CNN, FOX, Gallup, Los Angeles Times, Marist, McClatchy, NBC, Newsweek, Pew, Quinnipiac, Reuters, USA Today and Time.

Rick Perry is done.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 6:36 PM

WHHAAA!!!! Everybody is against me, and changing the rules!! Change them back, daddy, change them back!!! I can’t follow the rules!! WHAAAAAAAA!!!!–GOP motto

So, if the “rules changed” a month before, how did RP and Mitt make the ballot?

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Keeps getting funnier, every time I see it!

squint on January 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM

IcedTea

You certainly could be right.

Having had a mother from Alabama and having spent many summer vacations as a kid among my Alabama relatives, there is just something “different” between Romney and Southerners.

And I don’t mean his Mormonism. Just some sort of cultural or world-view gulf between Romney and most Southerners that just might make it some rough plowing for him in South Carolina.

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Rick Perry is done.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 6:36 PM

Yeah, I heard that a lot from the Cainiacs, too. Then it was, “Let’s face it,” Gingrich was a lock.

We’ll see. All Perry has to do is stay in it and get a lucky break at some point. How do you think Newt and Santorum took turns at the top?

Perry has what none of the others have – the best record in the running.

IcedTea on January 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM

So, if the “rules changed” a month before, how did RP and Mitt make the ballot?

libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Keeps getting funnier, every time I see it!

squint on January 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Easy, they started with the 10,000 signatures they had from 2008 and built on that.

astonerii on January 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM

Good going, let them all compete in Virginia. Come what may.

jake49 on January 10, 2012 at 6:49 PM

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM

That’s just what Santorum thought a mere two weeks ago, and then he nearly won Iowa. This cycle has proved that no one’s campaign is officially over until they drop out. Perry needs fighters because he’s facing a hostile media, inc. FNC.

Aslans Girl on January 10, 2012 at 6:49 PM

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 6:36 PM

LOL, we’ll see what happens in the next eight days til the 18th. As Iowa proved, anyone can go from single digits to double digits overnight. And Santorum wasn’t the first, either. Gingrich and Cain before him. Eight days is a LIFETIME in politics.

Aslans Girl on January 10, 2012 at 6:52 PM

Say…you aren’t a former A&M Yell Boy, are you? That would explain your great advantage, I guess.

Horace on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Gig Em’

:)

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 6:58 PM

So, if the “rules changed” a month before, how did RP and Mitt make the ballot?
libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

Keeps getting funnier, every time I see it!

squint on January 10, 2012 at 6:39 PM

Easy, they started with the 10,000 signatures they had from 2008 and built on that.

astonerii on January 10, 2012 at 6:41 PM

I was actually referring to his incessant “WAAH WAAH!” bullcrap.

squint on January 10, 2012 at 7:00 PM

The Texas Primary is currently scheduled for April 3, 2012. However, if the Supreme Court issues a ruling very quickly, it could be switched back to March 6, 2012…according to Texas AG Greg Abbott in an interview on WBAP 820.

comment thread http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/10/the-perry-campaign-has-reset-and-refocused-in-south-carolina/

Atty. Gen. Abbott rocks!

The democrats have a crap case saying that redistricting maps don’t represent minorities. They want to replace 5 Hispanic Republicans with 5 Hispanic Democrats.

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 7:02 PM

It will be interesting to see what happens with Santorum in NH…took him a long time to get his second look.

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 7:04 PM

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 7:02 PM

GREAT news, thanks! I’ll be keeping an eye out for the decision.

Aslans Girl on January 10, 2012 at 7:06 PM

I’m a huge but realist Perry supporter.
His campaign is over. It’s time for him to come home to Texas were we love him-okay maybe not love but you get the idea…and for us Perry supporters to consider a second choice.
Like the movie title, ‘Reality BITES!’.

annoyinglittletwerp on January 10, 2012 at 6:03 PM

No, Twerp, no, no, no, no, noooooooooooo!
Good things come to those who wait! : )))))))))

herm2416 on January 10, 2012 at 7:07 PM

Perry has been eliminated from the upcoming CNN debate in South Carolina.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 5:29 PM

But isn’t that giving Perry an unfair advantage?

galtani on January 10, 2012 at 7:16 PM

Criteria for CNN debate in South Carolina:

Rick Perry is done.

Deep Timber on January 10, 2012 at 6:36 PM

File a lawsuit Rick!

BacaDog on January 10, 2012 at 7:17 PM

I’m not a fan of Romney and definitely not a fan of Paul, but having the ACLU argue a case for you says something.
Rhetorical, but when did all of these judges get so much power that they can overturn whatever they want? Maybe Newt can have the judges subpoenaed for legislating from the bench.

ritewhit on January 10, 2012 at 7:22 PM

So, if the “rules changed” a month before, how did RP and Mitt make the ballot?
libertarianlunatic on January 10, 2012 at 6:30 PM

The rules have required 10,000 valid signatures to get on the ballot since 2008. period.

In October, the RPV said that if a candidate had 15,000 or more, they’d consider that enough of an excess to pass them as a 33% failure rate was statistically unlikely. If they had less than 15,000 they’d validate the signatures to ensure the 10,000 signature requirement.

Romney and Paul exceeded the 15,000 hurdle. Newt turned in more than 10,000, but got screwed by a signature collector who made a bunch up. Perry turned in less than 10,000. Sanntorum, Bachman and Huntsman didn’t even bother to submit.

BacaDog on January 10, 2012 at 7:26 PM

I believe that this is the responsibility of the Republican leadership. If anyone other than Romney is nominated the Republican leadership will not put their full support behind them.

This goes back to Goldwater, when much of the leadership walked out on the convention. More recently, candidates in Nevada and Delaware were not supported but were actually criticized using arguments furnished to them by democrats.

Penrod on January 10, 2012 at 7:29 PM

Good news, Perry fans, Perry is rebooting his campaign for SC and he could make something happen there. Perry has never lost an elect ion and he’s not giving up.

The Perry Campaign Has Reset and Refocused in South Carolina

NickDeringer on January 10, 2012 at 5:46 PM

Thanks for the link.

Club for Growth’s Andy Roth Discusses Presidential Candidates Economic Plans With Neil Cavuto, 1/9/12
Category: Best plan to boost economy & cut the debt based on policy plan & records of each candidate

Perry – A Best Plan/Strong Record “It’s an economic Boon”

Paul – B

Gingrich & Santorum – C Records do not reflect plans

Romney – D “He wants to institutionalize a permanent deficit”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69_jTexx2Kk&feature=youtu.be

Perry’s record backs it up.

Since the beginning of Barack Obama’s administration, Rick Perry’s Texas has added more jobs than all other states combined.

http://www.willisms.com/archives/2011/12/since_the_begin.html

workingclass artist on January 10, 2012 at 7:32 PM

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