Quotes of the day

posted at 9:30 pm on January 8, 2012 by Allahpundit

“Thanks to a $5 million donation from a wealthy casino owner, a group supporting New Gingrich plans to place advertisements in South Carolina this week attacking Mitt Romney as a predatory capitalist who destroyed jobs and communities, adding a full-scale Republican dimension to an assault on Mr. Romney’s business background…

“The Bain-centered campaign strikes at the heart of Mr. Romney’s argument for his qualifications as president — that as a successful executive in the private sector, he learned how to create jobs — and advances an argument that President Obama’s re-election campaign has signaled it would employ aggressively against Mr. Romney.

“‘His business success comes from raiding and destroy businesses — putting people out of work, stealing their health care,’ said Rick Tyler, a senior adviser to the pro-Gingrich super PAC, Winning Our Future, which recently bought the film, ‘King of Bain: When Mitt Romney Came to Town,’ after groups backing two other Republican candidates passed up opportunities to use it…

“‘If this is free enterprise, then conservatives should have nothing to do with it,” [Tyler] said. ‘It is predatory paper-shuffling. Mitt Romney was engaged in the engineered destruction of free enterprise,’ including raiding workers’ pension and health care funds to finance corporate takeovers, he said.”

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“President Obama’s chief campaign strategist David Axelrod today on ‘This Week’ honed his two-pronged attack on GOP frontrunner Mitt Romney, insisting the former Bain Capital CEO’s record and shifting policy positions will undermine his general election appeal.

“‘Frankly I don’t think bringing a Bain mentality to this economy — to running this economy — makes him a strong candidate,’ Axelrod told me. ‘I don’t think shifting and moving around on positions – fundamental positions – is one that people are going to embrace.’…

“‘He is not a job creator he is a corporate raider,’ he added. ‘Those aren’t the values that we want to lead our economy.’”

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“The young men in business suits, gingerly picking their way among the millwrights, machinists and pipefitters at Kansas City’s Worldwide Grinding Systems steel mill. Gaping up at the cranes that swung 10-foot cast iron buckets through the air. Jumping at the thunder from the melt shop’s electric-arc furnace as it turned scrap metal into lava…

“Apparently they liked what they saw. Soon after, in October 1993, Bain Capital, co-founded by Mitt Romney, became majority shareholder in a steel mill that had been operating since 1888…

“Less than a decade later, the mill was padlocked and some 750 people lost their jobs. Workers were denied the severance pay and health insurance they’d been promised, and their pension benefits were cut by as much as $400 a month.

“What’s more, a federal government insurance agency had to pony up $44 million to bail out the company’s underfunded pension plan. Nevertheless, Bain profited on the deal, receiving $12 million on its $8 million initial investment and at least $4.5 million in consulting fees.”

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NEWT GINGRICH: Well, I — I haven’t seen the film, but it does reflect ‘The New York Times’ story two days ago about one particular company. And I think people should look at the film and decide. If it’s factually accurate, it raises questions.

I’m very much for free enterprise. I’m very much for exactly what the Governor just described, create a business, grow jobs, provide leadership.

I’m not nearly as enamored of a Wall Street model where you can flip companies, you can go in and have leveraged buyouts, you can basically take out all the money, leaving behind the workers.

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“Gingrich also repeatedly told viewers to watch a forthcoming anti-Romney movie that Gingrich supporters have bought the rights to. Newt claimed—implausibly—to not have seen it, though he does know that it clocks in at exactly 27 1/2 minutes.

“Newt continued with his bizarre attacks against Romney for being a successful businessman. Seemingly unaware that GOP primary voters worship at the altar of the free market, Gingrich has adopted the DNC attack line that Romney is a modern day Gordon Gekko who delights in laying off American workers to line his own pockets. In Gingrich’s world, lobbying for a sleazy quasi-governmental entity that played a role in the U.S. economic meltdown is preferable to creating wealth in the private sector. Good luck with that message in a Republican primary.”

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“If nothing else, you in the tea party movement have spent the last three years teaching Americans that we are in a battle for the very soul of capitalism. And here comes Romney, the soul of American capitalism in the flesh. Look back over his career as a predator drone at Bain Capital: Isn’t it the exact sort of background you always insist politicians ought to have as you wave your copy of ‘Atlas Shrugged’ in the air?

“It’s true that Romney said that the bank bailouts of 2008-09 were necessary, while you regard them as a mortal sin against free-market principles. But you shouldn’t hold this against him. Any study of bank history reveals that free-marketeers have no problem doling out, or grabbing for, government money when the chips are down…

“With Romney, a centimillionaire venture capitalist, carrying your banner in 2012, you will finally get to submit your capsized vision of social class to the verdict of the people — the actual flesh-and-blood people, that is, not the corporate ‘people’ who make up the S&P 500.”

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“[N]ot only is Romney’s Bain record on trial here, so is the whole idea of Schumpeterian, entrepreneurial capitalism where ‘creative destruction’ creates a massive net benefit for society. This is exactly the idea that the Obama reelection campaign is attacking as promoting unacceptable levels of inequality. (Apparently bad government investments — like in Solyndra — that lose jobs are OK.)”

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Via the pro-Gingrich Super PAC Winning Our Future:

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“I know what it’s like to worry about whether you’re going to get fired.”

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Via Mediaite.


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MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:05 AM
+ 100..:)
PS..Good to see you..:)
Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:11 AM

You holding up well during this primary season?

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM

When Romney flames out, it is my strong sense that should Walker win his re-election (should he face one), he will be THE ONLY candidate in 2016.

The others should stand down and save the money. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:09 AM

I’ve talked to some Tea Partiers including one who is the leader of a group in NE and they believe there is a good chance Walker could be the Tea Party backed GOP candidate in 2016. Some are licking their chops to get Scott in there by then. They know a winner when they see one in action.

He is gonna get a big fat check from me to help fight the recall election.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM

Once again TheRightMan has been proven right again.

I coined the term ‘bitter Palinistas’ several months ago and ascribed to them the surges of the Not-Romney Not-Perry candidates, primarily Cain, Gingrich, and Santorum.

Many denied there was such a group, including some on this forum who I identified as such.

As we stand on the verge of Perry being given a second look, members of the group have now come out into the open with virulent comments and vicious attacks.

They pretty much do NOT care if Romney wins the nomination.

Their mantra is that if not Palin, then no other major conservative, especially Perry, gets the nomination.

TheRightMan on January 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM

All candidates run negative ads about their opponents. Do you think they are going to run positive ads about their opponents? If they don’t have negative things to point out about their opponents, they should just drop out and endorse their opponent(s).

RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Hahahaha oh my. That is just too funny.
No dude – negative ads aren’t good ads.

You run effective positive ads talking about your message.
You run effective factual ads that talk about your opponent’s message – with citation.

This isn’t rocket science, folks.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM

You holding up well during this primary season?

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM

LoLz..I’m trying..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM

‘Baptized Catholic’ cuts no ice with me, especially since your guy continues to lie about all matters great and small on a fairly regular basis. I won’t presume to speak to God’s forgiveness, but do know a little about change and personal transformation. If Newt’s a new man, I’ve seen no evidence of it. He seems like the same old self-aggrandizing sleazeball I remember from the Clinton days.

troyriser_gopftw on January 9, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Gingrich could at least try to put on a better act. Clinton was a much better actor.

RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Mitt started the sh*tfest.

KirknBurker on January 8, 2012 at 11:28 PM
That’s right. As far as I am concerned – I hate sleazy people. Agreed Newt is sleazy too. I have no love for both of these. However I would love when Newt RIPS Romney.

antisocial on January 9, 2012 at 12:12 AM

Newt’s on Fox with the focus group in New Humpshire right now…Doing well! He needs to be in front of camera’s all the time, for his own good.

KOOLAID2 on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Hahahaha oh my. That is just too funny.
No dude – negative ads aren’t good ads.

You run effective positive ads talking about your message.
You run effective factual ads that talk about your opponent’s message – with citation.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Two words – John McCain.

RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

I have yet to donate a penny to anyone. I don’t even have a book. Now who got played?
MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:05 AM
Well, not me. I haven’t donated to anybody either and the only books I buy are sci-fi novels.
promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:14 AM

Then we should start a club.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

This attack angle from Newt is so lame. It makes him look like a Democrat on the attack. He should be coming at Romney from the Right on Romneycare and his flip-flops. This attack is a huge turn-off. Makes me dislike Newt.
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so thats all to dislike? your Ok with the Fannie Freddie Tiffany thought process?? I think the other side runs with hard that.

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM

He needs to be in front of camera’s all the time, for his own good.

KOOLAID2 on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Some duct tape wrapped around his mouth would be a better idea.

RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:21 AM

They pretty much do NOT care if Romney wins the nomination.

Their mantra is that if not Palin, then no other major conservative, especially Perry, gets the nomination.

TheRightMan on January 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM

That is a false choice RightMan. Most of Palin supporters if they moved on went to Newt. Some like Santorum. They don’t like the others and they loathe Mitt.

What’s interesting about people that comment at a site like C4P is that they’re independents, LGBT, young, faithful with a tinge of libertarian and they fear for the safety of this nation.

Other than that, your candidate Perry went down in flames all by himself.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:22 AM

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

No thanks. By the way, you don’t even have a conservative nominee by the looks of it. So who got played?

promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:22 AM

troyriser_gopftw on January 9, 2012 at 12:17 AM

You made the claim you could substantiate the claim, professor, yet you have repeatedly failed to do so. Furthermore, you’ve repeatedly insulted someone who challenged your ridiculously divisive statements and attempted to hang the “your stoopid” mantle on someone who has successfully called bullsh@t on your juvenile garbage.

Fail on wheels. Congratulations, junior. Lol! You have just experienced being schooled. Again. No worries though, there will be more.

MTLassen on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Two words – John McCain.

RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

Show me a voter who voted for John McCain instead of Palin. :)

Maybe Dire. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

You holding up well during this primary season?
MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:18 AM
LoLz..I’m trying..:)
Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:19 AM

Perhaps it’s good to stay busy with other things. It’s been getting a little nutty around here.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:13 AM

Great points on Palin vs Mitt.

Another reason I would never vote for Mitt. I would vote for Obama over him I will not make another McCain mistake. Many like me will I would venture so that counts double against Romney. We will not sit at home we will actively work against Romney and for Tea Party candidates.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Seriously, these attacks on capitalism are DISGUSTING.

Look, nobody likes it when people get fired, or they lose benefits, and so on. But guess what, this sort of creative destruction, CREATES JOBS! You don’t keep people around for positions that are eliminated you make a factory run more efficiently. You don’t keep a warehouse running when its losing money every day, and you don’t keep a company running when it doesn’t have any customers.

Yes its painful, yes it sucks when people lose their jobs, but business isn’t welfare! If by downsizing and reorganizing a company is lives to see another day, someday it’ll hire that number of employees back, and then some!

It’s disgusting that Obama, once again, it attacking capitalism and free enterprise. The fact that, NEWT GINGRICH of all people, somebody who swears up and down that he’s a true conservative, has bought the rights to an anti-capitalist propaganda piece, should DISQUALIFY the man from any further consideration.

*Fumes, FUMES.*

Seriously, I’m supporting Romney, but it’s astounding to me that Gingrich is out polling Perry right now. Gingrich doesn’t deserve it!

WolvenOne on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

I understand where you are coming from, but look how negative Palin is viewed, Romney made a calculation that he must arrive at the 2012 fight with as low as possible negative approval ratings,And therefor he avoided being in the spotlight for years, so when 2012 arrives he will be a fresh face on the scene…
OrthodoxJew on January 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Which is one reason I don’t respect Romney. Palin called out Obama and so she took the hits–but she was more concerned about what Obama was doing than about her approval rating..

INC on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Two words – John McCain.
RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM
Show me a voter who voted for John McCain instead of Palin. :)
Maybe Dire. :)
Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Megamac

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Freddie Mac is hitting Gingrich from the right.

Tiffany thing, eh, I could care less to be honest.

But the Pelosi couch, Freddie Mac lobbying, chased out of the House by his own party, health care lobbying, that’s all fair game. To whine that that’s all negative campaigning, is really to call the kettle black.

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Ditto

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:25 AM

Then we should start a club.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM

If you really wanted to create a club that would help CA society, you should create one called “CA Residents That Refuse to be Lazy” and your mission would be to return all of the shopping carts left at MULTIPLE retail locations in the Southern LA county region.

Get on that.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:27 AM

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM
No thanks. By the way, you don’t even have a conservative nominee by the looks of it. So who got played?
promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:22 AM

Me for taking Palin seriously? ;) ok, ok… Right now why not hope for a brokered convention. Hey, how bad could it get?

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:28 AM

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

Tee Hee!..I will vote for the GOP Nominee..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

I’ll take the adulterer who is a baptized Catholic now and has been forgiven his sins by God

KirknBurker on January 8, 2012 at 11:52 PM

Converts to Catholicism, if already baptized in another church (as Gingrich was), are not baptized again. Hence the “We confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” line in the Nicene Creed.

His love seat global warming flame is supposedly Catholic too. I am so sure she is also forgiven.

RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:17 AM

The Church holds that the only sins forgiven through baptism are original sin (the sin inherited through Adam) and actual sins committed by the recipient of the Sacrament of Baptism up to the point in his or her life at which he or she is baptized. Since her baptism occurred in infancy, Pelosi’s couch-sitting sins would not be forgiven. She’s like a hundred years old.

steebo77 on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

If you really wanted to create a club that would help CA society, you should create one called “CA Residents That Refuse to be Lazy” and your mission would be to return all of the shopping carts left at MULTIPLE retail locations in the Southern LA county region.
Get on that.
Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:27 AM

I take it you never met AnninCA…

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Mittbots need to understand the opposition’s feelings. If you must win, win nice. And seek unity above all else. Stress Mitt’s base-exciting aspects, if there are any.

anotherJoe on January 8, 2012 at 11:56 PM

It’s too late now. Mitt has been backstabbing people for years.

It is what he is. He is probably privately chummying up now over drinks with his advisers confident he has this thing wrapped up with all the big money on his side launching negative attacks.

Oh wait, we have a general election too. I forgot about that.

Idiots!

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

And therefor he avoided being in the spotlight for years, so when 2012 arrives he will be a fresh face on the scene…

OrthodoxJew on January 8, 2012 at 11:49 PM

Looks like it’s working. He’s the only candidate who matches Obama toe-to-toe right now.

The problem with the Tea Party movement was that there was no organization, no unanimous leader truly came out of it. The only person was Palin and she didn’t show up. Organizations like the Tea Party Express are a joke, nothing more than self-appointed, unelected carpetbaggers. You can’t blame Romney for that. You can’t blame Romney that Bachmann and Perry turned out to be lightweights.

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Negative ads are to be expected. What reflects poorly on Newt is that he embraces the narrative of the left.

For example, you can attack Mitt for being out of touch. There have been many great financiers thru history. J P Morgan, etc. etc. but they have never been elected president. We don’t want Warren Buffet to run the country, because business acumen is a great thing, but does not equal President leadership or temperament

That is why Mitt is not the one to lead us to the future…a financial person has great, but limited, skills

See? That’s how you can do it, without making Axelrod’s day.

Now I grant, the emotional, scurrilous, demagogic nature of Newt’s ad is probably more impactful…which is why the left has a natural edge among the dim.

The truth is that companies fail…okay? Very tragic things happen all the time…and they have happened always and forever.

And no empty suit demagogue like barry can change that fact

r keller on January 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM

steebo77 on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Bullsh*t!

You don’t go through the conversion process without the Sacrament of Reconciliation BEFORE you receive Christ’s Body & Blood.

Gingrich is now a more religious man at a minimum than Romney.

Although I’ll admit that isn’t saying much given Romney’s phoniness.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Tee Hee!..I will vote for the GOP Nominee..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

The problem with that is, that is not how campaigns are won.

You will need to get out and phone-bank, among other volunteer duties. So get ready to get on that Romney fan bus.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM

I take it you never met AnninCA…

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Ann is not a shopping cart left all over the parking lot of MANY retail stores. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM

It’s too late now. Mitt has been backstabbing people for years.

Oh wait, we have a general election too. I forgot about that. Idiots!

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:29 AM

Are you serious? If Mitt was such a backstabber, how is it possible he has a magnitude more Republican endorsements than Newt Gingrich? Who is the true backstabber here? Either the entire GOP is eating sh!t and only Newt knows better, or Newt is the one eating sh!t. And if you actually think the entire GOP is eating sh!t, perhaps it’s time to throw in the towel and start your own party. Freedom of assembly is all yours. But it’s going to look really ridiculous with Newt Gingrich heading it.

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I understand but I willvote for Romney if he is nominee for the GOP..:)

PS..Can You say that?..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:35 AM

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Then don’t get your tighties in a bunch when Mitt goes down in flames.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:36 AM

The truth is that companies fail…okay? Very tragic things happen all the time…and they have happened always and forever.

And no empty suit demagogue like barry can change that fact

r keller on January 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM

Why don’t we go find Mr. Peabody and take a spin in his Wayback Machine to about three weeks before the Iowa Caucus. Then you can witness what those negative adds actually were.

Then you can put yourself in the shoes of the other candidates and their supporters and maybe GET A CLUE why this was a foolish thing for the Mitbots to do.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:36 AM

The Palin phenom is hard to quantify amongst the electability of these candidates. Her goal is to defeat the socialist. And I taken nothing away from her though, as I think she is largely responsible for the 2010 shellacking and breathed life into the Tea Party going forward. The media will never given her her due.
That being said, she is on the sidelines. “Bitter Palinistas” that would not support a Romney nominee are going against what SHE believes in- as far as removing the Corruptor in Chief. LET THE democrites REPLAY 2008 !! Time to move forward.

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 12:37 AM

I understand but I willvote for Romney if he is nominee for the GOP..:)

PS..Can You say that?..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:35 AM

Since it’s a free country, I plead the 5th. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Ann is not a shopping cart left all over the parking lot of MANY retail stores. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:34 AM

How do you know?

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:38 AM

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:01 AM

Different strokes for different folks, but I can’t do the Doc!

KOOLAID2 on January 9, 2012 at 12:38 AM

The fact that, NEWT GINGRICH of all people, somebody who swears up and down that he’s a true conservative, has bought the rights to an anti-capitalist propaganda piece, should DISQUALIFY the man from any further consideration.

WolvenOne on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

If you’re going to refer to a fact, it would be helpful if you had the fact straight.

Supporters of Newt Gingrich have bought the rights to a new short movie that is very critical of Mitt Romney’s tenure as head of Bain Capital…

…It was made by former Romney supporters and intersperses interviews with some workers who blame Romney’s company for losing their jobs with ominous music…

ABC News

Flora Duh on January 9, 2012 at 12:39 AM

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Palin already said on Saturday night that Mitt would go down in flames.

She said it on Judge Pirro’s show. It was one of those “bam!” moments.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM

I understand but I willvote for Romney if he is nominee for the GOP..:)

PS..Can You say that?..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:35 AM

I won’t. I will take a gamble, and patiently wait for Scott Walker or Jindal or conservative with a solid record by 2016 and pray Obama does not get the opportunity to replace one of the four conservatives on the court or Kennedy.

Romney is a progressive and does not have it in him to push reform of DC.

Spending will continue to rise at a rate that will still be too high at over 20% of GDP.

We need a strong leader who is not afraid to take on the huge challenges we face.

Brains are a dime a dozen. Courage and leadership are what we need NOW.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:28 AM

When? :) You wanted her out of the room so that one of your boys like Perry could have it all. Well, she is out of the room.

promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Then don’t get your tighties in a bunch when Mitt goes down in flames.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:36 AM

You know what, I don’t think Mitt will. I think this is more a projection of your own candidate who is looking at a 5th place finish here in New Hampshire just a month after predicting that he was going to be the nominee.

WMUR poll tonight: Romney 41, Paul 17, Huntsman 11, Santorum 11, Newt 8

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

How do you know?

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:38 AM

Even if she were an inanimate object, she is merely one object. Californians leave many carts, because they’re lazy. So your point is moot. :)

Enjoy that 9.75% sales tax though. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

When? :) You wanted her out of the room so that one of your boys like Perry could have it all. Well, she is out of the room.

promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM

You either have me confused with someone or you misread what I have said in the past.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:43 AM

His love seat global warming flame is supposedly Catholic too. I am so sure she is also forgiven.

RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:17 AM

Although I don’t know, I’d doubt it. Pelosi believes in abortion. Big disqualifier.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Freddie Mac is hitting Gingrich from the right.

Tiffany thing, eh, I could care less to be honest.

But the Pelosi couch, Freddie Mac lobbying, chased out of the House by his own party, health care lobbying, that’s all fair game. To whine that that’s all negative campaigning, is really to call the kettle black.

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Maybe I am older that you but Newt was destroyed by the MSM and then the Rockefeller Republicans (like Romney, and Trent Lott) as well. In the end he gave up a losing fight and resigned. A person can only take so much and at the time Newt had no real belief system he was a weak Baptist or Lutheran. Now since it is politically convenient for his conversion to Catholicism I question it but it is undeniable that his newest wife has sung for the Basilica for years and he attended at first (or always) to hear her sing. But it is a much stronger case than Mitts 2005 conversion to conservative from extremely liberal Independent.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Two words – John McCain.
RasThavas on January 9, 2012 at 12:20 AM
Show me a voter who voted for John McCain instead of Palin. :)
Maybe Dire. :)
Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Megamac

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

I voted for Palin in the last election…not pump fist!

KOOLAID2 on January 9, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Truly, if the Supreme Court votes against the mandate, the conservative cause will vote even less. I’m waiting til May til I really care. :)

Until then I stress myself with law school applications. And tears. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:44 AM

Bullsh*t!

You don’t go through the conversion process without the Sacrament of Reconciliation BEFORE you receive Christ’s Body & Blood.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:32 AM

I never said anything to that effect. I merely pointed out that Christians already baptized in other denominations (including Newt Gingrich) are not re-baptized upon their acceptance into the Church. They do, however, most definitely receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation (entirely distinct from the Sacrament of Baptism) prior to receiving the Sacrament of the Eucharist.

steebo77 on January 9, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Even if she were an inanimate object, she is merely one object. Californians leave many carts, because they’re lazy. So your point is moot. :)

I think you’re missing whatever attempt I had at a point (it was more an implication about the nature of my handle).

Enjoy that 9.75% sales tax though. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

I will, if I visit.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:45 AM

You can’t blame Romney for that. You can’t blame Romney that Bachmann and Perry turned out to be lightweights.

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:30 AM

You can blame Romney for Bachmann because she was his stooge. You can blame Romney for all the underhanded tactics to destroy Palin and keep he rout of the election. It may have done great things ot his ambition but not so much for the country.

promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:47 AM

AS far as Global Warming very little proof that Global Warming was a farce was available when Newt made that stupid ad with the evil Poliski.

Go to WhatsUpWithThat.com if you have questions. Great clearinghouse for real scientist not bought and paid for by Al Gore etc.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:47 AM

WMUR poll tonight: Romney 41, Paul 17, Huntsman 11, Santorum 11, Newt 8

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Haner – Keep up. I have no candidate. :) I think all of them suck. At this point, go with Huntsman.

Polls don’t mean anything. Romney was the only one to beat. The fact that Romney’s PAC went negative says more about Romney’s ineffectiveness as a candidate.

If you are going to be a free campaign worker for Romney, so be it. Hop on that train now, but I don’t see millions of people beating down campaign offices for Romney. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:48 AM

You either have me confused with someone or you misread what I have said in the past.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:43 AM

Nope.

promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:48 AM

But the Pelosi couch, Freddie Mac lobbying, chased out of the House by his own party, health care lobbying, that’s all fair game. To whine that that’s all negative campaigning, is really to call the kettle black.

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:24 AM

You’re right that all those things are fair crticisms of Newt.

However, Mittens is even worse with this:

1. Romneycare with it’s funding for abortions and planned parenthood.
2. Waffling on global warming
3. Having John Holdren as an advisor for carbon caps in MA.
4. supporting Ethanol subsidies
5. Appointing liberal judges in MA.
6. MA being 49th in job creation under him.
7. Raising numerous fees as MA governor.
8. Refusing to call Maobama a socialist.
9. Not being able to handle a Bret Baier interview.
10. Being non existent on the issues of the day over the last 3 years.
11. Saying the era of Reagan was over while running against Ted Kennedy.

Apologies for anything I left off.

LevinFan on January 9, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Flora Duh on January 9, 2012 at 12:39 AM

And that’s not anti-capitalist propaganda how?

The freedom to fire employees when its not working out, is an integral part of capitalism! Furthermore, anybody that has had a position of real responsibility in private industry has done to do it on one scale or another at one point in time.

If firing people disqualifies people from being President, then the ONLY people that can run for that office are people that have been a part of government for their, ENTIRE LIVES!

Besides, we kinda WANT to downsize the federal government right now. You know, the whole crippling debt thing? Remember that? It’s that thing that’ll destroy us all? You know, the debt, hello?

WolvenOne on January 9, 2012 at 12:49 AM

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 12:37 AM

Palin already said on Saturday night that Mitt would go down in flames.

She said it on Judge Pirro’s show. It was one of those “bam!” moments.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Palin knows that turnout by the base and Tea Party will be lower with Romney leading the ticket, and she is convinced that Axelrod & Co. want to face Romney because of how easy it will be to attack him and caricature him as the cold heartless corporate raider.

Heck he even put his family dog on top of a car for 12 hours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU

By November, his say anything to get elected nonsense will lead peoople to conclude he is just another liar like Obama.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Nope.

promachus on January 9, 2012 at 12:48 AM

You’re wrong.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:50 AM

I will, if I visit.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:45 AM

Well then your ID makes no sense. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Enjoy that 9.75% sales tax though. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Sales tax is 0% in New Hampshire and 6.25% in Massachusetts statewide (was 5% under Romney, but Obama’s mini-me Deval Patrick bumped it up after Romney left).

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Well then your ID makes no sense. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I tried to give you a clue.

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 12:53 AM

LevinFan on January 9, 2012 at 12:48 AM

Could add a few.
12. Overrode the people who voted to lower State tax from 5.3% to 5%.
13. Stood by and said nothing when the people called a Constitutional Convention to undo Gay Marriage decision and the MA Senate President closed without a vote on it.
14. Worked hand in hand for all Gay Rights until 2005 when he decided to run for President.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:54 AM

steebo77 on January 9, 2012 at 12:45 AM
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Any idea on how the anullment process(es) went ?? How much more obummer fodder does newter have there?

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 12:54 AM

(was 5% under Romney, but Obama’s mini-me Deval Patrick bumped it up after Romney left).

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:51 AM

Nope Romney killed the 5% and made sure it stayed at 5.3% while raising every fee imaginable and creating many more fees. But are right things got worse with Duval Obamas mentor in many political ways.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:57 AM

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:38 AM

I’m cool with that if that is how you feel..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Then you can put yourself in the shoes of the other candidates and their supporters and maybe GET A CLUE why this was a foolish thing for the Mitbots to do.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:36 AM

Actually I’m in no camp. I’m just observing and judging candidates.

Here’s the problem…Mitt is NOT charismatic in the least…he looks a little too nerdy. In fact we don’t have an appealing candidate.

(for example, at NRO there was a post on how Christie smacked down an occupy person…sounds beautiful)

I what I thought was a very good critique of why Mitt should not be president in my post…hardly a mitt.bot.

If Perry can string together some really good appearances…maybe. He actually looks the part of a real person.

But i don’t like the leftist meme that newt feeds into. It undercuts the principles of what I feel are best for the country

r keller on January 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:50 AM
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Do you not think Axelcrud is not going to trash whomever ? there equal opportunity propagandists— ahve you forgotten ??

So is Axelcrud your litmus test anyway ?? $1 billion dollars is gonna steam roll whomever survives primary.

You saw last night Romney is most experienced to handle that… and Bain = Solyndra, maybe worse. Mittens will remind Axelcrud of that.

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM

Fine..Take your gamble..I’m going to vote for the GOP nominee and try to get rid of Obie..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Could add a few.
12. Overrode the people who voted to lower State tax from 5.3% to 5%.
13. Stood by and said nothing when the people called a Constitutional Convention to undo Gay Marriage decision and the MA Senate President closed without a vote on it.
14. Worked hand in hand for all Gay Rights until 2005 when he decided to run for President.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:54 AM

Thanks, I’ve added them to my list.

LevinFan on January 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Sales tax is 0% in New Hampshire and 6.25% in Massachusetts statewide (was 5% under Romney, but Obama’s mini-me Deval Patrick bumped it up after Romney left).

haner on January 9, 2012 at 12:51 AM

I don’t live in NH or MA so what’s your point?

How much of that money is attributed to health care in Mass?

WI has a roughly 5.5% rate (it varies by counties apparently) so the percentage doesn’t matter. It’s what you spend it on.

WI has no mandated insurance.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 1:02 AM

And that’s not anti-capitalist propaganda how?

The freedom to fire employees when its not working out, is an integral part of capitalism! Furthermore, anybody that has had a position of real responsibility in private industry has done to do it on one scale or another at one point in time.

If firing people disqualifies people from being President, then the ONLY people that can run for that office are people that have been a part of government for their, ENTIRE LIVES!

Besides, we kinda WANT to downsize the federal government right now. You know, the whole crippling debt thing? Remember that? It’s that thing that’ll destroy us all? You know, the debt, hello?

WolvenOne on January 9, 2012 at 12:49 AM

Go ahead, try to win with that attitude of firing employees and workers is WAY COOL! You’ll be just like the judge coming up for re-election in “Miracle on 34th Street” thinking how CORRECT and Right he was to make a decision that the nice old man was NOT Santa Claus.

He’d be right alright. And ….he’d…LOSE!

Enjoy retirement Mitt. Back to your Scrooge McDuck ‘moneyswim’.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 1:03 AM

But i don’t like the leftist meme that newt feeds into. It undercuts the principles of what I feel are best for the country

r keller on January 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Well, Newt is a progressive, so what else would you expect from him? /Glenn Beck

MeatHeadinCA on January 9, 2012 at 1:04 AM

AS far as Global Warming very little proof that Global Warming was a farce was available when Newt made that stupid ad with the evil Poliski.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 12:47 AM

The Speaker has said that the PSA with Pelosi was one of the stupidest things he’s done, and man did he get that right.

He’s also testified before congress against Global Warming and Cap & Trade.

Flora Duh on January 9, 2012 at 1:07 AM

You saw last night Romney is most experienced to handle that… and Bain = Solyndra, maybe worse. Mittens will remind Axelcrud of that.

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Bain is not Solyndra.

Bain is a private entity.
Obama did not control Solyndra. His political backers did.
If anything, Bain is like GM.
That was a poor analogy on Wallace’s part.

The OWS movement was full of a lot of negative things, but a lot of the sentiment is felt by both the tea party and independents alike. That message will sink Romney. Period.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 1:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OQoBxZZPqU
KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 12:50 AM

Thank you for link. Hard to believe Mitt supported the Obama Stimulus but there he is supporting it and wishing GW Bush had caved in to the Democrats and done it earlier. This is only four years ago people. This man is nearly as liberal as Harry Reid it seems.

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Gingrich and the rest of you anti-capitalists should quit the Tea Party and join Occupy Wall Street.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Adjoran on January 9, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Newt’s main problem is Fannie and Freddie. I could discount a lot of his other stuff. It’s part of political life. But Fannie and Freddie – oof.

That said, every line that Newt would say in a debate (if there were a debate) would be, “I balanced the federal budget. Did you?” and then Obama would look dumbfounded, per usual.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 1:10 AM

WolvenOne on January 9, 2012 at 12:49 AM

I didn’t comment one way or the other on the content of the ‘movie’. I simply pointed out that you were wrong in stating that it was a fact the Speaker had the purchased rights to it.

Flora Duh on January 9, 2012 at 1:10 AM

Flora Duh on January 9, 2012 at 1:07 AM

You are right just pointing out that Global Warming while important for people to know the truth it is a farce now. Not so in the past before the farce was widely known. So I do not hold this against Romney either(unless he is lying about it now).

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Gingrich and the rest of you anti-capitalists should quit the Tea Party and join Occupy Wall Street.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Adjoran on January 9, 2012 at 1:08 AM

We are staunch capitalists. We simply know who Romney is:

a corporate raider who as governor was a leftist/statist.

You can’t hide his past. And the Dems are going to dig it aaaaaaaalllllll up.

I can almost see the horns sticking out of his head now when the media is done with him.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 1:12 AM

The bitter Perry fanboys and girls and the Romneybots,
Are both annoying and their attitude towards Palin is awful. The same bitter Perryboys that said Palin was going to endorse Perry when he entered. I knew she wouldn’t because he lied to her and now he is a guaranteed loser heck he has less chance than Palin of being the nominee and he is the race while she is not. Romneybots have been threatened since Palin arrived on the scene. They know how powerful she is and that she really is the only that could beat or break Romney. It drives the Romneybots crazy when Palin speaks. I love it. I love the Romneybots losing their flippin’ minds.

CoolChange80 on January 9, 2012 at 1:15 AM

When Romney flames out, it is my strong sense that should Walker win his re-election (should he face one), he will be THE ONLY candidate in 2016.

The others should stand down and save the money. :)

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 12:09 AM

Even in the unlikely event Romney is the incumbent, I would want Walker to primary him in 2016. Walker has done some amazing stuff in WI and has the brass balls to go with his true government reform.

karenhasfreedom on January 9, 2012 at 1:15 AM

The OWS movement was full of a lot of negative things, but a lot of the sentiment is felt by both the tea party and independents alike. That message will sink Romney. Period.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 1:07 AM
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NOW your with the OWS??? Do you listen to yourself? Bain:Solyndra was RIGHT ON TARGET as debunking smear of Mittens with a direct link in Bain in EVERY aspect of every investment. Solyndra was Calculated and signed off by Obie- And Mitts time at bain ’85-’99 were the more prosperous years economically in recent years. How awful was it really? Do not fear the democrite talking points.

You better be ready to fight hard- cause thats what its going to take- but if you already fallen prey to the media/OWS bullshit and want to give DC a pass- go ahead

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 1:15 AM

So I do not hold this against Romney either(unless he is lying about it now).

Steveangell on January 9, 2012 at 1:11 AM

Neither do I.

Flora Duh on January 9, 2012 at 1:15 AM

Gingrich and the rest of you anti-capitalists should quit the Tea Party and join Occupy Wall Street.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Adjoran on January 9, 2012 at 1:08 AM

Yups, the hatred for Romney has blind sided a lot of good people here at HA, I am almost to the point where i am afraid most commentators here don’t even know what free market means, they only get their updates from Rush & Levine and since they are silent because you know why, therefor it is not against free markets to criticize Romney’s Bain history,

A good lesson learned this election, I who support the so called communist Romney is much more pro capitalism and conservative, then the True conservatives who want to stop Romney at any cost

OrthodoxJew on January 9, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Fine..Take your gamble..I’m going to vote for the GOP nominee and try to get rid of Obie..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 1:01 AM

Great. And don’t complain when federal spending continues at 24.5%+ of GDP under the ‘businessman’ Romney.

He’s a snake, or that forked tongue is simply a birth defect.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Yups, the hatred for Romney has blind sided a lot of good people here at HA, I am almost to the point where i am afraid most commentators here don’t even know what free market means, they only get their updates from Rush & Levine and since they are silent because you know why, therefor it is not against free markets to criticize Romney’s Bain history,

A good lesson learned this election, I who support the so called communist Romney is much more pro capitalism and conservative, then the True conservatives who want to stop Romney at any cost

OrthodoxJew on January 9, 2012 at 1:16 AM

I’ll tell you what free markets are:

NOT forcing people to buy health insurance they don’t need, want or can afford.

Romneycare is proving to be a disaster as it gradually spins out of control and proves at the state level why O-care can’t work.

And Mitt won’t kill it because he really thinks it was cool.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 1:19 AM

I would love to see Mandate Mitt get paid back with interest for his stealth attacks on Palin in the form of operatives lying about her and furthermore I would love to see Newt get his revenge.I would vote third party before I vote Mitt.

Frankly I wouldn’t mind a Gingrich/Palin Ticket.

CoolChange80 on January 9, 2012 at 1:20 AM

* SIGH *

All this blood in the water at this point is becoming meaningless. All it does is help the opposition and saves
them money.

I say this to the current field of candidates: None of you will be or are the second coming of Ronald Reagan, I understand that – we all do. As such, holding the mantle of Conservative Leader is not going to be awarded to you.

However, I believe a majority of us in the party WILL support a candidate that WILL win, WANT to win, and LEAD the country and not expect power and respect to be handed to them by fiat.

That said, I will write off the 2012 election as a vote of necessity. I hope for the candidate to run hard, and appeal to the masses but i WILL campaign, support, go door to door for ANY candidate that will officially drop out of the 2012 and support the remaining nominees NOW, so as to maximize the run up to the election by spending money attacking Obama, not each other.

We may have to support the eventual nominee, but I say this to the GOP establishment; The Conservative/Tea party memebers of the GOP will have 4 years to make our feelings known during the congressional races up till then AND the Party Leadership positions coming soon.

BlaxPac on January 9, 2012 at 1:21 AM

You better be ready to fight hard- cause thats what its going to take- but if you already fallen prey to the media/OWS bullshit and want to give DC a pass- go ahead

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 1:15 AM

I don’t mind the message of getting money out of politics. All you have to do to an OWS member is say, “Hey did ya know that Obama was busy spend X amount of money on his re-election campaign?” and then you won the argument.

It is a false assumption to not think that part of the OWS message does not resonate with people. Even Palin acknowledged this.

Mitt can fight his own battles. I’m not in his camp.

Midwestprincesse on January 9, 2012 at 1:21 AM

He’s a snake, or that forked tongue is simply a birth defect.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 1:16 AM
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OK , Fine. You despise mittens. Who’s your guy ? Who weathers the Chicago machine and wins?
Please tell us your best choice to beat obummer?

FlaMurph on January 9, 2012 at 1:21 AM

Frankly I wouldn’t mind a Gingrich/Palin Ticket.

CoolChange80 on January 9, 2012 at 1:20 AM

At a minimum, it would be better than Mitt/anybody.

He is a big government guy based on his past record.

At the minimum Newt balance a budget, reformed welfare, helped win back the Congress after a 40-year draught.

Romney has NOTHING even close to the accomplishments of Newt, Perry, Santorum, or even Ron Paul.

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 1:22 AM

KirknBurker on January 9, 2012 at 1:16 AM

Guess we will have to just wait and see (providing Romney is the GOP nominee)..BUT I know what Obie is going to do..I’ll take the GOP train..:)

Dire Straits on January 9, 2012 at 1:23 AM

If Romney is the GOP Presidential nominee, he will be eviscerated in the general election, leading to Obama’s re-election and the Democrats may well keep control of the Senate.

john.frank on January 9, 2012 at 1:23 AM

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It drives the Romneybots crazy when Palin speaks. I love it. I love the Romneybots losing their flippin’ minds.

CoolChange80 on January 9, 2012 at 1:15 AM

BTW i forgot to ask you how much write in votes Palin received in IA???

Is it true that she got ZERO, And i thought it was an easy five word, So you spent 200K on ads to ask voters in IA to write in Palin and you got nothing? Maybe its time to let this obsession about Palin a rest

Coming from a former Palin guy, who can’t understand why a small amount of Palin supporters are acting as if they are insane, And she is somehow totally winning this thing secretly

OrthodoxJew on January 9, 2012 at 1:23 AM

I hate this line of attack on Romney, and I don’t like Romney. How many companies and jobs did BAIN save by taking them over? You don’t pull leveraged buyouts of strong companies that aren’t already in trouble of going out of business. How about Newt and his Super PAC go after RomneyCare? Unbelievable.

holygoat on January 9, 2012 at 1:25 AM

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