Open thread: New Hampshire; Update: Electability key in exit polls; Update: Fox News calls it for Romney at 8 p.m. sharp, predicts Paul will finish second; Update: Huntsman says he’s staying in the race
posted at 6:05 pm on January 10, 2012 by Allahpundit
Most of the polls close at 7 p.m. ET but a handful across the state will close at 8, so sit tight for returns. Three questions tonight. One, obviously: Will Romney underperform? There’s no shortage of benchmarks to choose from. The spin from the rest of the field will be that anything less than 40 percent is failure. The spin from the media will probably be that anything less than 37 percent, which is what McCain took when he won the state four years ago, is lackluster. The further he dips below that and the closer he gets to his 2008 take of 32 percent, the more we’ll hear tomorrow about Romney having struggled to grow his base since the last time he ran.
Two: Which candidate who won’t end up being nominated will claim second place? Paul and Huntsman have been neck and neck in the last few polls, but unlike JH’s campaign, Paul’s actually has a big-picture strategy. He’s going to soldier on, pile up delegates, and try to be a force at the convention. Huntsman’s strategy is more of an “underpants gnome” deal:
Step one: Second place in New Hampshire
Step two: ??????
Step three: Nominee!
As Jazz noted earlier, in the crucial state of South Carolina, this guy’s polling behind … Stephen Colbert. The best chance he had against Romney was to somehow maneuver him into a two-man race (or three-man race, including Paul) and then let the Not Romney crowd reluctantly carry him to victory. Too late for that now, so the back-up plan, I take it, is to do surprisingly well tonight at Romney’s expense and then let his donors and media sweethearts go to work for him in SC. (According to BuzzFeed, Huntsman’s mega-wealthy father also could probably be convinced to keep the campaign going if JH finishes above, say, 13 percent.) There is, I suppose, some slim chance of a close five-way race there between Romney, Huntsman, Paul, Gingrich, and Santorum in which the winner finishes in the low 20s, but for that to happen, Huntsman needs a strong showing in NH to convince tepid moderate Romney fans down south to peel off and back him instead. Likely to happen? Er, no.
Three: Did Gingrich’s last-ditch attacks on Romney’s Bain career do anything to change the polling at the eleventh hour? Mitt was up four points in today’s final Suffolk poll, leading one of his top advisors to crow that the strategy had backfired. Could be, but if Romney ends up doing worse than expected, Democratic hopes will soar at the thought that their class-warfare strategy in November might be a winner even on the right. Can’t wait for the exit polling.
Below you’ll find the trusty Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget for livetweeting. I’ll be updating this post, needless to say, and Jazz will be talking live about the primary on the RINO Hour of Power at 8 p.m. You can follow the returns at Townhall or via the nifty Google NH results map. While we wait, have a look at this mind-boggling graphic at Politico summarizing the astounding amateurishness of the field this year. It was Philip Klein, I think, who said Romney’s likely to be the nominee simply because he’s the only one who showed up to this job interview wearing a suit. That graphic is some of the best evidence of that theory that you’ll ever see. Also, read Dan McLaughlin’s incisive post at Red State about the real peril to conservatism in nominating Romney:
The other point I would make about integrity is that it goes close to the core of why a Romney nomination worries me so much: because we would all have to make so many compromises to defend him that at the end of the day we may not even recognize ourselves. Romney has, in a career in public office of just four years (plus about 8 years’ worth of campaigning), changed his position on just about every major issue you can think of, and his signature accomplishment in office was to be wrong on the largest policy issue of this campaign… There were spots of solid ground on which to plant ourselves with McCain, and he had a history of digging himself in on those and fighting for things he believed in. But Mitt Romney’s record is just one endless sheet of thin ice as far as the eye can see – there’s no way to have any kind of confidence that we can tell people he stands for something today without being made fools of tomorrow. We who have laughed along with Jim Geraghty’s prescient point that every Obama promise comes with an expiration date will be the ones laughed at, and worse yet we will know the critics are right. Every time I try to talk myself into thinking we can live with him, I run into this problem. It’s one that particularly bedeviled Republicans during the Nixon years – many partisan Republicans loved Nixon because he made the right enemies and fought them without cease or mercy, but the man’s actual policies compromised so many of our principles that the party was crippled in the process even before Watergate. We can stand for Romney, but we’ll find soon enough that that’s all we stand for.
As McLaughlin himself pointed out on Twitter today, we’re already seeing this happen.
Stand by for updates. Exit question: Is Rick Perry really not going to qualify for CNN’s South Carolina debate?
Update: An early trickle of exit poll data points to a good night for Romney: “The early exit polls show 44 percent of the New Hampshire electorate so far is independent. The biggest winner among them? Mitt Romney with 30 percent. Ron Paul is second, Jon Huntsman is third.”
Update: A really good night for Romney, maybe. From the Times’s Brian Stelter: “Network execs privately say they expect to be able to call NH for Romney at 8pm sharp. The race for 2nd will take longer.”
Update: Suddenly, 40 percent doesn’t sound so unlikely.
“About a third of voters are saying they’re most interested in electability – the candidate who has the best chance to defeat Obama,” ABC News’ Gary Langer, of Langer Research Associates writes. “Just over a quarter are looking for the most experienced candidate and about a quarter say they care most about strong moral character. Far fewer – about one in seven voters – say they’re looking mainly for a true conservative, a contrast from last week when a quarter of Iowa caucus-goers said so.
Romney also leads the field when voters were asked whether they’d be satisfied with a given candidate as nominee.
Update: According to the exit polls, fully 46 percent said they made their minds up today or in the last few days. If they Bain attacks worked — or backfired — we should some evidence of it in the final numbers.
Update: It’s 8 p.m. and only 10 percent of precincts have reported, but the Foxies have seen enough: They’ve called it for Romney. Interestingly, as I write this, Paul is only a little more than 10 points behind Mitt (35.5% to 25%). If it held up, that’d be a bit closer than everyone expected. One other interesting exit-poll data point from Fox: Romney won a plurality of late deciders with 29%. Huntsman was second at 22%. I guess Bain didn’t hurt him so badly after all. Yet.
Old tea-party goal: Stop Romney from winning the nomination. New tea-party goal: Stop Romney from winning all 50 primaries. Heart-ache.
Update: Fox has also called second place for Paul promptly at 8. Is that the end for Huntsman, then? Finish a distant second to Romney is one thing but what’s his rationale for continuing when he can’t pull enough independents even to top Paul?
The official exit poll results via Political Wire: “Romney 36%, Paul 23%, Huntsman 18%, Santorum 10%, Gingrich 10% and Perry 1%.”
Update: As grassroots righties mourn the Romney victory, BuzzFeed wonders: Why can’t conservatives get their act together in primaries?
“Conservatism in 1980 knew what it stood for,” said Craig Shirley, a movement veteran and Reagan biographer whose firm is working with Newt Gingrich’s presidential campaign. The movement is going through a bit of an identity crisis. This is the residue of 8 years of George Bush.”…
Others blame the candidates, not the movement.
“A dominant conservative candidate has not been able to emerge in recent years. There have been a series of flops,” said Jeffrey Bell, a movement veteran who is policy director at the American Principles Project in Washington. “And this year we didn’t have soup-to-nuts, fully funded presidential candidate. All of them lacked money except for Perry, and Perry wasn’t ready to run for president.”
Update: Huntsman tells NBC he won’t quit. Of course, Bachmann said that on caucus night too only to change her mind the next day. Good news if true, though, for Romney-haters: He’ll peel a few moderate votes away from Mitt in South Carolina, albeit not as many as he would have if he had finished a strong second tonight.
Update: The exit-poll coup de grace: “Romney wins among those who say they’re strong supporters of the tea parties.”
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catmman on March 28, 2013 at 7:24 PM
lester will be down here like a flash. This is right in his wheelhouse.
a capella on March 28, 2013 at 7:27 PM
these stats are NOT going to look pretty once they start rolling out (pun not intended) those new bacon-flavored condoms……/ Just think of it, bacon fat, salt and all the other fun things your GF can enjoy when your gettin’ jiggity wit it –IYKWIM.
ted c on March 28, 2013 at 7:27 PM
I got hit in the groin once during dodgeball, never played it again.
nonpartisan on March 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM
That was me in grade school, and I loved dodgeball. Chance at revenge. And what’s with the Nerf balls. We used volleyballs.
rbj on March 28, 2013 at 7:28 PM
honestly I enjoyed dodge ball…but that was like in 4 th grade….and i think we used a bigger ball
these people look a little old and it looks like they can get some heft into their throws. Maybe they should be playing football, or soccer
r keller on March 28, 2013 at 7:29 PM
And the pussification of Americans continues. Unabated.
ndanielson on March 28, 2013 at 7:30 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/03/28/company-releases-new-bacon-flavored-condoms/?intcmp=features
ted c on March 28, 2013 at 7:31 PM
Maybe the little liar will finally link to the source post where I’m rumored to have said gangs rarely use guns.
Oops. Sorry. That will probably keep him off of this thread.
rogerb on March 28, 2013 at 7:33 PM
Nitrite free? Sandra Fluke must be beside herself.
ndanielson on March 28, 2013 at 7:35 PM
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That’s been pretty evident from your posting history.
Dr. Carlo Lombardi on March 28, 2013 at 7:42 PM
They won’t let you ball dodge ball at school? Then play at summer camp.
my emphasis
JohnFLob on March 28, 2013 at 7:45 PM
Another example of the end of the USA.
alanstern on March 28, 2013 at 7:45 PM
************** Sissys *************:)
(Yes,I’m Kidding)
canopfor on March 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM
AP hardest hit
… take that any way you want.
Marcola on March 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM
there goes that great rite of passage whereby a young boy gets a rubber ball straight into the cojones.
good times.
renalin on March 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM
How do you make a gay thread, without mentioning homosexuals, activists, or even sexual behavior?
EASY: Make a thread about dodgeball…
SWalker on March 28, 2013 at 7:46 PM
Playing dodgeball 2.0
–bayam
tom daschle concerned on March 28, 2013 at 7:49 PM
The threat and danger of AIDs, thanks to the gay pretend marriage community, costed a hell of a lot more than that. Tons more … including years of having the idiots in government lie about how everyone was just as likely to contract AIDs when it was, in fact, very specifically a gay male disease that only rarely passed out of that community and was usually only when their favorite sexual act was being practiced on some idiot females.
Not surprisingly, through all those years of AIDs being spread and being called the greatest threat to humanity, there was never a single study about the major transmission mechanism (anal sex) and how that played into it all. Not even any studikes about it and why AIDs had such a major spread in the hetero community in Africa – which liked that particularly risky sex act through which AIDs liked to move. But not a single study in the Western world to identify that … lest the poor gays be tainted as carriers of the disease that they carried and spread.
ThePrimordialOrderedPair on March 28, 2013 at 7:51 PM
Agreed. I’m pretty sure I enjoyed dodgeball, but we stopped after elementary school. Those who had it in high school often have less positive memories of it. Why are they still playing a “kid’s game” at that age, anyway?
calbear on March 28, 2013 at 7:52 PM
Finishing my 10th year teaching PE at a KG-3 school in Texas. We play dodgeball every Friday with all 4 grades…… as long as you behave during the week you get to play. Hands down, no questions asked, the kids favorite game. The threat of not getting to play is my best discipline trump card. I’ve never heard a negative word from administrator or parent.
Spider79 on March 28, 2013 at 7:54 PM
I am ashamed of my State. Thank goodness this isn’t my town or I’d have to make the school administrators life hell with phone calls, letters and face to face encounters at townhall meetings.
Dodgeball is Awesome.
It teaches character.
It gives everyone the ability to peg the opponent with there best shot.
It used to make me laugh when the wimpiest kid in class took out the biggest dumb jock with a well placed shot to the head or groin.
Easily my favorite game we played in gym class between organized team sports or on rainy days.
We played in grade school, Jr.High and once in a great while in High School. Hell we even played it in the Army for P.T. occasionally. And we never used nerf balls we only used those red rubber balls, in grade school the ball was the size of a basketball and the older we got the smaller the ball got.
Dodgeball has only one rule – DODGE!!!!!!!!!
D-fusit on March 28, 2013 at 7:54 PM
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Z I N G ! . . . . . . .
listens2glenn on March 28, 2013 at 7:57 PM
Man, those were good times. Always a couple geeks way off to the side looking somewhere else. Always took them out first, usually with glasses flying off, and noses bloodied. Got em out of the game quick, which is what they wanted. Always fun when your face burned all day from a direct hit to the coconut. Had some great battles. Today’s p*ssies would be filing a lawsuit or something. Really sucks.
msupertas on March 28, 2013 at 7:59 PM
Awesome
msupertas on March 28, 2013 at 8:01 PM
My junior high gym teacher used to have us play a game inside on rainy days that he called smear the queer. I don’t think it was actually the game most people know as smear the queer though. Don’t remember too much about it. It involved half the class lining up against a wall while the rest of the class threw balls at them. He also had these nerf swords he would let us fight with. We would be blindfolded and we flailed around trying to hit our opponent with these swords. This teacher probably would be fired today.
Mark1971 on March 28, 2013 at 8:05 PM
I thought there were five?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=18ASBsQfXnw&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D18ASBsQfXnw
F15Mech on March 28, 2013 at 8:07 PM
So, now instead of getting the occasional nerf ball in the face the betas must endure the constant insult, “You’re so beta, you’d get dodgeball banned … if we could still play dodgeball.”
Dusty on March 28, 2013 at 8:08 PM
We didn’t have those in school, but the summer recreation program did. When you fought someone you had a choice of the nerf sword or a barrel shaped nerf object that was in a giant pillow case. The most effective technique with the nerf sword was not swinging it, but a quick forward thrust to the face.
Wigglesworth on March 28, 2013 at 8:18 PM
F15Mech, Nope Just One Rule
D-fusit on March 28, 2013 at 8:21 PM
LOL I stand corrected
F15Mech on March 28, 2013 at 9:04 PM
I didn’t. I was always too slow and was an early victim. I preferred Red Rover. LOL
ddrintn on March 28, 2013 at 9:23 PM
Dodgeball? Meh. It had its uses at times.
ANyone remember wallball? Oh yeah, those tennis balls stung like a…! :-)
JohnAGJ on March 28, 2013 at 9:37 PM
I was really beta as a kid, and I think that is why I was always the last kid hit in dodgeball. Seriously. They are oppressing beta males by this idiocy. Here’s a game we excell at.
thuja on March 28, 2013 at 10:46 PM
Some of those beta males are good dodgeball players. Harder to hit a smaller, quicker target. They can also stop the balls after they bounce off the back wall, and hand them to the harder throwers on their team. ower
We also used volleyballs–they sting a little, so you dodge them!
We also had a rule that if a player caught a thrown ball, the thrower was out. To avoid that, most of us aimed for the lower legs (harder to catch), but getting hit in the shins or feet doesn’t hurt much.
Steve Z on March 28, 2013 at 11:28 PM
Some of my fondest memories of the Sixth Grade go back to the Grand games of team Dodge Ball on the playground.
And the Nerds often did quite well at Dodge Ball too. When teams were being decided they weren’t left till last like they were in everything else.
Ditto!
For team play we said if you caught the ball one of your knocked out Team Members on the sideline came back in.
jaydee_007 on March 29, 2013 at 3:56 AM
I agree with a lot of the posters.
I loved dodgeball. Some of the most “alive” moments I had when I was in 5th and 6th grade. Raw, intense emotions and strategies along with some random chance and some tough lessons(not looking out for that missle thrower that was on the other side and opposite end of the front line). It also was one of those activities where athleticism was not 100% required.
It was also a “scary” moment when the whistle blew and the mayhem broke out. Good stuff after sitting in a class room all day. Great to get rid of the boredome and be “alive”. It was not mandatory to play but almost all the guys did.
I felt sorry for my kids. By they time they went through they never once played dodgeball in recess or gym. One more thing that the libs have trashed. It is a much greater loss than it would seem.
acyl72 on March 29, 2013 at 9:16 AM
So, of course, since they didn’t have that activity to burn off excess calories, the powers that be are now starving them to death because they’re getting fat sitting around not playing dodge ball.
jaydee_007 on March 30, 2013 at 2:00 AM