Double Dip Debate Dishing

posted at 12:00 pm on January 8, 2012 by Jazz Shaw

After a rather nice break from the debate circuit over the holidays, they were back with a vengeance this weekend, with two of them barely 12 hours apart. Last night, Ed weighed in with his own review of the Saturday evening event on ABC, and it was followed up by an NBC/Facebook showdown this morning. While it seems a rather short fuse for anyone to catch up to Romney’s lead in the polls in New Hampshire, the candidates did their best to make their case before the voters.

For the Saturday night event, there are already a few good reviews out there for you to take a look at. Michael Barone felt that Mitt Romney pretty much locked up the nomination in one fell swoop. I think that may be a bit of an overstatement, but it certainly seemed like old patterns emerged quickly and the rest of the field let Mitt off the hook. Matt Lewis explains it as being, The Tragedy of the Conservatives.

In this case, the conservative alternatives to Romney aren’t being selfish by overusing a shared resource — they are, instead, selfishly preserving their reputations.

By playing nice, each candidate is acting in his own rational self interest — but it just so happens to be an existential threat to the group, collectively.

Individually, this makes perfect sense. Some of the candidates, by now, know they cannot win. As such, they have little incentive to attack Romney. (Perhaps he will give them a position in his administration if they help him? Maybe he would counter-attack them and make them look bad if they criticize him? Or maybe they just want to be thought of as “nice”?)

Meanwhile, the candidates who think they can win — Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich — probably believe their best shot at the nomination is to finish second in New Hampshire. And while going “negative” in a debate may hurt Romney, it would also tarnish their reputation, as well.

Doug Mataconis is equally perplexed as to how Romney keeps seeming to waltz away without taking so much as a scratch.

If there’s been one recurring theme from the 14 debates that the Republican candidates for President have had since last May, it’s been the extent to which the putative frontrunner, the guy that all the other candidates supposedly hate and who several have said has more in common with Barack Obama than your average Republican has walked away without taking any real heat from his opponents. It happened when Tim Pawlenty backed away from his “ObamneyCare” comments. It happened when Rick Perry failed to effectively distinguish himself from Romney. It happened after Perry faded when candidates like Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich were making their climb in the polls. Last night at St. Anslem College in Manchester, New Hampshire, it happened again

I won’t add much more to that for the Saturday night event except to say that Mitt does much better by dint of his demeanor than he does from any dramatic, visionary policy statements or conservative fighting words. On the few occasions where he was criticized by the other candidates, his smile never faded and he remained calm and focused. This left some of the rest of the field looking rather desperate to get into the mix, which only plays to Mitt’s benefit.

The Sunday morning event, hosted by NBC and Facebook, started off as nothing short of a disaster. The lead moderator, David Gregory, spent the opening segment doing nothing but firing off political talking points and trying to get the candidates to snipe at each other. Those of us following on Twitter noted that it was literally fifteen minutes into the debate before the first question on policy was asked, and even then it was only after Ron Paul chided Gregory over the unsubstantial nature of the topics.

There were a few shots taken at Mitt, but as usual he simply kept smiling, stayed even in tone, and soon the rest of the field were back to taking shots at each other. When the questions finally did swing around to policy, though, there were a number of memorable moments. Mitt, Rick Perry, Santorum and Newt all got in some good points on reforming entitlement programs and American energy policy. While the moderation by NBC was, in my opinion, pretty much a FAIL across the board, the candidates eventually managed to hold a good policy discussion amongst themselves.

Yet again, Mitt seems to have come off as “winning” by virtue of not being bloodied to any great degree. Rick Perry turned in a strong performance in both appearances, but was once again not given enough camera time to really make a huge impact, so I don’t know how much this helps him heading into South Carolina. Newt Gingrich, as usual, was a strong debater who got in some hard hitting quips, but unlike his previous performances, he seemed a bit back on his heels at times. Not terrible, but not his best work. Ron Paul and Jon Huntsman were pretty much their usual selves, but neither did anything which struck me as game changing. Santorum drew a lot of heat, which is appropriate given his new top tier status, and handled most of the pressure pretty well. The only problem I had with his performance was the feeling that he always seems to come off as being somewhat angry, or at least surly. He demonstrates a very serious demeanor, but I don’t know if that grimacing, hostile tone will play well with the voters.

Related: Dr. James Joyner asks, Is Jon Huntsman the future of the GOP? (My answer was, “he’d need to be the future because he’s clearly not the present.)

In any event, that was the last chance these candidates had to shine before the nation’s first primary on Tuesday. There will be another debate in South Carolina on Monday, January 16th which will be held on Fox. Remember… this is a marathon, not a sprint, and we’ve only just made it out of the starting gate.


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Once again blatant lying about Romney’s record. MASS was on the way to a single payer system with a democratic super majority demanding it. Mitt managed to take it down a notch and even then many of the reforms that he wanted were overridden and many things he didn’t want were added in.

I’m sure you’ll keep ignoring reality though since it doesn’t add up with your ROMNEY = OMGOBAMA hysteria.

Ruiner on January 8, 2012 at 12:35 PM

Ummm….NO. Massachusetts was not on the verge of single payer. There were two advocacy groups and a couple of cranks pushing for “universal” coverage, and only one of their proposals was single-payer. And there was no “Democratic supermajority” in favor of single payer either. (Did you read the House and Senate bills?) The primary motivation from what became RomneyCare was to prevent the Feds from withdrawing $385 million/yr. in special funding that MA was receiving, which they had threatened to do. It was not to deflect a single-payer juggernaut.

Romney’s two primary contributions were convincing Democrats to go along with an individual mandate in exchange for watering down an employer mandate, and the creation of the Connector, which gets to tell me what kind insurance I have to buy.

And by the way, the same people who were pushing for single payer in 2004-2006 are pushing for it now, and they’re getting a lot of attention. In fact, given what has happened to insurance premiums, access to physicians and the state budget as a result of the reforms, they’re able to make a case for it.

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:33 PM

Perry is fighting back.

Gotta Name…Gotta Name…Got a Name? to that Politico Hack.

Bluff to Bachmann to get her out before these two debates.

And he scooped the traditional media by Tweeting his resolve to head to SC.

Gig Em’
Perry 2012

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 1:45 PM

President Romney will (and must) appoint strict constructionists to the bench or he won’t survive a primary challenge in 2016. You dance w those who brung you in this business.

matthew8787 on January 8, 2012 at 1:20 PM

Sorry, I’m hoping we can survive until the 2012 elections. Forget 2016, we don’t have that kind of time.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Add me to your laceration of The Rightman. I am considering “abstaining”. I don’t want to be a part of this sham.

MY FINAL TAKE ON THIS DEBATE: THE WINNER IS PERRY … simply for tweeting that his followers must go to church instead of watching this fake blame and mudslinging game called debate.

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 1:42 PM

I will.

It’s disgraceful and pathetic.

You’re just going to take your ball and go home?? I’m a Palin supporter and I’m fighting for inferiour candidates already.

Perry’s not going to win. After he drops out what are you going to tell your kids about what you did to stop socialism?

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

The Republicans have learned one lesson well, don’t let the LSM get away with anything. The Democrats looked so petty, back in 2008, by avoiding a debate on Fox News. This year the Republicans have taken the debates on the alphabet networks and, for the most part, they’ve looked good.

Stephanopolous showed he was little more than a Democrat stooge, which makes you wonder why they bothered bring him back to be the moderator on This Week. Of course, Gregory is even worse and how he gets to keep his job, I’ll never know.

Every time Fox does a debate, they ask tough questions and get substance from the candidates. People are beginning to realize what media bias really is and that Fox News is a class act.

bflat879 on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Even Mittens is better than Maobama. Wake up.

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM

As is frequently said, “a ham sandwich is better than Obama” – that isn’t a case *for* the ham sandwich, it’s a case *against* Obama.

And in this instance, a ham sandwich is, in my opinion, better than Romney as well.

A ham sandwich has *none* of the patently liberal achievements that Romney has.

I, for one, am not going to give the GOP one damn more “well this guy sucks, but he’s not as bad as the DNC gun” vote. NOT. ONE. MORE.

I’m going to write-in “ham sandwich” if need be, but I am *not* going to vote *for* Romney.

Midas on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

And by the way, the same people who were pushing for single payer in 2004-2006 are pushing for it now, and they’re getting a lot of attention. In fact, given what has happened to insurance premiums, access to physicians and the state budget as a result of the reforms, they’re able to make a case for it.

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

All of us have been paying for Romneycare & it’s bastard child Obamacare will bankrupt the states.

For that we can all thank public servant Willard bastardly Romney…Obamalite!

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Perry’s not going to win. After he drops out what are you going to tell your kids about what you did to stop socialism?

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

You going to tell yours you voted for socialism-lite?

Midas on January 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

The MTP debate was more interesting which was a real shock, for the most part moderates were inside the dodge ball circle, for a change.

Perry is better but still not up to snuff, Newt had some good offerings but had a little phony vibe of his own.

Will someone take on Ron Paul’s lack of honesty?

Speakup on January 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Listens: Bork is leading a distinguished selection panel on Romney’s behalf, including many conservative lawyers of immpecable prestige.

Don’t take my word for it, look it up. Coulter and others have written on this as well.

matthew8787 on January 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

In state tuition for illegals?

Call conservatives heartless?

Vaccine mandate??

Crony capitalism??

Having spending increase 3X over his tenure?

Perry has his own set of problems, but he’s better than Mittens.

The best candidate would’ve been Sarah and she ain’t running.

Saying you’re going to abstain and not vote if Perry doesn’t win makes you sound like a little kid.

Even Mittens is better than Maobama. Wake up.

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I would take the time to defend Perry on any of those charges you’ve made against him. Never mind the fact that most are outright fabrications from liberal Texas media debunked by myself and other Perry supporters several times in this same forum.

Let me direct you to a RedState diary written by a wonderful Perry supporter that debunks with more facts than I can amass in my Hot Air comment every one of the untruths against Rick Perry.

Look, you can complain all you want about Perry’s record but you cannot debunk the FACT that he is the ONLY small-Govt. conservative and ardent proponent of federalism left in the race.

If you seriously believe the earmark/pork loving Santorum or the big Govt. Washington Insider Gingrich are better choices in terms of records than Perry, then go ahead and vote for them.

But, remember, YOU get to live with YOUR choice FOREVER! Amen.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:24 PM

Thanks and you are right. Many, including some of the Candidates like to call themselves Conservative. But who they support and or endorse is what counts. Walking the talk is the proof. Anyone can “talk”, ask B.O., LOL

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Perry’s Romney’s not going to win. After he drops out what are you going to tell your kids about what you did to stop socialism?
how good will you feel to support a successful conservative with the best record…Gov. Perry
LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

fify

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 1:51 PM

Listens: Bork is leading a distinguished selection panel on Romney’s behalf, including many conservative lawyers of immpecable prestige.

Don’t take my word for it, look it up. Coulter and others have written on this as well.

matthew8787 on January 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Maybe he should ask one of them was Griswold is. He didn’t have a clue.

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Will someone take on Ron Paul’s lack of honesty?

Speakup on January 8, 2012 at 1:48 PM

Perry did last night…Called Ron Paul a hypocrite.

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Perry’s not going to win. After he drops out what are you going to tell your kids about what you did to stop socialism?

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

Easy… I will tell them I fought with every fiber of my being for Gov. Perry and should Romney or Obama be elected/re-elected and proceed to rape conservatives, I will tell them I had no hand in it.

And yeah… I will also tell them I was not fooled by the other pretenders: Cain, Santorum, or Gingrich.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Argh.. “was” should be “what”

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 1:54 PM

Even Mittens is better than Maobama. Wake up.

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM

And no, Romney is no better than Obama.

- One frontstabs conservatives in the name of the Dem party, the other backstabs conservatives in the name of the Republican party.

- They all love big Govt. and higher spending.

- None of them will repeal Obamacare.

- None of them will appoint strict constitutionalists to the Supreme Court.

- One wants to be the greatest liberal President evah! The other wants to one-up his daddy’s resume.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:59 PM

If we select Mr. Romney as our standard bearer we shall face defeat once again. I will work hard for his election with financial and any other contributions I can make to help,but I have seen this dog bark before and it’s a chihuahua not a doberman.

celtic warrior on January 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

The clip for When Mitt Romney Came to Town. is up on Youtube…It is Brutal & produced by a former Romney Aide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evS-T-c35M&feature=player_embedded

Obama will turn Romney into this…And in this economy it won’t play well at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=R8y6DJAeolo&feature=endscreen

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM

I’ve just seen Newt’s attack film on Romney he promised. Newt is dead to me now. I can no longer support him.

DumboTheAvenger on January 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM

You are the “Unseen” of Perry supporters.

Vince on January 8, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Yes…but I miss unseen!
I give him credit for his tenacity though!

KOOLAID2 on January 8, 2012 at 2:13 PM

RightMan, if Judge Bork and other similar advisors to Romney are not good enough for you, and then you assert there is no difference between Obama or Romney appointments to the bench, then all I can do is wish you a Happy New Year, as I cannot comprehend your lack of logic.

matthew8787 on January 8, 2012 at 2:13 PM

Let’s just focus our money and energy on the Senate! Let’s get the Senate instead! But we also have to maintain the Lower House!

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 1:27 PM

Exactly what we need to do. Jim DeMint’s site is one of the best in my opinion. He and his team look for the best people that will run against any Senate races and supports them. You or any others interested can sign up at his website:
http://senateconservatives.com/

Regarding Gingrich and any others…As long as what is said or shown is the truth and I support that. We have enough spin and that’s the problem.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

But, remember, YOU get to live with YOUR choice FOREVER! Amen.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM

Liberal talking points??? More like you can’t defend it so you try to discredit the criticism.

In state tuition for illegals is not conservative. That’s a huge reason Perry faded, because he actually made Mittens look good when they clashed over this.

Neither is the Gardasil mandate.

And Redstate is nothing but a Perry shill site with no objectivity.

Rick Perry tripled Texas’s debt during his governorship and has increased spending every single year, cumulatively faster than inflation and population growth combined. Yet you are blind to these facts for some reason.

These numbers are the official numbers from the State of Texas CAFRs and from the U.S. Bureaus of the Census and Labor Statistics), between FY2001 and FY2010 debt increased 184.2% (12.3% per year), Texas population increased 18.2% (1.9% per year), and inflation was approximately 18.7% (1.9% per year).
184.2% – 18.2% – 18.7% = 147.3% (or 10.6% per year).
Therefore, during Perry’s governorship (through 2010) Texas’s debt grew 10.6% faster per year than inflation and population growth combined.

ALso, here’s Perry bi-national health care proposal with Mexico:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/23/santorum-perry-wanted-texas-mexico-health-care/

And Perry’s version of Solyndra:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/perrys_solyndraby_brian_t_carter.html

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

If we select Mr. Romney as our standard bearer we shall face defeat once again. I will work hard for his election with financial and any other contributions I can make to help,but I have seen this dog bark before and it’s a chihuahua not a doberman.

celtic warrior on January 8, 2012 at 2:05 PM

Yes, and their names were Bob Dole and John McCain.

A reminder why Willard is Establishment v 5.0 – the same folks that have bought every President since Reagan, are already investing in Willard.

Repo Men

Neomom on January 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM

The Romney media continues with the strategy of ignoring Perry.

They hype candidates with little to zero chance of beating Romney or obtaining the nomination so as to keep him from bouncing back.
TheRightMan

Well, which is it….are they ignoring Perry, or hyping him, lol?

xblade on January 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM

You are the “Unseen” of Perry supporters.

Vince on January 8, 2012 at 1:43 PM

Call me what you will, Vince.

I did support Palin but saw early enough that she was NOT going to run and switched to supporting Perry just prior to his entry to the race.

I must confess, though, that I am disappointed in some of Palin’s most ardent supporters, who became bitter after she refused to run and blamed Perry for it.

These later became some of Perry’s most virulent critics, even though some of them very well know that he is the closest to Palin in ideology. It’s amazing what bitterness can do.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

The clip for When Mitt Romney Came to Town. is up on Youtube…It is Brutal & produced by a former Romney Aide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_evS-T-c35M&feature=player_embedded

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 2:09 PM

demonrats strategists are eating popcorn while watching this love story between newt and mittens.

nathor on January 8, 2012 at 2:24 PM

Well, which is it….are they ignoring Perry, or hyping him, lol?

xblade on January 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Perry can battle with Romney across the entire country and beat him. Santorum can’t – same as Cain and Bachmann couldn’t.

Gingrich could also beat Romney but he espouses the same big Govt. ideology.

Romney, Perry, or Gingrich. Those are your real picks. Make your choice.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 2:25 PM

The Republicans have learned one lesson well, don’t let the LSM get away with anything. The Democrats looked so petty, back in 2008, by avoiding a debate on Fox News. This year the Republicans have taken the debates on the alphabet networks and, for the most part, they’ve looked good.

Stephanopolous showed he was little more than a Democrat stooge, which makes you wonder why they bothered bring him back to be the moderator on This Week. Of course, Gregory is even worse and how he gets to keep his job, I’ll never know.

Every time Fox does a debate, they ask tough questions and get substance from the candidates. People are beginning to realize what media bias really is and that Fox News is a class act.

bflat879 on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

People that scrolled by this, have to be reminded again.

KOOLAID2 on January 8, 2012 at 2:29 PM

Conservatives have allowed the Romney media/GOP Establishment to set the narrative.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:38 PM

I’m not sure who has the authority on the debates/scheduling. I would think the RNC head would have some but don’t know. But to go before your known enemies(MSM)is not the way to do it, that’s clear. They turned out to be B.O.’s re-election strategy (surprise)

Of course Romney would not drop out; he’s the Dems and Repubs choice:-) Besides, he’s been running for years.

With 75% against Romney says that no one is believing that Romney is inveitable.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:30 PM

s/b inevitable, sorry.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:31 PM

If Mitt is our nominee, there goes the Supreme Court for sure.
JellyToast on January 8, 2012 at 12:29 PM

No doubt liberals would be unhappy to see some more justices in the Alito, Roberts, Scalia vein.

Buy Danish on January 8, 2012 at 12:33 PM

They would, which is something they would never have to worry about if Mitt got to be president. His picks would make David Souter look like Clarence Thomas.

ebrown2 on January 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM

Perry is on the Indiana ballot too.

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Great! There must have been some changes for the better in his campaign:-)

I’m making another Perry folder for my desktop, LOL I don’t need a screen saver; all of my folders take care of it.

Thanks for the continued Perry support via your info!!
I was pretty active posting until Nov/Dec this year so don’t know if you are new. I don’t recall seeing your name before, but we have so many new posters that wouldn’t be surprising.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

MY FINAL TAKE ON THIS DEBATE: THE WINNER IS PERRY … simply for tweeting that his followers must go to church instead of watching this fake blame and mudslinging game called debate.

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 1:42 PM

Perry is tweeting now? Wow, there must have been changes in the campaign! Good for him!!!

Am I seeing a Palin shadow behind him? CPAC coming up…I didn’t see Perry on the list tho. Maybe a surprise guest????

Hey LevinFan, what do you think?

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

And no, Romney is no better than Obama.

- One frontstabs conservatives in the name of the Dem party, the other backstabs conservatives in the name of the Republican party.

- They all love big Govt. and higher spending.

- None of them will repeal Obamacare.

- None of them will appoint strict constitutionalists to the Supreme Court.

- One wants to be the greatest liberal President evah! The other wants to one-up his daddy’s resume.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:59 PM

You have no clue.

Mittens is a wimp and seeks big gov’t solutions too often, but he is NO Marxist like Maobama.

Mittens would sign an Obamacare repeal bill if brought to his desk. He may not have the courgae to push for congress to do it… but he would sign it.

And Mittens does not want to fundamentally transform the US.

But go ahead and take your principled stand and think that your guy’s sh!t doesn’t stink when all you and other Perry shills do is ignore his flaws and make pathetic excuses.

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 2:42 PM

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 1:44 PM

Great rebuttal. I did read that in Nov a straw poll? was on the ballot in MA and all Counties voted for single payer. Did I get that right?

Thanks,

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Levinfan, you are spreading lies. Texas has the second lowest debt per capita. When Perry became governor TX was 6th lowest in debt per capita.

And the bi-bational health care thing is nonsense. It’s been debunked here thousands of times, so please stop with the myths. It was a proposal to allow insurance companies to sell policies that would be good on both sides of the border. It was NOT a government health care proposal.

If you don’t like Perry that’s fine, but please base it on facts. Perry is the candidate with by far the best record as an executive on the economy, jobs, budget cutting and debt. He has actually done the things the others only talk about.

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Hey LevinFan, what do you think?

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Palin would never support Perry unless he was the nominee which I don’t think will happen.

I don’t like Perry and laid out my reasons.

I will support him though if he becomes the main anti Mittens candidate.

All I ask is that Perry supporters do the same for Santorum or Newt but apparently that’s too much to ask for most of them.

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Perry, Gingrich, Santorum, Romney. Which of these will withstand the onslaught to come the best. And it will come, we are fooling ourselves if we believe that it won’t be coming for any of them – including the supposedly “electable” Willard. The mission will one to destroy.

A reminder on this anniversary of the shootings in Tuscon.

The media’s test-run to re-elect Obama

Neomom on January 8, 2012 at 2:48 PM

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 1:59 PM

This is my big picture that I referred to on one of my posts on this current thread.
Following is what I posted on another HA thread.

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/01/07/romney-gets-a-thousand-cheers-and-one-heckler-in-derry/comment-page-5/#comment-5275036

bluefox on January 7, 2012 at 6:18 PM

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:52 PM

Perry is tweeting now? Wow, there must have been changes in the campaign! Good for him!!!

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:40 PM

Perry has been tweeting since at least 2009. A supporter on twitter has been posting his old tweets, inviting people to come to tea parties. He was courting bloggers back then too–he invited a bunch of our favorite conservative bloggers to go the range with him and showed some how to shoot, after speaking at their Austin conference..

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM

I’ve just seen Newt’s attack film on Romney he promised. Newt is dead to me now. I can no longer support him.

DumboTheAvenger on January 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

I haven’t viewed them yet, but what I would base my judgement on is whether they are true or not. Truth hurts sometimes, but is also cleansing:-) and very needed in politics.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I’m spreading lies??

Here’s Perry’s direct quote on bi natioanl health care. Sounds more like a guy thinking of Texas and Mexico as “one region” then someone just wanting insurance co’s to buy able to sell on both sides of the border:

Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance,” Perry said then. “This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/23/santorum-perry-wanted-texas-mexico-health-care/#ixzz1itkGKnU7

And what about in state tuition for illegals? How is that conservative?

Or the Garadsil mandate?

And again these are his numbers as govenor from the State of Texas CAFRs and from the U.S. Bureaus of the Census and Labor Statistics:

Between FY2001 and FY2010 debt increased 184.2% (12.3% per year), Texas population increased 18.2% (1.9% per year), and inflation was approximately 18.7% (1.9% per year).
184.2% – 18.2% – 18.7% = 147.3% (or 10.6% per year).
Therefore, during Perry’s governorship (through 2010) Texas’s debt grew 10.6% faster per year than inflation and population growth combined.

One more thing: how do you defend Perry on this, or is it the american thinker spreading liberal lies??

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/09/perrys_solyndraby_brian_t_carter.html

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 2:19 PM

Wow! You are really grasping at straws, aren’t you.

First of all, Romney/Gingrich/Santorum will KILL for Perry’s record. They wish they were running on that record instead of their abysmal or mixed records.

Now let us tackle your false statements and characterizations of Perry’s record.

First up.

1. Rick Perry and Texas state spending

Here is your claim:

Rick Perry tripled Texas’s debt during his governorship and has increased spending every single year, cumulatively faster than inflation and population growth combined. Yet you are blind to these facts for some reason.

Your claims are no different from ones Bachmann made before galloping off into the sunset.

Let me reproduce the response that the Perry campaign gave in its entirety. Hot Airers, please forgive me for the length of my post. Sometimes we have to indulge liars like LevinFan.

AUSTIN – A committee supporting Michele Bachmann has released a blatantly false ad that completely misrepresents Gov. Perry’s fiscally conservative record in Texas.

“Gov. Perry is a proven fiscal conservative, having cut taxes, signed six balanced budgets, and led Texas to become America’s top job-creating state,” said Ray Sullivan, RickPerry.org’s communications director. “Congresswoman Bachmann’s front-group ad is patently and provably false. Unlike Washington, the Texas budget is balanced, does not run deficits and limits spending, even as Texas added jobs and population in big numbers.”

FALSE CLAIM: “Rick Perry doubled spending in a decade.”

TRUTH: State spending – the non-federal dollars state lawmakers can control – is six percent lower under Gov. Perry than it was under the two-year budget in effect when he took office, adjusting for population growth and inflation. In unadjusted amounts, state spending is $80.5 billion for the 2012-13 biennium compared to $55.7 billion for the 2000-01 biennium. Texas’ population growth plus inflation since 2001 is 54 percent. The current Texas budget funds the state’s vital needs by operating within available revenues and providing tax cuts for small businesses. Gov. Perry is the only Texas governor since World War II to cut state (general revenue) spending.

FALSE CLAIM: “This year, Rick Perry is spending more money than the state takes in.”

TRUTH: Texas’ budget has been certified as balanced by the Texas Comptroller of Public Accounts, with an estimated $6.5 billion remaining unspent in the state’s Rainy Day Fund. Every budget Gov. Perry has signed has been balanced.

FALSE CLAIM: “Covering his deficits with record borrowing.”

TRUTH: Texas does not have a deficit. The state’s recent sale of Tax and Revenue Anticipation Notes (TRANs) is cash-flow management tool that dates back to 1987. These notes are sold every fiscal year to manage cash flow and to provide up-front payments to public schools. They are repaid within the fiscal year with tax revenue that comes in after the upfront school payments are made. Texas earned the highest possible ratings in anticipation of this offering, receiving a rating of SP-1+ by Standard & Poor’s, MIG 1 by Moody’s Investors Service and F1+ by Fitch Inc. Texas’ net interest rate of .27 percent is down from last year’s rate of .34 percent, representing the state’s lowest net rate ever for these notes.

Try debunking that then we go to point number two.

Next up.

Perry and the Texas Dream Act.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 2:58 PM

Well, which is it….are they ignoring Perry, or hyping him, lol?

xblade on January 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM

Both. That was easy:-)

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:59 PM

Romney is light years better than Obama but I think his testicles will shrink when he is confronted with the storm he will face from Obama. Perry and Santorum have bigger gonads.

celtic warrior on January 8, 2012 at 3:00 PM

I must confess, though, that I am disappointed in some of Palin’s most ardent supporters, who became bitter after she refused to run and blamed Perry for it.

These later became some of Perry’s most virulent critics, even though some of them very well know that he is the closest to Palin in ideology. It’s amazing what bitterness can do.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

I was posting daily then and remember you and many others. A lot of Palin supporters/Anti-Palin posters as well. And that was even before Perry entered the race. Then it got worse between the those two. Pro-Palin/Anti-Palin/Pro-Perry/Anti-Perry!!!

I always wondered if Perry knew somehow if Palin wasn’t going to run? I know many of her supporters were devastated that she wasn’t. It was a disappointment as I supported her too and then switched to Perry. But that’s part of life not just in politics.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 3:06 PM

Great rebuttal. I did read that in Nov a straw poll? was on the ballot in MA and all Counties voted for single payer. Did I get that right?

Thanks,

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:43 PM

Thanks bluefox!

You may well have read that. A non-binding question did appear on the ballot in Nov 2010 in certain districts, and there was a lot of support for single-payer. There have been several polls taken over the past few decades (literally, since the 80′s) showing strong support for some form of “universal coverage” or “universal access.” Not all of the questions have been regarding single-payer, but the groups that are most active are focused on that approach, and that’s what the 2010 effort was about.

There hasn’t always been strong support in the legislature for such an approach, which is why I said we were by no means on the verge of single payer in 2006. But advocates are not giving up. Anyone who thinks that Romney “saved” the state from single-payer is sadly mistaken, as this article shows.

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 3:09 PM

All I ask is that Perry supporters do the same for Santorum or Newt but apparently that’s too much to ask for most of them.

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

I’m not sure about a Palin/Perry relationship as I’ve read opinions from both sides; just thinking outloud. Will wait and see what happens.

I would hope that Republicans/Independents/Democrats/Libertarians
will support and vote for whoever is the Republican Nominee. If my Primary favorite isn’t it, then so be it. Fight for your favorite in the Primaries but the General Election is Pay Day. Some win and some lose, but we all lose if we don’t vote.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 3:15 PM

Levinfan, oh please, in the middle of huge recession you want to make this election about Mexicans and tardasil? Really?

Diseasewise, this is all one region. Diseases don’t observe borders in this age of international travel. Whether you like or not, people can legally travel back and forth across the border on a daily basis to work, shop and visit and family. If we can cheaply knock our reservoirs of disease just south of the border, it protects our citizens (livestock too–look up the USDA screwworm program).

And the bi-national health insurance was to be just that–private health insurance, offered as a free market choice by private companies, not mandated.

Under Perry Texas has less debt per capita than it did when he first became governor, and the second lowest debt per capita in the US according to the Tax Foundation.

http://www.willisms.com/archives/2011/08/texas_interest.html

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 3:16 PM

LevinFan, where are you? Have you run off after I countered your lies @ 2:58 pm and challenged you to offer a rebuttal?

Figures.

Most Perry haters have no facts to support their lies and mischaracterizations and run off when confronted only to resurface in another thread with the same lies.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 3:18 PM

Perry has been tweeting since at least 2009. A supporter on twitter has been posting his old tweets, inviting people to come to tea parties. He was courting bloggers back then too–he invited a bunch of our favorite conservative bloggers to go the range with him and showed some how to shoot, after speaking at their Austin conference..

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 2:55 PM

Awesome. I suppose if I tweeted, I would have known that, LOL Hard enough to blog on HA, research and try to keep up with it all as it is. Don’t know how others do it. I don’t recall seeing any tweet messages posted here from Perry or maybe wasn’t sure if it was his or the campaigns. Anyway, thanks for the info!!

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM

I would hope that Republicans/Independents/Democrats/Libertarians
will support and vote for whoever is the Republican Nominee. If my Primary favorite isn’t it, then so be it. Fight for your favorite in the Primaries but the General Election is Pay Day. Some win and some lose, but we all lose if we don’t vote.

Well said, and I agree!…But I may not be sober when I do. :-)

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 3:20 PM

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 3:19 PM

You’re welcome! I only just started following twitter myself, and unfortunately I am not getting much done around the house lately from following this primary stuff. It’s a real time burner!

Perry does his own tweets, and his campaign people also tweet. Often his tweets have pictures of him at the shooting range or running with his dogs, plus more campaign related things. I’m following his son too. His son once tweeted a link to Ace of Spades, lol.

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:17 PM

thanks for the link to Demint’s site.

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM

Gotta run for a few hours. ‘Bye all!

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM

OK just watched the PAC trailer, didn’t generate much sympathy from me for those sob stories of job losses. Many of them could also lose 100 lbs or so.

Tell me, is a company like Kodak supposed to just forever make 35mm film rolls and keep all its employees forever even as times change and digital cameras and Facebook alter the market landscape completely?

Maybe I’m just an evil capitalist bastard.

haner on January 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM

My previous post on Mr. Romney was not approved by the filters that be. So I will try again. Mr. Romney lacks a certain ingredient that most normal males possess when confronted with danger.In the Marine Corps we called it ba$$s.

celtic warrior on January 8, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Anyone who says they are not voting if their candidate isn’t the nominee is basically admitting they are a supporter of Obama and Marxism.

The Notorious G.O.P on January 8, 2012 at 3:37 PM

My previous post on Mr. Romney was not approved by the filters that be. So I will try again. Mr. Romney lacks a certain ingredient that most normal males possess when confronted with danger.In the Marine Corps we called it ba$$s.

celtic warrior on January 8, 2012 at 3:36 PM

Newt has so much balls it’s in several of his wives at the same time. He has so much balls that he compares his failure to get on VA ballot with Pearl Harbor. That really proves to the veterans that he has balls all right.

I won’t say whether Romney has balls or not, I’m not his wife, but he clearly had enough guts and ability to risk his reputation diving into the 2002 Olympics after all the scandals and fix it when no one else wanted to be caught dead in that quicksand.

haner on January 8, 2012 at 3:43 PM

Just Sayin on January 8, 2012 at 3:09 PM

I see it was Districts instead of Counties:-)

This is the article I was referring to:
Single payer ballot questions pass in all fourteen Massachusetts districts! – PNHP’s Official Blog
November 4, 2010
Link: http://thehealthcaremaze.us/tag/massachusetts-single-payer/

I read the article you linked to. Seems as if the Politicians are trying to figure out which is the best plan. Some Pro, some Con.
Anything I think will perhaps depend on what the Supreme Court rules next year on Obamacare, not only for MA but for all of us.

Thanks,

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 3:45 PM

Well it’s time for food, LOL Will catch up with you all later.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 3:47 PM

Mittens had a brilliant riposte to the nitwit panelist who quizzed him about his support for gay rights in the past and followed up with asking Mittens the most recent time he supported rights of gays and Mittens said “Your last question.” Priceless.

Bob in VA on January 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM

I’ve just seen Newt’s attack film on Romney he promised. Newt is dead to me now. I can no longer support him.

DumboTheAvenger on January 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

That was my initial reaction, too. But I’ve had time to reflect, and I really think Newt just gave Romney a huge, huge gift. He gave him a nice, neat, 27 1/2 minute video of Obama’s campaign strategy against Romney. It is as if Newt snuck into Obama’s campaign office, stole his playbook, and handed it off to Romney’s team. The Obama team will go to all of those same people, run all of the same sob stories, make all of the same charges. So Romney now knows what he’s up against. He either puts together a response that works, or he doesn’t, but he knows exactly what the war will be. Imagine the play a video like this by the Obama team would get if they dropped it sometime next October. I bet heads are spinning today at the Obama campaign that all of this got spilled too early. Newt really screwed up their plans.

Newt isn’t quite dead to me yet, but when he doesn’t get the nomination and becomes MSNBC’s favorite “conservative guest” to go on and wax eloquent about how Obama will be better for the country than Romney, he will be. And I have no doubts at all that that is exactly what Newt will do.

Rational Thought on January 8, 2012 at 3:55 PM

I’ve just seen Newt’s attack film on Romney he promised. Newt is dead to me now. I can no longer support him.

DumboTheAvenger on January 8, 2012 at 2:11 PM

You do know that film was made by a former Romney supporter, right?

In an unusual twist, it was made by Jason Killian Meath, who worked on the Romney campaign in 2008 and is a former colleague of one of Mr. Romney’s top strategists today, Stuart Stevens.

So Jazz… I thing that’s an interesting aspect to the story… we going to see a thread about that soon?

Snorkdoodle Whizbang on January 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

thing think

Ugh… my kingdom for an edit button!

Snorkdoodle Whizbang on January 8, 2012 at 3:59 PM

haner: At least your post got through. Mine was somewhat more genteel.

celtic warrior on January 8, 2012 at 4:06 PM

I must confess, though, that I am disappointed in some of Palin’s most ardent supporters, who became bitter after she refused to run and blamed Perry for it.

These later became some of Perry’s most virulent critics, even though some of them very well know that he is the closest to Palin in ideology. It’s amazing what bitterness can do.

TheRightMan on January 8, 2012 at 2:22 PM

and the funny thing about this is the person who was most likely responsible for Palin not getting in was Bachmann, she could not jump in fast enough and when she did the very first thing her campaign chairman did was trash Sarah Palin…….

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 4:07 PM

Also mr. haner I am not a Gingrich fan . All I am saying is, “give perry a chance”.Didn’t the Beattles sing that song?

celtic warrior on January 8, 2012 at 4:11 PM

So Jazz… I thing that’s an interesting aspect to the story… we going to see a thread about that soon?

Snorkdoodle Whizbang on January 8, 2012 at 3:58 PM

I don’t think that’s so interesting. People always make a big deal out of political strategists working for one guy when they once worked for another guy. Well, that’s what they do for a living! They aren’t in it because Candidate So-and-so is doing God’s work and they’ve left their “real” jobs to help him shepherd in a new great awakening. They’re POLITICAL STRATEGISTS. That is their real job. They are always hopping from campaign to campaign, candidate to candidate. Why assume this guy “left” Romney to join Newt. Maybe this time around, given that Romney LOST last time, they didn’t want him. So he went on to the next guy. That’s what they do. It’s called employment. Like Romney said this morning, politics ain’t beanbag.

Rational Thought on January 8, 2012 at 4:11 PM

This one was just a tad better than that ABC stink bomb.

logman1 on January 8, 2012 at 4:13 PM

Question

For all intents and purposes it looks like Obama is going to attack Romney for his time at Bain Capital. Specifically, he is going to attack Romney for laying off workers. Now, this is an attack that mainly appeals to those far to the left, but how do you think it’ll play to the right?

Do you think it’d galvanize some people on the right into supporting Mitt Romney? Or is the sentiment against Romney so bad that it won’t matter how bad Obama is, or how much he attacks capitalism and the constitution?

Okay, maybe a slightly weighted question. Still, unless something dramatic happens to derail Romney we will be facing that scenario sooner or later. We might as well start asking these sorts of questions now.

WolvenOne on January 8, 2012 at 4:25 PM

Question

For all intents and purposes it looks like Obama is going to attack Romney for his time at Bain Capital. Specifically, he is going to attack Romney for laying off workers. Now, this is an attack that mainly appeals to those far to the left, but how do you think it’ll play to the right?

Do you think it’d galvanize some people on the right into supporting Mitt Romney? Or is the sentiment against Romney so bad that it won’t matter how bad Obama is, or how much he attacks capitalism and the constitution?

Okay, maybe a slightly weighted question. Still, unless something dramatic happens to derail Romney we will be facing that scenario sooner or later. We might as well start asking these sorts of questions now.

WolvenOne on January 8, 2012 at 4:25 PM

A small point of fact: Romney didn’t lay off any workers. His company was an investor in those businesses, and some of them businesses failed. But some of them succeeded, too. He claims Bain is net positive on having created 100,000 jobs. That number will be looked at, but if it is true and can be shown, Romney wins that one.

Second, the Obamas are living a grotesquely lavish lifestyle (now throwing lavish parties in secret, as we’ve learned today), and they are living it on the American people’s money.

Third, Barack Obama has put 3 million Americans out of work. Let’s say that again: Barack Obama has put 3 million Americans out of work. I don’t think Romney will have any trouble finding a few sob stories there. Juxtapose those with the secret lavish parties and the $4 million Hawaiian vacation and the separate his and her taxpayer-funded jets to Martha’s Vineyard, and Obama will pay a price for class warfare, too. You want a sob story? We’ve got 3 million to choose from.

Fourth, Barack Obama has invested the American people’s money in failed businesses — not to try to turn those businesses around, but to pay off his political donors. He made those investments with our money while he knew those companies were going bankrupt. That was OUR money he lost giving corrupt payola to his political donors, not private sector money.

And fifth, Obama’s answer to joblessness is dependency via government checks. That’s all he’s got. Small government checks that allow people to get by at the margins. Romney’s answer is private sector growth, permanent employment, and opportunity to move up.

Of course Obama will use Bain as his main line of attack. But all of this is hitting the media waaaay too soon for Obama to make hay out of it. Newt’s movie coming this soon was very bad news for Team Obama.

Rational Thought on January 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM

Do Santorum, Newt, and Perry not want to win??

Why does Mittens get away with being unscathed for so long?? He’s the frontrunner and a big gov’t liberal yet he gets a pass everytime!!

Why can’t anyone dress him down over Romneycare, John HOldren, his judgeship appointments, his refusal to rule out a VAT tax, and refusing to call Maobama a socialist????

Why do we have a bunch of wimps running???

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 12:12 PM

Wow. The only explanation is that you missed this morning’s debate because Perry did indeed call Obama a SOCIALIST. Maybe he’s your guy afterall.

-Aslan’s Girl

Aslans Girl on January 8, 2012 at 6:07 PM

Ok, I see you meant the other candidates should pick on Mitt because Mitt won’t call O a socialist… sorry. But, um, when Perry attacked Mitt, a lot of people and pundits said that was the start of his polling collapse (and, indeed, his numbers began falling way before “oops”). And, consevatives KEEP telling us, “don’t attack each other! attack Obama!” and, that’s why Newt began rising, not only is he a good debater (and knows how to smoothly dodge questions) but he wasn’t attacking his fellows up there and was focusing on Obama.

I wish people would make up their minds.

Aslans Girl on January 8, 2012 at 6:10 PM

Thanks for the continued Perry support via your info!!
I was pretty active posting until Nov/Dec this year so don’t know if you are new. I don’t recall seeing your name before, but we have so many new posters that wouldn’t be surprising.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM

Been a long time Hotgas reader…got in on one of the last open registrations. I comment at some other conservative blogs…Gateway,Legal Insurrection,AOSHQ

Just trying to do my bit for the governor of my state. I’d like every state to do as well as Texas and stop this suicidal lurch toward socialist hell.

I think Perry is the best shot we have to beat Obama and turn this debacle around.

Gig Em’
Perry 2012

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Mittens had a brilliant riposte to the nitwit panelist who quizzed him about his support for gay rights in the past and followed up with asking Mittens the most recent time he supported rights of gays and Mittens said “Your last question.” Priceless.

Bob in VA on January 8, 2012 at 3:49 PM

Too bad none of this translates into a solid governing record to counter Obama’s. That’s why Romney can’t win.

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 6:20 PM

If US Employment Had Grown at Same Rate as Texas Since January 2009, We’d Have 5% Unemployment.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-G7NRA0iG7e0/Twc0a0b-R2I/AAAAAAAAAPs/6JeAEPRjXB0/s1600/Picture2.png

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7o8JtKMEDco/Twc0Uc63-nI/AAAAAAAAAPg/TKaurjwAD5Q/s1600/Picture1.png

Source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics, December Preliminary Data, November Local Area Unemployment Statistics.

http://texanomics.blogspot.com/2012/01/since-january-2009-us-labor-force-has.html#!/

Obama will use the Texas numbers to prop up his jobs numbers and confuse voters….Only Gov. Perry can stop that strategy cold.

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 7:22 PM

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 1:46 PM

And, who in this crew is actually going to STOP socialism? Please show me, because I can’t find one.

GWB on January 8, 2012 at 8:14 PM

Fox pundits have all praised Perry’s debate performance this weekend, Chris Wallace just said he is not surprised, he was the first to interview him face-to-face on Fox News Sunday and found him very refreshing, said looking at both debates this weekend Perry looked very “presidential.”…….

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM

That’s great. Maybe I’ll sign up for Twitter just to follow him & the Campaign. Twitter sounds like fun, but like you said difficult to get all of the work done:-)

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 9:16 PM

thanks for the link to Demint’s site.

juliesa on January 8, 2012 at 3:33 PM

You’re welcome. I hope others check it out also. DeMint is one of the very very few good guys:-)

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 9:18 PM

I think Perry is the best shot we have to beat Obama and turn this debacle around.

Gig Em’
Perry 2012

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 6:16 PM

Glad you got in and you are a Perry supporter!! Oh, I definitely agree that Perry is the Conservative. And not only that, but I admire him as a person first. Sincerity, Honesty, Family Values and most of all doing what is best for Texas. I’m hoping he’ll have a chance to do what’s best for our Country, as I believe it’s the only reason he entered this race.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 9:40 PM

said looking at both debates this weekend Perry looked very “presidential.”…….

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 9:07 PM

Nice to hear. He certainly has the best message and solutions to some of the problems we face. It won’t be an easy job to begin to dig us out of the mess we’ve been placed in. Perry has the experience to know where to start and what it takes tho.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 9:47 PM

Obama will use the Texas numbers to prop up his jobs numbers and confuse voters….Only Gov. Perry can stop that strategy cold.

workingclass artist on January 8, 2012 at 7:22 PM

At least you’ve researched and have enough info to rebutt that tactic if tried.

I don’t see how this Admin. can even think about taking credit for any increase in jobs. We have 19,000,000 Americans and more if we counted those not on Unemployment any longer without work.

bluefox on January 8, 2012 at 9:52 PM

Here’s a good satire of the Saturday “debate”:
http://thekencarroll.blogspot.com/2012/01/abc-gop-debate-reveals-abcs-positions.html#more

Czar of Defenestration on January 9, 2012 at 8:00 AM

All I ask is that Perry supporters do the same for Santorum or Newt but apparently that’s too much to ask for most of them.

LevinFan on January 8, 2012 at 2:47 PM

Because of Tort reform in Texas Health Insurance costs have gone down 30%. This is a successful pilot program aimed at small – medium sized businesses.
http://texhealth.org/

Texas leads the nation in exports for 9 years in a row, leads in job creation and beat China in Manufacturing.

Why would I or any conservative vote for this record?

Rick Santorum’s voting record reflects his rejection of small government. See for yourself.

NEA
Voted for taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.

Bankruptcy
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

Defense and Foreign Policy

Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.

Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.

Voted for the START II Treaty
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban antipersonnel landmines
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same payraises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyranical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the President’s authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions. If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program

Nominations
Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture)
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge

Labor
Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

Guns

Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of “assault weapons” by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.

Reform

Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional payraise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapits, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter “backup plan” to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require State and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.

Immigration
Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border partrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.

Taxes
Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.

Welfare
Voted against food stamp reform
Voted against Medicaid reform
Voted against TANF reform
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000. Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.

Waste
Sponsored An amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museum’s Olympic Sculpture Project (WA)
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL)
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a state’s highway allocation
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%
Voted against transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.

Spending and Entitlements
Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies an new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

Health Care
Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against a allow consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

Education
Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.

Energy

Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.

Voted to make fuel price gouging a Federal crime.

http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/01/09/what-a-big-government-conservative-looks-like-2/

*The NEA should only be funded enough to restore & conserve archives,artifacts,architecture & artworks that belong to the nation. States and private funding should fund the rest at their locale using local discretion. Administrative overhead and partisan politics have distorted the original mission behind the organization and it has become another bloated bureaucracy filled with self-important overpaid liberals intent on promoting an agenda that alienates the public rather than serve and inform the public…It is rife with crony academics much like the corrupted Salons of Europe*

workingclass artist on January 9, 2012 at 8:38 AM

For the naysayers who objected to Gov Perry’s take on Iran in Iraq…Teaparty Hobbit slayer McShamnesty agreed with him at least on principle…

Now, McCain argues, those fears are being realized.

“I think there’s clearly an unraveling going on which could eventually lead basically into three different kinds of states in Iraq,” he said. “We needed to keep residual force there. That was what the Bush administration envisioned. And that is what we should have done.”

McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Committee on Armed Services, lambasted President Obama for allegedly “leading from behind” and subsequently weakening U.S. foreign policy overall.

“What the perception is now, particularly in that part of the world, is that the United States is weak and that we’re withdrawing,” McCain said. “That is also having its effect in other places, including emboldening Iran. Leading from behind is not what this world needs and we still do have the best military in the world, we still do have the most efficient and capable ways of defending the nation.”

McCain conceded that “savings have to be made” in U.S. defense, and that the Pentagon houses a “culture of corruption” when it comes to cost overruns. But he said he was wary of the new defense strategy recently unveiled by Mr. Obama, which calls for a smaller, more flexible military force.

“I’m very worried about ignoring the lessons of history. After World War II, there was never going to be another land war. After Vietnam, we ended up in a, quote, hollow army,” he said. “I understand these savings have to be made. But I am more worried about the perception in the world of what the United States is doing.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3460_162-57354679/john-mccain-situation-in-iraq-is-unraveling/

workingclass artist on January 9, 2012 at 8:49 AM

” Iraq’s Shiite-led government on Sunday demanded that authorities in the semiautonomous Kurdish region hand over the country’s top Sunni official to face terrorism charges, turning up the heat in a political crisis that is stoking sectarian tensions.

Vice President Tariq al-Hashemi traveled to the Kurdish north in December just as the last American troops were leaving the country and charges against him were being drawn up.

The government accuses him of running a hit squad that assassinated government and security officials years ago — allegations he denies. Fellow Sunnis, who made up the dominant political class under Saddam Hussein, see the charges as part of an effort to sideline them.

The resulting political crisis has been accompanied by a rise in coordinated car bomb and suicide attacks targeting Shiites that have claimed dozens of lives in recent weeks…”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45918711/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/#.TwoaTflkidk

It’s gonna be a shia-sunni bloodbath.

workingclass artist on January 9, 2012 at 8:53 AM

For all you Perry bashers over instate tuition for illegals, wipe the Marco Rubio slobber off your faces then, he sponsored same legislation in FL

KornKing on January 9, 2012 at 9:08 AM

Great Story on Gov. Perry in SC…

““I’ve never quit a day in my life. I have never quit in the face of adversity, and I’m not just about to quit on the future of America. I am going to stay in this race and stay in this fight because our children in this country are worth the fight,” Perry told a crowd of 125 South Carolinians at the Beacon Drive-In…

Perry is battling with Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich for the social conservative vote in the Palmetto State, but he also has his eye on denting Mitt Romney’s lead in the state.

“If you want to know how somebody’s going to perform in the future, look to their past,” Perry said. “As a matter of fact, Mitt said, ‘If you want to know how I’m going to perform, look at my record,’ and I have, Mitt.”

“I don’t like it,” a woman in the audience said.

“I’m with you ma’am,” Perry responded, drawing laughs from the audience…

As he greeted voters upon exiting the crowded diner, Perry was approached by 7-year-old Gracie Wood, who had seen him in Saturday night’s debate and wrote him a letter of encouragement.

“Did you leave me an address so I could write you back? Smart girl. You’re awesome. Thanks. Love you,” Perry said as he reached in and hugged the blond-haired girl. “You’re amazing,” Gracie said. “Hope you win.”

“Every chance you get help me out, OK? We’ll get you a bumper sticker. I know you can’t quite, you’re not quite old enough to vote yet are you?” Perry asked.

“No sir,” Gracie Wood responded. “But I’ll ask my mommy to vote.”

“Work your mother real good,” Perry answered.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/perry-tells-s-c-voters-i-dont-give-up/

workingclass artist on January 9, 2012 at 10:22 AM

For what its worth I thought Perry absolutely killed it in the Sunday debate. I hope he gets the traction that his conservative record deserves. He is different than everyone else on that stage and I hope he can start his comeback in SC.

jrfromdallas on January 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM

workingclass artist on January 9, 2012 at 8:38 AM

re: Santorum’s record. I never would have guessed that was a Conservatives’ voting record. Reminds me of what Perot said about there isn’t a dimes worth of difference between the R’s or D’s.

Strange, but if that had been Gov. Perry’s record, it would be broadcast across the web/networks and beyond!!

Shaking my head here.

Thanks,

bluefox on January 9, 2012 at 8:38 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/perry-tells-s-c-voters-i-dont-give-up/

workingclass artist on January 9, 2012 at 10:22 AM

Thanks for posting this. My sister mentioned this today, but I hadn’t heard it. Will take a look:-)

bluefox on January 9, 2012 at 8:40 PM

jrfromdallas on January 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM

Nice to see another Perry supporter!!

bluefox on January 9, 2012 at 8:41 PM

Here is a wonderful article Governor Perry posted today at Red State.

http://www.redstate.com/governorperry/2012/01/09/the-choice/

Highlighting why we refuse to give up on Perry.

cheetah2 on January 10, 2012 at 2:06 AM

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