Open thread: The first battle of New Hampshire

posted at 8:00 pm on January 7, 2012 by Allahpundit

The artillery fire begins at 9 p.m. ET on ABC and, after an overnight ceasefire, resumes bright and early tomorrow at … 9 a.m. Really. Note, though, that the second debate won’t air live on NBC but rather in your regular local time slot for “Meet the Press.” If you’re recording it, look for it then.

Back-to-back debates presents an interesting strategic question for the Not Romneys. Should they use both forums as an opportunity to pile on Mitt in hopes of dragging him back to earth or should they use one debate to beat on Romney and the other to distinguish themselves from each other? Even at this late date, they still need to define themselves: Apparently, a not insignificant chunk of New Hampshirites was surprised to learn this week that Rick Santorum is against gay marriage. Besides, now that the new polls have showed Romney’s huge lead in NH holding up after Iowa, the calculus has changed for the rest of field. Instead of trying to pull the upset, they’re really trying to place second and then tout that in South Carolina as proof that they’ve been crowned the sole remaining viable alternative to Mitt. So while Romney will take his licks this weekend, (a) Santorum and Ron Paul will hammer each other in hopes of locking up second; (b) Paul and Huntsman will hammer each other in a mini-battle for independents and liberals; and (c) Perry will hammer Santorum in order to kill his momentum before SC and clear the way for a second look at Texas. (Aside: Why is Perry participating in these debates?) The only guy out there who’s likely to train all of his fire on Romney is — well, you know:

With two debates 10 hours apart this weekend, Good Newt versus Bad Newt will be one of the most compelling subplots. It’s clear he hasn’t totally decided which approach to take yet, and even if he does aim to tone it down, it’s not clear he has the discipline to do so…

“He was ‘the ideas guy’ until three weeks ago, when he became a process guy,” said one veteran GOP strategist, who is neutral in the race. “Now all he talks about is process, polling, negative ads, gross ratings points. He has no campaign. He has a moving think tank. The psychology that’s going on is, he thought he was going to win. And he’s devastated with what happened to him and he can’t quite comprehend it. He’s just fuming inside. He can’t believe it happened to him.”

The best window into Gingrich’s state of mind on the eve of the debate may be this Newsweek piece reporting that his Super PAC is set to roll out a 27-minute video savaging Romney for the layoffs at companies acquired by Bain Capital. Actual quote from the narration: “A story of greed. Playing the system for a quick buck. A group of corporate raiders, led by Mitt Romney. More ruthless than Wall Street. For tens of thousands of Americans, the suffering began when Mitt Romney came to town.” Go look at the webpage that the Super PAC has set up to showcase the video. See now why I’m using artillery metaphors for tonight? I don’t know why Newt would go this route after the heat he took on the right for his earlier jab at Mitt’s Bain earnings; it’ll alienate plenty of conservatives, in part because it’s precisely the sort of attack Obama’s preparing for Romney as part of his big class-warfare election strategy. But maybe Newt doesn’t care anymore. Maybe damaging Romney is more important to him now than winning. Or maybe he’s worried about Santorum’s blue-collar appeal to white working-class voters in the Republican base and figures he can kill two birds with one stone this way, positioning himself as the true blue-collar champion against white-collar demon Mitt Romney. (Added bonus: If Newt somehow won the nomination this way, it would partly neutralize Obama’s strategy in the general.) Cynical, yet effective. Maybe?

Here’s the Hot Air/Townhall Twitter widget. Ed will be updating live from the debate. One other thing to keep an eye on: Will Santorum go after Newt? He’d rather focus on Romney but he can’t afford to finish behind Gingrich in NH. That would fuel a “Newt comeback/Santorum fade” narrative before South Carolina, where Newt’s still reasonably strong, and that would probably finish Santorum off. And because Gingrich always does well at the debates, he’s probably bound to get some sort of bounce after this weekend anyway. Santorum might have no choice but to attack.



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Dire Straits was here..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Hey, what’s up with these punks coming in here and leaving their graffiti all over the place? You clean that up! Damn teenagers.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:27 AM

Whiner”? Please. I didn’t know anyone actually took this Birther nonsense seriously here anymore. I would think mentioning it along with the Truther and Trig-gate conspiracies would make it clear that it was a joke about threads getting derailed. I didn’t realize I was going to upset the new kids.

Where on earth did you get the whole “whining” business anyway? Is this your word for “Not agreeing with Dr. Tesla?”

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:24 AM

Ok, I don’t understand peole who complain about the topic of the thread. Why not just not post if you don’t like the topic? That seems the rational action.

You seemed to link talking about evolution to nutty conspiracy theories like 9-11 trutherism.

I don’t see why anybody is going to like you if you act like that.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:27 AM

The problem you , and Huntsman have, is I’m a mechanical engineer.

…………

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:19 AM

Ah. That explains it.

Good night.

fadetogray on January 8, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Hey, DS. Good to see ya. :)

Flotsam Jetsome on January 8, 2012 at 3:28 AM

Sounds to me like you are grinding an ax here. Just because someone says something you don’t like is no reason for a jihad against them in every post you make.

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 3:26 AM

Well, it’s not accurrate that I’m talking about Erickson in every post.

But, Erickson is calling a Republican a statist. It seems me, he has the ax to grind. I’m free to challenge him on that stupidity. He’s a Perry hack and I am calling him out on it. I’m pretty sure he’s never called Romney or Obama a statist.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:29 AM

Ah. That explains it.

Good night.

fadetogray on January 8, 2012 at 3:28 AM

For such a smart guy, Huntsman doesn’t seem to run an intelligent campaign.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:31 AM

Ok, I don’t understand peole who complain about the topic of the thread. Why not just not post if you don’t like the topic? That seems the rational action.

You seemed to link talking about evolution to nutty conspiracy theories like 9-11 trutherism.

I don’t see why anybody is going to like you if you act like that.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:27 AM

Lighten up, Francis, not every bemused observation is a complaint. And no, talking about evolution is not the same as talking about a nutty conspiracy theory. The only thing they have in common is that they are both off-topic.

Which, 20 pages in, and at this late hour, is not a problem, but it’s fun to observe how threads get derailed.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM

The debate is over, guy. How can a thread about a debate be derailed if the debate is over? Why must it stay “on topic”? Who cares?

You struck as a control freak who needs to lighten up.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:35 AM

Good night.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:37 AM

Well, it’s not accurrate that I’m talking about Erickson in every post.

But, Erickson is calling a Republican a statist. It seems me, he has the ax to grind. I’m free to challenge him on that stupidity. He’s a Perry hack and I am calling him out on it. I’m pretty sure he’s never called Romney or Obama a statist.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:29 AM

Go back and read your posts on this thread… heck read them for the past week. There is a LOT of slams at that site from your posts, too many for my intuition to think this is not more personal than he doesn’t like Santorum… you know, it is entirely possible because he has actually researched Santorum and finds his positions lacking a true conservative he is exercising her prerogative to voice an opinion same as you exercise your opinion freely over and over here on Hot Air. Your obsession with RS is as bad as the one many have about FR… but UMHO if you don’t like some site then don’t read it. Form your own opinions and defend them — but do it based on accurate research and not just because you like someone’s Eddie Haskell good looks.

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 3:37 AM

BTW for those who think Perry was extreme tonight in his assessment of Iran…

Breaking News
Iranian hardline newspaper says uranium enrichment at underground site has begun – AP

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 3:40 AM

That idiot jabbers about the most trivial details of her meaningless life. News Flash, her shift at Walmart got changed. OMG spread the word.

Frobenius on January 8, 2012 at 12:04 AM

OMG we just got an update from anninCA. Please make it stop. Next thing you know she will be telling us for the billionth time that her spawn was born on April 1st. Jeebus.

Frobenius on January 8, 2012 at 12:21 AM

You know, maybe if you weren’t such an A$$, you would know that there is NO way twerp is like anninCA. Once upon a time, there was a closeness of the HA commenters…like a family. Townhall’s cross-over commenters have ruined that…and a$$wipes like you. You really think we give a fork what you think? What a pompous,impotent idiot you are…

lovingmyUSA on January 8, 2012 at 3:40 AM

The debate is over, guy. How can a thread about a debate be derailed if the debate is over? Why must it stay “on topic”? Who cares?

You struck as a control freak who needs to lighten up.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:35 AM

Let me highlight for the challenged.

Lighten up, Francis, not every bemused observation is a complaint. And no, talking about evolution is not the same as talking about a nutty conspiracy theory. The only thing they have in common is that they are both off-topic.

Which, 20 pages in, and at this late hour, is not a problem, but it’s fun to observe how threads get derailed.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:32 AM

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:40 AM

For Mitt to win the general election, he needs to think counter-intuitively. If the nomination is in the bag, don’t cater to the center. Cater even more to the base. Mitt needs to work to get the base excited… NOW. So we go into the R convention with excitement and $, and continue to victory.

The sun, and economy will rise. But Obama, master of destructive class warfare economics and pointless green boondoggles, can’t take credit for it. That would be like the rooster trying to take credit for the sunrise. And this race will be about much more than just the credit-downgraded economy. It’s about the soul of America.

anotherJoe on January 8, 2012 at 3:44 AM

Go back and read your posts on this thread… heck read them for the past week. There is a LOT of slams at that site from your posts, too many for my intuition to think this is not more personal than he doesn’t like Santorum… you know, it is entirely possible because he has actually researched Santorum and finds his positions lacking a true conservative he is exercising her prerogative to voice an opinion same as you exercise your opinion freely over and over here on Hot Air. Your obsession with RS is as bad as the one many have about FR… but UMHO if you don’t like some site then don’t read it. Form your own opinions and defend them — but do it based on accurate research and not just because you like someone’s Eddie Haskell good looks.

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 3:37 AM

I got a feeling you have a diary over there are Red State, cool guy.

You act like if I don’t acccept Erickson’s stupid assertion that Santorum is a “pro-life statist”, that means I don’t know jack about Santorum’s record. But the reality is I have looked at his record at more objective fair websites like Club for Growth. They don’t call him a statist. He’s not a perfect conservative Republican but he’s a statist, unless being pro-tax cut, pro-social security reform/privatization, and pro-welfare reform is how he defines statist.

THe reality is he is targetting Santorum because he knows Santorum and Perry are vying for the same votes and he’s been Perry’s SuperFan from day one. Perry announced at some little Red State even in Charleston SC. He’s their guy and thus they aren’t particularly objective about Perry’s heresies while holding up his opponents to purity tests and going as far as calling them statist.

I don’t care if he doesn’t suppoort Santy, but don’t be a hack about it.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:45 AM

Form your own opinions and defend them — but do it based on accurate research and not just because you like someone’s Eddie Haskell good looks.

Rapunzel on January 8, 2012 at 3:37 AM

Eddie Haskel? Not sure I see it. Wait – Are we talking about Rick Perry, or Erick Erickson? No disrespect to either, but I’m not sure I see the resemblance.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Dire Straits was here..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 3:24

Troop signed into the barracks. No further report.
:)

Sgt. Vulcha

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

For Mitt to win the general election, he needs to think counter-intuitively. If the nomination is in the bag, don’t cater to the center. Cater even more to the base. Mitt needs to work to get the base excited… NOW. So we go into the R convention with excitement and $, and continue to victory.

The sun, and economy will rise. But Obama, master of destructive class warfare economics and pointless green boondoggles, can’t take credit for it. That would be like the rooster trying to take credit for the sunrise. And this race will be about much more than just the credit-downgraded economy. It’s about the soul of America.

anotherJoe on January 8, 2012 at 3:44 AM

I thought Mitt sounded like an authentic conservative in the debate tonight. First time I have thought that. I couldn’t believe he would disagree with Roe Vs Wade and support an admendment to the Constitution stating marriage is b/t man and woman. I got to believe he lost some moderate support b/c the liberal Republicans HATE pro-lifers and anti-gay marriage so cons. Maybe they know he was just pandering to conservatives?

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:50 AM

I just saw that. And you’re right, it did make me go hmm. So I Googled to see if anyone else had looked into this.

National Review debunked this the very same day it appeared. But who knows, maybe they’re in on the conspiracy.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:18 AM

You obviously watched only the first part, and not the follow-on piece on the OCR/layer debunking. National Review may not be “in on it” as you snarkily suggest, but they show themselves to be establishment cowards by not even having an honest, thorough discussion on what constitutes a Natural Born Citizen as regards eligibility. It’s a serious constitutional question that deserves serious inquiry and discussion, but instead the usual knee-jerk response from many folks on this forum is unfortunately, as another long-time commenter here put it, “intellectually incurious vitriol”. Whatevs. I’ve read quite a bit on this subject, having had my interest sparked during the Trump-instigated Certifigate dustup last spring, and while I can’t tell you what the true story is surrounding the “Obama” birth/life narrative, I can say that any reasonable person looking at how much of his life has been scrubbed and or locked away would, after even a cursory review of the available information, have their bs meter pegged, and quickly. Notwithstanding the obfuscation and probable forgery of the online image that has been presented as a “Long Form Birth Certificate”, presuming that “Obama” is telling the truth about his origins, he is ineligible to hold the presidency due to the dual citizenship conferred upon him by the British nationality of his father, per Supreme Court Precedence in Minor vs Happersett:

“At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”

The first class of course, being Natural Born Citizens. The kind that cannot be any other kind but Natural Born. The Framers wanted only persons with no divided loyalties to hold the presidential levers of power. Pretty simple, really.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 8, 2012 at 3:51 AM

You know, maybe if you weren’t such an A$$, you would know that there is NO way twerp is like anninCA. Once upon a time, there was a closeness of the HA commenters…like a family. Townhall’s cross-over commenters have ruined that…and a$$wipes like you. You really think we give a fork what you think? What a pompous,impotent idiot you are…

lovingmyUSA on January 8, 2012 at 3:40 AM

I don’t have anything to add, just wanted to highlight this.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

Eddie Haskel? Not sure I see it. Wait – Are we talking about Rick Perry, or Erick Erickson? No disrespect to either, but I’m not sure I see the resemblance.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:46 AM

Maybe she means Santorum – he kinda has fairly regular pleasant features, like Eddie.
BTW Rapunzel, thanks for answering my question way back there.

LazyHips on January 8, 2012 at 3:53 AM

National Review’s problem is most of their stuff is conventional wisdom stuff. There’s not a whole lot of difference b/t National Review and Politico these days.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:54 AM

You know, maybe if you weren’t such an A$$, you would know that there is NO way twerp is like anninCA. Once upon a time, there was a closeness of the HA commenters…like a family. Townhall’s cross-over commenters have ruined that…and a$$wipes like you. You really think we give a fork what you think? What a pompous,impotent idiot you are…

lovingmyUSA on January 8, 2012 at 3:40 AM

I don’t have anything to add, just wanted to highlight this.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:52 AM

It’s kind of gay how the “old timers” are all uptight that new people can post on here now.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:57 AM

It’s kind of gay how the “old timers” are all uptight that new people can post on here now.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:57 AM

What are you, 12?

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:58 AM

If the economy rebounds Mitt will have nothing to run on. The Fed has insured Europe will not collapse until after the election.

Nexialist on January 8, 2012 at 3:59 AM

The juxtaposition of how Santorum & Mitt handled gay marriage is significant.

Santorum’s thoughtful account (at that college) turns out gets a lot of people riled. Mitt has the same position, but sounds reasonable. I’m not saying that I’m for that RINO yet. And if I were for him I’d stop calling him a rino.

anotherJoe on January 8, 2012 at 3:59 AM

What are you, 12?

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 3:58 AM

Oh, that’s right, you can’t say the word gay. Speech police.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:02 AM

RINO,

WHy don’t you just fax us a script and we’ll type it in here for you? You want control over people on the internet.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:02 AM

Oh, that’s right, you can’t say the word gay. Speech police.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:02 AM

Ah, another “Help! Someone criticized me! I’m being repressed”-liberal who thinks freedom of speech means freedom from criticism.

RINO,

WHy don’t you just fax us a script and we’ll type it in here for you? You want control over people on the internet.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:02 AM

Damn, you found out my master plan for world domination.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:05 AM

Ah, another “Help! Someone criticized me! I’m being repressed”-liberal who thinks freedom of speech means freedom from criticism

All you do is complain about what others are talking about,.

You are so rigid and dull. Why are you on a political comment board, it’s obviously your cup of tea b/c you don’t talk politics.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:12 AM

Rino,

I haven’t seen you say one thing about the debate. Is somebody preventing you from staying “on topic”?

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:14 AM

I mean, if you don’t take the bull by the horns, we may be talking about UFO sightings before it’s all over.

You are Internet Hero. Save this thread. Do it for America.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:16 AM

I mean, if you don’t take the bull by the horns, we may be talking about UFO sightings before it’s all over.

You are Internet Hero. Save this thread. Do it for America.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:16 AM

How exactly does one go about “saving” an Open Thread, anyway? ;)

Flotsam Jetsome on January 8, 2012 at 4:19 AM

How exactly does one go about “saving” an Open Thread, anyway? ;)

Flotsam Jetsome on January 8, 2012 at 4:19 AM

I dont’ know, this guy is worried that we will start talking Obama birth certificate. The election will pivot to Obama if we talk about it.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:21 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 8, 2012 at 3:47 AM

Sounds good to me..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:24 AM

All you do is complain about what others are talking about,.

You are so rigid and dull. Why are you on a political comment board, it’s obviously your cup of tea b/c you don’t talk politics.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:12 AM

What are you on about? Did I complain, even once, in this thread or any other, about what people are talking about?

Do you have some kind of persecution complex that makes you think people are complaining about you?

Rino,

I haven’t seen you say one thing about the debate.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:14 AM

It’s not my fault if you can’t read.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:26 AM

+ 2000 comments is very cool..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

I used to be a republican presidential candidate, then I took a George Stephanopoulos debate question to the knee.

Machismo on January 8, 2012 at 4:28 AM

I dont’ know, this guy is worried that we will start talking Obama birth certificate. The election will pivot to Obama if we talk about it.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 4:21 AM

Where in God’s name did you get this idea? Sure, the birth certificate idea is batsh*t crazy, but when did I ever say we shouldn’t talk about it? And who said anything about the election pivoting?

Does anything you write have any correlation to anything that actually exists or happens anywhere ever?

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:29 AM

2000 comments is very cool..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

Way cool.

Flotsam Jetsome on January 8, 2012 at 4:30 AM

It’s kind of gay how the “old timers” are all uptight that new people can post on here now.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 3:57 AM

Great, I suppose you are going to go on your sodomy rants again…

lovingmyUSA on January 8, 2012 at 4:34 AM

+ 2000 comments is very cool..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

I don’t know, it feels like we’ve had a few of these lately. Maybe I’m imagining it. Somehow the novelty has worn off a bit.

I want to see another 5000 comment thread. I think we had one back during the Obamacare debate. Or maybe it was Scott Brown’s election.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:35 AM

+ 2000 comments is very cool..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

AllahP will be pleased.
*drops a deep curtsy facing East*

LazyHips on January 8, 2012 at 4:36 AM

+ 2000 comments is very cool..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

I have no time to read them any more. How’re you doing ?

gh on January 8, 2012 at 4:40 AM

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:35 AM

..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:40 AM

gh on January 8, 2012 at 4:40 AM

It is all good..:)

PS..Good to see you..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:42 AM

+ 2000 comments is very cool..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:27 AM

It is, my good man. Which is why I checked you into the barracks for well-deserved bed rest. A calming presence is rare on Hot Air. Be Well. :)

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 8, 2012 at 4:43 AM

LazyHips on January 8, 2012 at 4:36 AM

I agree that Allah will be pleased..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:44 AM

..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:40 AM

I made someone smile!

My penance, for upsetting the good doctor.

Now my work here is finished.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:45 AM

Ladysmith CulchaVulcha on January 8, 2012 at 4:43 AM

Be well my friend also..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:46 AM

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:45 AM

..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:47 AM

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:42 AM

I bought Tommy Emmanuel’s christmas CD and my daughter’s boy friend bought me the CD he released before that one (little by little) so I no longer need to surf youtube all the time ;-) … I just need to order his older ones on-line as they are not found in retail stores (outside australia :-) much.

gh on January 8, 2012 at 4:52 AM

..:)

Dire Straits on January 8, 2012 at 4:47 AM

Bonus Karma points! Now I can be mean to someone else later.

And on that note, I will quite while I’m ahead. Unless I compulsively decide that I need the last word on something.

Goodnight, everyone. Maybe.

RINO in Name Only on January 8, 2012 at 4:54 AM

“Rick Perry wants to establish a strategic presence in Iraq like we have in hot spots around the world. That’s not an invasion, that’s common sense.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/01/perry-reinvade-iraq-110024.html

We did so in Europe, South Korea, Japan, etc..

Ex: Do you really think South Korea would still be free today if we would not have stayed around awhile ?

tonotisto on January 8, 2012 at 4:56 AM

For Mitt to win the general election, he needs to think counter-intuitively. If the nomination is in the bag, don’t cater to the center. Cater even more to the base. Mitt needs to work to get the base excited… NOW. So we go into the R convention with excitement and $, and continue to victory.

anotherJoe on January 8, 2012 at 3:44 AM

You mean … lie more to the base?

Yah. Sounds like a poor plan.

I say, Romney should pander more to the left! Steal half of Obama’s votes! Anyway, that’s the reason why many of the “so-called” conservative pundits say that he’s so electable.

Never mind the right. They are zombies. They will always vote “R” just for the fun of it.

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 5:33 AM

You mean … lie more to the base?

…I say, Romney should pander more to the left! Steal half of Obama’s votes! Anyway, that’s the reason why many of the “so-called” conservative pundits say that he’s so electable.

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 5:33 AM

You’re the liar, Al.
Either that or you haven’t heard a word Mitt’s said.
Everything about Mitt’s campaign has said CONSERVATISM. Because he is conservative.
Perfectly? No. But no one in the race is even close to perfect.

BTW, has anyone ever won all 50 states in a presidential primary season with no incumbent (as Romney will)?

itsnotaboutme on January 8, 2012 at 6:27 AM

For me, the best part of the debate was reading the tweets in the #dianesawyerquestions thread.

Flora Duh on January 8, 2012 at 6:33 AM

You mean … lie more to the base?

…I say, Romney should pander more to the left! Steal half of Obama’s votes! Anyway, that’s the reason why many of the “so-called” conservative pundits say that he’s so electable.

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 5:33 AM

You’re the liar, Al.
Either that or you haven’t heard a word Mitt’s said.
Everything about Mitt’s campaign has said CONSERVATISM. Because he is conservative.
Perfectly? No. But no one in the race is even close to perfect.

BTW, has anyone ever won all 50 states in a presidential primary season with no incumbent (as Romney will)?

itsnotaboutme on January 8, 2012 at 6:27 AM

Hey! Tell that to your Candidate!

He’s practicing his conservative lips because he wants the Conservative votes. Even his answer to Dianne Sawyer on the issue of the American Soul is plagiaristic. He’s echoing Palin’s Bus Tour in September and October.

So your radar of Flip-flopping Mittens only covers what Mitt has been saying during the primary campaign season? Bwahahaha! And you have a guts to call someone lying? Give me a break.

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 6:43 AM

BTW, has anyone ever won all 50 states in a presidential primary season with no incumbent (as Romney will)?

itsnotaboutme on January 8, 2012 at 6:27 AM

Reagan and Roosevelt could have done it.

With Romney, who knows? Probably Obama can do it this time, with all his Alinsky tricks!

Enjoy the 1-year drama fully directed by Obowma!

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 6:47 AM

Mitt set himself apart last night by providing the pieces that many thought was lacking in his campaign. He was inspirational! He was passionate.

His staunch defense of capitalism hit just the right notes. It is what this election is and should be about. The attacks on him from the left and the Newt on his Bain Capital days are just the ground we should want to fight! Capitalism and not statism is the heart of this nation. Freedom cannot exist without a free economy and Mitt said it beautifully.

MJBrutus on January 8, 2012 at 6:55 AM

Gingrich showed he is the only one of the bunch who can REFOCUS the discussion to the relevant. The rest were all complacently happy to follow the *awful* moderators into leftist Drivel-land.
Gingrich has the strength and wisdom to wipe any opponent clean out.

Czar of Defenestration on January 8, 2012 at 6:57 AM

“I say, Romney should pander more to the left! Steal half of Obama’s votes! Anyway, that’s the reason why many of the “so-called” conservative pundits say that he’s so electable.
Never mind the right. They are zombies. They will always vote “R” just for the fun of it.”

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 5:33 AM

Yeah, like that worked out *so* well for McCain…all that “reach across the aisle” cr*p and selling himself as “not-quite-Democrat.”

Idiotic.

Czar of Defenestration on January 8, 2012 at 6:59 AM

Last. ;-)

Hey, remember when common sense and a brush with the truth was in vogue in politics? Me neither.

mickytx on January 8, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Hey, remember when common sense and a brush with the truth was in vogue in politics? Me neither.

mickytx on January 8, 2012 at 7:06 AM

Money, Money, Money … that’s the theme of honor, decency, intellect and electability nowadays … even in conservative blogosphere!

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 7:21 AM

*were
collectively, I suppose.
Pffft.

mickytx on January 8, 2012 at 7:44 AM

Santorum seems angry?
It seems like his critics are the angry ones.
Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Your testy today Dr Tesla:) I also said Santorum seems edgy, take things way to serous, and angry these are the perfect combination of a commander and chief with the nuke button.

I don’t understand why is everyone taking Santorum as a serous presidential contender? He is on the verge of not being on the ballot in 4 more states! He will not be the nominee. A complete waste. Sorry:(

Capitalist75 on January 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM

Yeah, like that worked out *so* well for McCain…all that “reach across the aisle” cr*p and selling himself as “not-quite-Democrat.”

Idiotic.

Czar of Defenestration on January 8, 2012 at 6:59 AM

Well, that’s the only way for Romney to win the general election! That’s the premise of his electability.

If you consider the opposite strategy, half of the conservatives will further shy away from Romney if he continues his empty words and lies just to pander for their votes.

Good luck, GOP!

TheAlamos on January 8, 2012 at 8:14 AM

Something I always suspected about the Ron Paiul movement. Astroturf at best. Especially the claims that he has wild support in the military.

hawkdriver on January 8, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Something I always suspected about the Ron Paiul movement. Astroturf at best. Especially the claims that he has wild support in the military.

hawkdriver on January 8, 2012 at 8:18 AM

Yeah. Once again, I think I’ll reserve my concern for what my fellow Republicans and Americans think of Dr. paul.

But nice job using a foreign publication. Perhpas next time you’d like to use al-Jazeera.

JohnGalt23 on January 8, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Mitt set himself apart last night by providing the pieces that many thought was lacking in his campaign. He was inspirational! He was passionate.
His staunch defense of capitalism hit just the right notes. It is what this election is and should be about. The attacks on him from the left and the Newt on his Bain Capital days are just the ground we should want to fight! Capitalism and not statism is the heart of this nation. Freedom cannot exist without a free economy and Mitt said it beautifully.
MJBrutus on January 8, 2012 at 6:55 AM

I agree with the way he describes capitalism but I DON’T TRUST HIM. I was apart of the GOP party in Gwinnett county GA and there is not a business owner in the party that do not get gov contracts. I was offer one to help bring in conservatives on taking over private trash companies business i could not live with myself at even the thought of being bought so I left. It’s all setup! The politicians brings their family, staff and their lobbist to out vote you on the resolution votes that define the party in gwinnet county. The party let the politicians do whatever with no retribution. The county commission ended up kicking all the garbage companies out losing hundreds of jobs. They got their garbage companies to take over. They added the cost to everyone’s property taxes and even raise the property tax. This is john lenders old district and it’s corrupt.

Mitt Romney is not immune to this. He owns a company. What legislation did he pass while governor that benefit his company. Isn’t romnycare a disaster in mass. and hospitals and practitioners went out of buisness because of it. Curious if Bain capital took over those fail businesses that failed because of Romneycare.

Capitalist75 on January 8, 2012 at 8:41 AM

Mitt Romney is not immune to this. He owns a company. What legislation did he pass while governor that benefit his company. Isn’t romnycare a disaster in mass. and hospitals and practitioners went out of buisness because of it. Curious if Bain capital took over those fail businesses that failed because of Romneycare.

Capitalist75 on January 8, 2012 at 8:43 AM

Even more curious to know if Bain Capital got any bailout money?

Capitalist75 on January 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM

Even more curious to know if Bain Capital got any bailout money?

Capitalist75 on January 8, 2012 at 8:45 AM

You guys should google this! Bain Capital got alot of bailout money!

Capitalist75 on January 8, 2012 at 8:51 AM

I think a lot of non-believers cling to the evolution theory because they are afraid of the idea of a god. It is kind of scary in a way.

Dr. Tesla on January 8, 2012 at 2:35 AM

I think the confusion starts when people don’t realize that evolution and creation are two separate topics. One has little to do with the other.
( I know this is waaay back in the thread, but I’m just reading thru what was posted overnight.)

Mimzey on January 8, 2012 at 9:56 AM

Perry is the best looking of the candidates<-Fact. I dare someone to counter that.
BoxHead1 on January 8, 2012 at 12:24 AM

Fact: Mitt Romney is better looking and has better hair.
El_Terrible on January 8, 2012 at 12:26 AM

Just my opinion here: Mitt is too plastic to be considered better looking. I’d say Perry. Like I tell my kids, you have to learn the difference between fact and opinion. All that said, I don’t think looks are much of a factor, except to teeny-bopper voters who gave us Obama.

TXMomof3 on January 8, 2012 at 10:10 AM

“A story of greed. Playing the system for a quick buck. A group of corporate raiders, led by Mitt Romney. More ruthless than Wall Street.”

Good luck securing the OWS vote, Newt, you fu**ing nitwit.

Jaibones on January 8, 2012 at 11:29 AM

But nice job using a foreign publication. Perhpas next time you’d like to use al-Jazeera.

JohnGalt23

Deflection. It’s all a poor little paulbot has.

“J.J. Jackson is a libertarian conservative author from Pittsburgh, PA who has been writing and promoting individual liberty since 1993 and is President of Land of the Free Studios, Inc. He is the lead editor contributor to American Conservative Daily.”

xblade on January 8, 2012 at 11:47 AM

I want Paw Paw Perry (:

PS: Sorry about the typo (:
PSS: I still want Paw Paw Perry (:

Frobenius on January 8, 2012 at 12:25 PM

Damn, ABC moderators were embarrassing in this debate. So much time wasted on non issues and gotcha questions. Turning to a candidate without asking a question (several times). Their bias and incompetence appeared in spades.

I think Romney did well with the contraception gotcha (which George Stephanopolopolopolos tried over and over several times). Gingrich called out media bias a couple times, which is the one thing I like about him.

netster007x on January 8, 2012 at 3:09 PM

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